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We should do a survey..... ."How many Virgos sit in the back?"

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lol Dani, I do . i always head for the back row/back table/whatever and I love it even more if there's a piece of mirror/glass somewhere near which can be turned just so to give me a wider field of vision.

BTW, this is a lovely thread. Great inputs from all of you. Am reading it today (the new year) and am wondering how i could've missed it earlier. Thanks guys.

I agree with your views on debates, Piscesdreamer.

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Then maybe a consensus can arise which is not about who is "right" or "wrong" but rather what might "work."

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Exactly! I feel no one view is complete or perfect in itself. The purpose of discussions should not be to prove one of them superior to the others, but to take the best of all and come up with something better and more perfect than all the individual views. That would be a whole lot more constructive IMHO, than a debate where people often end up feeling attacked and hence rigidly hold on to their original views. That doesn't do any good.

Ha Ha!!!

Well, I'm a Virgo, and in all honesty, I LIKE to sit in the front... But what I like even more than that, is sitting FACING the door, and usually near to the door. I'm really weird about that. Usually in my classes, I sit close to a door, whether it's in the back or it's in the front. Although, I positively refuse to sit in the waaaay back row. I feel somehow that I'm away from the action, and it keeps me more alert if I'm in the front and I have to turn around when someone asks a question. But, I ALWAYS sit close to a door. I like to be able to get out of the classroom quickly. lol. Even when I'm in the cafeteria, I like to sit so that I'm facing the door. I get to watch all the people that come in that way...

*hugs* for all!!!
Carrie

I know this guy he's a virgo... i really wonder what his acendant is cuz to me he just screams Leo... he Really likes to be in the spot-light. him and my boyfriend have a rave production company and when my boyfriend buys new awsome records he has to hide them and not tell him so his buddy wont go out and buy the same ones. The guy doesnt like to feel outdone, and i know he wouldnt want my bf to spin a better set then him. and the guy likes to brag a bit i think.

This was such a long thread, that I printed it out, so that I might read it later...(and also I seem to have better concentration when I'm holding reading material in my hand)...*sigh*...

Everyone had such meaningful things to say.....

COMPASSION???...*sigh*...

"Do unto others, as you'd have them do unto you.."

....simple as that...


Nighteshade...I'm sorry you're in such a space right now...I hope you're able to see your way out of the "muddle" that seems so real to you at this time...it doesn't sound like a very pleasant space to be in..*sigh*...I wish I were wise enough to have something profound and meaningful enough to make your thinking take a different turn (for your own peace of mind), but at this time I feel totally inadequate to offer anything that might be meaningful to you.......just try and believe that the world is really a better place than your view of it right now....granted, there's lots that's wrong, but there's lots that right too...for example all the wonderful people who are part of this cyber community - you included.....*sigh*...

Luv,
Rainbow

It was indeed a long thread but worth reading every word.

Nightshade, I sympathize with you and glad you can share your feelings with us.

Greg, I recognize the wisdom in compassion.

Rainbow, sometimes we do unto others what we want done unto us... why doesn't it always work?

If I could be president of the world, what changes would i bring? Hmmm perhaps rather than send men to die in Iraq, i'd work to bring down child pornography for ONE, #1, than housing for all, simple basic needs met. Why are there so many sleeping in the cold tonight...............

I've realized that before compassion must first come anger in front of these injustices, it's what shows us that we are not num and indifferent, after dealing with our anger, we can find in ourselves compassion, and when compassion becomes not enough it soon turns to action.

So let's be Proactive, rather than Reactive! and maybe we can cause change in our environment.

I truly believe we should focus more on Pro Activeness in every little way we can.

AH. Compassion. The deepest and most elusive Human Emotion known to man. Delving deeper than Love itself, compassion is innate in the Soul of all who enter this space; for Earth is the place of trials and tribulations, good deeds and wrong doings. Hopeful Hearts and Lost SOuls.

With compassion comes Mercy. A gift of Understanding everyone possesses, but very few activate and abide by. The allowance of Oneself to step aside the hurtful encounters of others and the situations caused by them; accepting this Human Condition as the Original Sin of being Mortal. Real eyesing the ignorance of these First Timers and forgiving them for they know not what they do.
There really IS no other way.

Acceptance and Forgiveness are the two Virtues compassion is composed of. It is not a Divine quality to have compassion. It is a quality OF the Divine, yes,but it is as basic as the need to eat, sleep, and love.


IN our journey down the Human Road, we be-come altered in our True state, jaded and tarnished by all the unjustness we perceive the World may offer. But it is the PERCEPTION that changes....for we are still chemicallymade of a TRUE state. Whole deep inside. Pure.

Our layered skin changes with our environment. Our eyes need prescriptions. Our ears hear only what we want to hear. Our mouths say what it necessary to redeem our desires. We find ourselves constantly feigning off those around us, defending the small dogmas that keep our Minds centered in what we think to be the TRUTH. The center, we think, keeps us stable and grounded. . Not real eyesing everyone does the same.

Time is the great equivocator. It takes a small innocent child, wide eyed and excited about the WOrld, with dreams and hopes abounding. And shapes it's perception of what once was Pure and Whole into a subjective take on what is right and which is wrong. This process happens to all of us and thus makes us uniform in our ignorance. And our Understanding.


Compassion, however, surfaces throughout Times in our lives, when we are heightened by our enlightment that we are all the SAME. All blindly searching this gorgeous Planet for Mystical Truths to answer our pining need to know. Whatever that knowing may be. And as for the First Timers...well, we must activate our compassion. Kill 'em with Kindness but do not allow them to wreak havoc in our Eden.

Without compassion there is no mercy. Without mercy, we are but mere animals fending for our lives. And that is NO way to Live.

"All it takes is for enough good people to DO NOTHING."
Don't DO NOTHING! But don't wreak havoc either.

Mercy mercy me......

Hi Guys

Nice thread...many good things said and shared here. I can't think of anything to add right now (not in a wordy mood today, might be the moon in Cancer ) other than... ~*One LOve*~

I'll add to the Virgo poll though. I always liked to sit in the back, both out of shyness and not wanting to be noticed or picked on by the teacher, and because I liked to watch everything going on. I like to sit in the back in theater's too.

Hi Rachel.....wanted to comment on your comment....

"Rainbow, sometimes we do unto others what we want done unto us... why doesn't it always work?"

Okay...I'm scratching my head...I'm not sure what you mean, by "Why doesn't it work?"...*sigh*...I'm not sure what is supposed to be working???? ....I look at it as an act of kindness and courtesy with no expected results....it's just something one does? *sigh* If one is treated nicely back...then cool...but I surely don't "expect" it...*sigh*....just wanted to clear that up...

Luv,
Rainbow

Rainbow, I mean, having practiced "do unto others..." yet those who we give and treat as we would like to be treated still turn around and bite you sometimes... I just want to believe that when you spread acts of kindness that's it becomes contagious. But it doesn't work! So often, the very people you've been kind and good too, turn out that they've been wearing a double face and lying or simply turn their back on you when in need.

You're right, there should not be expectancy behind an act of kindness, and I myself no longer expect anything from anyone... Simply in General, I thought acts of kindness would inspire more acts of kindness, I guess sometimes the inspired are people other than the ones we shared acts of kindness with.

Nightshade, I think there are times that all of us feel as you do regarding the evils of the world. It's easy to get that way if you watch the news or read the papers everyday because rarely do we hear anything good in the news. If we concentrate on all that is bad in the world it does seem rather bleak and hopeless. It is very easy to be pessimistic regarding the world ever changing and being better. However, there is also much good in the world and we can't let the negatives overshadow the positive things in life. We see in every natural disaster people banding together to help the victims. There is much compassion and love in the world if we look for it. But more important than looking for it we as individuals have to be a part of it. The world will change but it has to begin with each individual. Each and every person has to practice love and compassion in their daily lives with everyone they encounter. I believe that our whole purpose of existing is to help each other along the journey, be there for each other with a helping and loving hand, a shoulder to cry on, and ears to listen. Every act of compassion, reaching out with kindness and love for a fellow soul changes the world, though we may not be aware of it. It happens gradually. We may never know in this lifetime the effect we have had on others or our world. Every act we do has an effect on others and our world, be it good or bad. So we should try to make it good. Because we are not in this alone. We are a community, a world community, we are all linked. I forget who said it (forgive this babyboomer another senior moment ) but I read somewhere, that every time another human being suffers or dies, I also am diminished. We are THAT closely linked! Think of it as a wheel with spokes radiating out from the center. We are the spokes that radiate out from a single center that unites each spoke. I also think of that when I see my grand kids playing with that monkey in a barrel game and linking the monkey's arm to arm. The really great thing is the effect that practicing compassion also has on us. If every individual practiced compassion and love and forgiveness can you imagine what our world would be like? It has to begin somewhere so let it begin with me. That is the way I look at it. When someone hurts us in some way, or we see on the news the evils that men/women can do to one another, we have to realize that the people involved are not living according to the true nature they were born with. We are all born good. Even when we sin it is not the evil we are attracted to, it is because we see something good in it. Human beings could not practice genocide against other human beings if they truly saw them as fellow humans. That is why in order for us to mistreat anyone we must first dehumanize them in some way in our minds. And God! Look how pornograpy dehumanizes!!!


I am one of those baby boomers the song you spoke of is about. My youth was spent in the 60's. A lot of beautiful thoughts and ideals came from my generation. It was from my generation that Women's Liberation came to be and even though that movement got distorted to a large degree, it still brought about much advancement for the generations that followed. Equality is what we strived for, equal rights for women and for all races. There has been much advancement. We also strived for peace and love in the world. We got the ball rolling, it was up to the following generations to keep it going. However, most of the following generations only saw the partying and the drugs and the free sex from the 60's. The higher ideals were set aside. The ball was dropped. So we can't be solely blamed for the way the world is today. Not all of us sold out and I passed those ideals onto my kids as I am sure a lot of your parents did as well. Incidentally, bluedove is my daughter and I am real proud of her

Dani, regarding sitting in the back and you wondering if that was a Virgo thing: I have always sat in the back, all through school, at meetings, in restaurants or anywhere I go and I am a Taurus, moon in Pisces, rising sign Cancer. I do it for the reasons you spoke of in your post; I am a people watcher and I am close to an exit. I am also shy so that may have a lot to do with it. The Virgo is my partner and he always wants to set in the front.

I loved reading all your posts. You all have so much wisdom and beautiful souls.

Connie (moonflower)

Welcome moonflower ! It's cool to have you join us. If Lisa got her ideals and her warmth from you, then you are a wonderful new addition to the Knowflake family

Thank you for welcoming me so warmly, Eagle. Lisa has talked about you all so much to me and about this site that I finally decided to check it out for myself. I very much like what I have seen here. Your posts are all so very inspiring. Reflecting beautiful souls.

It's hard to say between Lisa and myself who taught who what. Because I have learned so much from her. We kind of feed off each other that way. She gives me things to ponder and I do the same for her. As long as no one expects me to express myself as beautifully and poetically as Lisa does I will be fine.

Moonflower

I'm glad you decided to check us out. You'll probably be hooked before long.

Hi Mom!!!!! Welcome to your daughters hang-out!!!!

I was wondering if you were going to tell everyone who's Mom you were...and it's easy to see where Lisa got her poetic side!

Welcome to our Island Home!!!!

Oh and Lisa sent me the one-liners for the gastro guy!

Just in time for tomorrow! .... ...I plan on memorizing them all....hahaha...and I especially like the "Can you hear me now?".....thats a riot! hahahahahaha

I needed the laugh...AND the beautiful words too!

I'm glad you joined us.....

Dani

Dani....for a minute, I thought you were talking to me.....and then I realized that it was Lisa's mom you were talking to.....

I was noticing that Moonflower was from Michigan, and how cool that was, but I didn't realize for awhile that she was Lisa's Mother....

Moonflower....you have a wonderful daughter.....

Welcome to Conscious Evolution!!! What a treat to have you here. Looking forward to more posts from you...

Luv,
Rainbow

I had a flashing thought that me calling Lisa's Mom 'mom'...might throw you.....silly GinnyMom ......

So now the two Mom's meet! How is that?

Dani

What a delight to have you here, Moonflower! It appears Lisa's taste in moms is as good as yours in daughters! Hope you'll stop in regularly, us old boomers need more support!

Love,
Greg

Hi Dani!!!

I don't know if Lisa told you or not but I had that same test done just last fall. That about sums up my reaction to the whole thing. My thoughts will be with you today. I have had the "other" test as well. Neither of those tests were my finest hour. My personal favorite on those one liners was: "Take it easy doc, you are going where no man has gone before." lol Because on the freeway of my body, I see that as strictly an exit ramp. Okay, forget I said that.

I am glad that I did decide to adopt my daughter's hangout because I truly like the people around here and what you all have to say. I am looking forward to getting to know you all much better. Though Dani, I do know you. I kind of feel like you are an "acquired" daughter and I liked that you called me mom.

Rainbow, I have heard a lot about you from Lisa and from what she has told me, I am really looking forward to getting to know you.

Dani, let us all know how it went for you today and what the results of the tests are when you find out.

Connie ( moonflower )

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the welcome and your kind words. After having read some of your posts, you can count on the support of this boomer.

I must confess that what I know about Astrology and Tarot, which is very little, Lisa has taught me. The background that formed a lot of my thinking and perspective on life, outside of what our generation grew up with, is a passion for Theology and Philosophy. Not only from the books I have read but also from taking theology classes for four years. Truth is eternal and is not limited to one religion, or one field of study, or one philosophy. Truth blows through the world like the wind for us to reach out and grasp. It is in exchanging thoughts, opinions and ideas with one another that we learn more than we could ever learn in a book, or a classroom. For it is in sharing those things and our love with others that we touch souls and truth lies within the soul of each of us. When you can break through the barriers we all place around ourselves to one degree or another, and actually encounter the soul of another person, you have found not only truth, but love in it's purest form, and you have encountered God. I think I just had a Lisa/Chahldean moment there. lol I say that teasingly, but they both do have such a beautiful way of expressing themselves that transports me spiritually. They add a certain kind of flow and beauty to truth. Admittedly I am a bit partial about the dove but they both are very good with words and actually, no one around this place is a slouch on expressing themselves in words. Some of the things I have read so far are just awesome!! So I am very happy to be here and very happy about the warm greeting I have received from everyone.

It does not matter if we all agree with everything each of us says. Lisa and I disagree on things but we don't argue about who is right and who is wrong. We just take away what truth we find in what the other said. I can see that is how this forum is run too and that's just great.

P.S. Lisa told me when I talk about her this way she gets embarrassed so I had better put a tap on that.

Connie ( moonflower )

Hi Connie!!!!!

I DID learn something today....

I learned that if you wait for just the right moment...and think a great one liner like "Can you hear me now?"...and then laugh a big belly laugh with no warning to others....

it can cause great chaos to all involved....

and thats all I have to say.

heeheehee, Dani...You made the Doc's week.
Just think of the over-lunch-replay of it in the doctor's lounge.
Goes to show that you can get through most anything with a little humour.
((rainbow`swirls)) to you..and let us know you're ok.

Mom, me embarrassed? Not yet....
just keep the teen horror stories on tap 'round here.
I'm supposed to appear semi-enlightened.

Lisa

Hahahahaha Lisa. I would love to tell a few of those teenage stories of yours. Like the morning you woke up in a pasture with a horse standing over you and looking down at you. It was an enlightening moment for you, part of your formation because when you wake up in the morning in the middle of a pasture with a horse looking down at you, then you just have to consider that you have definitely taken the wrong fork in the road some where along the path. Obviously you did. When I think of some of the guys you dated at the time, you could have awakened with a lot worse than the horse. lol Happy that you ended up with a good one though.

I also wanted to let you know that the thing you told me on the phone yesterday about the cats stuck in my mind all day and I cried every time I thought about it. How awful. How cruel. How insensitive is that! Those people that did that definitely need to be educated.

Mom

Hi Aries

I loved the article on The Path of Non-Violence. Thank you for posting it. I copied it and sent it out to all my friends. I think we should mail that to President Bush at the White House.

Connie ( moonflower )