I'm sure many of you remember some of the discussion we've had here about Cathy O'Brien (the former CIA mind control slave) and her husband Mark Phillips, who helped her escape from that program. I have just learned that Cathy and Mark's website has been shut down by the FBI, who has brought extreme pressure to bear on the major ISP's and forced them to block their site. They are offline as of yesterday.

This is a great blow to Mark and Cathy, as web sales of their book Trance-Formation of America, along with speaking engagements announced on their site, constitute both their sole source of income and their only means of communicating their important story to the public. I am offering them my assistance in this, and may soon create some pages or a space for them here, for announcements and information ... and may also set up a new website for them on my own personal servers which are located in my home under my direct control.

I am well aware that the web is carefully monitored, and these things will not escape the powers that be, so it is possible that there may be repercussions on this site. I am counting on the popularity and relatively high profile of the Linda Goodman name to provide some protection ... I don't think they will harm me or shut us down peremptorily, because of the adverse publicity it could generate; but I'm not naive enough to believe that that is MUCH protection ...

Just letting you all know. I'll have more information tomorrow.

Love to all,
Greg

If anyone ever doubted that Virgos serve their fellow man, woman and freed slave...

Break out the Ninja outfits, my friend. I'll go get a copy of the Bill of Rights.

Maria

Gosh Greg well done for standing up and being counted!!!! Gosh the whole situation sucks!!! That's appauling..I'm not shure which is worse that they are being monitored or that they were closed down!!!

Good luck with any support you can provide!!

Lov n hugs

L

(We need a cool thumbs-up smiley - the big grinny face isn't quite right here.)

Terri

Could you give some details as to how and why they were shut down?
I think I know how the Internet works and it's all about two points of service, DSN servers, and IP addresses and the Internic Domain Names. Many of these are like shopping. It's time and money but I can't see how anyone could be shut down. Content can be blocked and any illegal activity can be stopped but I don't get how any determined Webmaster could be stopped. There are too many ways to get around things.
I don't get it. What did the FBI do exactly?

Darwin

Darwin, something you need to know..in times of "war"(and dont kid yourself,THEY are using terrorism for this term)...ALL the rules,laws etc change. People do not have the same so called "rights" they normally would have. This would include anything to do with ISPs.

This info is direct from the mouths of US war veterans, AND Bush himself has stated things "change in times of war".
Everyone should try and catch each single speech this man makes for a real eye-opener. Watch for the reptilian tounge. Ide do a smiley here, but Im serious.

Greg...your generosity does not surprise me in the least...I hope you are able to help Mark and Cathy....even at the risk of losing this wsbsite...You are a darling....

Love,
Rainb~

Perhaps I should have read this before I posted that new thread........ ...then again there's no such things as accidents right?

So people can cook meth in the woods at a state campground...( it happened at a camp site near us last summer! :mad ....but We the People cannot discuss the Country we pay to run on line?

I don't think so.

Bring it on.

This Virgo is pissed.

I want the answers to Dar's questions too.

So everyone has a phone right?

And we all have handy the numbers to our local talk radio...and tv affiliates right?

So if anything goes down...including this site.

Pick up the phone gang.

Bring it on.

High Five Greg.....(((HUGS)))

Love and Peace and Life and Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness regardless of race color or creed.

((((Psssst......do they knOw anything about Rx Pluto?.... teeeheeeeee ssssssshhh ))))

Dani

Well, here's what's shivering my timbers tonight. I decided that if I was going to be defending the rights of Cathy and Mark to speak, I probably ought to go see a bit of what they have to say. I found a transcript of one of their presentations still online and read through it. It was, indeed, remarkable. I don't know whether to believe it, although if this is Cathy's real life story, she has not only the moral right but also the moral obligation to tell it. I do believe the CIA has mind-control projects and would be twisted enough to seek out the kinds of subjects for controling that Cathy says she was.

And I knew from the moment I heard he died that Lennon was taken out by someone(s) high in the non-elected part of the national government. Mark Phillips gives a simple "yes" to that one when it comes up in the question-and-answer session. Sean Ono Lennon, by the way, believes it too.

Anyway, all that I read was sobering. However, a couple of things rather peripheral to Cathy's personal story caught my attention... one being the occult "Temple of Set," which they mention in an offhand way is spreading across military installations. Set appeared in my Lexigram, so that caught at my awareness.

Then, in the question-and-answer period of the presentation, someone asked whether the CIA's mind-control projects were involved in Jim Jones' cult in Guyana, a "religion"-based group that killed some visiting U.S. officials and then committed mass suicide, including the murder of the children.

Mark Phillips answered, "I'll just tell you this. We have copies of the CIA's deed for the land in French Guyana, and Jonestown. They even bought the property for Jim Jones. It wasn't intended (unintelligible) experiment, it was for biologicals. And there's two more encampments still there that you all don't know about. Contact the Guyanese government, and ask them what's going on down there, next to Jonestown, within 100, 120 miles. They still got two encampments, and they're still testing. The Mossad is down there, the French are down there, MI6(?) is down there, and the CIA is down there."

Now this just froze my soul, because we have a hideously horrible and deeply strange Guyana connection going on right here in the neighborhood, so to speak. Colorado Springs is our nearest city, and Guffey is one of the little towns around here. Remember the chapter in Gooberz called "Maybe in Guffey"? It figured into Linda's search to mend the china doll she smashed and resurrect her relationship with Goober.

Something horrible happened in Guffey recently and the investigation into the crime revealed allegations of a Guyana connection that have since been hushed up. Here's a link to a pretty thorough story about it in the Colorado Springs Independent. It's the cover story now, but only for a day or two longer, so the URL for it is going to change when a new issue comes out. I'll try to update the link as soon as it changes.

The updated link:
http://www.csindy.com/csindy/2002-03-28/cover.html

If I don't get the link changed when the URL changes, the main address of the publication is http://www.csindy.com and you can find the story in the archive search. It's from the issue of March 28 -April 3, 2002, Vol. 10 No. 13, and it's the cover story, "Rough Justice: Isaac Grimes' crime and punishment" by Kathryn Eastburn.

Freaky.

Maria

Maria, I read that article, and it's grim alright. If there is no conspiracy of larger forces at work, and the idea of a secret plot involving Guyana and gun smuggling and mind control was all the imagination of a few teenagers, then why are the court proceedings being conducted under high-powered defensive measures including bulletproof vests and mounted machine guns at the courtroom? A coverup for sure! It is really insulting that they think they can tell the public any damn thing they want, to hush up anything they don't want to talk about, and expect us to shut up and believe it.

Proxy (and others) I don't blame you for being confused about what happened. I have a little bit more information now, and it now appears that the FBI did not directly shut them down, although it is likely that they are involved in covering up what really happened.

Apparently the way this has been accomplished is this: the small independeent ISP's who hosted Mark and Cathy's websites (they had both Trance-Formation.com and Trance-formation.org, mirror sites hosted separately) received notice from the corporate attorneys of several of the huge major ISP conglomerates, including MSN, AOL, Earthlink/Mindspring, stating that if they did not immediately cease hosting Mark and Cathy's sites and remove them from their servers, that these large ISP's would block their users from accessing ALL sites hosted by these small ISP's, which would effectively put them out of business. Obviously they had no choice but to comply or be run out of business, so they shut down the two sites.

This action was set up over a period of months by "someone" sending out large amonts of spam email "spoofed" to appear to come from Mark and Cathy's sites, which generated large numbers of complaints which were the basis for the action taken against them - although Mark and Cathy had nothing to do with these emails, and in fact had contacted the FBI to help track down the source of this phony spam mail. The FBI "never made any progress" on the case, although the phony spamming continued for several months. An independednt consultant working on Mark and Cathy's behalf discovered that the spam mail originated from a .gov internet address, although he has apparently not been able to pinpoint it more closely. According to Mark and Cathy, in responding to protests lodged against the big ISP's who initiated this action, they (the corporate ISP's) acknowledged that they are aware that the spam mail did not really originate from the Trance-Formation websites, and knew of the pending FBI investigation into its real sources, but they "do not care because they don't want to deal with the complaints."

So there you have it - once again the powers that be have effectively stopped dissent cold through surreptitious means, without giving the defendants anything firm to oppose or any way of effectively bringing their case to the public. This is exactly what they did with regard to Mark and Cathy's book and their documented criminal case against the CIA, both of which directly accuse specific high government officials including our current President and Vice-President (Bush and Cheney) and former President Clinton of specific heinous crimes including rape, torture, physical assault, drug dealing, extortion, and many others of which Cathy was either the victim or a direct personal witness (and in many cases an unwilling mind-controlled participant) in the crimes. If these officials were innocent,it would be the simplest matter in the world to take Mark and Cathy to court and have them locked up for life for vicious libel - but they have NOT done so, which is the most damning evidence of all. Rather, they have invoked the National Security Act of 1947 granting them immunity from prosecution in cases involving "national security." (This is not just hearsay, I have actual copies of the court records where this immunity was invoked against Mark and Cathy's criminal charges.)

If you read Mark and Cathy's book and read the very specific allegations they make against specific individuals listing names, dates, places, circumstances, and unblievably hideous crimes, you will know immediately that no innocent person would allow such charges to go unchallenged. But that is exactly what has happened. Rather than challenging their charges directly, which would give them a day in court and public attention, they have been silently shut out from mainstream media, their charges evaded on grounds of "national security," and their websites shut down through underhanded means rather than direct accusation of any wrongdoings. These are some real scary bastards we are all up against.

No further update on what I might be doing to help them, or how we might help from this site. Those decisions must ultimately be Mark and Cathy's, and as you might imagine they have a lot to weigh in deciding how to move forward from here. I'll keep you all posted the moment I have any new information. Thanks again for all the love and support.

Love,
Greg

Your guys govenrment departments are a nigthmare...ours are not quite so bad...if there was illegal stuff (including antic secretes act..and classified tends to fall into national security as armed forces etc or actual spying) they would just arrest and be done but if it was just anti govenerment then there would be no action per sey (to my knowledge).

Well I truely hope you can be of some help, one would think that they could get an international ISP who might be more sympathetic...we often get stuff published here that couldn't be in the US and I'm sure the same goes the other way around.

One concern though, what if they you do host their stuff...would the large ISP's black ball this site as well?

Lov n hugs

Lis

Love and prayers...for everyone...
Virginia/Rainbow~

I strongly believe in freedom of speech and after reading Greg's post above and finding out that Cathy and Mark's website has been shut down I did a search on one of my links
http://www.internetlawweb.com/index.htm

to find any legalities of closing a web site and censorship.

Due to exams at school this week I did not have much time to finish the search. But I did a search on Cathy O'Brien on the above site and I found some very good links below regarding Cathy and Mark that some of you may find interesting.

Sabra

Here are the links:
http://www.leadingedgenews.com/cathyo.html
http://www.projectfreedom.cng1.com/mind_control_out_of_control.html
http://www.vegan.swinternet.co.uk/articles/conspiracies/cathyandmark.html

This is actually HOW they will be able to infringe on what were once our so-called "rights".

Some of the most worried people out there right now,are US vets..ANYTHING they say,that is deemed anti-government,can be used against them..and there is even a death penalty if found guilty. Its under the category of treason. I am in contact on a daily basis with a vet,and we are considering using encrypted messages,which he can program,in order to continue these type of discussions.
This is getting serious,and strictly because of times of war,hidden under the "terrorism" name,there isnt a damn thing anyone can do.

No, you are not sounding like a broken record ... sometimes it takes a couple of times before some of us get the point.

"but in times of war, ALL rules,laws and regulations fly out the window." Your statement instantly reminds me of the Vietnam war.

I am a veteran (US Air Force - 5 years) myself (post-Vietnam) and there was some anti-government talk here and there. I don't recall any threat of treason, but I do remember "talking back" (my Aries sun outspokenness) to a superior officer and I got reamed for it. I guess that is anti-government since the military represents the government. Now that I am out of the military I know I could get into deep doo doo if I talk about or sell anything that is classified, but as far as anti-government talk, I haven't gone to prison yet.

Speaking of anti-government ... since I am from Israel I have been following the news regarding the war. There are Israeli reservists that have been called in for active duty but are going to jail because they are protesting the war. There were signs "Hell no, we won't go". I wonder if they burnt any draft cards? Sorry for the tangent.

"there isnt a damn thing anyone can do" I somewhat disagree with your statement. Again, reminds me of the Vietnam era. If it wasn't for the 60's protest's I believe the war would have lasted a lot longer. The key is to inform as many people as possible and get it all out in the open.

Sabra

Maria

Speaking of encryption, Aries, for anyone who is interested in enabling totally secure person-to-person communication, I strongly recommend PGP. This is a public key encryption program that is available free in the public domain from M.I.T. at MIT PGP site. You can also buy a commercial version with a few more bells and whistles at www.pgp.com, but the freeware version is equally secure. The program allows you to encrypt any message so that what goes out looks like total garbage, which can only be decrypted by the specific person you send it to. For example, the text of this message (up to this point) encrypted with my own public key, looks like this:

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With a 4096 bit key (which I use) it would take the world's most powerful supercomputer working full time for well over a year to decrypt this message, so it's pretty secure! It also includes a facility to let you "sign" a message, so the recipient can be absolutely sure that the message came from you and was not altered (whether encrypted or not). For the benefit of anyone who is interested in communicating in this way, I am including my own public key in my signature, and if anyone wants to send or post theirs I will be happy to use them for private messages or emails.

Love,
Greg

Luv,
Rainbow~

Yes Rainbow..sadly enough it IS coming to this..

Sabra,Im sorry I forgot to welcome you here also..thats great you joined us..and my heart goes out to you ..being from Israel you probably have many concerns.

Thank you both for the warm welcome!! This site is surely a treasure where one can freely express and exchange ideas in the forums. So many diverse opinions and backgrounds. Yes Aries, many concerns regarding Israel and a lot of mixed emotions.

- Greg

I like your explanation also. I couldn't have said it better. I always read that history is cyclical and keeps repeating itself albeit at different levels. One would think that if we learned any lessons from that era or previous periods that it could be applied to today's events.

Sabra

HI!!!! ...Welcome!

Couple of things I want to throw into the circle here.....

First of all...if I wander from point to point.....more than usual....just keep up...ok?...hahahahaha...oh no, I really mean to say, I humbly apologize....heeeheeee...

I have been doing the floor show for too many days in a row now....and I am really having a hard time staying on task...so bear with me.......aqua moon and all......

So much is coming at me so fast from so many directions....does anyone else feel like that?
I mean....I go to church...hhhhmmm...not the comfort zone I am needing right now.....then I come here......and I understand WHY I am nervous....( I tell you earth signs are feeeeeeeeeeeeeeling it like a horse can sense an earthquake)...so I go to the news sources to try to understand more....but I don't trust them....so I go to my friend Richard.....and I find he is uptight too....Richard does not get uptight.

Richards ass was in the jungle swamps when LBJ stopped the bombings in Nam.....

he doesn't get uptight about these things.

I called him right after GW was done with his speech yesterday...there was no comfort in what he had to say.

I am trying so hard right now to see the big picture everywhere.....and all around me in my 'real life' are people with blinders on...hurtling thru their lives...pretending everything is ok...when NOTHING feels ok....and I can feel that they feel it too........but they don't seem to be...oh....at one with the feeling you know?

There are so many symbols and signals and signs ....and the message is so profoundly simple...and complicated all at once......theres not one thing is this world....NOT ONE that could not be fixed...by LOve....pure and simple love of each other.....Love brings with it respect and understanding and acceptance of differences.....

and it all sounds good...then you go out there...into the world with the people and their blinders and their SUV's and cell phones......and you think.....'I can't love this asshole!'...and you consider jamming on your brakes and making a new car color with the tailgater on the phone in the car behind you.......

I LOL at the survey that came out about rudeness in America.....oh man......rude? US? hahah U.S?....hey! What was your first clue Sherlock?

*ebonics* "Oh man....U Dumb!"

My Libra goes wildly back and forth from...we can fix this....we all have the right idea....Love...truth...acceptance...forgiveness...it's all there in our hearts ready to be unleashed with Love floodgates...all around our little corners of the world...and it will spread and grow...and everything will be fine.......

then the see saw slams my hiney on the ground...and I'm thinking......this is hopeless......everyone wants to be right...no ones wants to give a little...everyone wants to blame everyone else...no one wants to take responsibility for their own choices......

I blabber on...because I am curious...if this crazy fluctuation of emotions is happening to anyone else...or do I need to have my estrogen evaluated again?

Love and Peace....and 3rd eye's all around...I'm buyin'

Dani

And every morning I remember, "God is the one being who can draw good out of evil." And DOES it. Over and over again. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery. No doubt God WISHES they'd risen above their envy for the baby of the family, although, of course, knock yourself in the forehead, God KNEW they were going to do this, but there was always the chance they would have chosen differently. But no. So Joseph goes into slavery in Egypt. So God "raises"" him there, to become Pharoah's favorite. So the slaves all benefit and get fed. So when he re-encounters his brothers, they quake, and he just loves them.

Over and over and over again. Where evil appears, grace appears more abundantly. It's like that story of the scorpion and the Buddhist priest that Tinkerbell posted awhile ago. It's the scorpion's nature to sting even the one who rescues it. It's God's nature to provide new life. Not always to rescue, but always to add another heaping helping of Good to the equation. Enough to allow people of good will to join it -- let their heart light shine with it -- and RISE!!!

It ain't over. Aries can blow raspberries at me if she wants , but it ain't over. God rose within me this morning, and if God can do it, I will begrudgingly, peevishly, nastily, but eventually, follow. "You see, we don't back down from no trouble. We do get up in the morning." Been awhile since I sang Neil Young around here.

Take heart, Dani, and I will too!
Maria

Maria..Dani...all we can do is LOVE, I guess..*sigh*

Love,
Rainbow~