Dave, I have a question -
I moved 2 years ago from Bulgaria, Europe to Atlanta, GA. For my furthur readings do I have to refer to my natal chart or to my relocation chart. The planetary aspects are the same but my acsedent is different and the planets are in different location in my relocation chart. By the way, I found myself quite different since I moved here in US - more aggressive and courageous. I am wondering about the ascedent- which one do I have to consider - my natal or my relocated?
DOB- August 24, 1970 at 7:10 PM in Sofia, Bulgaria

Biss,

I will get back to you.

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Thanks

Dave

ok, but please don`t forget me

Waiting for Dave with excited curiosity and abated breath!

Hi biss,

I was drawn to your thread/post. Don't ask it's too much to write.

Our circle with X (our past) is from the same area on the composite.
You Saturn is near my MC and NN
My Saturn is near your Sun.

You moved during your Saturn return and now say you are more aggressive (let's change that to assertive.), yet I would have thoht you were already assertive (ops, maybe it is aggression).
I am getting a flavor for my growth as to be more assertive in group or social circles that hethertobefore (love that word) went against my grain

(Grain being morals, believes, values - a slacking off prudishness or self-righteousness as it were, don't know how to say that correctly, to enjoy life but at the same time be involved as a team member with tact and acceptance if things I feel to be dead wrong. hehe Because those things are here and not going away.).

Your lessons in Taurus seem to be towards the same but more for self and the lessons are near your MC.
I am thinking I may succeed in my lesions (haven't made up my mind) but your mission is marked by travel (in the form of moves) to find your past (as if you are to go back and redo something).

Whew! Long question, aye. I would like to know how / what you do (as your Sun) that lets you accept social conditions without compromising your believes and morals and values?

As for you I feel that if you are searching for a past connection (and it is not real like finding your birth mom or a lost dog but comes from a longing for home and security.) that these could be in past lives or the way you were raised in this life, so to gain some of that AT Home feeling you could set up a small home by being very small scale and slowly make friends and get close to their families. (I have a plan for you but it's too much to write.)

So, there are my thohts, how far out in the sky am I.

Home and Belonging,
Darwin

P.S. Dave, if you have any comments please add thems.

Darwin,

I was literally about to respond - I just finished my dinner.

Biss, it is a combination of both charts. Your natal chart will always be important, and note your response "don't forget about me" - very Piscean. Your relocated chart has Scorpio rising, and that would not have been stated by someone with that! (it's better not said!).

You became a much more public person,as now everything is above the horizon but Neptune. You are more outgoing as well.

The point is that both have to be considered, especially since you moved a very long distance - in a lot of the cases it really doesn't matter that much. The natal has to be considered simply because it is the energy that you were born with, and the relocated because of the distance and there is a shift of energy - fortunately both risings are water signs and thus somewhat compatible.

If you would like, I can post your solar map and perhaps it can be seen why you are where you are now.

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Thanks

Dave

OH YESSSSSSS!!!!

Why so happy you ask? Because just today I was thinking about my Sun/Pluto?Mars conjunction in Libra in the 12th. I was trying to decide which would be better - to have it in a different sign, or a different house. I decided that I am happy with the Libra part, but would prefer the conjunction in the 10th house. Then I read this thread, and tried doing a relocated chart for myself, from Edmonton where I was born to Toronto where I have lived and will soon live again. And volia! Sun/Pluto/Mars and Venus in the 10th! Moon/Jupiter in the 3rd, which is sweet too.
Actually this whole relcation thing is interesting - my Langley chart is not hugley different from my Edmonton one, except for the fact that in Langley I have Libra rising! Explains why I've been such a good salesperson here - especially when I was selling make-up!
I think astrology really does work!
Love,
Terri

...opps...

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and sometimes I think it doesnt *T*,HAHA

David, Darwin,
I was enjoying very much reading your responses.
about that "don`t forget me" ha ha..well, I didn`t mean that I was afraid you are going to forget me, actually - I have been always a "little" too pushy and anxious,a little more self-confident then normal ,a little too assetive/ Darwin- your word / so my statment meant - hurry up, Dave, I am dying to read your answer.
About your answers - it was really very interesting to read both of them, although I still don`t know which chart - natal ot relocation - I have to refer to especially when I do synastry chart - I mean - when considering the planets in partner houses.I will be really gratefull, Dave, if you make for me that solar map/ don`t know what does that mean / which will enlighten me up.

About the Darwin`s answer -
dear Darwin , I really don`t know if my destiny is to connect with my past unfinished ideas, what I know since I moved here,is that I feel a masive push , transformation, I feel rebelious and more agressive,oops, I meant - assertive with undying faith in myself and as we say in Bulgaria - like an untied dog...hah !
Looking forward for your comments!
Regards,
Biss

Terri,

Your self analyses continue to amaze me!

Biss,

For basic synastry work, the natal chart is the most important. Remember that maps the energy when you were born and that remains with you for the rest of your life, no matter where you go.

When I say I will get back to you, it means one of two things generally - either I have to think about it (or am swamped), or two, I am doing the normal human things like eating, being with my girl friend, that type of thing. I do on occasion slip up and forget someone, but it is not that often.

No, your statement was Piscean.

OK, if you will look at the thread about Karmic whatever that is near the top, there is some information about the solar map that I am going to put in below. It is also covered in other threads as well.

I am doing this part of it from memory as my computer got sick when I uploaded the map, and had to reboot.

Where you moved to is a very karmic place as the North Node IC line is very near Atlanta, and you will learn a lot about that being there. Some of the other Knowflakes have the luxury of having some time to analyze the maps, and they are welcome to put in their "two" cents worth (hey, I am only putting in a penny!).

Thanks

Dave

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Thanks Dave, after I posted I went to dinner.

Hi T and A2, - how did you find this tread? Yellow Ace has the muddy bottom of the site stirred up.
I was having Deja January.

Holo Biss,

I don't know what to comment on? So you are aggressive? That could affect a home life.

Ok, I'm thinking........that's how computers think.............they make dots.......hey, dot.com .......

You have gone though your Saturn return. What were your key areas of change?
Humm ... ok, I'm going to go with my original question again, please.
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I would like to know how / what you do (as your Sun) that lets you accept social conditions without compromising your believes and morals and values?
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Other than that, why Atlanta, GA? Did you use the chart first, have a feel for the place?

Curious,
Darwin

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Darwin,
what is your Sun ,Moon amd Acs?
just curious

by the way, Darwin, I came here in Atlanta accidentally, some friends live here.
To your question from before- my believes and morals are not quite different then the moral values of the americans....I didn`t have to compromise anything in order to get in track here...
Biss

Hi Biss,

My Sun is 29 Cap, Moon 10 Libra, Asc 13 Leo

Thanks for responding. Howerever, I didn't mean that you would compromise your values but what do you do(when acting as your Sun) that allows you not to compromise values but still (accept, intermingle, network with, be friends with, etc) those whom have very drastic different values with out putting up boundaries that would end or limit the relationship to a point that it would fade out. Whew!

The reason I'm asking is I sence that you do this quite well and I need to know this method.

thank you,
Darwin

hmmm, Darwin... Cap and Libra - just my favorit flavor..by the way, where do you live?
about your question, I am sorry I didn`t understand you before and probably it could turn out that I still don`t understand it...but if I understood it right I tell you, with my poor poor english , that the people with different ideas, values ect. are very interesting to me so I can experience different then mine point of view which I enjoy a lot.
I always try and manage very well to dissolve myself for awhile into the other`s shoes ,look at the matter of question throu their eyes and then come back again to my own. From the beggining it is fairly clear - I understand you my dear, I can feel what you feel just don`t try to convince me to be like you.

eww...it took me longer to write that then I anticipated...I have to take a cup of coffee now...
fresh and smiled,
Biss

and Darwin, I have to be honest - being under their skin is easy for me to manipulate them after all..LOL...what can I expect with my Mecury/ Pluto conjunction of 0 degree....
Biss

Fallwater = Biss
Fallwater was my previous nick before I changed it to Biss

Hi Biss,

Hehe .. Well add Libra Neptune in there... Zap.

Yes, you got it right and the answer was very validating. Thank you.
Hmmm ... my Mercury is op my Pluto, so there yea go. You could never be like me. Besides, I like you just the way you are.
However that 8th house Venus post was a bit scary! Control yourself girl, control yourself!

What was wrong with Fallwater? That would be Libra Venus and Pisces ACS?

Ok, I give. What does Biss mean?

Thanks,
TTYL,
Darwin