I'll never understand the spin doctors..... Don't ya just feel like we are being propelled deeper and deeper into this mire of brinksmanship, hawkish rhetoric and fear-mongering - for what?!?!?

I just pulled this off of CNN.com.....what a headline! Why today? It reads as though this is info the CIA has had for awhile.

Love,
Terri

Tenet: North Korea has ballistic missile capable of hitting U.S.
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 Posted: 1:46 PM EST (1846 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- North Korea has an untested ballistic missile capable of hitting the United States, top U.S. intelligence officials said Wednesday.

While testifying at a Senate committee hearing in Washington, CIA Director George Tenet was asked whether North Korea had a ballistic missile capable of reaching the U.S. West Coast.

Before answering, Tenet turned to very quickly consult with aides sitting behind him.

"I think the declassified answer, is yes, they can do that," Tenet said.

It was the first time a U.S. official has confirmed the claim on the record.

Defense Intelligence Agency Director Vice Adm. Lowell Jacoby, also testifying at the hearing, said outside the hearing room that the North Korean missile has not yet been flight tested, according to The Associated Press.

Moments earlier Tenet said it was likely that North Korea had been able to produce as many as two plutonium-based nuclear weapons.

The revelation came shortly after the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency declared North Korea in breach of international nuclear agreements and sent the issue to the U.N. Security Council.

The International Atomic Energy Agency's 35-nation executive board voted 31-0 to cite Pyongyang for being in breach of U.N. safeguards. Two countries, Russia and Cuba, abstained.

Russia had expressed concern over sending the matter to the Security Council, fearing it could push North Korea into further defiance. Sudan was not allowed to vote because it has not paid its dues, and another nation was not present.

Some officials have said there are moves to create a package for North Korea that would try to achieve a diplomatic solution. But the Security Council also could impose sanctions on Pyongyang in an attempt to persuade the North to drop its nuclear plans.

North Korea has said such a move would amount to a declaration of war.

The decision to send the matter to the Security Council comes at the same time that body has been dealing with weapons inspections in Iraq and whether Baghdad has been in compliance with U.N. Resolution 1441, which calls on Iraq to disarm.

Friday, the two top U.N. weapons inspectors report back to the council on their latest findings within Iraq.

European Union international policy chief Javier Solana -- who spent the last two days in meetings in South Korea -- said earlier Wednesday that now is not the time to impose sanctions on North Korea.

"I don't think this is the moment to do sanctions, and I do think the sanctions may contribute to the opposite that we want to obtain, which is defusing of the crisis," Solana said before the IAEA vote.

During his visit to Seoul, Solana has met with top South Korean officials, including President Kim Dae-jung, President-elect Roh Moo-hyun, the foreign minister and the minister of defense.

Solana also may travel to North Korea in the coming weeks to discuss ways to defuse the nuclear impasse. He said he would base the timing of any mission to Pyongyang on the wishes of North Korea's neighbors.

"All of them have told me 'the sooner, the better,' so we will do it the sooner, the better, Solana said.

Tensions have mounted on the Korean peninsula since last October when the United States said North Korea admitted to secretly pursuing a nuclear weapons program in violation of a 1994 deal.

Pyongyang, which denies the U.S. claim, responded by backing out of a nuclear non-proliferation treaty earlier this year, kicking out U.N. nuclear monitors and restarting a mothballed nuclear power plant in a move it says will compensate for an energy shortfall.

Terri, I sent you an email about this but at that time didnt know about todays news here.
Earlier, an unidentified jet of some kind was seen above Victoria doing s-curves. It took HOURS to get answers as to who this was. Finally,later in the day, NORAD semi-confirmed in a hushed kind of way it was a jet from there.
It was, in the end, in the US airspace, since the border is so close. (Greg may have also heard about this today)
What is shocking is WHY did NORAD have to send a jet when we have fighter jets and an air base here already!

They must be taking this one seriously.

Hey Aries

I didn't get the email.... did you send it to home or office? That must have freaked people out!!!!!!! I heard on the 6 o'clock news that armed fighter jets had been deployed over NYC and Washington, but that's more related to this "orange-alert" problem. If I saw fighter jets flying around above my city I'd need clean underwear!!! Maybe that's part of the plan.....

Love,
Terri

Hi Guys

I have heard nothing about this NORAD plane incident in the news here as yet. It might be in tomorrows newspaper. Since Michigan is right on the Canadian border we should hear something about it. It is curious I agree. Maybe they are patroling the borders because we are on high alert for terrorist activity? Maybe doing training exercises in preparation for war? I know there has been an awful lot of air activity going on here at Selfridge Air Base near me. Much more than the norm.

On the news here today regarding North Korea having the nuclear capabilty to reach the West Coast of the United States they said that the plants producing the nuclear weapons was up and running again for awhile but the last satellite pictures showed that for some reason the North Koreans had shut down their operations again. There is no activity at the plant at all now. They don't know why it was in operation for a while then shut down again. It could be our government is just down playing the North Korean threat for now because they want to concentrate solely on the war in Iraq and don't want public outcry to force them to deal with North Korea at this time. Who knows? It's the games governments play while the rest of us face annihilation.

Connie

hi moonflower, and you may NOT hear about it either. The only reason we know is because concerned citizens phoned Boeing, and the Seattle air fields..and what ever else it took to get to the bottom of it all. Finally, about 6 hours later, some officials here got in touch with NORAD.

Terri, I sent it to your cable addy at home.
Sheesh, mention NORAD in an email and someone swipes it?

Bizarre - I really haven't gotten it! I got your other email though, about that flight coming into Toronto - had to LMAO at that one! So they censor the good info, but at least they let me have my chuckle!

Love,
Terri

I know I am going to sound like an idiot....but what is NORAD?....

Dani

No Dani..you arent an idiot.
NORAD keeps tabs on santa claus at christmas time..its the Santa-tracking system...

http://www.noradsanta.org/

LOL @ Aries

I can't remember what the NORAD acronym stands for exactly, but it's somehting like the North American Air Defense - basically a coaltion between Canada and the US for joint defense of North Amercia. They are headquarted in Cheyanne Mountain... and god only knows why I am remembering that fact about them. There's so much more....

Love,
Terri

LOL. Heres the REAL Norad Dani...

Its command station is based at Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado Springs.


Welcome to NORAD
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a binational United States and Canadian organization charged with the missions of aerospace warning and aerospace control for North America. Aerospace warning includes the monitoring of man-made objects in space, and the detection, validation, and warning of attack against North America whether by aircraft, missiles, or space vehicles, utilizing mutual support arrangements with other commands. Aerospace control includes providing surveillance and control of Canadian and United States airspace.
http://www.norad.mil/

Terri...somewhere around here...you speculated whether or not the big wigs are aware of their charts....was it because of the timing of Powells speech with his chart??....

I think you may be right.

These guys seem to be calculating the energy of Mars...and all their natals.....( it's almost impossible to believe they chose these aspects by some other ways and means....it's just toooooooooo tight)....and considering that Jupiter Neptune opp....well it feels like they are counting on Neptune to keep us in line....

oi veh.

A fixed air Neptune...and a fixed fire Jupiter....way to fan the flames of ego...you know?

Anyway...musings aside......I believe they timed it like this precisely.

Which is just as scary as the war itself.....

Dani

Terri, you did wonderful without a copy and paste job!!!
Dont you work tomorrow?

*raises one eyebrow*

I knew I'd regret that........

Well its one of two things..
Either they "use" astrology, OR, what I think is more likely...astrology is just astrology. Whats happening is fitting with the astrology...its working all in synch.

As above, so below!

The cycles were there before the bushwacker was.. ( I THINK!! )

Ok Dani..I have to confess.
I didnt know exactly what NORAD was in its entirety until meeting online a few months ago, someone who lives next door to the place.

Hi Aries,

"NORAD keeps tabs on santa claus at christmas time..its the Santa-tracking system... "


Sabra

If they 'use' astrology...they don't believe it for themselves....they have too much ego between them to think some silly stars could sway things one way or another....they would think they could rise above any aspect...

But they have no respect for the intelligence of people....you know the action figures.....and they would InDeeeeeed use the stars to help 'get their message across'....there is however Saturn to contend with....

Who knows where we will need to skim the turds from the pool....could be here...could be there...could be both.

Go SATURN!

Dani