Darwin, you sir are rumored to be a good man. But you have been, in this case, the hurtful one to many. Going from a pure calm to an emotional rant of belligerence.

...if the shoe fits....

FWIW I didn't make my post in reference to anything you said to Donna, because so much of what you have been coming out with lately is utter drivel, and I ignore it when you are being like that. I was more concerned with getting Connie and Jwhop back on track with each other since their dialouge has been at least thought-provoking. I went back and re-read your post to Donna though, and you were pretty mean. But what you just said to Rainbow has to be the most insulting thing you have said to anyone here. Totally uncalled for, totally judgemental, totally disrespectful of the definition of "spiritual" that you profess to know so much about.

Love,
Terri

RBAY, Dear,

Rainbow's histroy speaks for it's self. She is more out of line that anyone on the site and you all baby her because she is an old woman.

The whole starting point of her growing investation of total irrational posts was because Greg's restriction on natureal karama to take it's dur course.

I for one refuse to be so mean as to Rainbow as to support her dysfunctional and co-dependentcy with pats on the head. Most young people treat old peolpe like kitty cats. Rainbow and me know what were about and I don't need a punk to tell me how to talk to a mature woman with an attitude. So buss off, baby Jane. I'm sick of your hair triggered vengengce. Take a close look at your Saturn Cancer and maybe you can get a clue.

Love and what ever,
Darwin

Now it's my turn to ask everyone to please stop fighting. We are supposed to be anti-war.

Prox, Rainbow is not an old woman. It's a proven fact that Native Americans don't show their age like white folk do. I find Rainbow to be a very sensitive, compassionate, and caring person and she has a lot to say.

I agree with Proxy though when he made the point that no one made anyone leave. It was Donna and Joy's choice to leave. It will be their choice to come back or not.

What some people have to try and remember is that at a spiritual site they are going to be outnumberd a bit when the subject regards war and killing. Prox made a good point there too, in his own way. I am not patting you on the head either Prox, cause remember, I'm older than you.

Let's put this all aside and get back on the track.

Love, Connie

Hey Proxy....(you "young" whipper snapper, you!).....I might be old...... BUT I STILL GOT MY OWN HAIR! ! ! !

Lookie at yew...



I'm not sure how old YOU are, but it doesn't look like you've drunk from the fountain of youth, anytime, lately...or the fountain of intelligence either, for that matter...

...and what the hell are you picking on me for? I had hoped that we had gotten beyond our "clashing auras" of the past.....but obviously not....

How do you get off, talking to me like that? Who the hell do you think you are?

Mr. Clean? Mr. Rightous? Mr. all American and decent? ?......Well I've got news for any newer knowflakes here who might have been taken in by you, because I know better!!! (tho I've had the decency [til now]to try and over look it).......

........ but I haven't forgotten a very disgusting post you made awhile back, about a young teen aged girl next door, giving us a very blatant, and explicit discription of how you were LUSTING for her as you watched her every move, with your wicked, sick, unhealthy desires...talk about a dirty old man ! ! !

You baldy, are the one who needs the help....

(Greg, I know we're supposed to keep the peace here, but I cannot allow that cocky know it all, to be allowed to get away with the arrogant things he's said about me, without justification...and I shouldn't even let it bother me since HE'S REALLY A NOTHING! A NOTHING! PERIOD!)

...and oh yeah Proz, while I'm at it...you need to get a clue....TAKE SOME SPELLING LESSONS....

Darwin, I have had it with your insults to people, and it will end here and now.

I like you and I often agree with a lot of what you have to say ... although I disagree with a lot of it too, and that's neither here nor there. None of us are asked to agree with anyone here, but everyone is asked to be civil to everyone else here, agree or disagree, and you have flat refused to do that, over and over again.

In the last few posts you have not only lambasted Donna as an "anti-Christ" for holding beliefs that differ from yours (and how, exactly, does that differ from fundamentalist Islamic terrorists calling those with different view than theirs "great Satans?") - in the very same posts where you claim that you are not guilty of "name calling," you have called Joyce a dime a dozen Diva and a belligerant narrow-minded know-nothing; you have called Randall, who also doesn't even post here any more, a con-man and dismissed his beliefs as a phony act; you have called Rainbow a co-dependent dysfunctional old woman who needs professional help; and have called Terri a punk with a hair triggered vengeance while telling her to "buzz off, baby Jane." No name-calling there, huh?

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You have a consistent tendency to put words in others mouths. You have done it on so many of my posts I have just stopped talking to you. Please don't do it anymore.

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I didn't put any of those words in your mouth, Darwin, I took them directly from your last two posts. Go look for yourself.

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I'm sorry that some people have hurt feeling when they realize that they are ignorant, have double standards, and are not qualified to speak for God. They can just tell it to the sky.

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I think this is the real crux of the matter, Darwin: you clearly believe that YOU are qualified to speak for God, and you can't stand it if anyone doesn't accept "The Word of God According to Darwin." Over and over again on threads far too numerous to collect and quote here you have TOLD us what God's will is, and accused anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of one particular scripture (the Christian Bible) of being ignorant and ego-driven. Don't forget, my friend, that Linda Goodman, in whose name this site was originally founded, in addition to finding great value and inspiration in the Christian scriptures ALSO built much of her philosophy and teachings on Eastern religion, Goddess religion, Native American spirituality, alchemical and hermetic metaphysical teachings and other "heathen" concepts that the Church used to burn people alive for expressing ... and even founded her own "nature spirit" religion caled Mannu. Fact is nobody is qualified to speak for God except through the inner understandings of their own higher s-elves, and everybody is entitled to do that ... everyone is entitled express their own beliefs about God without being dissed and accused of being "heathen Anti-Christs" by other community members.

My apologies to all for expressing this with anger, but I AM angry that intolerant self-righteousness takes precedence over tolerance and compassion and plain simple human kindness far too often when we discuss subjects that we disagree on. I'm sorry that you think the source of the problems here is "because Greg's restriction on natureal karama to take it's due course," but I don't happen to believe that tolerating personal insults and hurtful personal put-downs has anything to do with "allowing natural karma to take its due course." You're free to disagree with that, and you're free to take your energy to another site that DOESN'T have that policy; but this one does, and you're NOT free to ignore it. You can play according to the rules here or you can take your insults and intolerance somewhere where the discussion policy is more in line with your own preferences, but you CANNOT stay here and continue to insult and put down other members.

Yes, war and killing are on the way out in this coming Aquarian age; either that, or the human species is on the way out. But if you think that peace is only about not dropping bombs you are sadly mistaken ... the bullets and bombs are not the cause of war; they are the logical outcome of an intolerant mindset that holds and expresses contempt for others who have different beliefs or worldviews. For the LAST time, that is not allowed here. If you or anyone else is not willing to accept and honor that principle in interactions with others on this site, then go somewhere else.

Love,
Greg

Terri......and Connie.......in my utter horror and disbelief at the unwarranted attack on me, by one, Darwin, I completely forgot to thank both of you for standing up for me...*sigh* I really do appreciate it....thanks....(I could chalk it all up to a bad hair day, on Darwin's part.....butcha gotta have hair first........oh! that was a low blow...)

And I want to thank you too, Greg.........(and I do realize I wasn't the ONLY ONE who was targeted with his dispicable slimy venom, altho he DID say I was the worst one of all)....*sigh*....

......and I realize that I have stooped to his level in my explosive retaliation to his cutting remarks, but that guy can test the mettle of even the most evolved MARS IN SCORPIO....

Luv,
Rainbow

(echos from the Good Book keep ringing in my ears...do onto others...turn the other cheek...forgive them, for they know not what they do........Well...maybe in time...)

Greg,

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Yes, war and killing are on the way out in this coming Aquarian age; either that, or the human species is on the way out. But if you think that peace is only about not dropping bombs you are sadly mistaken ... the bullets and bombs are not the cause of war; they are the logical outcome of an intolerant mindset that holds and expresses contempt for others who have different beliefs or worldviews.

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Exactly!

Love, Connie P.S. How do I get the quote in the box? Tried many times but could not do it. Oh well, you know what I mean anyway.

Rainbow,

Love, Connie

I thought this place is called Conscious Evolution!
It is starting to be more like Controlled Evolution!
What ever happened to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Thought, Freedom of Expression, Openess to All Posibilities where we can and are suppose to learn how to react to help ourselves to evolve spiritually in all facets of Spirituality...beliefs, communications, thoughts, emotions, how to find the balance of thoughts and emotions/mind and heart, interactions to evolve to our higher existance?

Rainbow , deep inside, I know you are a sweet, loving and caring person and I like you and I'm sorry and sympathize that you felt attacked, but in my defense for Darwin's integrity (Darwin, I'm not trying to speak for you), I feel it unfair that you have brought out in the open a discussion from many threads back that is only partial to what went on with the discussion. I am assuming that it was the Astrological Story about Darwin's 6th house Interpretation which looks shocking for those who doesn't know Darwin. Unfortunately later on the thread, another knowflake interpreted it differently. We all know Darwin, whether we want to admit it or not, he knows how to dig deep within our psyche which brings the worst out from most of us, but aren't we here to learn to know how to deal with the worst in us? Darwin is also learning from all of everyone else's responses to his posts with what and how he is to communicate his strong beliefs and emotions (slow down ). To set things straight, here is the link to the Story "For The Truthseekers (WTC info)" ... http://consciousevolution.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=44222&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

I may not know most of you personally, but I do care and feel respect, connection, strong bond and love to you all and this site. Please, let us all try to be more understanding, forgiving and compassionate towards each other and please stop trying to bring each other down.

For everyone's info, Darwin IS a good man however cutting his words may be.

Cristina, I love and respect you, but I must respectully take exception to your implication that by forbidding personal insults on this site I am somehow compromising the principle of free speech.

Free speech means that no one shall be muzzled by coercive (e.g. governmental) force and laws from expressing any thoughts or ideas, as long as that expression does not bring about tangible and unjustified harm to another. It does NOT mean that anyone should be permitted to say anything anywhere.

A visitor in your living room absolutely does not have the right to call you and your daughters Satanist sluts with impunity, and if you ask him to desist and he refuses you absolutely DO have the right to kick him out of your house. Nor are you an enemy of free speech if you do so.

Publications absolutely DO have a right to set their own editorial policy. A "pro-life" advocate ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have the right to demand to be allowed to call "pro-choice" advocates dirty names in a publication produced by reproductive rights advocates. A gun control advocate ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have the right to demand that his view that gun owners promote murder be published in a sport shooting magazine. A neo-Nazi ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have the right to demand that his opinion that Jews are genetically inferior scum be freely expressed on a Jewish website.

And a person who wishes to call other members heathen anti-Christs, dime a dozen divas, phoney con men, and codependent old women in need of professional help ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have the right to do so on a spiritual website where such personal insults are explicitly prohibited by the website's policy!

I too feel it was unfortunate that Rainbow felt moved to reach back to old occurrences from the past to defend herself from an attack she should never have experienced to begin with ... and this is exactly what is wrong with allowing personal insults on a discussion forum. It never ends: someone is attacked, and they retaliate, and someone else jumps in and throws insults at the first one, and the next thing you know, we have EXACTLY the situation that has just occurred on this thread: namely, the whole discussion has been lost, nobody's even talking about the subject of the thread anymore, everyone is just battling about insults and personal characteristics and attacking and defending each others' mode of expression.

That's not what this website is for. It IS counterproductive and harmful to peaceful and productive discussions, and I DO have the right to prohibit it, and I HAVE prohibited it since this website first came into existence nearly five years ago. If people want to participate in a no-holds-barred everything-goes argumentative and insulting discussion forum, I have no problem with that at all, and there are plenty of them on the internet. But this is not one of them, and I will not be told that I must allow such behavior in the name of "free speech."

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Please, let us all try to be more understanding, forgiving and compassionate towards each other and please stop trying to bring each other down.

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EXACTLY!

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For everyone's info, Darwin IS a good man however cutting his words may be.

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Yes, I believe that Darwin is a good man too, and I am very often deeply impressed by his insight, amused by his humor, and uplifted by his humanity. But none of those things make it okay for him to wantonly insult other members in DEFIANCE of our rules here, and no matter how good a person he is, if he persists in absolutely refusing to treat others with respect HE WILL BE BANNED.

Love,
Greg

Hi Everyone,

Sorry for being overly sensitive, I am usually able to
contain myself better. I admit to Sun Cancer senstivity
and Leo Moon pride. So, yes, I was hurt and impulsively posted after reading Connie's reply... " I agree, Proxy. It also amazes me that spiritual people would..." which she later explained in another post. And to add fuel to the hurt, that question about my opinion of Bill Kristol, well, I was devastated, especially since she posts her opinions all the time. I could do the same, I watch Fox News daily and see Bill Kristol all the time, I have a different take on him, so I could post extremely long excerpts from the "right" in equal reply to the "left" extremely long posts. I choose not to, because in reality, I understand those who believe one way will not be swayed by those who believe another.

It is just that I had one of those "aha", "Eureka" moments
when I read the report and saw that one sentence was taken from page 8 and the other sentence was taken from page 59
and put together in that #7 paragraph. That is all. It is things
like that which lead to the spin in politics that really bother me.

I thought I would enter the discussion, with a different view, as I usually avoid confrontational issues. I would rather read and learn before I venture into the political arena, I am not a political science major. My recent interest in politics only began since the election and 9/11. I have two nepews in the military, they may never live their full lives. One has a 6 month old baby, the other has a baby due in July. I don't want a war for any reason, but they are two good reasons to cause me great discomfort from a personal viewpoint.

I don't work for Randall, I was asked to assist on a voluntary
basis, as time permits, nothing more, nothing less. And I really enjoy it, simply because it spurs me to keep up with my astrological learning.

I will just stay out of the political discussion. I love this site and the wonderful members here. Greg you are my other hero, and there isn't a more loving, intelligent, caring human being than yourself.

And Rainbow, you rock!! You just keep on being your wonderful, caring self. Don't ever change, you are fine the way you are!

Proxy, I hold no hard feelings toward you.

Jwhop, thanks, I try to live up to the meaning of my name, sometimes, well, sometimes it isn't easy, LOL.

Donna

Hi Donna

I'm very happy to see you back. I want to say that just from the things you said in your post I can tell that you are indeed a very caring and loving person. It doesn't matter what a person's religion is or even if they don't have any religion. What matters is how much they love and care for others and how they live their lives. I think you fit the bill of being a very spiritual person just for that reason.

Again, great to see you back and I hope you keep sharing your opinions. I'm truly sorry about the misunderstanding. Actually jwhop set me straight on that question I asked you when he said it could apply to my opinion about Mr. Kristol as well. And you know what? He was right. So any time you feel I am out of line just let me know like jwhop does. I am willing to admit when I am wrong, painful as it is.

Love, Connie

Hi Greg,

I see your point and I take it with respect and understanding. I love and respect you too and what you are trying to accomplish with the site. I respect that with all my heart.

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I must respectully take exception to your implication that by forbidding personal insults on this site I am somehow compromising the principle of free speech.

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I am not implying that at all and I'm not stating that you allow insults nor am I implying that you are compromising the principle of free speech. I feel that you have misinterpreted my point. I know that you are very protective of everyone and the site, I don't hold that wrong, you love and care passionately for everyone and CE, it isn't easy to satisfy and make everyone happy, I admire that. I just think that insults only becomes an insult when someone takes it in as an insult rather than a statement of the other to get a specific point across, to think over and respond in an evolved way (just like jwhop and moonflower, and you and jwhop). Yes, sometimes I do see situations going to the extreme, not by one, but others too, but then they resolve it within themselves... they evolve. I am not talking about free speech as you said, I'm talking about "Freedom" to evolve, which include all those I have mentioned above as one. We are not a specific organization or publication to a specific physical cause. We are all spirits trying to rise above ourselves, to evolve above our fears, anger, weaknesses, faults and negativity. If we don't confront them or have the freedom to cause for us to confront them, then how do we do it. I have kept a lot of my thoughts and opinions to myself for "FEAR" of what I have to confront and "FEAR" of myself, telling myself I don't have time for this as an excuse. A cause was set up with what I thought is happening (maybe I caused it for myself). Now I am face with it to confront (what your reaction is to what I felt). It's my step up to evolving. Darwin is here for the same reason, just like all of us are, to resolve issues within himself so he too (his spirit) can have a chance to evolve. He can't do it alone, I can't do it alone, I'm sure most of us can't do it alone either, we are all here for each other, we need each other to interact to learn how to rise above ourselves, confront our negative selves and turn it around to make it closer for us to reach our higher selves.

Hi Libra

I don't mean to butt in here, because I know this is between you and Greg. But just now reading your post I think I know what you are saying. Correct me if I am wrong though because I don't want to be putting words into your mouth.

What I think you mean is that even in the negative interchanges we have have with others, or even the negative things that happen in our lives can be a source of spiritual growth for us if we think about it and also see where we are at fault rather than just blaming the other person. It is in our relationships with others that we come to truly know ourselves. We can't truly know ourselves if we only look at the good things about us that people point out but we also have to look at the bad parts as well that people point out to us. It is said, and I agree, that it is much easier to see the faults in others than it is to see the faults in ourselves. Our first instict is to defend and deny when someone points out our faults. That comes from the ego. But we really need to look at what others point out because it is the only way to come to know our true self. Then, not hate those negative things about ourselves, but instead, work at ridding ourselves of those things. No one is perfect and we all have faults, but then, none of us are finished products either.

Love, Connie

Hi Connie,

Yes, Thank you, that is exactly what I feel. You've put my thoughts and feelings in far better words than I have. I'm glad you understood. We are all part of another as much they are a part of us.

Greg.........I'm sorry!

I know you expected more from me......
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.....you expected me to show a little class and dignity.......
grace under pressure...

....forebearance..... tolerance.....

...and the ability to rise above every extremely hurtful insult Darwin spewed out at me!

And I let you down, with my angry and impulsive MARS IN SCORPIO IN THE FIRST HOUSE, vengence!!!!!

....again, I'm sorry...

I don't know what I did to provoke him.....(notice that he was not specific in his accusations....just like the first time).....but for him to attack me out of the blue (when my contribution to this thread amounted to very little in the first place and then it was not "dis" ing anyone except maybe Bill Kristol, whom I'm sure doesn't post on these forums).... So, for him to out and out attack me for no good reason at all, was as you said, uncalled for....totally unjustified!

........and Cristina......in spite of what you might have been trying to accomplish by posting that thread where Dawrin made his obscene remarks about the young girl, I do thank you for doing it....because even tho it was a "story" written by him, the obscenity in his story, was not something that a lot of us wanted to see on this forum......which proves to be prefectly obvious, as one follows the thread...

Also the whole revealing thread unfolds showing how he attacked me the first time, without provocation! . It was "out of the blue" just like this time.....and he also did not come up with evidence "showing" me where I'd done the things he claimed I did, even though I challenged him to show me....I want proof when I'm accused of something of which I'm not guilty!

So if your intent in bringing up that thread was to show that Darwin is a man of integrity, I don't think it worked......I think that once again, it was a thread showing his true colors....

......and yes Cris, I'll admit I probably used "unfair" fighting tactics, in fighting back........but I was matching that man blow, for low blow! Just like any "unevolved" Scorpio would do....

Chris....you say, "He knows how to dig deep within our psyche, which brings the worst out from most of us, but aren't we here to learn and know how to deal with the worst in us?"

What I want to know, is who assigned that job to him???? God knows there is enough out there to challenge us, as we try to evolve along our spiritual path every day, so we surely don't need Darwin here also testing us.......it was my thought that we are here for peace and love and understanding.....and when someone comes in and tries to thwart that....I don't think it's contributing anything toward our spiritual growth....

This man seems to take delight in calling me dysfunctional....which I probably am....and old, which I probably am (in the company of the likes of Annette Funicello, Connie Stevens, Mary Tyler Moore and Suzanne Pleshette....[a bunch of dwadling old ladies are we] ) ....and as long as he's hitting low, I wonder why he didn't dog me for also having high blood pressure, cancer and diabetes....(the cancer is in the past...but I DID have it and I think that makes me a naughty lady too, according to Garp)......makes about as much sense....

I've probably said far too much, even though there is a lot more I'd like to say...*sigh* (oh btw, I think it was my many *sighs* that got to good old Dar)....

Frankly, I hope I'm done...

Luv,
Rainbow

Donna, Cristina, Connie and Rainbow,

Thank you all for your loving replies and your affirmation of the value of working together to help one another grow spiritually. As individual human beings there will always be differences in our approaches to that growth (if there weren't, I suppose we'd already be there! ), but as long as we have a common purpose I believe we'll always find a way around whatever the difficulties and miscommunications may be.

Donna, if you want to steer clear of the political discussions I can hardly blame you. But I do think there is real value in stepping in to offer a viewpoint that you think has been missed, because unquestionably there are MANY alternate ways of looking at all these things, and the more we see the perceptions of others the better off we are, whether those perceptions "change our mind" about our beliefs or not. And I also believe that everyone here is emotionally and spiritually honest enough to actually CHANGE our minds if a viewpoint we hadn't previously considered makes clear and compelling sense. Perhaps not our core beliefs about fundamental values, but there are MANY assumptions we all have that could stand to be challenged and re-examined, and in the process of doing so we stand to gain at the VERY least a degree of empathy and seeing through the others' eyes which is a huge step above simply assuming that those who disagree with us are inexplicably ignorant or ill-willed. Anyway, thanks for being you!

Cristina, thanks for your clarification. I probably DID jump too quickly to assume you were suggesting that disallowing personal insults was a violation of free speech - I'm sensitive to the issue because I've heard that complaint quite a number of time from one side or the other (often both!) when feuds and arguments have come up on the site and I've invoked that policy to restore the peace rather than letting folks continue to verbally slug it out.

I do understand - and agree - that we learn from unpleasant confrontations as well as from smoother and happier exchanges. But there is a balancing act involved, because the unrestrained exchange of insults and anger can, and often DOES, lead in directions that take us AWAY from healing and growing ... and my long experience with discussion forums on the web has convinced me that when hostile exchanges are allowed to continue unchecked they bring about changes to the character of the forums that is actually harmful to all: the less confrontive and more sensitive folks tend to just leave rather than stand toe-to-toe with an agressive energy that feels hurtful or intimidating to them, while more aggressive and argumentative elements are attracted to the discussions, and the whole character of the site shifts away from the spiritual vibe that it its reason for being toward a contentious and competitive energy.

Now there's nothing "wrong" with contentious and competitive energy per se, it is surely a part of life ... but at this point in time it is MY perception at least that there is a HUGE overbalance in the direction of aggressive, confrontive energy in the world ... and I believe with all my heart that a critical survival skill for humanity at this point in time is learning to shift that balance more toward the cooperative and empathetic end of the scale. For that to happen, there have to be SOME places of refuge from hostility and confrontation, simply to give us room to LEARN the subtler skills of "agreeing to disagree" with respect and goodwill, otherwise the energy that is louder, more black-and-white, and in some ways more "natural" to us who have grown up in this extremely competitive and confrontive world, will ALWAYS end up drowning out and driving away the less agressive elements. Just the nature of the beast. That's why I've established the "no personal insults" rule here, and why I feel so strongly that it is my duty to enforce it with more than lip service. I don't think it's unfair to ask everyone here to abide by this rule while "in this house," especially when everyone who signs up to post here agrees to abide by the rules as a condition of registration.

Certainly I recognize that we're all human and we all get carried away at times, especially when we are discussing subjects we are passionate about. But if someone INTENDS to cooperate with the policy, a reminder should be sufficient when someone gets carried away. I don't have any problem with that. What I have a problem with is when someone indulges in personal attacks and insults over and over and over again, no matter how many warnings or friendly reminders are forthcoming. That says to me that the person has no intention of following the policy, and yes that does anger me, and no, it is NOT fair to the others on the site who rightfully expect this place to be the safe haven from attack and aggressive confrontation that it is "advertised" to be.

In this case, I feel that Darwin is deliberately taking advantage of the fact that he knows I like him and value his presence, and will be very reluctant to ban him ... so he uses that perceived "weakness" on my part to basically thumb his nose at the no insults policy, and I think that's very unfair to me personally AS WELL as the other members of the forum. Hey, a rule is a rule ... we don't have very many of them here, and whoever is not comfortable with this one doesn't have their arm twisted to ageree with it and become a member here. I don't see any reason why anyone should be "humored" to the extent of flagrantly ignoring it whenever he wants to lash out at someone. That, to me, shows a real disrespect for ALL of the rest of us ... and it does do real damage to the site and the community.

Anyway, enough, enough, enough ... I hope.

Love,
Greg

GREG............



LUV,
RAINBOW

Donna.......I am another one who is happy to see you back......and thanks for the support....it is so much appreciated.....

You speak of your Cancer Sun sensitivity.... I can really
relate to that....FIVE water signs in my natal chart....one of them being my Pisces Moon....so I've been thin skinned all my life...

But at least we feel...... Better than to be insensitive, I say....

Glad you're back, girl...please post more often...

Luv,
Rainbow

Hugs to you, {{{ Donna }}}. I'm another one who loves to know you're here. I feel really solid about your good heart. And I was wondering if I should mention earlier that if you and Connie had met on a different thread, you'd have hit it off great from the start.

Not that there's really all that much great about hitting it off right from the start. Hitting it off later after a clash at first is cool too.

Hugs {{{ Rainbow }}}. The onsite pretend psychologist are at it again, eh? I find that when amateurs think they're qualified to give psychiatric diagnoses using the labels out of the medical manual it's almost always a case of the pot calling the kettle black, or even the pot calling the garden hoe black. I've been diagnosed here by Sabra, my friend/not friend/friend again here and now unless he gets mad at me for this -- which IS NOT my intention, Eran . His diagnosis, while he was mad at me and behaving meanly (hey, it's true) was quickly followed up by the even funnier, more ironic, far more pot-calling-the-garden-hoe-black diagnosis by the ever-highly-opinionated, utterly anonymous Aries. In nearly every case, I believe, those heat-of-battle pseudo-psychiatric diagnoses of very specific terminology based on message board chatter are far more telling about the person who said them than about the person they're calling "black." Ya know? "It has to be you..." Cuz otherwise it might be them.

{{{Proxy, jwhop and Sabra}}} -- when you are good you are very very good, and when you are bad you are horrid. Whaddya mean, me too?

Hugs {{{Terri}}}. You took an undeserved hit. And, just to let you know, I'm really not trying to restart an argument with Aries, just giving her my delayed, considered reaction after all these weeks. Indirectly, I admit, but that's the context it came up in, so I'll have to let it suffice. Love you, and as always very much admire your even-handedness and spirit and caring.

{{{Cristina}}} -- You are a very kind person. And I appreciate your perspective into the dynamics of conscious evolution in the setting of our internet "reality show" kind of thing we've got going on here. (jwhop is going to think I'm a communist for mentioning this website in the context of a TV reality show...unrelated as communism may seem to the topic at hand.) Anyway, I do appreciate the way you frame what goes on. I just want to raise the point about being careful that you don't cross into that iffy, icky territory of "blaming the victim." You know, like a rape victim... Was she asking for it? Proxy lashes out at someone, someone gets hurt...so it's that person's fault for feeling insulted when Proxy levels a rank insult at them??? Gotta watch that tendency society builds into us. (And which some of the New Age thought, unleavened by real-life experience, can promote.)

When Proxy flaunts his mean streak he asks a lot from us, in terms of active forebearance and love, which takes energy. I'd have to say he built up enough goodwill with me, in his last few weeks of interactions, that I've got the love and forebearance for him at this point to say I'm really glad Greg gave him "one last chance," which is not the first time Greg has said that to Darwin.

I'm no doubt one of his dime-a-dozen divas who says Fu Yu and then goes for a walk when people on the board start getting too damn pissy. Because you know what? There's enough pissy people in everybody's life. Why you gonna go seek some out online in your off hours?

OK I love this place. I love the knowflakes. And to absent friends and absent former friends and absent future friends, {{{hugs}}}.

Love,
Maria

Maria, No, none of the iffy, icky territory of "blaming the victim." You know, like a rape victim...
Was she asking for it? type thing ...it's pointless without resolution, everyone gets hurt and non constructive.

Rainbow, I can definitely relate to the thin skin.

Connie, that was very nice of you. We both seem full of passion for humanity, and that is a good thing.

Christine, I agree so much with your thinking on evolving spiritually. One of the most important things for me, is to always remember it is OK to not like the action, but never the person. I think, we as humans, often react to the action, not the person.

Greg, that is the nicest thing anyone ever said to me, about me being me, I mean. Sometimes I wish I wasn't me,

I will say this current situation in world affairs certainly has all of us on edge. Passions are increased and concern is accelerated. We all want the best for humanity and beginning here with each other is a good place to start.

Love Always Prevails

Donna

Maria, it takes me forever to write my post, you must have been writing and posting till I got mine done.

Thanks for the hug, it most welcome.

You make me laugh, we are quite a motley crew, said in the most loving way.

Love,
Donna

Donna, you seem like a very sensitive and gentle person, and everyone here at the site
have great respect and look upon you highly, thank you.

Okay.....I'm blind.... I can't see it!....

For heaven's sake.... WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT I DID?????

Since I'm NOT a victim....I must have had it coming....

Did Sigmund get upset because of all my *sighs*???

FACT: I really do sigh a lot, and I've been dianosed with clinical depression....I take prozac.....

Are my posts irrational????

FACT: I feel a sense of humor is appropriate at times, to lighten the mood when things get serious....so yeah, I post goofy stuff now and then.....but I hardly feel it is irrational...*sigh* (here I go again)....

Anyway, for those of you to whom this applies....

......if being nice to someone (geese, what a new and unique idea), it babying them....then please continue to baby me....I LOVE it....*sigh* (yup, again)

.....and if the jig is up because I now know why so many of you are nice to me....then I can easily disappear too....no problem at all....

Donna, I'm truly relating to the sensitivey we talked about now.....

Remember the law of the jungle?????? The weak ones don't have a chance when a bully lets you know you're gonna be his dessert....

Luv,
irrationalrainbow...........