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#117786 - 07/08/02 03:32 PM A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram
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I recently listened to an interview with scientist Stephen Wolfram. I thought it very interesting...

I've not had a chance to delve into his website ... nevertheless, I thought it would be interesting to share...

Here's his website - http://www.stephenwolfram.com/

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#117787 - 07/08/02 04:46 PM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: MS AVC]
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I recently did some research of John Nash (fascinating - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/nash/ ) ... in which I found some correlation...
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#117788 - 07/09/02 02:29 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: MS AVC]
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Hi Frances

That was a very interesting link about Stephen Wolfram. Started at 12 and honored at 20. WOW!
I'll check the other one next.

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#117789 - 07/09/02 05:37 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Libra_Sun]
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DARN! Now I have to go out and spend 45 bucks for the book!

Thanks for this, Frances! I'm a long-time fan of Wolfram's cellular automata theories, and I've used his Mathematica program a lot, but I hadn't heard about his new book. I want to his website and browsed the sample pages, and WOW!

Looks like he's on the same page as the fractal/chaos theory folks, but taken it to a whole new level. If this work holds up it really is revolutionary, because it will for the first time provide a common mathematical model for studying phenomena as varied as physics, biology and psychology ... a real integrative leap for science!

I think it's so neat that there is so much intellectual excitement these days about the holistic worldview and the effect it's having on the "hard" sciences. It generally takes some time before the dominant scientific paradigm filters into popular awareness, but the fact that so many scientists are abandoning the mechanistic, linear causality that was science's bedrock "faith" for centuries is such a positive sign.

I am reading an extraordinary book right now, by Ken Wilber (best known for his brilliant work in Transpersonal Psychology), called "A Theory of Everything" -- and the title is no exaggeration! Very heady stuff.

Love,
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#117790 - 07/09/02 06:24 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Gregory]
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- Frances
Thanks for the link. This is great. As Cristina and Greg said, "WOW!" Did you see that movie about John Nash?

- Greg
Because you mentioned it, I also went to the Mathematica program link. The student version costs 90% less than the professional version and is identical in functionality!

To bad this technology and software wasn't around when my father was alive. As a nuclear physicist, he would have loved this software. I recall him using a sliderule and an ink pen to do most of those computations.

To say that Stephen Wolfram is a physics whiz is an understatement. Need to do some more exploring at his site.

Sabra


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#117791 - 07/09/02 06:48 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Sabra]
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Yeah, it's strange Sabra. I remember learning to use a slide rule and being soo proud of myself! Now you can't buy one any more -- they're all museum pieces! None of my kids even knows what a slide rule IS. How weird is that?

I know, the student version of Mathematica is the bargain of the century, if you have an interest in math. Actually there is one tiny difference - the print-outs have "student version" written in small print across the bottom of the page!

I had a favorite uncle who was a nuclear physicist and worked at Oak Ridge. Where did your Dad work?

There are some correlations between Wolfram and Nash, Frances. Different areas of math entirely, but both working on integrative paradigms. A Beautiful Mind is a beautiful movie!

Love,
Greg

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#117792 - 07/09/02 03:04 PM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Gregory]
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neat synchro-- I was reading today at www.crimsoncircle.com, which contains the writings of an entity named Tobias-- really deeply resonant writings! Anyway-- I check it once in awhile. The last channel spoke about 'quad math' and how we will begin to see a focus on '4' instead of 'two' in our perception of reality-- what does that mean? Instead of yin/yang we'll be perceiving yin/yon/yang/yung??? The channel referred people to the work of Stephen Wolfram as an example of this. Neat, huh? I never saw the name before yesterday & now Ive come across it twice just like that!!! Something about-- how the energy of the 4 builds on the energy of 3 which comes from 2. . .oooooooow! I've been just trying to read the dancing Wu Li Masters for over a year now. . . The only scince writers I've ever been able to dig were Paul Davies and Kary Mullis. . . Greg do you think a layperson could handle the book you mentioned "Theory of Everything?" Or do I need to keep learning the basics? Why is it easier for me to understand the ideas behind quantum mechanics than simple science basics?????????
In any event, just thought I'd recommend crimsoncircle.com-- its a very interesting site. I got a B+ in Astronomy but my poor prof had to go over every formula with me several times-- I HAVE to get better at mathematics and formulas!!! Just HAVE to!!!!

Love & Light,
Jennifer

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#117793 - 07/09/02 06:04 PM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Triple Cardinal]
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Hey Jenn, I think the reason "basic science" seems harder than quantum mechanics ( ) is just that the basic science texts are so "cast in iron" based on old thinking, so they tend to take a rote and unimaginative approach, whereas the new physics is written about with a more contemporary view, more imagination. You might want to search up a good history of mathematics text (like Bell) that's written by a mathematician who really love his subject and can bring it alive for you. That certainly happened with me, I HATED math when I was in school, and came fairly close to flunking it, because it was just so boring and mechanical, but later met a math professor who thought it was poetry and managed to convey that. Now I love math.

I do think you could understand A Theory of Everything - it's written in an academic style, but doesn't really assume any technical mastery of of traditional subjects, and Ken Wilber's an excellent writer. However, as an introduction to his thinking, you might find The Atman Project a better first contact with him.

I'll go check out the link you posted - don't you just love synchronicities like that?

Love,
Greg

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#117794 - 07/09/02 06:53 PM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Gregory]
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Thanks Greg

next time I go book shopping. . . .


Some of the stuff at crimsoncircle can come off as woo-woo. . . but it always seems to strike a chord. I heard of it through the Kryon website-- and the Kryon work is other stuff I've followed-- but this type of extreme multi-dimensional thinking can give me a massive headache & leave me needing a nap to integrate. This is what happened with me & the Pleidian channelings first time I read them-- I threw the book across the room and then hid it in a box in the garage. It FREAKED me. Then, little by little by little, my mind was able to think in new ways ( even if I don't take the channelings any more literally than I take the Bible) I do believe in channels and such. . .I really do. But. . .my open mind does have a screen on it. . .only so much at once, you know what I mean? I guess Conscious Evolution is all about knowing when to pace yourself, and when to run ahead.

( all this just in case someone follows that link and then thinks I led them waaaaaayyyyy off the beaten path. . . Discernment is key!! Right? Right.

Love & Light,
Jennifer

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#117795 - 07/10/02 03:47 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Triple Cardinal]
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My goodness, the excitement makes me a bit giddy!! I'm going to reserve my general thoughts and comments on this stuff for the moment while I continue to take it in...

Christina, glad you checked it out... Looks like both Wolfram and Nash had a big year at 20 ... as it seems so many people do... Twenty seems a pretty significant age in general. It occured to me to read Linda's definition of compound number 20 (Star Signs). Here's part of it...

"The Awakening

In addition to being called "the Awakening," this Compound number is also pictured by the anchient Chaldeans as "The Judgment." It has a peculiar interpretation, and is symbolized as "a winged angel, sounding a trumpet, while from beloew, a man, woman, and child are seen arising from a tomb, with their hands clasped in prayer." At some time in the experience of the person or entity represented by the number 20, there is a powerful awakening, bringing a new purpose, new plans, new ambitions --- the call to action for some great cause or ideal. There may be occasional delays and obstacles to one's plans, but these may be conquered through developing patience (the challenge of the number 20) and by continually cultivating faith in one's own powers to transform. 20 brings the blessing of vivid precogvitive dreams, plus the ability to manifest the happy ones and cancel the negative ones. "

Greg, this "stuff" obviously strikes a chord with you. Wow, thanks for the info. My mind is whirling! The Theory of Everything - hmmm that sounds familiar ?? I'm going to look it up. I've not read anything by Ken Wilber. About correlations between Wolfram and Nash - I'd been thinking that I couldn't put my finger on just what it is I noticed. There is quite a lot of difference there. As I was listening to the Wolfram interview, I kept flashing on Nash?! It was mostly an intuitive sense. I haven't studied math extensively though I've always been very tuned in to it on some level or another. BTW the math professor you mentioned sounds like quite an inspiration! Wish I'd've had a math teacher like that, back when..

Sabra, I haven't seen the movie yet, and I'd sure like to! at first I didn't even know A Beautiful Mind was about Nash. What I did see though was the biography - A Brilliant Madness - on PBS. It was fascinating enough that I went online for more info, happened upon his birthdate then set to "recifying" his natal chart. He certainly led an interesting life and thankfully much of it is accounted for. I got to wondering how the planetary transits played in his "mental illness" - how and why he went in and out of these episodes, etc. Anyhow, downright fascinating!

Jennifer, wow, that is a neat synchro! And that "quad math" and yin/yon/yang/yung sounds so ! I have to say, I know what you mean about reading those types of channelings you mentioned. Someone sent me The Pleaidian Agenda and I definetely had to set my mind to digesting what I read. BTW I couldn't get your link to work, so I looked up crimsoncircle....I haven't had a chance to really read anything there yet ... it does sound interesting and I'll check it out.

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#117796 - 07/10/02 04:00 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: MS AVC]
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Another excellent book and an EASY read..

The Spiritual Universe: How Quantum Physics Proves the Existence of the Soul
by Fred Alan Wolf

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#117797 - 07/11/02 04:59 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Aries]
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Greg,

To answer your question above ...

If you are talking about the Oak Ridge National Laboratory where your uncle worked, by dad was only about 160 miles West, where he taught at Vanderbilt University and Peabody College. Small world, eh .

After that, he worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Laboratory at Fort Knox. He worked with microwave and laser radiation dosimetry. Also with nuclear magnetic and electron spin resonance.

Then he did feasibility studies on using lasers and electron beams at American Standard Laboratories. All this was in the early to mid 1960's. Yeah, they had lasers back then .

His last two places of employment was at the National Lead Company of Ohio (now called Fernald). Then at the Westinghouse Astronuclear Laboratory in Pittsburgh.


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#117798 - 07/11/02 05:45 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Sabra]
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One and the same, Sabra. Small world indeed!

Westinghouse, huh? I remember thinking when CBS and Westinghouse merged that CBS became the first TV network with nuclear strike capability!

Yes, Aries! Fred Wolf is great, one of the first quantum physicist mystics! And the granddaddy of this thought form (in terms of popular presentation) is Fritjof Capra's "The Tao of Physics." That one really set my mind on fire when I first read it in 1975!!

TC, I too am wary of channeled information ... or that's not quite true, because I do think a lot of it contains a lot of real information and useful insights, but I'm wary of the "authority" that some folks attach to channeled messages. Like all information from higher realms, such messages are "translated" into language that is comprehensible to the chenneler and the listeners, so different entities can describe tha same reality in many different ways ... as Linda always emphasized, it's good to put all spiritual information, wherever it comes from, to the test of your own higher s-Elf, rather than accepting it uncritically. But if you can do that, there is some amazing information coming through in this way.

Love,
Greg

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#117799 - 07/11/02 03:50 PM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Gregory]
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I know what you're saying Greg. Sometimes it seems to me the need to exercise such discernment makes things all the clearer. It re-minds you what you deep down know to be true. And often your perceptions are able to expand at the same time

The biggest test for me is when I know that the info is just a bit off-- what frightens me is the idea that some people may buy in wholeheartedly. For example with the Kryon work. First time I read it, there was mention of a 'karmic implant' which people could 'ask' for, and thus be voided of all karmic attributes and made new in order to be lightworkers in the New Age. Okay this idea made me ill. The idea that karma could be implanted etc etc-- but it was just the way it was phrased. The more I thought about it-- it was kind of a way of saying 'you can intend to work with the law of Grace' in your life. But the lingo of a lot of channels is very pseudo-scientific, extra-terrestrial-- lot of words like 'implant', 'interfere' and such that can create mega fear reactions and trigger neuroses. However, why this freaks me as opposed to say the idea of an angelic being perhaps appearing to assist in a spiritual healing-- its all a question of language and deciphering the symbols to suit your current ability to perceive reality. . .Am I making sense? For the most part, I lay off the channelings, but sometimes its as if I'm inexorably drawn to them. . .and when that happens, usually there is some tidbit of info that I truly needed just then. . . some puzzle piece, some new perspective. Its odd, isn't it?


MS AVC, thanks for the reminder about "20". I was 20 when I re-discovered Spirit.

Love Jennifer

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#117800 - 07/12/02 03:11 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Triple Cardinal]
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It's nice to see all the brilliant minds here, but *sigh* sheese it makes me feel soooo inconsequental, cuz you see, math, of any kind, was my worst subject...sigh*..(I was really proud that I know 3+3= 6......*sigh*)....but on a brighter note, I DO know that Vanderbilt University is in Nashville...(isn't it? )

Lovingly,
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#117801 - 07/12/02 03:47 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Rainbow]
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but you KNOW HAL and I think thats so much more impressive

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#117802 - 07/13/02 08:53 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Aries]
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Strange you should say that, Aries, cuz it was on my way to Hal's fan club party, that I drove past Vanderbilt University....

*sigh*...(you're cute)

Luv,
Rainbow~

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#117803 - 07/14/02 02:34 AM Re: A New Kind of Science - Stephen Wolfram [Re: Rainbow]
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I don't mean to take this, too far off the track, but Aries, I just wanted you to know that I saw the Hal on the Grand Ole Opry tonight...*sigh*...(he's still got it)....

Luv,
Rainbow~

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