I'm boohoo-ing over this. We need more college professor/grass-roots organizers who'll stand alone for the little guy and who are willing to be the "beating heart" of their political parties. GD airplanes.

Love,
Maria

Sen. Wellstone Dies in Plane Crash
10 minutes ago

EVELETH, Minn. (AP) - Sen. Paul Wellstone, an outspoken liberal Democrat locked in a re-election battle considered key to control of the Senate, was killed in a plane crash Friday in northern Minnesota along with his wife, daughter and five others.

The twin-engine private plane went down in freezing rain and light snow near the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport, about 175 miles north of Minneapolis. The cause of the crash was under investigation.

Wellstone, a 58-year-old former college professor and one of the foremost liberals on Capitol Hill, was on his way to the funeral of the father of a state lawmaker.

"It's just terrible. Say a prayer," said Lisa Pattni, an aide who was at the crash site.

All eight people aboard the 11-seat King Air A-100 were killed, said Greg Martin, spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites). Campaign officials confirmed the victims also included Wellstone's wife, Sheila, and daughter, Marcia; three campaign staff members; and two pilots.

Wellstone's death just 11 days before Election Day threw the battle for the Senate into uncharted territory. Before Friday, Democrats held control by a single seat.

State officials were researching whether Wellstone's name would remain on the ballot, or whether independent Gov. Jesse Ventura or state Democrats could appoint a replacement to serve in the upcoming lame-duck session of Congress between Election Day and the arrival of new members.

State law allows the governor to fill a vacant Senate seat, but also allows a political party to appoint a replacement in the event of a death of a nominee. The name must be offered within seven days of the death and at least four days before an election.

Shaken Democratic officials wouldn't immediately comment on possible replacements, though party spokesman Bill Amberg said he was confident the party would be allowed to offer a replacement. Rebecca Yanisch, the state trade commissioner who ran for Senate in 2000, indicated she might be interested.

Two years ago, Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan (news - web sites) was killed in a plane crash three weeks before Election Day while running for the Senate. Carnahan's name remained on the ballot and he beat Republican Sen. John Ashcroft (news - web sites). Carnahan's widow, Jean, was appointed to serve in his place and is now seeking election to a full term against Republican Jim Talent.

Wellstone was up against Republican Norm Coleman, a former mayor of St. Paul and President Bush (news - web sites)'s choice to challenge the two-term incumbent. A Coleman spokesman, Ben Whitney, said: "Our prayers are with the Wellstone family. That's all I'm going to say."

Ventura said flags at state buildings would be flown at half-staff through Nov. 5. In Texas, Bush called Wellstone "a man of deep convictions."

"He was a plainspoken fellow who did his best for his state and for his country," the president said. "May the good Lord bless those who grieve."

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., called Wellstone the "soul of the Senate. He was one of the most noble and courageous men I have ever known."

Before running for office, Wellstone was a professor and community organizer who fused the two passions in a course he taught at Carleton College in Northfield called "Social Movements and Grassroots Organizing."

He stunned the political establishment by knocking off Republican Sen. Rudy Boschwitz with a longshot bid for office in 1990. Afterward, left-leaning Mother Jones magazine called him "the first 1960s radical elected to the U.S. Senate."

Wellstone had pledged to stay for no more than two terms, but last year, he announced he would be running again. In February, he announced he had been diagnosed with a mild form of multiple sclerosis but he said it wouldn't stop his campaign.

"For me, no stress would be stress," Wellstone said at the time. "The stress of this campaign is what I want to do, to be perfectly honest. And the stress of being a senator is what I want to do."

State Democratic Party chairman Mike Erlandson said Wellstone for years had been "the heartbeat" of the party.

"He took pride every day in fighting on behalf of the people of Minnesota," he said.

Liberal to the end, Wellstone cast his vote earlier this month against legislation to authorize the use of force in Iraq — the only Democrat in a competitive race to go against Bush on the issue.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) and United Nations (news - web sites) Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) both called Wellstone a champion of peace.

"He was a profoundly decent man, a man of principle, a man of conscience," Annan said.

"Wellstone stood up for the little guy," added AFL-CIO President John Sweeney. "He was tireless and unapologetic for championing the rights of working men and women — even when he stood alone, and he often did."

Wellstone also had two sons, David and Mark, and six grandchildren.

The King Air turboprop was made by Raytheon Corp. with Pratt & Whitney engines, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. The owner was listed as Beech Transportation Inc. of Eden Prairie, Minn., and the plane had been leased by Wellstone.
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Ive been listening to this on CNN Maria..it certainly sounds like he WAS TRULY a decent politician! Sad those kind have to leave us.

Sigh. This is sad and discouraging. I had not followed his career and really know nothing about him, but the few words said by others speak volumes. The loss of any principled public official is a real loss to the world. Thanks for posting this.

Love,
Greg

Does anyone have any feelings about this plane crash.?
Im trying to do some chart work,but cant concentrate as Im also listening to everything about this man on CNN. He sounds like one of the more honest politicians,and he REALLY cared! He stood up for a lot not only for the underdog, but the medically(physically) disabled including the mentally ill.
"He was a champion who spoke out for the "little guy",in a business dominated by big business"
I keep thinking about a remote viewer I heard on the Bell show 2 weeks ago who spoke of himself and a group of his colleagues "seeing" a dark group out to murder a well known politician. He wouldnt mention who is was,for fear of his own safety which has been threatened in the past.

Call me paranoid, but I just dont like the sound of this...Especially when the news got to the part he was one who voted AGAINST going into Iraq.

Why do bad things happen to good people? I fail to understand this.

I know life can be so unfair at times but I just can't accept "it was meant to be" or anything similar to that effect as an answer or explanation. My heart goes out to all the family's relatives. Another sad and tragic event.

I remember when Sen. Wellstone first ran. At the time a lot of people, especially politicians (even in his own party) thought of him as a laughing stock. He never wanted to be thought as a politician but rather as a person who sincerely wanted to help the less fortunate. He always had the courage to speak his mind in the senate. In the last few years both political parties grew to respect and admire him quite a bit.

Maria, thank you for posting this and letting us know. I didn't know this had just happened. He will sorely be missed. We need more people like him.


Sabra

I have to admit it crossed my mind, Aries. Wellstone was also a staunch environmentalist who filibustered Bush & Co.'s arctic wildlife refuge oil-drilling plans, and, perhaps more importantly with regard to the dark forces question, he was a fierce critic of the Bush administration's cozying up with the government of Columbia (in supposed anti-drug programs) because the government of Columbia is ever-so-cozy with right-wing paramilitary death squads responsible for huge amounts of torture and death in that country. The Catholic Church has done a lot to expose the responsibility of South American governments, military and paramilitary, often with ties to the U.S., in the killings and horrible human rights violations of the people of those lands. Wellstone was keyed into that knowledge. He condemned as bogus an FBI report on the "suicide" of a Minnesota priest who was a human rights champion in Kenya, who had received plenty of death threats and then was found shot to death. As I said, the FBI called that murder "suicide."

I have read of too many highly suspicious small-plane "accidents" to entirely rule out the possibility of murder. But then again, the senator and his family were going to a funeral, which is not something planned terribly far in advance, and freezing rain has got to be dangerous weather for small planes. It could well have been complete accident.

The control of the Senate hanging in the balance raises my suspicion levels though.

Sigh.

Maria

This is sad news...

I hadn't heard of him before either, but in listening to the news coverage and reading the article here, it seems very tragic. Well it's tragic when anyone dies in a plane crash, but this guy really did sound unique.

I also had some suspiscous thoughts cross my mind about the nature of this accident when I was reading the above. Unfortunately, if it was a sinister murder plot, I'd doubt we'd ever know anyway. Though I heard that remote viewer too, Aries - which does raise the suspiscon level uncomfortably high. Sigh....

Love,
Terri

PS - At least we can think that this guy is now working unfettered by human constraints on the 'other side' Maybe he can accomplish more over there...

Put on CNN if you guys have it..a friend is giving a speech..very sad,he cant contain himself.

If anyone happens to come across Paul Wellstones birth data..please post.
Thanks.

Yes, I too feel like this was a GOOD and DECENT man and that's probably why he's no longer with us.

Believe me if you search the net there are already many articles on how this affects the "balance of power". IF there IS free will why are soooo many of the Lightworkers leaving right now???

I don't like what my "gut" has to say about this one.

I don't either, Peggy ... and I haven't said anything because it's only the gut with nothing objective behind it. But the timing and the balance of power and the small plane ... well, I'm keeping my eyes open for further information, and it looks like a lot of other folks are feeling uneasy about this one too.

Love,
Greg

Hi Aries,

His birthdata is July 21, 1944, Arlington, Virginia. There wasn't a time mentioned. He was born just a day before me!

Peggy,

This is so sad, I also had a "gut" reaction when I first heard the news. I feel so bad for his remaining children and the families of all the others involved.

Donna

Thanks Donna! I figured you'de be the one with the data
Lots of Leo in him. First glance I notice the moon was cj. his natal uranus that day.(north node off by a couple of degrees in that cj) The venus Rx was involved in a square to his natal venus/pluto conjunction in Leo.
The full moon in Aries earlier in the week also squared his natal sun/node conjunction.

Astrology = hindsight 20/20

Donna,

Where did you find the info ? Just curious in case there might be someone else that needs looking up. I spent over 2 hours last night searching up and down the web and databanks with various search engines so I could get the birth data for Aries. Then I was going to start again today till I just saw your post.


Sabra

You're welcome, Aries!!

I have to tell you, I truly didn't know who he was when I saw it on the news because I don't follow politics very closely, but seeing the announcements, it made me feel very sad and heartsick. The first thing I did was find his birthdata. That was eerie, because our charts are almost identical. I was born the very next day, so my planets are maybe a degree further on. I have 18 degrees Scorpio Rising and Leo Moon at 29 degrees, whereas his Moon is at 12 degress Leo. I just know that I felt so connected to this man and had to find out why.

Donna

aww that was nice of you Sabra! thanks. I had a feeling Donna may come up with it. I think she must have 2000 birth datas in her memory bank..lol

oops,I crossed your post there Donna. Well the connection would be understandable!. I have recently encountered 2 charts for the exact same day, and to say BIZARRE as well as KARMIC is an understatement..but thats a whole other topic!

Hi Sabra,

I put "Paul Wellstone birthday" in the Google search and this is what I came up with--

http://news.mpr.org/collections/campaign2002/senate/wellstone.shtml

Donna

Aries, yep, I probably do have that much in my memory bank, can't help myself.
Yes, I feel the karmic ties, I have been reading about him, we echo each other in ideals, etc, I fight for the "little guy" in my line of work, nursing, and I fight for the nursing aids all the time.

Sabra, ach, I know how frustrating it can be on the search engines, the first time I put "Paul Wellstone birthdata" and what I got was topics on partial abortion politics. So, I put the word birthday in and voila, it came right up. I guess search engines just can't read our minds.

Donna

hi Peggy, I couldnt help but reply to your question about Lightworkers leaving. Of course we have free will...but there is also an ultimate "destiny" for mankind. I feel that destiny is about evolution.
Some people here,and other places,dont seem to see the significant "connections" when it comes to what prophecy, free will, destiny, etc, is about. I can forgive that, because so many of them havent truly undertaken the study to "see" it isnt about gloom and doom, (unless you are really scared of death and all the horrible things one may have done in their lifetime.) The bible definitely talked of good people being killed,etc for what they stood up for...and indeed we are coming even more into that period in time. But the message of the Christ was all about how to deal with it spiritually, when and if the time came.

I think the reason Im so "into" astrology is because of how the tool shows all the connections between mankind, between earth and the cosmos,etc...EVEN between good and evil.
For example,..mars enery with saturn or uranus tends to be explosive...we actually see earthquakes,volcanoes and wars erupt durying heavy influences of such. The ole.."as above,so below has almost a double entendre meaning at times. A double entendre in prophecy is basically 2 or more ways of looking at, or 2 meanings of a prophecy which all fit the said prophecy.

In the case of deaths, such as Wellstone, but maybe.. say one more like Chandra Levy, where her chart definitely showed the strong liklihood of foul play, and being tied up in an obssessive/compulsive relationship with an unavailable man...wouldnt it seem believable the forces of good(light) and evil(dark are working together? A chart almost showing death, along WITH that death being murder. And yet she MUST have picked this for herself,along with others aid.

Again, the message of the Christ being knowing righteousness and not being bogged down in the pits of hellish "FREE WILL choices, vs. glorious "kingdom within" FREE WILL choices.

I dont know if anyone has heard in the past of Billy Meier..but he is said to have had contact with the Pleiadians back in the 70s. Now, since I havent seen any of these aliens..yes,its really hard to imagine they exist..(although NOT on another dimension it isnt!). But I gotta say, the man has batted almost a thousand with his past prophecies. Probably the main one being the attack on the WTC, in which he said.."would see America invade many lands in the name of "peace" in the fight against terrorism." This,he spoke of back in the early 80s!. You cant hide from that. His prophecies for the future,given by these Pleidians are very bleak..but they run a direct parallel to biblical and others. He said these aliens told him WE CAN alter the outcome...with behaving better to our fellow man,etc..and that we will NOT have outside help from the aliens. Its up to us.
Sadly...we have already cut into many of these prophecies,which we COULD have prevented. This doesnt make the outcome sound too positive.

Anyway, the main idea,being its about connections, and just sticking with the "plan" of knowing what is right,vs. what is wrong, as there is truly a dark force out there fighting for this planet..that force can be as close as WITHIN if we allow it (and possibly without..but only we have the power to change within first!)

Yes,it may mean many Lightworkers leave..sad enough.

Donna, you might be one whos heard of Meier..the man who has the rights to his work was on Art Bell the other night..and since I know you have read some of the Sitchin material..you may be interested in this site...with the book of the same name..

www.andyettheyfly.com

Thanks Donna .

I used Google for this search also. I tried "Paul Wellstone birth" and then tried "Paul Wellstone birthplace" and other variations. All my results were partial abortion politics also. Didn't think to use the obvious: "birthday" , lol. Wellstone is a rare surname also, so I didn't think it would have been to challenging of a search.

Thanks for the tip .


Sabra

Hey guys...GREAT show on this station right now,talking about Wellstone and will be talking about the sniper..this is the "other side" which you wont hear on other stations...You can download and listen NOW..(how the forces of the Free Masons, "Illuminati,anti-christ,big brother..etc come into all this) It will be on a while,not a short broadcast.
"the plane fell out of the sky because of ice..yea right!"

www.mojoradio.com

Hey guys...add me to the list of people who's first thought was 'it was no accident'.....

My father was a pilot.....any plane that can carry that many passengers..not to mention the 'who's who ' of the list...would be completely updated with the latest in instruments....if the ice was that bad...they would have been re-routed.

Thats not say ice can't take out an experienced pilot...it certainly can....but it's just odd in this day and age.
Doplar made ice hard to miss......*sigh*....

He once ran a tv ad that was sped up...so he was talking real fast like a chipmonk...and he said he didn't have a lot of money for commercial time...so he'd have to talk fast...... thats my kind of sense of humor.

This is certainly sad and troubling....

Richard Harris died too..... Whaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Dani

"The devil's been busy in your backyard."

That's the line from the song that was filling my "third ear" when I first read the news and was crying about it. My psychic stuff is pretty frequently third ear stuff, probably because I'm so verbal. My memory is auditory too. I can jot down a full-paragraph quote while the speaker's saying it and get it "righter" than most reporters.

I get visual psychic stuff in dreams only. I don't "do" visions in waking time. But I get stuff in my hearing and I also receive stuff really physically in my body. Bodies are psychic vehicles. My Chiron thing says I need psychic protection. Hahaha, anybody know what that is?

The people at the airport in the little town of Virginia, Minnesota, said there WASN'T freezing rain. "A little fog, but really nothing to speak of."

I can hardly stand the irony of the FBI being in on the investigation of this plane crash, since Sen. Wellstone didn't believe the FBI's report on Father Kaiser's death. And he made a stink about it too.

The devil's been busy in your backyard. That's George Harrison-Bob Dylan-Tom Petty-Roy Orbison-Jeff Lynn (Traveling Wilburys) stuff. It's about pesticides on the golf course, sorta.

I get all goopy about the good dying young. The lightworkers. The martyrdom factor. To the point where it's almost like a damn law. And if you do good in a big way and escape the curse, you're really doing something.

Saint Teresa of Liseaux (don't know if I spelled her right) said what Terri said. She said she was going to be working so much more effectively from the other side, pouring roses down on us from heaven.

Hearts and flowers everyone. Maybe with all this newfound name recognition, and people of all political stripes all over TV saying what an amazingly good guy Wellstone was, maybe some people will start thinking it would be cool to be like that. The devil stays busy but so do we.

Love you all.

Dani, thanks for coming on. I know you're busy. Sometimes I need to get a little sappy. This sap's for you.

'Ria

Hi Maria, I didnt know we had so much in common,other than our sun signs decanates,etc! lol I also have the 3rd eye/ear stuff happening as well as visions in dreams, so can really resonate with what you posted..
I totally understand the body thing...do you vibrate or get cold-type chills/shakes when you hear things you know arent right, or "dark",etc?.