Has anyone tried any predictive stuff for the near future? I have... and I don't really like what I've seen.

I read this article in some astrology magazine (American Astrology, I think... I know it's kind of cheapy, but sometimes they have good articles) that predicted a lot of stress for the next few months, possibly culminating in late May/early June. They did this on the basis of the Moon's placement (i.e. setting up charts for new moons, full moons, etc.).

I'm not sure but they didn't really seem to know what they were doing; they were predicting stuff based solely on the moon charts. Obviously, there's stressful aspects going on all the time that don't really cause much real havoc or anything, because (usually) the contacts from the transiting planets to a person/place/thing's natal chart are what "make things happen". Solar returns seem to be the exception (in that you interpret the solar return chart by itself), but even those are connected to someone's Sun.

I'm rambling again...

But anyway, they only gave the moon charts for up to April 26th, so I made more, up to about June 10th (a new moon in Gemini). It's 6/10/02, 7:46PM, and I used Washington, D.C. because the astrology article did. The chart turned out rather ugly.

I got a little worried at this point (I'm a Virgo; worrying is my job), so I decided to confirm it against the natal chart for America (7/4/1776, I've seen several times for it, but I know it was in Philadelphia). I was hoping that the new moon chart wouldn't make any contacts to America's chart.

Unfortunately... it did.

The new moon chart has the Sun, Moon, Saturn, and the North Node all between 17-19 degrees Gemini. All of them oppose Pluto which is in Sagittarius at 16 degrees. (If you're into Uranian astrology, our good friend Hades, which is like a sort of "Super Pluto", is also sitting there in the Sun/Moon/Saturn/North Node conjunction.)

This wouldn't be a fun time as it is; it would probably mean a lot of mental stress and confusion and so forth. But, if you look at America's chart, you see that its Mars is at _20 degrees Gemini_ squaring Neptune at 19 degrees Virgo. So, essentially the huge Gemini conjunction is *sitting right top of America's Mars* and squaring America's Neptune. And then we have transiting Pluto which completes a huge T-square.

Does anyone remember a similar astrological pattern? I do. Look at 9/11. On that day the Sun was about 19 degrees Virgo, and Pluto was still happily sitting there at about 12 degrees Sag. T-square again.

America's Mars-Neptune square seems to be a very sensitive point for war/violent activity.

Like it says in the title, I really, really hope I'm wrong. I know I'm sort of the mascot for pessimism and cynicism here, but that's only because I'm a Virgo and we tend to base our judgments on either empirical data or logic, and both of these can be accurate to a point but we usually miss "the big picture".

I'm actually less worried about a "terrorist attack" (notice the quotes ) than I am about the possibility that America will decide it should nuke something. Maybe I'm too "soft" or something but I honestly can't see any reason to EVER use nuclear weapons.

Aside from my moral opposition to nuclear weapons, I think the whole "We should nuke (name of country)!" is a complete setup: we nuke somewhere, and then they nuke Washington D.C. in response. What does that leave us with? The "shadow" government.

Please look at the new moon chart and tell me what feelings you get from it. This is one occasion when I'd love to be proven wrong. Again, I don't mean to be cynical or negative, I just see what I see. Hopefully I'm not "seeing" correctly.

Hi Rusty,

I have had several chats with various asto wizzes (inc A2) re the forth comming astrology. Presumably May looks good and scarey. I have an email regarding this somewhere if you want me to paste the aspects...sound nasty in a catestropic tye of way.

Now I use Nov 15 1777 as the US chart.

As for how you feel about it; you can be an optimist or a pessimist ...... the outcome will remain the same. So there really is no point worrying about it now becuase it will happen come what may. You can't change the transists but you can change the way you react to them.

Lov n hugs

Lis

Rusty!!!

I am SO glad you brought this up!

Listen being an absolute kindergartner at casting charts....There was no way I'd brooch the subject except for a toe in the water here and there....but this Virgo was driven to look at the USA's chart a couple of months back......and shoot forth into May as well...(and I was wondering at the time why)...it alarmed me too.

As if the 'almost' consequtive Rx's of saturn and now Pluto were to give us time to get ready.

There was not the feeling of 'we would go off the deep end' for me...it was more of a 'it's all going to come to a head' feeling.

And I do not think GW is safe at all.....and right now he is cocky about putting himself 'out there'.

He's a puppet boy and I wonder who behind the scenes would be so gracious as to let him put himself 'out there' in danger.

Look at his chart against the USA's for the same dates.....

Also the terrorists slipped thru 'security' during the void of course Moon before it went into cancer.....and I wonder if they knew that at the time....a time of high alert for me now....

It feels to me like the nuke talk is just cancer pinching and distractions.....bully talk on the block if you will....'don't be bad 'cause we is badder dan you are'....at least I hope so.

Don't you think that a year from now...it will be as different a world as it was a year ago?

(Btw...I stumbled onto this by finding out that Saturn is going to conjunct my Mars at the same time...geez...I hope I don't keel over from a heart attack or something.....*virgo hand wringing*)

Has anyone else looked at their own charts for that time?....Because I would be willing to bet that EVERYONE has upheaval on paper in May and June....

Sure hope that GW has someone talking the stars in his ears.....kind a makes you miss the good old days when we wondered who was under the desk...instead of how close the button is to the guy sitting there now.....at least Clinton was Relaxed!

whew......

Love and (((HUGS))) and Peace,

Dani

Clinton had reasons to feel relaxed Dani

Yes,its a wild celestial event happening this year,with the saturn/node,opposing the pluto/s.node, along with all the retro action,along with a solar eclipse in early June....(and more).

In charts of nearly everyone, Im seeing one of these points hitting by either direct conjunction,opposition,or square,either in natal or the progressed charts..its uncanny.
Call it mass karma personified.
Call it our karmic destiny with the node involvement!

I havent had time to look at Bush's chart,but have thought of it due to the 20 year jupiter opp. saturn "rule" and the presidents,as well as the curse of Tecumseh,which I doubt was a curse at all..but a native indian who knew about the stars either personally, or through someone else. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yowusa_prophecy/files/bush_tecumseh.htm

I doubt it takes a rocket scientist astrologer to see Bush isnt the most loved man in the world today,and you're certainly right on with that Dani..

Thomas,are you out there? I wonder what your views are on his chart.

Golly gee, suvanagun...*sigh*...and ooooh... ....you guys....scary, scary....

Was going to take a trip on May 28 thru June 2, to Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, with some members of our tribe...to see Dollywood, and some other stuff...we were going on a bus ( like on the trip to Branson)....Was looking forward to it...*sigh*...but now, I'm wondering if maybe I should just stay up here in the woods????? Anybody want to give me any advice???? thanx.....

Luv,
Rainbow~

Mass karma might be too harsh a word...or perhaps thats my fear of giving it power talking....how about mass karmic opportunity?

The words mass karma had popped into my head too tho'....every one of my children...my sister...my brother-in -law...my husband...we all we all have charts that can bite in May...my business does too.

I am not suprised you are seeing it with other charts as well....not suprised at all.

Now...I'll go one more with you....how many earth signs are you seeing that are slightly skittish right now...and trying to act like they are not?

If I was a horse...I'd be feeling an earthquake coming.....thats how it feels.....and I believe earth signs feel this in their souls.....all the 11:11 visions that I have been getting for months feel SO connected to all this...and lately I seem to look at the clock at 9:11...day and night.....
It gives me a mixed feeling of the creeps...and of knOwing something I can't quite yet understand...but will knOw...and I'll knOw when it happens....does that make sense?

hhhmmmmmmm

~Dani

just a guess,but either everyone will know OR we are already feeling it,or a combination.

Rainbow..dont worry..go on your trip. If you arent meant to go..you will hear a message,just keep your ears/eyes open.
I had wondered about that too,but other things cancelled a trip for me,which was my "sign". But that was for me personally.Whatever happens,will happen,no matter where you are,and you will be where you're meant to be when and if it happens. Hows that?

Hey,have fun in Dollyville.
What do you get when you cross Dolly Parton with Conway Twitty?

Titty Twitty

Rusty,

When I was looking at the ephemeris for May...it looked to me like May 5th is the day the opp is strongest.....although any pro here can Please feel free to grade my work.... !!!!

But I was zonked by the fact that Pluto will be retro when it happens!!!

After that I wigged so tight on that...I never looked further to see when it goes direct....

Greg!...Saturn will be moving much faster then...than it did in Sept cause it's direct this time...(I think it was either slowing down in sept...or just turing rx....I left my darn stuff at work so I can't look to virgo double check)...now if last time Saturn was Rx...and Pluto was direct....and this time it's just the opposite...what could that mean?

Pluto is turning rx now..........

The outer planets seem to be relatively close to where they were...but all the inners will be different....I'd love to hear what you all think....

Oh I have to go look up how long the rx lasts....I wonder if that means it will go out of orb and then back over it again!....Depends how fast saturn is moving I bet.......

gee whiz...what if we have not learned the lessons well enough for the next test?....oh man...this is one of those times when a little knOwledge is a dangerous thing!

Love,

Dani

"Holy Shmoley!!!"

* S I G H *

Hi Ginny!!!!! (((HUG!)))

I'm sorry I have written lately.....life is a whirlwind in March...too much overtime...not enough sleep......and I feel like crap and I have to fake that I don't all the time.....tttthhhhpppttt!

Anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyy...I went and checked the ephemeris on line...and I screwed it up again..... ...one of these days I will learn to check my facts before I waste air time.......but probably not soon!~ LOL

ok...*Perot voice*..."Here's the deal see....."

The Saturn Pluto opp comes into Orb...May 6th...(I gave it 3-4*)...so give or take a belief system degree.....
@ Saturn 14* Gem 06...and Pluto at 17* Sag 05

It hits direct on May 23rd.....( creepy...the day I left Joe so looonnnnnggggg ago....!)

They move out of Orb June 18th...and Pluto will be rx until Sept 15......

*sigh*...and just a moment on the personal pity pot please......this whole damn thing is going to be nailing me....Saturn is going to conjunct my Mars...and opp my own saturn...and Pluto is going to conjunct my Saturn and opp my Mars!!!!!

Now how *^$&IN$%$%&&**&ing scarey is that?

*flush* It's ok to sit on the pity pot now and then...just be sure and flush when you are done!

*singing* This is the way we learn in life
Learn in life
Learn in life
This is the way we learn in life
So early in the dawning......

Sorry.......I'm tahred...thats a southern accent...not a misspelling...heeeheeee

Love and Peace and answers......

I am

Always....Searching.

Dani:
I didn't know the opposition was strongest in May... I picked June 10th because both the Sun and Moon are conjunct the Saturn/North Node and Pluto opp. The "inner" planets tend to act as "triggers" for events. The transiting planets stay within a certain position for a LONG time without necessarily doing anything (aside from making Virgos worry, that is ). The inner planets sort of "set off" the transits, if that makes any sense. That's what I've read, at least. And 9/11 sort of confirms it... the Sun was 19 Virgo that day, hitting America's Mars/Neptune square.

Then again, as Lis said, I may have the wrong chart for America, so I could be wrong.

Late May/early June STILL looks scary, though o_0

Rusty..June 10 is also a solar eclipse..

Dani..in checking an online ephem. I notice Pluto rx's back to 14 degree 55 then forward again about the end of Aug..but maybe someone with a proper programme can help..
http://www.zodiacal.com/ephemerides/2002.htm#AUG

Rusty and everyone -

I hope you are wrong too - but I am more inclined to think you are right.

Pluto goes direct on Aug 27 at 14'53' Sag. Saturn will be at 27 Gemini at that time.

I would like to take a moment to feel sorry for myself and share with you all that my Moon is at 16 Pisces and my Venus is at 26 Virgo. These influences are going to make me or break me I think. But that's Pluto's nature, isn't it?

Love,
Terri

Hello all! Searching, you were right about the earth signs right now. My Taurus boyfriend seems to be a tad disturbed lately... Like we will be watching the news on t.v. and out of the blue he will say, "It's coming". He isn't the type of person who's afraid of very much. It's my job as a Cancer to worry. But now, he has been discussing with me how we should move out into the country or go to the mountains. I hope nothing THAT bad happens! I've been a tad on edge lately too... I feel some change coming... but I'm not sure what it is. Whatever it may turn out to be, I hope everything will be okay. And, this may not relate or have anything to do with these coming changes, but I was wondering. I have always had a strong interest in Egypt, and have wanted to go there for some time. Now, it's been getting stronger each day that passes by. I've had numerous dreams about what appears to be myself in a previous lifetime there. I'd like to get a past life regression... Does anyone know of a reputable one in Ohio?
Anyway... Sorry to wander off topic a bit. I will pray that things will be alright. I'm just a wee bit scared and confused.

Love,
Marley

Good Morning -

Feel like a bit of a wanker here...I jumped on last night (way later than I should have been) and totally ignored/missed a bunch of posts. I don't know how that happened...

Dani - What ephermieris are you using? Solar Fire has Aug 27 as the day Pluto goes direct. I wonder where you got Sept 15 from? So you are getting whammyied on your Saturn and Mars, eh? And who else? I should start a poll here and see how many of us have Saturn/Pluto hitting our charts right now. Saturn has actaully been trining my Mars. That's a good one - but I can see how the sqaure could be yuk.

Rusty - So what do you think it means? Really. I have a bad strong feeling that the next big event will be with regards to Iraq. Now whether the US supported by their allies 'goes first' or does something in 'retaliation' it could be very very bad. But all hope is NOT lost for me. I have been thinking about the nature of a Saturn/Pluto opposition. It's about deep-level transformations of structure and form. War does do that. So do people banding together and demanding change. It's really up to us. How much we will tolerate being lied to and decieved.

I can't quite explain what I mean. I hope someone understands.

Love,
Terri

Marley -

Very nice to meet you. Would it surprise you to know that I had two Eyptian memories surface in the last two days? Once upon a time I would be a freaked out right now and say 'what a weird coincidence?' Now all I can say is, maybe you and I should talk about this.

Love,
Terri

PS - Trust your boyfriends intuition. Have a safe place to go and survival things to bring with you. Once upon a time I would have felt like a total nut for saying that too, but I think he is seeing things just as they are. Sad as that is to say.

Yes, Marley....welcome..

Terri...I think we discussed this before...my Moon is 9 degrees Pisces...My Venus is 11 degrees Pisces, and my Saturn is l8 degrees Pisces exactly opposite my Neptune 18 degrees Virgo.....Moon in tail end of 4th house..Venus and Saturn in the 5th...Neptune in the 11th....so I guess I'm a bit on the twittery side, myself..*sigh*...

Luv,
Rainbow~

Marley, where in Ohio are you? I also think you should be listening to your b/f. You are probably "hearing a call" from the sounds of that post.
You may want to check out Edgar Cayces prophecies about the New Madrid Fault line. He spoke of the Great Lakes empyting into the Gulf of Mexico. Ignore his timeline date,he shouldnt have done that.
We will have a warning..and when the time comes..."run..do not look back"(biblical prophecy). It will probably involve a planetary/comet/meteor shower disturbance(mayan,Nosty,and mother shipton prophecies..and biblical stating "a millstone thrown into the sea") This is what is known as the "pole shift". It will be in conjunction with WWW3 (biblical prophecy).(possibly halfway through it..but maybe not) This is something Im still working on with others. We are entering the Tribulation period..Im sure many here can feel that.
When the warning comes,you should be at least 200 miles WEST of the Mississippi/Missouri RIvers). Dont head east,huge tsunamis are predicted. You can check online sites for earth change maps, but they vary. The "for sures" in this are
1)get away from all coastlines
2) leave the New Madrid fault area

Many are starting to hear/see the signs..its in order to prepare,and shove aside materialism.

Based on a combination of prophecies,and dreams people are having..we "should" have notice,(possibly/hopefully a week,)so dont panic.
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(.." there shall be SIGNS in the sun,and the moon,and the stars,and
upon the earth,distress among nations"..Luke 21:25)

Hi everyone

Areis post above prompted me to look out for infor on the New Madrid fault line, since I have heard little about it before. Below is some background/history I stumbled across:

"In the past three centuries, major earthquakes outside of California and Alaska generally occurred in sparsely-settled areas, and damage and fatalities were largely minimal. But some took place in areas that have since been heavily built up. Among them are three earthquakes that occurred in 1811 and 1812 near New Madrid, MO. They are among the Great earthquakes of known history, affecting the topography more than any other earthquake on the North American continent. Judging from their effects, they were of a magnitude of 8.0 or higher on the Richter Scale. They were felt over the entire United States outside of the Pacific coast. Large areas sank into the earth, new lakes were formed, the course of the Mississippi River was changed, and forests were destroyed over an area of 150,000 acres. Many houses at New Madrid were thrown down. "Houses, gardens, and fields were swallowed up" one source notes. But fatalities and damage were low, because the area was sparsely settled then.

The probability for an earthquake of magnitude 6.0 or greater is significant in the near future, with a 50% chance by the year 2000 and a 90% chance by the year 2040. A quake with a magnitude equal to that of the 1811- 1812 quakes could result in great loss of life and property damage in the billions of dollars. Scientists believe we could be overdue for a large earthquake and through research and public awareness may be able to prevent such losses.

Los Angeles can expect to be mightily damaged by movement on the San Andreas Fault, or the Newport-Inglewood or other neighboring faults, most probably within the next 25 years. But the Eastern and Midwestern states also face ground shaking of colossal proportions, repetitions of such known upheavals as the 1886 Charleston, S.C., quake, the 1755 Boston quake, and the Jamaica Bay quake hundreds of years ago on New York's Long Island. The granddaddy of them all was the 1811-1812 series of three great quakes on the New Madrid Fault (halfway between St. Louis and Memphis beneath the Mississippi), which shook the entire United States. The next time the New Madrid Fault produces such a quake, it is estimated 60 percent of Memphis will be devastated, leaving $50 Billion in damage and thousands of dead in its wake. Memphis, you see - like Armenia - has looked down the barrel of a loaded seismic gun for decades, but has done virtually nothing to move out of the crosshairs."

Love,
Terri

Hi Marley! Welcome!!!!

Terri...the New Madrid fault is particularly dangerous because the plates lay on top of each other rather than side by side like the San Andreas fault does.
So when they shift...they shift sideways...and back and forth.

During that last big quake that changed the Mississippi course...it rang the church bells in Boston.

Add to that the lack of preparation...and it could be really be awful.

Aries is does not have to be all doomsday talk.....we have free will...and 9/11 taught us the passion we can CHOOSE to have for each other....I have faith in that...from the bottom of my heart.

oh poo...which one of you asked about my ephemeris?...... I can't remember....

ah well it's from:

Astrology in the Age of Aquarius
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/jekyll/75/index.html

Nice site.... handy.

Boy the earthquake talk gave me the jitters more than I already had them!

Love and peace,

Dani

Doomsday into----> bloomsday Dani. All a part of something called evolution.

I only spread the word..no one really "needs" to listen.

Thanks for the article Terri...I recall reading that a couple years back.

So Pluto goes direct on Aug. 27th? Great... that's the day before my birthday. I'm sad to say I don't know much about what Pluto going direct does. I know it has to do with the Plutonian energy going back to moving "outward", but as for what that means, I've no clue.

And as for what's going to happen, Terri.. I honestly don't know (again). I looked through "The Rulership Book" (I forget the author.. it's Rex something-or-other) tonight and wrote down everything Saturn and Pluto together stand for. The basic gist of my list (which included such wonderful things as corpses, funerals, and carrion animals) was that the Saturn-Pluto opposition means an end to something that has to go. "Doomsday=Bloomsday" as Aries said

The form this could take could be anything... it could be the U.S. doing something to Iraq, or vice versa. I don't know if that's "big" enough o_0; I read on some site that someone said "everyone I talked to about Sept. 11th had forgotten about it by Sept. 12th."

Sorry I'm so vague. Mercury's in direct opposition to my natal Mercury tonight.

Hello again. Thank you all for your input! Aries... I live in Northwest Ohio, about an hour south of Toledo. Being the home and family lover that I am, I hope nothing like that happens anytime soon. It would take a lot of convincing to get them to move elsewhere. Should I be prompted further to leave, I will definitely find a way. At the moment though, our money is so little and so sparce, that it would be extremely difficult to do. My last employer basically forced me into quitting... long story. It was one of those smaller clothing stores. Managers were talking behind my back while I was in earshot, and lying about me to the main manager... supposedly, they would ask me to do something and I would say no. Very shady. In my job before that, I got along with well over a hundred people that thought very highly of me. I go to a small store consisting of less than ten, and they find it impossible. hmmm. Oops! Sorry I rambled a bit... it's a touchy issue. Anyway... If the time comes where I know we need to move without any reason to doubt... any suggestions on good places... preferably in or near the mountains? And, if anyone is willing... Does anyone see anything interesting in either my chart, Brad's, or a combination of both? Mine: July 19,1981@12:03pm/ Fostoria, OH. His: April 23,1981@5:23pm/ Port Clinton, OH. I'm in no rush... Whoever is bored. Just if there is anything dealing with money/career at the current moment, or any big changes that stick out in conjunction with the coming changes. I'd reeeeeally appreciate it.
Terri- Was there fighting in your Egyptian dreams? Like there was some type of uprising or battle going on? All I remember is that I was in a place with HUGE columns at night, running as fast as I could. It felt like I was of some higher rank or important in some way. I believe I buried something to hide it from whoever was after me. I kept running and got caught. They brought the man I loved to where I could see him and started beating him, then took a knife and stabbed it into his back, killing him. I was screaming and the people holding me killed me also. I get the feeling that my relationship with my lover was in secret... like I wasn't allowed to be with him. Perhaps of a different status? I also believe that man may have been Brad for a few big reasons. He has very few dreams... but has had some that coincided with mine. He remembers other things, including being killed, dealing with us. He described so much that I saw without my ever telling him what things looked like in full detail. And... he has back problems. It's weird and hard to explain. What do you think? What have your dreams been about? I think I will try meditating with Brad tonight and see what happens. Has anyone else here had dreams of Egypt? Sorry for such a long post! heeheehee. I'm going to stop before I make your eyes hurt. Please take care everyone! Thank you for listening.

Love,
Marley

hi Marley..
Im glad to see you arent too panicked just yet. Its a thought for the future,but not too far off future. We have the outbreak of WW3 to contend with FIRST. That will be the first obvious "sign"...well,the first sign to anyone who doubts..

Dont be too concerned about money. When the time comes,it wont matter.
Heres an analogy..when the World Trade center was hit,do you really think many ran back for their purses? Just something to ponder.
We will be in a totally different headspace when these things come upon us.