So G. W. Bush seems so confident about just about anything these days, so much that he clearly mentioned not (ruling out using nucleare weapons)

I personnally am not a big fan of his... what I know is that he did not specify wether he would use in retaliation only if he had too... meaning he would use it for attack.

Somehow it doesn't surprise me coming from GWB and this goverment, while a big fan of american people for their great qualities, I am quite disgusted by their goverment and their self surving policies...

Nuclear use?

A bluff? or would he, could he?

Rachel,

1. This probably goes under "World Community".

2. Did you actually listen to his press conference?

Joyce

Actually I think it goes very well under Star Chat...

Here we are talking about astrology and all kinds of esoteric things... what goes on the political front ties in ALWAYS to esoteric realm because life is this circle where things are revealed conituasly.

What is happening in the world can also be confirmed astrologically...

what is Bush's sign and knowing that...

would he be a bluffer? How does his personnality play in how he is handeling everything?

and how do you handle your life lately, Rachel?

you`ve been missed

excatly like your little cartoon...

walking head on, head strong... work work work!
Dance dance dance!

get infuriated with politics these days...

take bubble bath, bubble bath, bubble bath!

relax relax relax!

and walk again head strong!

Is there another way?

Another way than what, Proxy? Of doing what?

Love,
Greg

I was only smiling at R/G's post.

Ah ... yeah, I'm leaning heavily on soaking in the hot tub myself these days. And putting one foot in front of the other! Mostly just trying to take everything in and sort it with clarity, keep from getting pushed this way and the other with all the emotional lash and backlash.

Gotta believe that seeing clearly will reveal the proper place for the next footfall!

Love,
Greg

Rachel, I do not know much about the Bush guy except he got a cancer sun. So I do not really know what he would do, but I don't think cancers make serious statements like that without meaning it. That is not said he would, only that he feels his home being threatened, and warn people he will defend it. But I think I saw some place that he got alot of Leo stuff, and that could probably make him say things to brag more than to do... But what do I know... nothing...

Greg,

I read that as "seeing clearly will reveal the proper place for the next football!" I was seeing you as the quarterback, dropping back into the pocket and spying the hole in the defense where any moment now Tony Gonzalez would spring into view to catch your pass. That's the part of football I like to see. Zip, zing, yeah! Another 20 yards.

Love,
One of the Lindaland Martians

Rachel,

I love your description of your life. So, now somebody's got to go get GWB's birth data, eh? Hey, hey, we had it here. The guy who wrote the kind of "macro" astrology column had GWB's data before the election, and a whole thread on it. I'll go dig it up.

Maria

I do not believe GWB is a bluffer…he says the things he does because he knows what the highest echelons are planning, and how to propagandize it well. This information is designed to make the use of nuclear weapons seem necessary, so that when it happens, the public will not be shocked, but will be comfortable with the idea. It will be the next topic of conversation at parties and over lunch, and by the time it finally occurs, it will have been present in our national gossip/dialogue for so long we will be immune to the enormity of its impact.

The basis for the following is the actual January 8 report as presented to congress, directing the pentagon to design plans for nuclear weapons in the event of 3 situations:

· against targets able to withstand non-nuclear attack
· in retaliation for attack with nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons;
· "in the event of surprising military developments.

“Two of those three criteria have nothing to do with deterrence or the use of weapons of mass destruction against soldiers or civilians; they are the ordinary consequence of battlefield decisions, subject to all the arrogance, confusion, panic, or other human frailties that kick in when there are no limits. And such criteria are clinically insane.

The combination of Bush's now-public willingness to use these weapons for ordinary battlefield situations; his explicit doctrine, since Sept. 11, that the United States reserves the right to attack any country at any time for any reason, with or without provocation; his active expansion of U.S. military presence around the world; and his abandonment of what was already a leaky global arms control structure, preventing the overt development of such weapons -- what all this means is that the fraudulently-elected George W. Bush has almost single-handedly made the world an infinitely more dangerous place.”

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=12949

why do I believe GWB is not a bluffer? because every bit of this war against terrorism has been in planning for much longer than before the events of September 11, which so conveniently allowed the war and its subsequent policies, foreign and domestic, to commence.

The following excerpt demonstrates this administration’s dealings with Afghanistan, before September 11: to convince the Taliban to allow Unocal to build an oil pipeline that would run through Afghanistan, from the Caspian Sea into Pakistan. The administration threatened to bomb Afghanistan when the Taliban resisted. Since then, the White House has squashed all investigation into the September 11 events.

“In all the coverage that the September 11th attacks have received, and with the blistering pace of change since that day, there has been little investigation into why Osama bin Laden and his 19 kamikazes were able to do what they did. In fact, such questions have been hushed at the highest levels. Both Bush and Vice President Cheney, on the eve of the recent State of the Union address, telephoned Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and asked him not to push too hard in search of an answer to this question in his upcoming Congressional hearings on the matter. Cheney's request was little more than a veiled threat.

Coming from the men whose responsibility it is to ensure that such an attack never happens again, this request is simply astounding. September 11th stands as the most egregious failure of the American intelligence and security apparatus since Pearl Harbor. Given all that is at stake, there is only one explanation for this inexplicable behavior: Bush and Cheney have something to hide, and will do whatever they can to keep their secrets hidden from view.

The world knows that Bush and Cheney spring from the cream of the energy industry crop, and owe much of their political success to the funding received from companies like Enron, Halliburton and Unocal. Scant notice, however, has been paid in this country to the level of involvement these entities had in the setting of American foreign and domestic policy. Congress' non-partisan General Accounting Office is presently suing Cheney to begin an investigation into the matter, but the White House is fighting their questions at every step.

Why?

In 1998, the American energy interest Unocal sought to build a pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan, and into Pakistan's seaports in order to bring to market the massive natural gas reserves lying fallow in the region around the Caspian Sea. After bin Laden bombed American embassies in Africa, however, the Clinton administration ruled that any deals with the Taliban were forbidden, thus cracking the middle of Unocal's plan.

When the Bush administration took power, however, these restrictions were removed. The administration began a detailed dialogue with the Taliban regime in an effort to revive the Unocal deal. The Taliban resisted, and it is reported that in response, the Bush administration threatened war against them if they did not go along. Accept our carpet of gold, the Taliban was reportedly told, or be buried under a carpet of bombs. In order to further this plan, the Bush administration hindered the FBI's investigations into terrorist networks in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, so as not to offend the regimes they hoped to include in the pipeline deal.

…These dealings continued well after September 11th with the announcement that Hamid Karzai would become the new leader of Afghanistan on December 2nd, 2001. Karzai was the main choice of the Bush administration, and on the surface his nomination was meant to herald a new day for that tortured nation. In fact, Karzai was little more than a strategically wise plant for those who still dreamed of a profitable pipeline for the Caspian gas.

One of Karzai's first jobs was as a consultant for Unocal, which never abandoned its desire to see the gas exploited.

A week after Karzai was sworn in, the Bush administration nominated Zalmay Khalilzad, another Unocal consultant, as his special envoy to Afghanistan. Before his new job, Khalilzad went to great efforts to convince Bush and his people that the Taliban was a stable government worthy of the pipeline deal.

…Time may well describe September 11th as the fallout from a failed negotiation between the Bush administration and the strategically-placed Taliban regime. It is likely that this is the reason the General Accounting Office's suit against Cheney is being so vehemently resisted by the White House. For years, the argument that American interests would be served by de-emphasizing our reliance on Mideast oil has been pressing. Cheney's secret energy committee likely dealt with this question, and their answer to this problem may well have been buried in the ground surrounding the Caspian sea. Only the pesky resistance of the Taliban stood in the way.

Cast in this light, it is no wonder that he and Bush leaned on Daschle to limit the scope of the 9/11 investigation. If such facts became public, the Bush administration would fall, and the global hegemony enjoyed by American energy interests would shatter.

None of this matters to the dead. They did not know of Bush's involvement with the Taliban on September 11th. They were not aware of this administration's deference to energy corporation interests in the formation of foreign policy. They had no clue that our investigative and intelligence forces, our sword and shield, were stripped of their power to defend the country so as to further that agenda. They trusted the President and his people to take care of the business of security, and knew nothing of the conflict of interest inherent in a mob of energy company CEOs running the store.

…When entities like Unocal control our foreign policy, blood runs in rivers down our streets. The best interests of the people are not represented, but are in fact completely disregarded in pursuit of new markets and profit.”

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemId=12879

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
President Franklin D. Roosevelt

Bush has already commented about the "reasons" for having nukes...its in case we need them for "defense".

Unfortunately he hasnt defined "defense"..
They have been made for a reason,and its not for a coffee table conversation piece.

Hi Aries ~

do you mean Bush's comments about nuclear weapons have been made for a reason beyond coffee table gossip?

i agree....but am interested in knowing the reasons you believe.

love, snowpea

Well, here's another conspiracy, but this one's local to Lindaland. I can't find Rico Baker's Galaxy Watch column for October 2000, although the long discussion that spun from it is still here. The original column had birth data for both Bush and Gore.

Anywho, too tired to keep looking right now...

Maria

hi snowpea..I meant the nukes will be used..they arent just a decoration. Ide laugh but its too sad.

Their use COULD also trigger a set of major earth rumblings. This is now possible with the militaries advanced use of Teslas work.
They can also alter the weather.

I may not be around much the next few days..so if I miss something you post to me..you'll understand.

WriteOn..I know we discussed Bush/Gores chart on the Ask the Astrologer site durying the election..so you could check the archives there

Maria, a black helicopter landed near our server and emitted a narrow particle beam that selectively erased all the Galaxy Watch columns!

Actually, they were on the original LindaGoodman.net site, but never made the transfer over here . I do have a copy of that October column, however, and it's birth data. Here's what Rico had to say about Bush and Gore:

quote:

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George W. Bush (7/6/46, 7:26 am EDT, New Haven CT) has many of the astrological markings of a politician with stelliums in Leo (including his ascendant) and Libra (including his Moon) plus his Uranus is conjunct the north node in Gemini. However, his Mars and Saturn are not especially strong, and with his Sun and Saturn in the 12th house in Cancer, I wonder if he does not have a shadow side of great doubt and sensitivity that may make him rather unstable under pressure. Sun squaring his Moon in Libra may have something to do with his admitted lack of expertise with international politics, where the emphasis is on subtle diplomacy rather than straight shooting Texas oil style politics.

Al and Tipper Gore bring more of the astrological signatures that we have come to expect from those that make it to the top of the political heap. Both are born in the capitol city and have definite karmic connections to this important spot on the map. Gore (3/31/48, 12:53 pm EST) has Sun in Aries, Moon in Capricorn and Leo rising. He has a Mars, Saturn, Pluto conjunction in Leo. Mars is further accented being the ruler of his Sun sign and very close to stationary. Uranus is in Gemini and Neptune in Libra. It is easy to see why he is considered a great debater, although one might wonder just how diplomatic. He is considered to be rather serious and this is not too surprising with Aries and Capricorn. His Jupiter in Sagittarius gives some potential for fun, but it is conjunct that serious Moon in Capricorn.

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Love,
Greg

an article on comparative prophecy and the possibility of something "nuclear"..Wormwood,etc.
http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/March2002/wormwood1/wormwood1.htm

Aries, hi!

I went to that site you posted... they write that the english translation of chernobyl is "wormwood" yet my russian/ukrainian friend clearly states that cherno, at lest, means "black". the rest is nothing (a name) I didn't ask her wether it meant wormwood, just asked her a translation of the city name.

what to believe these days... really!

hi Rach. Im waiting on the writer of the article to get back to me on that,as Ive wondered it myself. But dont discredit the WHOLE article just yet.

One of the things Im personally working on is the "wormwood" term. When the ancients "seen" something in visions,etc.they used words that THEY related to,in their time frame,not ours.
Wormwood is taken from a common name of a kind of plant from the Asteraceae family. It is a toxic,bitter substance,and I was once recently told it can "make a person go crazy"..so am also looking into that.

Thanks for pointing out about Chernobyl/wormwood though,as this is another case where it could have a double or triple meaning.

Rachel..here was the reply from the moderator of the site where the article was posted,and I trust the sources...

"The actual power plant Janice discussed in the article itself was actaully
named the V.I. Lenin Nuclear Power Plant.

Chernobyl' (Chornobyl' in Ukrainian) is actually an obscure city on the
Pripiat' River in north-central Ukraine. The V.I. Lenin Nuclear Power Plant
where Reactor #4 sits like a waiting disaster is about twenty-five kilometers
upstream from the city.

Depending on how you tranlate slavic derivations of the world Chernobyl in
Russian, Polish, etc, it means "black plant" or "black wood." Chernobyl was
picked up by the western media because the Soviet-controlled media out of
Moscow used the Russian variant.

However the proper word is Chornobyl, which is a Ukrainian word for a plant
named Wormwood. In the west, we use the names Black Walnut and Wormwood for
herbs.

In summary, Chernobyl is really Chornobyl which is an obscure Ukrainian word
for the herb we know as Wormwood.

Thanks for asking, Marshall"

This is probably totally out left field, but when I first read the original wormwood post my verbal brain did a bit of a flipflop at the relation to "Silkwood." Karen Silkwood, you may remember from the movie starring Meryl Streep, was a worker at a Nuclear facility in Oklahoma in the 70's who was murdered while on her way to deliver proof of sub-standard nuclear materials and safety procedures at the plant where she worked.

Silkwood -> Silkworm -> Wormwood

Probably meaningless, just popped into my head!

Love,
Greg

No Greg, you're not as crazy as you think you are...thats a great post!

After doing this long enough,one "sees" the connections..the play on words,and even what may seem like codes. Its one reason why analogies in dreams are hard to understand at times...at least I have found that to be true.

Take,for example,the explanation of Chernobyl meaning "black wood." Another type of example similar to the Silkwood one is in Rev 8 it states "the name of the star is called Wormwood,and a third of the waters became wormwood because they were made bitter". "Bad (bitter) water" is also called black water.
Now you can see why prophecy can be hard (and FUN) to break down. There can be more than 2 or 3 ways to look at things. We(myself and friends/colleagues in this study) tend to doubt a prophecy "explanation" if there isnt more than one way to look at it.Possibly the ancients didnt always understand their analogies either, but yet it still makes for a kind of a cosmic puzzle..and something again that sometimes helps show the "connections" in the universe. I think its a part of the "mysteries of the heavens",but thats IMO.

That wasnt out in left field at all..on the contrary,I think your 3rd eye is wide open!

I agree with Aries, Greg... you just demonstated the structure of word association. Interesting.. since my THOHTS jumped to Silkwood too.

Great research, Aries "one "sees" the connections..the play on words,and even what may seem like codes..." Codes are given subliminally in advertising, news, number sequence, sound... an endless list. So it doesn't just 'seem' like codes.. if it feels like a code.. it probably is a code.

Follow Your Heart
Pat

Aries,

my Ukrainian friend confirmed the translation of Charno to be black...
yet she did add that "byl" is an ending not found in the Ukrainian language...

I'll do some furthur research, (I do enjoy linguistics)