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#115628 - 03/14/02 02:21 AM Elimination of Terrorists
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The USA is the only country that promotes immigration - with no regard for race, religion, or beliefs. Essentially, it is the land of = opportunity, which is available nowhere else in the world. The US doesn't have a "class" system, like the UK or the Muslim countries, run by an elite group. We invite anyone to come on in, as opposed to other countries which promote strict nationalism. We're a peaceful nation. After the 11th, things have changed. Been a lot of talk about love and light and peace on the LG Forums.

1. al-Qaeda
2. Hamas
3. Taliban

Question: Which of these terrorist groups would respond to love and light and peace?

Answer: NONE. The terrorists have abandoned love and light and peace.

Solution: The solution is to eliminate them. In a way, it would be an act of kindness. They can come back in their next lives and work it all out.

Joyce (about 1/2 of my chart is in earth) =
COMMON SENSE


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#115629 - 03/14/02 02:58 AM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: joy]
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hi joy,..you know I know what you're going through and all that stuff..but come on..hatred breeds more hatred and violence,and this is exactly how mankind is going to wipe each other out!

I came across something about patriotism from Gooberz that I couldnt figure out where to post...so I hope you dont mind if I put it here.

from page 964..
.."this is true..just as patriotism is now interpreted to condone murder..killing,and selfish greed.

for patriotism is a good vibrational thought form, only when it symbolizes and represents loyalty and devotion to all Earthlings..as brothers and sisters..to all Nations..and eventually to all Universes likewise!

(pretty good coming from a dog eh?) arf arf


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#115630 - 03/14/02 07:49 AM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: Aries]
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Hey Joyce,

Every time I do this, I feel a bit like I'm being a creep, but believe me, that's not my intention... I find myself on a bit of a crusade these days to challenge people about their premises -- about what they think they know and take for granted as a start-off point. Because I tend to find, in our modern culture, that a lot of what we think we know, just ain't so. And it's always better to start with a clear understanding of what the reality is, when one is relying on "common sense."

Case in point -- the U.S. is one of the hardest countries in the world to legally immigrate to these days. And that has been so for a long time now. Unless you are an immediate relative of a U.S. citizen, or an internationally renowned scholar, expert or athlete, or a refugee from a country where persecution of your kind is so horribly egregious that the U.S. can perhaps if you're lucky be publicly shamed into taking you in, you ain't getting in legally. The number of immigrants into the U.S. in the last reported year who didn't fit one of those categories? About 50,000 -- and even they had to fit the "diversity" category, meaning, not many of their kind are here already. Say Tinkerbell wanted to move here from the U.K.? She'd damn well better marry a U.S. citizen first. Otherwise, she'd have a snowball's chance in hell, at best. (Sorry to make you the example, Lis.)

Here are the year 2000 numbers, straight from the Department of Justice:

FY 2000 Highlights

A total of 849,807, persons legally immigrated to the United States. Of that total, 407,402 obtained their visas abroad from the Department of State and 442,405 were granted adjustment of status i.e. permanent residence, by the INS.

The major categories of immigrants were:

-immediate relatives of U.S. citizens, meaning these citizens' spouses, children under 21 and parents only: 348,879;
-family preferences, meaning U.S. citizens' children older than 21, U.S. citizens' siblings, and the spouses and children of green-card holders: 235,280;
-employment preferences: 107,024;
-diversity program: 50,945;
-and, refugee/asylee adjustments: 65,941.

(For explanation of employment preferences, diversity program and refugee program, see below...)

Five countries accounted for 39 percent of immigrants:

Mexico (173,919), The People's Republic of China (45,652), Philippines (42,474), India (42,046), and Vietnam (26,747).

THE ABOVE COMES FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, AT http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/newsrels/announcement.htm

THE BELOW COMES FROM THE AMERICAN IMMIGRATION LAW FOUNDATION AT
http://www.ailf.org/polrep/1996/pr9608.htm

The definition of these categories under the Immigration and Nationality Act are explained below:

1) Priority Workers
A) Aliens with Extraordinary Ability: The alien has extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics which has been demonstrated by sustained national or international acclaim and whose achievements have been recognized in the field through extensive documentation." 2
B) Outstanding Professors and Researchers: The individual needs at least three years experience in teaching or research and "is recognized internationally as outstanding in a specific academic area." 3
C) Certain Multinational Executives and Managers: The alien needs to have been "employed for at least one year by a firm or corporation" in three years prior to submitting an application. 4

2) Aliens who are Members of the Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Aliens of Exceptional Ability: The alien generally needs to provide documentation of three or more types, such as a degree, license, membership in professional association, and evidence that his or her achievements have been recognized in the field/industry.5

3) Skilled Workers, Professionals, and Other Workers - Professionals: "Qualified immigrants who hold baccalaureate degrees and who are members of the professions." 6 Skilled Workers currently need "at least 2 years training or experience." 7 And Other Workers, limited to 10,000 by law, are "other qualified immigrants who are capable...of performing unskilled labor, not of a temporary or seasonal nature." 8 Immigrants can only be admitted as Skilled Workers, Professional, or Other Workers if they will take jobs "for which qualified workers are not available in the U.S." 9

Two smaller categories for employment-based immigration exist, one for "Certain Special Immigrants" (up to 10,000 visas, including religious workers) and the other for "Employment Creation," which allows admission for individuals making large investments, generally $1 million or more, that directly create jobs for Americans. In practice, this employment creation category has attracted relatively few takers. The Chinese Student Protection Act was established after Tiananmen Square and its use as a category has dwindled.

Diversity

Diversity visas, limited to 55,000 annually, are awarded by lottery. The intent of the program is to provide an opportunity for individuals to immigrate who lack family connections and live in countries that have been "underrepresented" in immigration totals in recent years.

Refugees And Asylees

The number of refugees admitted annually is set by the President in consultation with Congress. The INS does not include refugees in their annual totals in the year they enter the country but rather in the year they adjust their status to that of permanent resident, which under the law cannot be until at least 12 months after their initial entry. In 1995, 106,827 refugees adjusted their status. The annual refugee figures set by the President and Congress have declined in recent years. The number of asylees who may adjust to permanent status annually is limited to 10,000, however, more may be granted political asylum in a given year. The 10,000 or fewer asylees who adjust to permanent status each year are subtracted from the annual limit established for that year by the President and Congress through the consultative status.

What Do These Numbers Tell Us?

Although this system is more than numbers -- the principles of family reunification, support for refugees, and the ability for employers to sponsor needed employees under the system -- the data help illustrate how American immigration works in practice.

First, the most important lesson the numbers teach us is that America possesses a limited and highly regulated immigration system. Categories for family-sponsored and employment-based immigrants, which combined make up three-quarters of immigration, are numerically limited, with the exception of the immediate relatives of U.S. citizens. A cap of 480,000 is set on family immigration. However, this cap can be pierced in a given year if the number of immediate relatives rises above 254,000.
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...AND...that's the old law. Under this new Patriot Law the prez is seeking? Good luck to the teeming masses longing to be free.

Sorry to be the bearer of such news.

Maria

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#115631 - 03/14/02 09:41 AM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: WriteOn]
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How right you are Maria.
2 friends of mine moved down there when they married men in the military and it was a 2 year process for each..with having to come back to Canada in between..and also having to learn a great deal about american history, etc.as there was a "test" to pass. Its even possible they know more about the US,then the average US citizen.

By the way, it was reported yesterday,that 2 of the men who piloted the planes of 9/11 actually had properly written forms(legal)to be here,(student visas) so this will no doubt only help to usher in a national ident/marking system.
http://news.excite.com/article/id/218168|top|03-13-2002::18:05|reuters.html


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#115632 - 03/14/02 01:34 PM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: Aries]
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Pssssssssssstttt.......

Maria, there is not a cat in hells change of me ever wanting to , it's not even in my top 5 countries/places I would want to live.

Lov n hugs

Lis


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#115633 - 03/14/02 10:51 PM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: tinkerbell]
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Aw, c'mon Lis. Colorado's really beautiful.

Thanks for posting that article, Aries. I find it extremely hard to believe that INS Immigration and Student Visa records haven't been computerized before now. Even county court records have been computerized for years in every Podunk County across the United States. Well, I haven't been in every county. (There are many counties in each state, and they handle the state's business -- courts, driver's licenses, child welfare, for their area.) Everything is computerized, even in piddly little counties. The reporter must have stated the case too broadly in the INS story. Maybe they have lousy systems that don't share data well with each other...


Maria

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#115634 - 03/14/02 11:12 PM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: WriteOn]
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I agree with everything Maria said above, and since she did, I did not have to say it myself. I think it is really bad that the US have such bad imigration politics, I am actually one of the people that WOULD want to move there. And since I want to show my godlike scientific mind there and not before, I hope I can get to study there some years and then talk to some professors and all of a sudden make them convince the goverment to let me stay

I also think that the most important thing we have to ask us about elimination of terrorists, is who really is a terrorist. And why the terrorists do as they do. I also feel it's a little strange to say that the terrorist groups have abandoned love light and peace and therefor should be killed. What makes you think that is not exactly how they are thinking about us?? I think that what differs good from evil is the actions, and killing people is an evil act, no matter who you are killing, and if you want to be taken as a good guy, you should not do the same thing as the terrorist do, and specially not, as it is today, even worse things.


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#115635 - 03/14/02 11:25 PM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: Lorsa]
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,

Maria,

We have mountains here he he he!!! Ok so the climate could be a darn site better, but I just have zero desire to move to the USA, for ALL sorts of reasons:

Top 5 alternatives
France - Warm, beautiful with great food,great chamists and chilled out sexy people
Thiland - beautiful, hot and fun, chilled out, great food, funny and welcoming people, safe feeling cos I'm taller than the average
Dublin - not too warm, chilled out and freindly
Italy - Hot,great food, great design, sexy people
Bristol or Gullian in the UK.

So there you have it, the states didn't make my top 6 places even. But I'm happy enough to live in London. Pst...besides if I wanted to my skills set are so "odd" I could get in for work reasons.

he he he

Enough already.

Lov n hugs

Lis


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#115636 - 03/15/02 01:39 AM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: tinkerbell]
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hi WriteOn..Im no longer of the belief that our governments are being anywhere "honest" about any of this.
oh..you're SO aries..dig for the truth..dig for it!!

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#115637 - 03/15/02 06:53 AM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: Aries]
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Sleepy smiles to all.

And Lorsa, I hope you do get to study just where you want to. I have heard that the Axis of More Enlightened Countries, where you're from, is far better than our country is at ensuring that all citizens have reasonable access to decent housing, health care, etc. I don't like saying this, but we may be a meaner people here than yours are there.

Maria

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It wasn't born and never dies. There are no edges, there is no size.

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#115638 - 03/15/02 04:19 PM Re: Elimination of Terrorists [Re: WriteOn]
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Maria, that might actually be much truth in that we in a way are the Axis of more Enligthened countries, but this perticular country is looking up to the dot of extremely wealthy coutry with lots of cars and is getting rid of more and more of the things that made us different. But we still have free education, including college, free health care until you are 20 (and after that very cheap if you are very sick) and a social network that will make sure people won't have to live on the streets (unless they want to).

The reason I actually want to move to US, is that there are much bigger research potentials there. In sweden, research is pretty limited, and I feel that it is a big chance I won't get to work on the kind of theories I want to in Sweden.


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