I'm probably going to get myself in trouble here with some people, but this has bugged me for a long time, so I think I'll bring it up and let the chips fall where they may.

I think it's only common sense to understand that people basically act in their own self-interests, and that rich and powerful people are likely to use their wealth and power to promote their own self-interests. Where those self-interests threaten OTHER people's rights, that's where people with a moral conscience need to actively defend the threatened rights.

So I can certainly understand the perspective that wants to keep a sharp eye on what the rich and powerful may be doing to advance their own self-interested agenda and to fight against its encroachment on the individual rights of others outside that group. And I share that perspective to an extent, particularly when it comes to sufferings caused among the poor and marginalized by the wealthy and powerful, because that, to me, is just plain wrong.

Now, having said that, I also find myself thinking it's just plain dumb and wrong and creepy that there seems to also be an attitude among those most suspicious of the NWO that ANY sort of unifying movement must needs be NWO.

You know? I think it would be great if every single country in this whole world agreed that henceforth, no one would be stoned to death for having a baby out of wedlock. I think it would be great if everyone in the whole wide world agreed that everyone has a right to eat. I think it would be tremendous to have MORE cooperation for peace and abundance and rights for all. Yet everytime there is any movement toward more understanding, cooperation and tolerance among people (religions, nations, whatever) who have previously had differences with each other, somebody jumps up and says it's just another sign of the evil NWO.

Give me a break already!!! I am for cooperation and unity. I am for tolerance and "live and let live." I am for all the people sharing all the world. I am for fairness. People with the misfortune to be born in a country where laws mandate hideous punishments for small aberrations should not have to endure hideous punishments that would not be punished that way in other countries on the globe.

Unifying movement among humans, in and of itself, is NOT A SINISTER THING!!!

It makes me really frustrated when I see some people seeming to look at every movement toward peace and unity as "false" and "bad" and "NWO."

I think that does slop over into the crazy category. No man is an island. We should be joining together more, not less.

Love,
Maria

Im with you on that one Maria!!
All for one and one for all is a great concept huh?
Well, as long as this world isnt run by those with money, who are power hungry after their own lusts..and who love the idea of war-mongering.

Hey, and you thought you'de get an argument out of me? hahahahaha
..however, in the end, I do feel it is for a reason, and those who make it thru will learn to be as one..all those living in the world, as the song goes..

But before then..many tests.

Well, m'dear, the Czech Republic, and Turkey, and other republics' desire to join the European Union is NOT a bad thing. And Cardinal Bernard Law's mishandling of the archdiocese of Boston, which has been actively protested by many, many Catholics of conscience, has NOTHING to do with the absolutely impossible scenario of one world religion.

Your posting that, particularly the thing about Bernard Law, in the context you mistakenly try to cram it into, is frightening bigotry, as it seems to me.

Love ya, think you're a little nuts but also think you're kind, brave and helpful with many things...

Maria

P.S. The world has ALWAYS been, as you say, "run by those with money, who are power hungry after their own lusts..and who love the idea of war-mongering." Nothing new in THAT world order!

Maria,
I agree with what you said completely! That has been a puzzling thing to me for years!! I don't see why it HAS to be bad but I can see how it could be made self-serving by people of that mentality. But I feel like the tide is turning and people are slowly waking up and deciding they don't LIKE people like that and maybe...just maybe they'll lose their influence over the rest of us. I'd hate to admit I was a CEO in today's world. I think it's a dirty word...but I've thought that for years!

Linda's writings seemed to suggest a NWO and it sounded GOOD. It's the intention. More of us have to manifest the good will toward men and quit worshipping the almight buck!!

It's a head-scratcher, isn't it, Peggy? And, I know what you mean about CEO becoming a dirty word. Funny, huh? There are some of them who I just think, geez, do they have no shame?

And certainly some things work well at micro-levels, community levels of discussion and decision-making. But isn't the point, as the world gets smaller, to find some common human values, some ways where even groups of people who have hated one another for generations can find a mechanism through which to allow one another to exist and maybe eventually to get along? Those ways include individual heroes being peaceable with one another, but they also necessarily include group efforts and mechanisms that end up being called institutions. I agree with you about intent being the key.

Maria

Oh, cool, I'm glad to see this dialog getting past the labels and into the real issues.

I can only speak for myself of course, but as one of the staunchest opponents of the New Word Order movement AND one of the staunchest proponents of international cooperation and peace and unity, I think it is a big mistake to confuse the two, and the issue lies in a single dimension: cooperation versus coercion. Unfortunately the thing that makes this seemingly obvious distinction a confusing one is that a major strategy of the "gang" that seeks coercive power over others in the world is to present their initiatives as progress toward world peace and unity!

This is nothing new. As you pointed out so well, Maria, the world has ALWAYS been "run by those with money, who are power hungry after their own lusts..and who love the idea of war-mongering." And the rationale they have ALWAYS used to justify their imposition of force on the world has been "to bring peace." Whether you are talking about the Roman Empire, whose "divine mission" was to bring peaceful civilization to the barbarian world, or the colonial slave traders of europe who conquered and subjugated the entire world outside of europe in the name of spreading civilization, peace, law and order, and so on, this has been the way of the world. When folks say that those who believe in a New World Order "conspiracy" are credulous paranoids, they overlook the fact that the power struggles of the world have ALWAYS moved by conspiracy. This is no bizarre, radical theory, it's a simple recognition of the facts of history. People have ALWAYS been railroaded into repressive political domination through the scheming of the holders of wealth and power! Duhhh!

I don't think that anyone who understands this believes anything like "cooperation and unity = NWO = bad." I know I certainly don't.

But I do believe that there are a LOT of very clever forces in the world trying very hard to make us believe that the way to "cooperation and unity" is through the acceptance of coercion and the loss of freedom ... and that is the big lie.

The grand vision of the Communist movement was international peace and the upliftment of the downtrodden masses, and how many fervent idealists supported it! The grand vision of Naziism was the "Millennium" of peaceful rule by the master race (and how different was that from the grand vision of Cecil Rhodes and the slavers of the British East India trading company who exploited China through dope addiction and Africa through brute force in the name of world domination by "civilized British manners"?)

What is wrong with various republics' desire to join the European Union is NOT these nations cooperating with others, or others with them, far from it ... it's that the European Union (and NAFTA and the other Globalist economic unions that are planned to eventually unite into a one-world government) is another manifestation of the Roman Empire, the Communist International movement, the Western European colonial "trade companies, " etcetera ad nauseum. It is just the latest political scam for the wealthy and powerful of the world to control everyone else, pure and simple. So anything that supports these organizations and extends their power, influence and control is bad for human freedom, human peace, and the human spirit. They are not honest efforts to help people cooperate. They are scams to control people, just like Communism, just like colonialism, just like fascism. THAT's what's wrong with supporting them, not that they lead to "cooperation and unity" but precisely the opposite!

Cooperation is inherently voluntary. If people are compelled to conform to certain standards, that is not cooperation, it is coercion. And here we are once again at the central question of government: how much coercive power should government possess? The answer arrived at by the freest and most just societies that have ever existed was: as little as possible. Yes, we must give government the power to COMPEL folks not to murder each other, or steal from each other. But beyond the protection of natural rights, the more coercive power we give government, the more danger there is that such power will be used against us in a tryrannical manner ... and beyond a certain point (namely the point when we the people no longer have the ability to change our mind and take BACK the power we have delegated to government) it is a CERTAINTY that it will be used against us in a tyrannical manner. This is not any radical new political theory, these are the same realizations and issues that were debated and resolved in the creation of the US Constitution.

The European Union, like NAFTA and the whole interlocking network of Globalist organizations tied to what is currently called the "New World Order," is built on a well-articulated theory of government that is NOT democratic in nature. The goals of this group of organizations (and they are not secret, you can look them up, although they are always stated in very vague and non specific terms to sound "idealistic" while being very difficult to pin down in concrete terms) is to ultimately merge into a one-world government controlled by non-elected "administrators" who have essentially unlimited and unappealable power over both individual nations and individual human beings within all nations."

At root, this is not the least bit different from the political ideas of the Communists or the Nazis or the Fascists (not surprisingly, since the major families and fortunes behind the New World Order movement are the same families and fortunes that supported Communism and Naziism and Fascism). It boils down to the assertion: "we must control people in order to force them to be peaceful and free." The only difference is that technology is now at a level that the POWER to "control people in order to force them to be peaceful and free" is as far beyond the twentieth century experiments with those forms of totalitarianism as the nuclear bomb is above the firecracker.And this time there will be no "free world" to come to the rescue.

Yes I agree wholeheartedly that world cooperation and unity is URGENTLY needed in the world today, more than anything else. But cooperation is voluntary. It comes about through human beings choosing to work with each other, help each other, value each other. It does NOT come about by empowering international organizations to COMPEL adherance to some "wise bureaucrats" pronouncements, or by putting "benevolent international economic development" into the hands of the same international bankers and power-wielders who have financed all the wars, built all the weapons factories, and operated all the slave trading, gun running, drug dealing enterprises throughout history.

If we want to promote world peace and unity, we should do it by working voluntarily with other human beings and private organizations on a human-to-human level, out of human care and concern ... not by supporting globalist organizations seeking unprecedented global political power that SAY they are promoting peace and unity.

Have oppressors ever said anything else?

Love,
Greg

Dear Greg
...thanks for saying it better than I could have!

100 percent..you get an A on your paper of the Truth behind the NWO.!!

Im listening to a show now..."would you like your thoughts to be picked every day"? The possibilites of the implanted Chip!
Oh, I know I can hardly wait!

Well thanks, Aries, I was sweating that grade!

In fairness the other way around, I do think it's important for those who want to be a credible voice for the very real threats to human liberty and the human spirit by the "NWO" conspiracy, to be scrupulously clear when decrying the progress of this agenda, if we are not to damage our own case by excessive zeal or insufficient credulity. Tying the child molestation issues of the Boston Archdiocese to the NWO, for example, doesn't make ANY sense to me. Yes certainly it is an example of abuse of power, no doubt about that ... and as Maria pointed out, both Catholics and non-Catholics of conscience are up in arms about it ... but to suggest that there's a connection with the NWO there (or perhaps imply that the Catholic church is planning to compel the acceptance of Catholicism as the "new world religion"?) is silly, IMHO. If there's any religious heavy-handedness on the part of the globalist agenda, it is almost certainly on behalf of secularism against any religious observances (in the guise of being "fair to all") rather than promoting any world religion.

Although the other way around, I do know of some "new age religions" that explicitly support the NWO agenda. Perhaps they imagine they will rise to power or prominence with the new World Government, who knows?

Love,
Greg

No, no, Maria, you misunderstand me: the organization they are trying to get IN TO ... the European Union ... is coercive in its aims. EVERY country in it (not just these few currently trying to get in) is unfortunately supporting a coercive, tyrannically-oriented agenda.

When you say "they" see benefits to it, that would be fine if the human beings who will be affected by it are the ones who see those benefits and make those informed decisions ... but in most cases, as you know, that's not the case. Did you decide to be governed by NAFTA? Me neither!

Love,
Greg

Heh heh. Dewd, yer good.

Now in reply to your post about excessive zeal, which included this part:

In reply to:

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If there's any religious heavy-handedness on the part of the globalist agenda, it is almost certainly on behalf of secularism against any religious observances (in the guise of being "fair to all") rather than promoting any world religion.

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...I agree with you 100 percent.

So Aries and I are a few leagues apart on the overall subject, but we both think you're pretty smart.

Love,
Maria

I guess at this point, all I can say is keep watchin and listening. The fall of the catholic church is very much tied into all this.~(one world religion)

Just as are the stories of child abductions/nolestations will be tied into an identity mark.

This smallpox vaccine is also tied into it, but I havent quite figured it all out yet. But it wont be long..lol

All things connected!

What immoral, nasty bigoted insanity you spout, Aries.

I think your gig is fomenting hatred. You do it well. The devil must be proud of you.

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Maria, you are coming off as an Aries with severe PMS now.

You made a statement with no back up.
The fall of the catholic church WAS prophesied. It wasnt explained how it would happen..just as we were told the monarchy would fall..it was given as a general timeline along with other things to come, tied into a timeframe along with the NWO. If you are listening to the news, you will notice the church is close to declaring bankruptcy. Why is that? Doesnt the fact these people coming forward with abuse claims wanting MONEY, thinking money will take care of their pain send off any signal to you? Im NOT justifying what the priests,etc did. Im saying everyone has a roll to play in whats going on here. I see no foregiveness. I see people very far apart. That ALL plays into what the prophecies were about.

You are misinterpreting whats been said due to your catholic background,..that much is apparent. You are taking something personal which wasnt directed towards you. You're picking up on the separateness rather then the connections involved here.

Please try and do some sort of research yourself before spewing unsults towards me.
Thanks.

Aries, You are coming off as the fomenter of hatred that you are. Your fall was prophesied. Enjoy the demons you learn so much from. You wouldn't recognize actual factual research because you're so incredibly steeped in bigotry.

The Catholic Church is not close to declaring bankruptcy. That's your ignorance declaring your own moral bankruptcy. The archdiocese of Boston is close to declaring bankruptcy. Get a clue. Read something from someone who has a clue, not just people who think other people are lizards, like Icky Icke.

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I've had it with this site - with ALL of us hyprocrites who profess to want peace and love and happiness and don't even know how to play nice each other.

I'm so with Aries - the world is doomed - but not cuase of the Church or the NWO or Bush etc., it's doomed becuase of OUR actions.

I'm gonna go worry about my real-life friends and family now, since it's obvious that no one here seems to understand the concept that peace starts at home.

Love to you all - see you on the other side,

Terri

Well I know how you feel Terri..And now I know how Sabra feels, etc. And I certainly apologize if I helped to drive you away..

Maria, when you've calmed down or gotten thru whatever it is that you're going thru..please go back as I edited my post, probably before you made your last one.

What I am going through is your nasty irresponsible bigotry, and no, I'm not going to get over it until you stop spewing it around here.

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Ah gee, you guys, you're breaking my heart. Where did this come from, and what's it about?

I know you all, and I know nobody feels the kind of personal contempt that seems to be being communicated here, regardless of what our differences of ideas and opinions are. Whatever else, this is a loving group of people here, why are we seeing and feeling hatred and intolerance in each other? This is scary.

Please guys, let's not give the powers of separation strength over our love and unity here. Wherever the disconnects that led to this lie, we can get past them if we try, and if we believe in each other's good will. I do, I truly do, something just got jangled here and I'm not sure what or how.

Love,
Greg

well, I couldn't wait to get back so I could ask you guys some questions about the Founding Fathers and their ties to the New World Order as I think they used that term back then too.

I have family members who are Prodestant and Catholic and the only prophecy I'm familiar with about the Catholic Church was the one in Gooberz where Linda said those at the top of the church would "walk in darkness" or something like that. I don't remember the exact wording but I'm thinking that there's some "walking in darkness" at the top of any "pyramid". Doesn't make the whole thing bad but some bad apples can make EVERYONE look bad cause that's how people's minds work. I have to admit, it does seem like there are some news days where all they do is bash one religion or another and the thought has crossed my mind that "they" are trying to make all religions look bad.

But back to the Founding Fathers. What do you think their intention was? I don't think they trusted the "comman man" to see the big picture so I think they tried to find a way to save them from themselves. If that is so...then the intention was good.
But there's a line that's been attributed to Thomas Jefferson that always makes me pause....he said, "I fear for my country when I reflect that God is just." So...maybe he knew even then there were people who wanted to coerce others.

And another thing I keep coming back to is something in the Edgar Cayce writings. He said something to the effect that when peace is truly upon earth we would live in a somewhat communistic setting. BUT he clearly stated that the "experiment with communism in Russia was a dismal failure and men were not enlightened enough yet to do it right." I think of a family unit as "communistic". All for one and one for all. We don't let our little ones go hungry because they can't produce. We have to learn to love everyone like that. Someday we will. And Cayce also said that true Christianity would come from China. I always wondered if he meant like a Tibetan monk? They remind of Christ with their gentle wisdom and great patience. It's the labels that get in our way, don't you think??

And I think Neal Donald Walsch describes the evolved societies higher up the scale than us as communistic. He stresses that what WE call communism now is not it's pure form.
I have not studied Karl Marx so I don't know. But I do know if we treated everyone like our family it would be more communistic than capitalistic...or at least I would hope so!

Hi Peggy , thanks!..I was wondering if someone was going to mention that even Linda G talked about this in Gooberz. It always seems ok when she talks about it..lol

Its in Canto 20..pages 1043-1051 (maybe other areas also(?), but I was one day awokened in the early AM and felt an urge to open the book and thats where it opened to)
Linda was refering to the Fatima prophecies..and on page 1044,she talks about why the Vatican must have covered it up. She thinks they must have felt the need.

Then on page 1046 (in part)..."a great plague will befall mankind near the end of the 20th century, nowhere in the world will there be order, and Satan will rule in the highest places.
Satan will succeed in seducing spirits of the great scientists who invent arms with which it will be possible...to destroy a large part of humanity in a few minutes.
...(page 1047).."Satan will have in his power, the powerful who command the people..and who will incite them to produce enormous quantities of arms..
...the great and powerful will perish along with the small and weak..for the Church it will be the time of its greatest trial. Cardinals will oppose Bishops, Bishops will oppose one another..
fire and smoke will fall from the sky
the waters of the oceans will become mist, the foam will rise to tremendous heights..and..millions..will drown.

millions will die from hour to hour..as a huge war erupts in the last half of the 20th century..whoever remains alive will envy the dead, everywhere one turns..there will be anguish and misery, ruin in every country,
.......because of the errors committed by the crazed and the time..draws near.
(page 1050).."Satan will even succeed in asserting himself at the top of the Church..and walk among the Bishops and Cardinals..and the Church will be in darkness."

On page 1045,before going into all this.. she states.."the message is very scary Goob, indisputably frightening and omnious..even sinister, but the New Age, with our help, will turn it all around at the last minute..aquarian-like into a happy ending..you'll see!

Well, Linda was living in her neptunian visioned world..and sorry Linda..the people didnt "get it". They didnt understand about foregiveness...ie:.."this formula involves the true meaning of foregiveness" (page 1051)
~arf arf!

Yes, "THEY" are trying to make all religions look bad ("hey!~a one world religion will take care of this"!)

Are you sure Edgar Cayce didnt say we will be living in a "communal" type of living? Thats what many are preparing for..after the great earth change prophecies he focused on...and the war, (which he didnt) In this type of living, one has to rely on their family and friends, and people have to work together.
I would certainly tend to believe, or think, that "true" christ like actions would have a smidgen of eastern philosophy mixed in...you know its been said even Jesus studied with the monks! In fact, when reading about his teachings, I fully became aware of the mixture of doctrines..which mainly focused on unconditional love, foregiveness,compassion, empathy, and turning our back on the love for the Almighty Buck.

Love from the quote.."hateful bigot" of the site..

Peggy, I was doing some thinking on this communist/communal/community thing, and I do believe this is what Cayce and others, envisioned..and that yes, very possibly a part of the agenda is for us all to be more caring and work together, in what probably should be the REAL communism.
In the province where I live, and spreading and now becoming Canada wide...privitization is becoming the big thing..everyone "going it" more on their own, without government aid we once had. This is their doing. In the end, Im sure its all for a purpose, and that purpose will put us thru hell before we get to heaven.

The dark side of this, is our wages are seeing a lower hike, the cost of living is going up, taxes are very high here, insurances/medical premiums,etc are also skyrocketing. It would be oh-so-different, if the "state" and country was giving us back some of this in rebate form. But no..they are keeping it, and for what? To line the pockets of the already rich.
They are wanting us to look after our own now..kicking seniors out of old age homes, closing them down..sometimes for silly excuses as I just heard on tonights news...and the country is starting to see an increase in seniors deaths which are being attributed to this. The mentally ill are being forced out, literally onto the streets if they dont have family to take them in. Its all very taxing on the families, as due to NAFTA alone, we have close to 30,000 men out of work in our provinces largest industry..forestry.
In actual fact, we are heading into a bleak period...one which will see starvation for many eventually, epecially as food prices skyrocket, due to a combination of factors including droughts, and higher wheat prices (due again to NAFTA practices).

As we go full force into war..much more will play into it..commadoties will become even less scarce, and thats when we will start to truly see how all these things happened right under our noses, and those who tried to say or do anything about it were labelled nutbars, heretics, guilty of treasons, or what-have-you.

We'll need to do more than treat others like our family,..we'll need to try and just keep our sanities with what little we'll have to work with.

Anyway, I agree..the type of Communism you are refering to is the way to go. I think years down the road, its where we'll be...just as you say Cayce said it would.

Folks, I'm going to take the bull by the horns here because we have arrived at a point where some very serious conflicts threaten to destroy the harmony of our site, and I am not willing to allow that to happen. In my mind, the only way to prevent that at this point is to get the issue unambiguously out in the open, and request that the parties to the disagreement make some very clear and unambiguous statements to each other and to all of the other members on the site. Without that clarity, there is every indication that the issue will continue as it has in the past as a vague but emotionally-charged conflict that nobody is completely sure what it is about. That is frankly intolerable on a site built on openness and spiritual love such as this one. We must put an end to this once and for all, here and now.

The issue is this: Maria has become convinced that Aries is promoting an agenda that supports an explicitly racist philosophy held by a number of neo-Nazi, white-supremacist groups and organizations, including Aryan Nations, Ku Klux Klan, World Church of the Creator, the Silent Brotherhood, The Order, and other related or affiliated groups calling themselves fundamentalist Christians but using particular intepretations of Christian scriptures and prophecies which are claimed to support ideas of racial superiority for the white/Aryan races.

If this were true, it would be a very serious concern indeed, because what is at stake here is not merely a "difference of opinion" about religious issues, but rather an active pursuit of policies and practices which have in the past resulted in physical violence, murder, and other criminal actions against target races, cultures and religions. In Maria's case there are specific reasons for believing that there are concrete physical threats against her family from members of some of these groups.

I have obviously not believed that any fans of Linda Goodman or any of the contributors to this site are supporters of such a racist agenda. It would not make sense to me, as Linda was the epitome of outspoken toleance and fully equal acceptance of all races, religions and cultures, and one of the most active voices for human unity in the world. However, in the interest of clearing up once and for all any such doubts or suspicions and eliminating any uncertainty about this as a continuing source of strife on this website, I would like to request some vary clear and unambiguous communication and agreements from both Aries and Maria.

[]First. from Aries: DO YOU in fact support or approve of any organizations, groups, philosophies or movements, including the above-named organizations and/or others of similar beliefs, that promote racism, whether that is termed "pro-" Aryanism or "anti-" semitic/blacks/catholics? Please do not waffle or beat around the bush in answering this question clearly and directly.

If the answer to this question is yes, then you are of course entitled to your own beliefs, but I want you to understand that you are absolutely NOT allowed to promote or proselytize for such beliefs on this website in any way. For those who might see this as censorship, I answer only that this site, like any publication, DOES have the right to determine what views it will and will not support - as a believer in the bill of rights and freedom of speech, I will absolutely support the right of anyone, even Nazis, to express their viewpoints, but I WILL NOT provide the platform for such expression. It is absolute anathema to everything that Linda believed, that I believe, and that this website exists to spread and promote.

If, on the other hand, you will unambiguously and unequivocally repudiate racism in any form, and assert forthrightly that you do not support or promote Aryanism, white supremacy, or any other form of racism, and that you do not support or uphold the views of any organizations or beliefs whose agenda includes active opposition to jews, blacks, Catholics or any other racial or religious groups ... then Maria, I ask you to take that at face value and to cease carrying on a campaign of opposition and hostility to Aries' ideas and posts that is predicated on the belief that she is promoting such a racist agenda. Clearly one cannot effectively be a voice for racism if one states in public that one is unambiguously opposed to racism.

The simple fact of announcing a belief that the Catholic church (or ANY church or organization) will fall, or of expressing disagreement with particular actions or positions of the Church, does not prove or imply a racist agenda, even if those beliefs happen to be shared by racist organizations - as long as the central respect and accord of equal rights and stature to ALL HUMAN BEINGS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR RACE OR RELIGION OR CULTURE OR BELIEFS MIGHT BE is not abridged.

For myself, for example, I disagree with many of the tenets and actions of many religions, but that does not make me an anti-religionist, not by a long shot. I also disagree with many of the tenets and actions of many "new age" groups, and that certainly does not make me anti-new-age. The important thing on this website - as in the world at large - is not agreement, but mutual respect and tolerance.

I can understand where both viewpoints are coming from here. Certainly if I had good reason to believe that I or my family or friends were the target of hate groups, and I had what seemed to me good reason for believing that the agenda of those hate groups was being promoted in my own neighborhood (i.e., this website), I would certainly be freaked out about it, and rightly so. At the same time, I can also see clearly that if I have particular beliefs, whether prophetic or scientific or whatever else, that other folks happen to dislike or disagree with or consider narrow-minded or whatever, I absolutely would not want or deserve having negative abuse or insults heaped on me whenever I expressed those views, and rightly so.

I'm sorry if I have insulted or offended anyone by making the issue this clear and this directly related to the individuals involved, but it was the only way I could see to get past it ... and make no mistake, we MUST get past it or our website is doomed. We cannot operate a center of light and love to spread to the world if our own communications with one another are regularly punctuated by outbreaks of harsh accusations, insults and hostilities. If we can't get past that, we might as well shut down. And will.

So once again, what I am asking from Aries and Maria is clear and definite, and I am asking that you both provide these things just as clearly and definitely, without qualification:

1. Aries I would like a clear statement from you as to whether the prophetic groups you study with, or any other groups you are aligned with or whose beliefs you share, are in any way connected with pro-Aryan, anti-semitic, anti-black and/or anti-Catholic racist beliefs or philosophies.
   
2. If the answer is yes, I will not ban you from posting, but I will ask you to COMPLETELY refrain from expressing or promoting any ideas that relate in any way, directly or indirectly, to those racist ideals.
   
3. If the answer is no, I will ask Maria to accept that answer and let the accusations of such beliefs and agendas go. If it happens that ideas are later posted which clearly ARE racist or in support of such agendas, I will ask you to point them out and state the issues calmly and clearly and let ME enforce the ban on expressing racist agendas on our site, rather than responding yourself with anger and hostility.

May I have both of your agreements and cooperation in this regard now, that we might move beyond this immediately before it brings our site down? Thank you.

Love,
Greg