What is going on over there regarding international laws?

The issues regarding the POW status of prisoners held in cuba has been contentious since pre day one, and this still remains an area of grave concern.

This is now being compounded with the USA placing a levvey placed on European steel. Yes I know the ecconomy over there is precarious but wow, this is SO against world trade laws. I'm not sure how covered this is on your guys news.

The implcations of this act is to undermine the current alliance, not too sure how much more of a battering the current ties can take. What is happening, has the USA given up on the world?

Lov n hugs

Lis

Maria

oh yes life is speeding up certainly..thank goodness...maybe jupiter going direct has kicked in !!!

Oh there is a new report about 5 British catives in camp x-ray who have been found to have no evidence of their involvment in terrorist activities...I'm wondering if that is because they are British or because they are innocent?

(It does raise a massive shadow of doubt over the ligitimacy of captives being held there, yes I would think that there are goig to be people who are guilty held as well, but they should have POW status.)

Enough already....you're up late my dear, how is the wee one, feeing better these days I hope.

Lov n hugs

Lis

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemId=12933

By the year 2005,(this is their "goal" year),it is expected that the Free Trade agreeement will have grown into what is the Free Trade of the Americas,with 30 some countries joining.For WHATEVER reason,originally, Cuba was the only country this side of the world that wasnt going to join. This may change now..which is what is truly intrigueing me.(this whole Cuba issue) Talk about something with fate going on here!

This is exactly why protests abound with the WTO issue,the summit of the Americas etc. In June of this year,world leaders will meet in Alberta,in a remote are of the mountains.(Kananaskis Lakes)..should be errr,interesting.
This is why trade unions,etc are up in arms..people with the knowledge of whats truly going on,are trying to fight this..but it will be virtually impossible.
Then..enter..the European nation..all the top leaders,organizations,and major money power houses of the world(world banking system)..and what do we have...globalization..
The New World Order.
The New world disorder..kiss your @ss goodbye.

I think David Icke goes indepth in this on his site..but one can easily search out "Free Trade of the Americas"..or FTAA.

Thanks for this, the steel issue is been reported as a possitive thing!!! Holey S#'t....it's liable to totally break down into a bun fight with a stack of tit for tat actions being taken, culminating in the errotion of world trade legisation and ultimately the frabric of law and trade as we know it.

Scary old times we live in lassies!!!

Lov n hugs

Lis

In another forum I belong to,we are discussing how much "power" this whole so-called Illuminati/the forces of all that is dark and evil may truly play into everything..and if so, lets just say we are really "screwed".

May God help us now.
Some here will NOT like this link..
http://hardtruth.topcities.com/destruction_of_the_trade_centers.htm

Chips Get Under the Skin
Informationweek magazine
March 4, 2002 edition

Humans walking around with computer chips under their skin. Chips containing data that could confirm their identities and tell medical personnel about them when they can’t. The stuff of Hollywood? Not at all. Applied Digital Solutions in Palm Beach, Fla., has asked the FDA for permission to start testing the chips as early as next month. The rice-size chips are placed just beneath the skin and transmit data to a scanning device.

The only person with an implanted chip to date is an ADS staffer who’s had it for several months with no ill effects, says chief technology officer Keith Bolton. ADS wants to implant the chips in 50 people in a pilot program. The first would be 14-year-old tech whiz Derek Jacobs of Coral Springs, Fla., and his family. Jacobs became a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer when he was 12.

--Rick Whiting

This so called "V" chip was discussed on "Politically Incorrect" last week,and if I recall,M.Moore was on that same show.(Friday night I believe it was)

The debate was right on the nose,with the host arguing a chip implanted voluntarily would be ok,while another one of the panel fiercly suggested this was only the "beginning" of things to come,and the fear being the result seeing us with a total lack of freedoms/privacy,and pretty much being under total mind control...which obviously isnt too far off now once we put everything happening in the world into perspective,and unison.
The Mark of the Beast,predicted,as well as the countries Bush just announced,who in the end will fight against Israel,the USA,Britain,and a few others.

All as prophesized by the Hebrew prophets,Nostradamus(of Kabbalist knowledge) and others.

are you referring to the January 8 report that authorizes the Pentagon to design plans for nuclear war against China, Russia, Iraq, North Korea, Syria, Iran, and Libya?

the following commentary is timely in this respect:

...the nuclear targeting, and active planning of first strike nuclear attacks against non-combatants and countries that the United States is not at war with, represents a dramatic and terrifying change in recent U.S. military policy. Every U.S. president since Truman has considered using nukes at some point -- but it has invariably been against countries the United States was already at war with, or that represented a nuclear threat against it.

During that time, despite the various discussions of irradiating Pyongyang, Hanoi, or Baghdad, there was an unwritten rule, which nobody seriously considered crossing, that nuclear weapons would only be used against nuclear states or their proxies (or, in the case of Iraq, due to that country's feared cache of biological and chemical weapons). And while the United States (unlike the Soviet Union) always refused to commit to a policy of ‘no first strike,’ nuclear planning was always based on an assumption that the weapons' primary use was as an ultimate deterrent.

No more. Now, nukes have seriously been proposed for casual use on the battlefield, as one more weapon in America's seemingly endless taxpayer-funded arsenal. (Think your taxes are too high? Look to the Pentagon!) The January report lists three types of situations in which such weapons are to be prepared for use: against targets able to withstand non-nuclear attack; in retaliation for attack with nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons; or "in the event of surprising military developments."

Two of those three criteria have nothing to do with deterrence or the use of weapons of mass destruction against soldiers or civilians; they are the ordinary consequence of battlefield decisions, subject to all the arrogance, confusion, panic, or other human frailties that kick in when there are no limits. And such criteria are clinically insane.

We obviously won't hear about it from our Pravda-esque evening news, but one can imagine -- I hope -- the outcry this document will provoke at the United Nations, from both targeted countries and from the other 190+ who are at risk of being targeted simply because, like, say, Syria, the United States simply doesn't like them. Or more accurately, the United States doesn't like the guy that runs their government, something the people literally melted by the thousands or millions probably had far less control over than the majority of people who didn't vote for Bush.

There are at least two ways in which Bush's nuclear planning is far more sickening than it appears at first glance. (And that's saying something.) The first is relatively simple: technology. When people think of nuclear weaponry, they think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in which some 200,000 died immediately, and far more in later years from radiation and cancers. But nuclear weaponry in 2002 bears about as much resemblance to that of 1945 as today's computers do to the very first prototypes.

2002's nukes are far more destructive, so that a "less destructive" "tactical" weapon can still wreak immeasurable damage, and the really big ones can **** up significant segments of the world. And that's one bomb: any Trident submarine (homeported at the Bangor sub base, 15 miles west of Seattle, and at Kings Bay, in southeast Georgia) can have thousands of those warheads at any one time.

The other alarming consequence of this document is that if the world's assorted dictators, departments of "defense," and terrorist cells weren't already inclined to consider weapons of mass destruction, of whatever sort they can afford, they will now see a compelling reason to invest in them. No warrior likes not having a weapon someone else could use against them, or something equivalent. And there is not a warrior on the planet that doesn't understand that the United States is now claiming the right to attack his or her country at will.

The combination of Bush's now-public willingness to use these weapons for ordinary battlefield situations; his explicit doctrine, since Sept. 11, that the United States reserves the right to attack any country at any time for any reason, with or without provocation; his active expansion of U.S. military presence around the world; and his abandonment of what was already a leaky global arms control structure, preventing the overt development of such weapons -- what all this means is that the fraudulently-elected George W. Bush has almost single-handedly made the world an infinitely more dangerous place.

The track record suggests Bush and Rumsfeld are just insane and arrogant enough to use such weapons; but if they don't, chances are pretty good they'll have created the "moral" space for someone else to use them. And then, of course, Bush and company will jump in with both feet. (As opposed to any surviving generations, which may have fix or six feet -- and three arms, seven eyes, etc.)

This document also comes at a time when -- due to U.S. actions in Afghanistan alone -- countless scores of thousands of Muslims have newly pledged themselves to martyrdom in an anti-American jihad, and any and all of us are the targets. Bush has also stripped away whatever few moral qualms such groups might have about using mass, lethal weapons against you or me, in Seattle or Des Moines or Raleigh or Fort Wayne. After all, Bush et al. are planning to target them, their families, their cities and nations, in exactly the same way. And once one goes, used by whomever, a whole lot of them will, with patriotic fervor and consequences too terrible to imagine.

My apologies if this seems a tad redundant. I made many of the same points in a column last Wednesday -- in which I called this issue the "most urgent in the world today" -- but it seems like every week brings us a measurable step closer to this completely unnecessary brink.

Six months ago today, the world was horrified by the devastation in New York, D.C., and Pennsylvania. Since then, it has been doubly horrified by the Bush Administration's exploitation of a few thousand tragic deaths to set in motion a series of policy decisions, based explicitly upon an aggressive desire for military domination of the world for up to the next 50 years, that if pursued for any length of time will unquestionably kill tens of millions, including many of us.

If not all life on earth.

No wonder he's not worried about global warming.

Geov Parrish

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=12949

....and i have another question for you....if people wish to refuse this chip-under-the-skin in the event it becomes mandatory, what is the alternative; i mean if shopping at the local market is out of the question since the only method of payment is in your hand, is the other option simply growing your own food and making your own clothes, or what?

love from snowpea

Snowpea,Im still working on putting a lot of this together,but for now will tell you a quote from Rev. 13:17.."and he provides,that no one will be able to buy or sell,except the one who has the mark,either the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
I dont think its this mark that is the "problem" so much as what it will stand for,what else it could imply.(with the worst case scenario being all things against anything empathetical,loving, along with things totally economically based,hate mongering,etc.)

I,and others Im working on this with,dont believe we have another 50 years of what we shall call "normal life".The prophecies of Christ have nearly all been fulfilled..Rev. is a bit harder to understand..because of mythological terms in relation to earthly events..(As above,so below)..and because of the double and even triple meanings to many of the prophecies of the Hebrews,and especially the quatrains of Nostradamus. "He who has ears to hear,let him hear it"

Yes,there are many a modern day "Noah" out there,preparing for total self-survival...many who are not so much tied to the earth plane,but those who are taking on the calling and preparing to aid in the coming time of peace,love and brotherhood...and the true "new world" as opposed to the more immediate future of the new world disorder.

quote:

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Tesla advocated closer contact and better understanding between individuals and communities all over the earth and the elimination of that fanatic devotion to exalted ideals of national egoism and pride which plunged countries into primeval barbarism and strife.

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this quote is from the word magazine article that moonglow posted on the Tesla thread in the Linda Goodman forum. i thought it appropriate here in the context of the nuclear holocaust we face in the escalating fear of those both within and without our borders who would undermine the agenda of those who see their power as somehow threatened -- and who would destroy (have destroyed) significant amounts of humanity in the name of patriotism.

request for strong light and love in these days...

love snowpea

p.s. perhaps these ideas are the reason for Tesla's lapse into obscurity...they did not further the emerging agenda of power and dominance...?

I don't think patriotism is the problem with the world, lust for money and power is ... although the manipulators do use emotional appeals to nationalism and national ego to further their own agendas, it is not "patriots" who are causing this trouble. The power-brokers have no love for any country, despite their impassioned (and dishonest) pleas to link patriotism to aggression. Most of us love our countries, and that's as it should be.

The problem with identifying patriotism as the enemy is that it shifts the focus of awareness to divisive thoughts about countries, when it really belongs on manipulators who have no patriotic loyalties, who are the comon enemies of all humanity. It gets us caught up in anger, when the only possible real solutions will be found in love.

Yes it is important to identify wrongdoings, so we can intelligently resist them. And when these wrongdoings are carried out by corrupt politicians who subvert governmental power to their own selfish ends, and sold to mass awareness as "patriotism," that needs to be identified and corrected, because it is one of the most powerful propaganda tools the manipulators have at their disposal. But love of one's country never caused any harm in the world - love of any kind does not harm. It is hatred that harms.

It's very tough to see this when there is so much injustice going on in the "name" of our beloved institutions, it's only natural to want to find an enemy and smash them! But the enemy is not any of the banners they falsely fly. Just as the brutal conquest of the world was once carried out under the banner of Christianity - but had NOTHING to do with the teachings of Christ or the religion of love preached by Jesus - so this bid for world domination has nothing to do with patriotic Americans or devout Muslims or any of the "sides" we are tricked into fighting on. I think it's sooo important to remember that as we continue to unmask the hidden agendas of the dark forces ... and fight them by standing up for what is right, with love and compassion for all in our hearts!

Love,
Greg

..A Canadian man accused of breaking the US Trade embargo against Cuba will begin his precendent-setting trial today. Jim Sabzall,42, is believed to be the first Canadian charged for breaching the "Trading with the Enemy Act" while still a resident of Canada.
Sabzall,who lives in a Philadelphia suburb, faces the prospect of spending the rest of his life in jail and a penalty of around 2 million dollars.

The "crime"...selling a chemical resin to Cuba,for use in water purification!!

(lets hang the b****** shall we.for trying to aide our fellow man!)

Ide like to shake the hand of the man who said.."the law is an ass".

This is the "dark side" of Free Trade..with more to come.

part of this agenda became apparent with the collaboration of certain american elements with the nazis (from a spectrum of countries) during wwII, and continues to this day.

quote:

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Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

Julius Caesar

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It appears someone has ordered a 'Peace' of pizza from 'Little Ceasar'. The price is beyond comprehension and it's already giving us indigestion. Cancell that order

Follow Your Heart
Pat

Love,
Greg

That quote is quite chilling and indeed that is what has proven to be correct time and time again in the HIStory of the planet.
Also the quote from the article on Tesla - he was never interested in money - he had a vision for all mankind and the "Death Ray" he saw as a means of preventing mankind from plunging itself into oblivion.
He wanted free electricity for the world and you can quite see what JP Morgan reacted the way he did - he gave up all rights to royalties on the Westinghouse motor. He could have been a very rich man. It always interested me that he has never been acknowledged and I believe basically it was because he never made any money.
LOve
Chelle

i agree with you about Tesla's vision extending far beyond that of money accumulating....but i don't think he was opposed to having money; he did after all enjoy life's finer surroundings...but his vision far outweighed his personal desires.

perhaps the reason for his obscurity and his lack of money stem from the same source...there were those who recognized his genius and actively sought to repress his fame, so that they therefore could appropriate his ideas and inventions in an atmosphere of little publicity, to be used to further their own future agendas.

if his ideas and accomplishments remained unknown -- and would not have had he been adequately compensated and acknowledged -- stealing his life's work and ideas would have proved a much more difficult task. he was that brilliant and his work was that important.

i wonder if he understand this...maybe at the end of his life....

hey Greg ~ that Julius Ceasar quote was a random quote i found on a website link Aries posted...i'd like to know the source of it also...Cicero perhaps? i'll try to find out.

love, snowpea