Piscesdreamer,

Sure thing. I'll send my e-mail address as soon as I know where to send it. Do I give it to one of the Moderators and let them pass it on?

We haven't seen Madonna yet, but I went into town and got her a glowing dog collar and a tag with her name and my phone number on it. I'm going to tag that beast at the very least. That way if her absence is because of another family I don't know about offering her shelter for the pups, they will have my phone number. Still, I kind of doubt it. I think she wanted those puppies off where nobody could find them.

Well, I've got to go. Rocky and Ginger are freaking out over the cat. She got a new bell today. Clever Huh?

Love and Laughter,
borderCAT

Hi Dave
I hope you are well and the conference is going well for you.

Dave I have to ask you what do you mean by "major" abuse. As you know...I'm a virgo (hence a worrier!!) plus I have venus retro in my natal chart. I feel from that "major" comment that I must have done something terrible in a past life - which in this life would be sooo against my nature.
Dave it's really bothering me...what do you mean by major as I really must correct that now.
Thanks for your help and understanding
Sue

ok Dave,gotchya Thats an interesting concept,thanks.

Sue,If you feel this strong about it in this life,you have already conquered something! Dont fret over it~!! Your soul was possibly so damn embarrassed you made a point of dealing with it in some form or another.
One needs to know because of how we "act" or even think now,doesnt mean we were like that in a past life. Maybe whatever damage you "did" is some future retribution coming up. Now you are *aware*.You may be here to deal with other things at this time...in this life.
There is a lot that can be discussed/debated about this and Im sure we all have our own ideas.
Dave can let us know his opinion of the term "major" abuse when he gets back.
One other thing,...now that you are learning more about this sort of thing, and are aware,you may find yourself in a lot more situations where karma needs dealt with(in other areas) The decisions you make,ie:right vs. wrong will possibly create instant karma for you. At least,this is what I have found.
The concept is easy to understand..dont ever purposely hurt or abuse anyone or anything. Simple huh!

Rainbow,

I will get back to you either on Sunday or when I get back home on Monday evening - do I have the data for your children and ex (I am using the hotel's computer and don't have my astrological program on it for obvious reasons). If not, can you post the data so that I can look at the charts (each case is different).

Hi Aries
Thanks for your reply.
It's funny you should say that maybe I have already learned something...hmmm maybe I have. Everyone tells me I'm way to soft + I would be devasted if I thought I ever would upset someone. People always tell me I've got to toughen up but it's just not in my nature......hmm maybe I was too tough in a past life which is why I'm at the other end of the scale now. But I wouldn't want to change the way I am now. My ex says that I'm far to giving and people take advantage of my good nature (haha he probably took advantage more than most ) but you know most people I meet are good people and friends and it's really the minority who take advantage.

Well nice to talk to you.
Chat soon
Love
Sue

Dear Sue, Dave, and Aries,
Isn't it possible that Sue could have been the one who was wronged or abused in a past life instead of being the abuser?
Love, Piscesdreamer

hi PD I would never venture to even guess about anothers past life,other than to "suggest" things that could have happened,but since no one is *perfect* but the father above,Ide certainly say we have ALL abused someone in the past. Hence I have doubts as to some astrologers theories of this venus retrograde.I find them interesting, but consider it only theories. I just think theres more to astrology than many of us know.

Aries and Cat,

I just got back to my sisters and will get back to you - there was one person at the conference who has Venus Rx - and she realizes that it did stem from a prior lifetime when she was a man, and has the sense that she then was a military man who really did some bad things...

Love

Dave

Hi Picesdreamer
Thanks for your reply. Hope it wasn't me (that's my virgo beating myself up syndrome!!) but I must admit I'm now feeling responsible for something though not sure what and

Hi Dave
Thanks for your reply and look forward to you wisdom re this.

Had a lovely afternoon today with Tanya and Tinks...you were missed...but you'll be joining us soon.
Hope the conference went well.
Chat soon
Love
Sue

Dave,doesnt your sis have a chat thingy?..tell her to "get with the programme"!!

"American Astrologer" (May issue magazine) has a small excerpt about venus retro:

March 8-April 19..appearance and social life are affected. You'll review things and people more objectively and less impulsively. A change in circumstances may make a previous partner more appealing.

Those BORN with a venus retro:
..."may turn their social and romantic sides inward in youth,becoming more expressive and sexual later in life."

Dave -
An aquaintence of mine is expecting a baby towrads the end of April. She is starting to expereince difficulties with her pregancy. From the perpespective of the baby, could some of these problems be part of the Venus retro working itself out? It will very likely be after Venus goes direct that she delivers (unles the problems get worse and they have to do an early c-section, hmmmm....)
Just wondering?
Love,
Terri

Dear Sue, Aries, and Terri,

I have some time to address your concerns and Terri, what I am about to write will address your question as well.

I cannot per se define what "major" abuse is - but what I can say is that in a prior life (or lives) people can do things in their life that indicates that the principle of Love has to be relearned.

Yes, it can happen during the pregnancy as well (and when one looks at it, about half of us have the retrograde during that time) - and in this case, it is a matter of the soul working it out during that time period. Now, the earlier in the pregnancy the odds are better that it can be worked out on that level, and is not as much a concern, for the soul has dealt with it.

Now, if Venus is retrograde (and the same principles apply for Mars as well) at the birth, the "abuse" has been big enough that it appears in the chart of the personality level as well (and this is why I look at the length of time Venus is retrograde) - and has to be dealt with on a conscious level rather than the soul level. Obviously, someone born near the end of the Rx has less of a problem than one born at the beginning of it.

Now, the other factor that comes into play is where the person is on the Path, and as of yet, there is no way to discern that from a chart. With someone on the Path of Discipleship, the problem is a lot worse than that of a person on the Ordinary Wheel (which is where most of humanity is), simply because the person on the Path of Discipleship should, for one, know better, and not create any real karma in that sense. We at the conference did about 30 charts (a real excerise!) and only one person had the Venus Rx - which she acknowledges has had an impact in this life, and she has the feeling (and I agree) that she was a man in her last incarnation who really did something pretty "horrible", and one of the things she has had to cope with in this lifetime is connecting to the feminine energy. Her Venus is direct by progression and will soon be past her natal Venus, which will give her the opportunity to learn new things about Love rather than relive and review them.

I hope this helps!

Love

Dave

Aries,

No my sister does not have any chat programmes, and she has a very ancient computer which is very slow, and not much disk space.... She is considering getting a new one...

Love

Dave

Hi Dave
Thank-you soo much for that. It's fascinating!! I think I've got some questions but on my way out now and just wanted you know your reply is appreciated.
Chat again later
Sue

hmmm..interesting. I do think you have something there with the progression theory.Possibly moreso than we really know at this time.
Dave, how would you "interpret" someones progressed Venus just gone past their natal Sun??????(as in my case) If its something I wouldnt want the whole world to know about,can you please email it or somethin' thanks..I feel its something positive but just dont know what...

Aries,

I'll have to look at your chart when I get home (no software and its getting late here). I can tell you that when Venus (and the Moon) by progression conjuncted my Sun Mars Becky and I met...

Love

Dave

hmm,yea,I plead the 5th on that one Dave but what I was wondering,is from an "esoterical" view,if that progression meant anything "special"..thanks.

Aries,

I just took my bath (which is a good time for me to meditate!), and there were some questions that arose while I was enjoying being in the water.

And at this point, they are questions which I do not have the "answers" to - when one develops a "new" theory, one does not necessarily have all the answers to them right away. And I will have to ponder on them.

They are:

1. What does it mean to have Venus ahead or behind the Sun at birth?

2. Then via progression, what does it mean should Venus conjuct planets - obviously where it is and the state of progressions in the chart as well the transits...

3. Oh yes, there is another "group" of people for whom I had not thought of - the people whose Venus goes retrograde via progression while they are alive, and it can happen from right after birth until they are 42...

These are things I have no quick answers to, and I will ponder on them. Geez, sounds like another book (which at this point I don't have the time to write...)

In Light and Live

Dave

Aries,

oops - I just remembered something else. The Tibetan very cleary states that Venus is the polar opposite of the Earth, and I have long maintained that when esoterically looking at the chart, one has to look at the position opposite Venus rather than the Sun as being the position of the Earth. And in particular, attention should really be paid attention to this if Venus is not in the same sign as the Sun, which happens quite a bit. Now, with my chart, it is especially significant, since my Sun is opposite Sirius, and Venus is opposite Alcyone, which are the two of the major stars which vibrate to our system...

In Light and Love

Dave

good grief Dave,dont you ever just lay in the bath and *not think*???
..you're getting way over my head now!!
As far as a venus going retro via progressions,I wonder if that is shown at astro.com? I will go experiment. I take it Sirius and Alcyone are shown as asteroids at that chart site? I dont remember,but will check it out also.
SO whats this about whats opposite Venus,??..as in my chart that would be the MC...Im assuming you meant natal Venus,not progressed?
I think Im going to have to reread your posts!!!thanks.
Maybe you should go to bed,you think too much

Ok - well now this is geting REALLY interesting!
I looked through my ephemeris and found that Venus was Rx during the second month of my mother's pregnancy. The interesting thing is that my mother was very young and belonged to a relgious family and "shouldn't" have been preganant at all. The second month is usually when a woman finds out that she is expecting and when it is unplanned is the time when abortion or adoption become options. Gosh, for the first time in my life I am wishing I could talk to her about what it was like...So Dave, in your theory that means I had some abuse from a former life that I was working out at a soul level? So how does that work? Would that be an influence with me throughout my life? A good friend of mine was once regressed and after her regresson told me that a few lifetimes ago we were Buddhist monks (and both men) and that she was a student of mine and though I taught her alot I also was more then a little "heavy-handed" - which was normal for the time, but was still bad karma between us. Which makes me think about what you wrote about people on the Path paying more heavily for karma of this nature. Which makes sense too - I wouldn't punish a child who was testing the limits of his mother's patience past endurance - I would try and show them the value of respect instead - but by the time that kid is a young adult those lessons are expected to be learned, and so the consequences of ignoring them become much stronger...
Oh now here's an interesting coincidence - in the case of my sister Venus was also Rx at roughly the same point in her mother's pregnancy, and it was basically the same situation.
And finally (well for tonight anyway) in the case of my boy Venus wasn't Rx at all during the pregnancy (though Mars was a week after conception!), but it appears that Venus went RX 31 days after he was born. So his progressed chart will have a retro Venus in it when he is an adult. So you have thirty years to write your book! More than enough time
Good Night!
Love,
Terri

Aries,

Hey, what ever works! I will get back to you but it would be both the natal and progressed planets that the progressed Venus aspecting... Sirius and Alcyone are two stars which have very intimate connections to the Earth and this solar system...

Terri,

As usual, you keep on doing a great job! I will get back on details... I hope it doesn't take 30 years to write, but hey, the seed thought just came...

Love

Dave

Hello Everyone
This is sooooooo interesting...even though it's now way above my head and I don't understand it

Hey Dave
Hurry up and write that book....I have a title idea for it (well.... aimed at me realy...lol)
"The Idiots Guide to Venus Retrograde"

I've now got so many questions I don't even know what the questions are
Well as Arnold once said...I'll be back
Have a great day
Love
Sue

Sorry not to be cheery, but I was just wondering whether a bout of depression lasting from 13th March to 18th, which also put a great deal of pressure on my relationship had anything to do with Venus rex. My natal venus is rex too (DOB: 5/25/80 at 11:35pm, Bristol, England). I also had a bad experience (being terrorised by the police on the way to a peaceful animal rights demonstration) with some others on the 20th March (and when I get some compensation through I can log on to this site as often as I want with my own computer instead of once in a blue moon!!!).

LOve and Peas

P.S. I've decided I want to be an astrologer; it is the most fascinating subject to me; I am compellingly drawn to all mystery. I've been reflecting on my 8th house for a while now (containing Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in Virgo), and now I'm wondering whether, apart from signifying an interest in the occult and psychology, it may also explain (with Saturn square Neptune) why I suffer from depression, social anxiety/paranoia with a tendency towards suicidol thoughts?