This is about the very things we have been discussing here. I have just had a very bad feeling that something was just not right about this war with Iraq. This concerns the things that Greg has been talking about. I am curious as to what they will have to say about it all.

Tonight on ABC's Nightline Conspiracy Theory: Blueprint for war

TONIGHT'S FOCUS: Several years ago, when President Clinton was still in the White House, and 9/11 was still not even a nightmare in anyone's mind, a group of mostly Republicans wrote a letter outlining a foreign policy strategy that involved regime change in Iraq, by force if necessary. Now
that several of those Republicans are in key positions in the Administration, some critics of the White House's current Iraq policy smell something fishy.

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The Project for the New American Century. Never heard of it? Well, don't feel bad. Few have. But have you heard of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld or Paul Wolfowitz? Back in 1997, those three out-of-office politicians and several other like-minded, mostly conservatives, were frustrated with American foreign policy. So they formed this new organization and a year later wrote a letter to then-President Bill Clinton calling for a "comprehensive political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam
and his regime."

Today, a 76-page paper written by the organization reads like a blueprint for the policy being carried out largely by Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. In fact, of the 40 people who signed that letter, 10 are
currently in the Administration.

Is this a case of democracy in action? Influential thinkers who became policy makers? Or is it, as some international critics of the White House's policy on Iraq have argued, a secretive organization pulling the strings of the President, with an imperialistic goal of dominating the world? Are these criticisms legitimate?

Tonight ABC News correspondent Jackie Judd will explore this conspiracy theory, and the influence and role of the Project for the New American Century. Ted Koppel will then speak with the Project's founder and chairman, Bill Kristol, who served in both the first Bush and the Reagan Administrations.


Nightline is on ABC at 11:30 P.M. Eastern Standard time

Love, Connie

Thanks, Connie......I'm going to be sure and watch...

Luv,
Rainbow

Jeez, I may have to break down and get a TV yet! But I'll have to rely on you guys for now. Thanks, Connie!

The fact that this subject is even being acknowledged and discussed on such a high profile mainstream program is astounding to me. Unless, of course, this is someone's idea of presenting the idea in a ridiculous light so that folks will dismiss further evidence of a covert agenda as it continues to surface ... ??? Man, I HOPE this is a serious inquiry into this question!

We shall see. Either way, it's an optimistic sign that the unanswered questions are looming large enough for enough people that they can't be just ignored any more.

Love,
Greg

Hi Connie and Greg.....I watched.....

Can't say they discussed much more than what you posted, Connie...but still as Greg said, the mere fact that the main stream media is even discussing it at all, is pretty amazing...*sigh*.......that Bill Kristol guy (not to be confused with Billy Crystal) gave me the heeby jeebies, tho...kinda reminded me of Dickens' Uriah Heep...*sigh*

Luv,
Rainbow

Hi Guys

I just finished watching the Nightline report regarding the blueprint for war. Ted Koppel did not play it down, nor did he draw any of his own conclusions. He kind of left it up to the viewers. Koppel first spoke about how this has been in the newspapers in many countries. That made me wonder why our news media is just now getting around to making this known to the American public.

These guys that formed this Project for the New Century organization are neo-conservatives. Many of them are from think tanks. They claim it is not a conspiracy because they have always been out in the open about it. Ted Koppel asked in what ways were they out in the open and the response was that they had placed articles in newspapers, magazines, sent faxes etc. They did not say which newspapers and magazines. Probably conservative ones.

The founder of the organization, Bill Kristol, said this is going to be the new policy that will be followed by whoever is in the White House, rather it is Bush for another four years, or whoever is elected. He said the U.S. has been too weak in it's foreign policy in the past. They want to bring democracy to all the countries of the Middle East. He spoke about Saudi Arabia and Iran as areas that also need to be addressed and he spoke about North Korea.

The program addressed the letter that was sent to Clinton when he was in office and he was not receptive to it, though he did bomb Iraq. They found in Bush someone very receptive to the plan. An opponent of all that is going on in the Bush administration said that these guys tell Bush in so many words that this is the manly way of dealing with the Middle East. There is no doubt that they are pulling the strings and those belonging to this organization are determining U.S. policy.

It was also mentioned that the attack on Sept. 11 was their chance to implement their agenda, referring to Sept.11 as their Peal Harbor.

To me it all makes more sense now and answers a lot of the questions about Sept. 11. It explains why Chaney did not want to hear the CIA report regarding the attack on Sept.11. It also explains why his supervisors interfered with the FBI agent doing his job in trying to warn the administration. I think they knew about the attack but did not want witnesses to that fact. If Chaney had listened to David Schippers, he would have been a witness to the fact that he had informed Chaney. It makes sense now why no fighter jets were sent up after those planes. Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Bush wanted Sept.11 to be their Pearl Harbor. How unthinkable and horrible that would be to let all those innocent people die just so they could implement their plan to go in and remove Hussein from Iraq.

That other countries knew about this plan makes it all the more clear why North Korea stepped up it's nuclear weapons production. I am really afraid that these guys are going to start WWlll.

Like you said Greg, I hope this Nightline program tonight starts opening the eyes of people and that the media keeps questioning this organization.

Also, the White House today refused to allow the representative from the Vatican address the press and thus, the nation. He was there to deliver a letter from Pope John Paul opposing this war and declaring it an immoral war. The head of Pres. Bush's own Methodist church spoke out against the war and said that Pres. Bush is not listening to anyone regarding this war.

I totally forgot that you don't have a TV, Greg or I would have taped Nightline tonight and sent it to you. Hopefully though, we will be hearing a lot more about this Project for the New Century organization and it's influence over Bush.

Love, Connie

Rainbow that guy gave me the creeps too. So did the other guy from the organization that they talked to. In fact, Rumsfeld gives me the willies.

They really didn't go into a whole lot of detail but maybe it will get the ball rolling with the press.

Love, Connie

Thanks for the thorough summary, Connie. I wish you would have taped it too. We have TV again, but we can't get networks on the satellite without a lot of rigamarole because of some law protecting local network affiliates' broadcast share even though their broadcast can't make it through our ore-filled mountains.

I'm glad the cat is out of the bag as regards the manly men's plan for the world. "We'd all love to see the plan," as the song goes.

We live in interesting times.

Love,
Maria

I found some info on the net regarding The Project for the New American Century. I think this explains the gradual stripping of our Constitutional rights in the name of Security. This is an evil organization.
http://www.newamericancentury.info/

About the
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New American Century

INFORMATION SITE about the PROJECT for a NEW AMERICAN CENTURY

INTRODUCTION

The Project for a New American Century is a concerning initiative which appears to promote a doctrine of positive American intervention, which some have likened to the beginnings of an American Empire for the 21st Century.

Its supporters and signatories represent extremely influential individuals with some close contacts and associations with the Bush administration. It appears to be a kind of Right-Wing thinktank, and the project website provides a mouthpiece for its expansionist philosophy.

At a time when democratic process, respect for territorial integrity, and international co-operation are desperately needed, the Project for a New American Century is speaking a language which many will find profoundly disturbing.

All over the world, ordinary people are expressing concern about the insidious growth of corporate empire, out of touch with local communities, in a globalised economy. This impersonal force, which can be likened to economic empire, has fundamental links with the United States.

At the same, there is a groundswell of concern about US military goals, that has been demonstrated in repeated opinion polls of ordinary people across the world. Even in the United Kingdom (whose government has supported George Bush on Iraq) 90% of people are opposed to the US taking military action without an international UN mandate.

In contrast, a study of the website at www.NewAmericanCentury.org suggests a world vision of America as a morally-invested nation setting out to impose its New American order upon other countries, whether or not they share the view of the US as a benevolent force for good.

In the coming weeks and months, we set out to investigate the material published in the name of the Project for a New American Century - a term which itself seems to signal a century belonging, not to the world, but to America.

We hope to analyse the doctrines and ideas presented by these influential people, many of them close to the heart of the US administration. We will invite dialogue with any of them. We will invite correspondence from others.

Please note - that this website is an Information site about the Project. It has no links with the Project, and is not passing itself off as the Project. Far from it. We have chosen the .info top level domain to signal our mission and intent to seek information about the Project and its participants.

We do not endorse a New American Century... We endorse a New International Century... A century where sharing and co-operation speaks louder than the dropping of bombs




We are NOT associated with:

www.newamericancentury.org ( This is the Projects web page)

Webmaster: Richard Henderson

Other articles regarding Project for the New American Century

Sierra Times: Titled - Project for the New American Century: The Death of our Republic by Michael Gaddy

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/03/03/gaddy.htm

A letter to the President by William Kristol (founder and chairman of Project for the New American Century

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document092101b.shtml

New You Won't Find on CNN - Information Clearing House RE: Project for the New American Century

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

Love, Connie

Hi guys

Connie, thanks so much for sharing all that great info! I tried to watch it, but must have had the a similar problem to Maria, there is a channel here that airs ABC stuff, but during newshours it reverts to a local station. So it was awesome to wake up and find all this here!

Two sentances from your description of the show really caused some thoguhts to coalese in my head....

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They want to bring democracy to all the countries of the Middle East.

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I have learned alot here from you guys about what exactly, "American Democracy" is. I never really knew that America is a Republic and how that was different than the "tyranny of the masses" that is defind as pure democracy. I think it's a far distinction, and I think it's fair to say that the systems and processes of America's Republic have worked very well for it. Still it strikes me as either sheeer aggorance or maybe just naivity to assume that American style democracy is what these countries need or want. And even Elanorna, who wants Saddam's regime toppeled for the best possible reasons, has said she doesn't think the area is ready for that type of governement. I fear the Iraqi people are going to be liberated from a brutal dictator to be governed by some kind of military junta, which will just be the face and mouthpeace of a more benevolent dictator, Bush. And all we need to do to see that in action is look at Afganistan, which is NOT the success story people claim it to be. Yes, the Taliban is routed, but the power vacuum left by that has seen brutal warlords assume power in the countryside. The only "safe" (and I use that term very loosely) place to be in the entire country is Kabul. They have a "democractically" elected leader - but he was chosen from a roster of candidates put forward by sources outside of the country. Not very democratic. I think this whole plea to bring democracy to the Middle East is nothing more than propaganda, a catch-phrase that appeals to the good natures and kind instincts of the average American, so that they will be more inclined to support the war. I question the motives behind this push though, I question them hard. And I wonder where it ends?

And here's the perfect statement to sum up exactly what kind of democracy this group of people seem to be pushing, "Also, the White House today refused to allow the representative from the Vatican address the press and thus, the nation." Yup, that's exactly the shining style of democracy the world ought to be emulating!

Oh, and btw, I just want to make sure of something: Bush is elected by popular vote. I know that - but how does the VP get into office, he is chosen by the party to be the "running-mate" at the outset of the election? But what say do the people actually have? Or is a vote for the pres a vote for the vp too, as in they are a package? And what about Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, etc...these seniro policy makers? Who votes for them?

Love,
Terri

Hi everyone,

I so wanted to watch this program but I fell asleep!
But I was excited that it is on mainstream TV but wish it would be broadcast at an hour when more people would be awake to watch it.

You know alot of people are giving the French such a hard time but I remember it was the French press who wrote the story that America would HAVE to be in Afghanistan before October 2001 or the multinational bankers would withdraw the funding for that oil pipeline as the region was just to volatile.
That story ran in May 2001.
We needed a Pearl Harbor and we got one.
But I think the vast majority of our people don't WANT to believe this. It is soooo unbearably painful.

All my life I have tried to live by "not judging a book by it's cover" but I just cannot deny that when I look at Cheny and Rumsfeld I see EVIL intent. I see Reagan and GW about the same....easily led men with childlike mentality.
But the ONE person in this mix that I can't get a handle on is Colin Powel. I don't "get" anything from him at all.
How does he strike the rest of you??

Hi Guys

I was up waaaay too late last night reading all this information on the Project for the New American Century. I really was amazed to find so much on the internet regarding this organization since I had not heard one thing about it in the mainline news media . That is not surprising when you consider how much influence and power this organization has. One of the articles that I read said that Fox News is owned by someone who has ties to William Kristol.

This organization, along with the Bush administration has a long game plan laid out and Iraq is only the first round in that plan. Iraq was described by Kristol as the "first" armed conflict, the beginning of many more to follow in order to gain control. Iraq is the ideal stategic launching ground and that is why the U.S. wants control of that country.

Terri you spoke about the elections in the U.S. and as Greg explained to you, the president selects his own cabinet. There is where the danger lies in the possibility of a dictator gaining control of this government. Regarding the election of 2000 there was always doubt and question concerning how Bush attained the office of President. It was no coincidence that it just happened to be his brother Jeb's state that messed up the election returns. Here is a quote from one of the articles I posted here last night:

The desire for these freshly empowered PNAC men to extend American hegemony by force of arms across the globe has been there since day one of the Bush administration, and is in no small part a central reason for the Florida electoral battle in 2000. Note that while many have said that Gore and Bush are ideologically identical, Mr. Gore had no ties whatsoever to the fellows at PNAC. George W. Bush had to win that election by any means necessary, and PNAC signatory Jeb Bush was in the perfect position to ensure the rise to prominence of his fellow imperialists. Desire for such action, however, is by no means translatable into workable policy. Americans enjoy their comforts, but don't cotton to the idea of being some sort of Neo-Rome.

George W. Bush along with his brother Jeb and their father have strong ties to this organization.

This is an outline of the Plan of The Project for the New American Century, which is from the site of the Sierra Times by Michael Gaddy:

The PNAC plan:

Supports a "blueprint for maintaining global US preeminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests."

This "American grand strategy" must be advanced for "as far into the future as possible," the report says. It also calls for the US to "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars" as a "core mission."


1. Refers to key allies such as the UK as "the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership."

2. Describes peacekeeping missions as "demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations."

3. Reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA.

4. Says "even should Saddam pass from the scene" bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as "Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has."

5. Spotlights China for "regime change" saying "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in Southeast Asia". This, it says, may lead to "American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratization in China"

6. Calls for the creation of "US Space Forces", to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent "enemies" using the Internet against the US. (How long will it be before those of us who oppose this quest for empire, become the "enemy"?)

7. Hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: "New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

8. Pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a "worldwide command-and-control system."

Regarding this plan Michael Geddy said: " The thoughts brought forth in this document should scare the beejeezus out of anyone who calls him or herself an American."

Terri you also mentioned Afghanistan. This is what Michael Geddy said of that regime:

We call what we seek to impose on the world, democracy. What majority of citizens in Afghanistan elected Hamid Karzai to be head of the country? Could it be coincidence Karzai was a former Unocal employee? Is it also coincidence the plan for the oil line across Afghanistan is now being implemented? Could the Taliban have become military opponents of the United States simply because they refused this same pipeline deal with Unocal after being wined and dined in Texas back when Dubya was governor in 1997?

Then Michael Geddy asks these very important questions:

What will become of those here in this country who seek to remain loyal to the Constitution? Will we not become just as much an opposing force to those who seek world domination as those in other countries who do not wish to become American subjects?

How much more of our personal resources will be required to accomplish world domination? How much more of our freedoms?

I agree with you Terri, not all countries want our form of government. Other countries have entirely different backgrounds and especially in the Middle East, long religious traditions. True democratic governments would be those chosen by the people from the candidates of their choice, not the candidates named by the U.S.

Regarding Colin Powell, Peggy, I think he is just a front man being used by the Bush administration because he is popular with the American public. Americans wanted him to run for President. I think he is being sold on the same bill of goods as the American people. Misinformation!

Terri that you did not know that our form of government was a Republic and not a democracy in the true sense of the definition is not something that most Americans know. I didn't know either until jwhop brought it up on a thread and I looked into it. The term "Republic" is not used any longer and it was never mentioned to me all through school. Even the government uses the words Democratic or Democracy when referring to our form of government.

This is all very frightening and now what do we do about it? This organization has to be stopped. I liked what Tommaso Palladini of Milan said as he marched against the war in Iraq with his countrymen: " You fight terrorism by creating more justice in the world."

Love, Connie

"Terri you spoke about the elections in the U.S. and as Greg explained to you, the president selects his own cabinet. There is where the danger lies in the possibility of a dictator gaining control of this government. Regarding the election of 2000 there was always doubt and question concerning how Bush attained the office of President. It was no coincidence that it just happened to be his brother Jeb's state that messed up the election returns. Here is a quote from one of the articles I posted here last night"

Moonflower

You forgot to mention a few things. The Florida vote in the contested districts were recounted, what? 5 times? And that Bush/Cheney won every recount. You also didn't mention that all those districts were under the control of local DEMOCRAT election organizations and that they and not the Governor are responsible for their own voting districts or that for some strange reason, only the elderly in those districts didn't have the strength to punch the chads completely out, or that for some strange reason, only voters in those Democrat districts couldn't read the ballots correctly.

You also failed to mention that Florida election law is set by the Florida Legislature and not the Governor and that strict procedures are laid out by law as to protests of results, timetables for declaring the final results and how recounts are to be handled.

You also failed to mention the 3 boxes of ballots found in the back of a Democrat vehicle--in violation of the law or the ballots hanging out of the pockets of Democrat lawyers--in violation of the law, or the Bush ballots found in the stacks of Gore ballots readied for a hand recount, or the felons barred from voting in Florida who voted for Gore, (by the way, we discovered that felons vote democrat 87% of the time) Next to last, you failed to mention that Gore tried to cheat his way to the White House.

Lastly, any politician who can't win even when he cheats is too incompetent to hold office. If Gore were to run against Bush again, I doubt he could manage 30% of the vote. The events of 9/11 brought home the fact to Americans that a strong leader is needed in the White House and Gore is simply not qualified.

jwhop

Thanks Connie

Although, as you say, this entire document contains enough to scare the bejesus out of anyone who favors the form of government our founding fathers created and that we THINK we're still living under, to me there is one paragraph that is bone-chilling to the marrow: paragraph 7, where it says

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"...advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

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Okay, leave aside the obvious question of why our government would continue to need to develop ever more advanced forms of weaponry and warfare even after we have achieved a position of unchallengeable global supremacy, and ponder this -- what conceivable "political use" could a biological weapon that targets "specific genotypes" have? The only use for weapons that target human beings based on specific genetic characteristics is genocide!

These are the published policy aims of the folks who are now running this country! And it's not even being denied ... their "defense" against charges that this is a conspiracy is that they have stated these aims publicly all along!

Hey folks, it's time to call a spade a spade: Saddam is a madman and a brutal enemy of humanity, yes ... but he's a penny-ante amateur compared to the enemy of humanity that now holds the reins of Federal power in the U.S. We must stop these folks in their tracks NOW, or the world is in for a dark ages that will make the first millennium look like a garden party! Yes, that's an alarmist sentiment. It is time to be alarmed. Past time.

Love,
Greg

I agree 110%.

their "defense" against charges that this is a conspiracy is that they have stated these aims publicly all along!

A crime like that is a crime no matter what.

It's the same crime they used against the ones they arrested here in Oregan.

Do you suppose, theroetically of course, that if 39 of my bubbies and me published an intent to kill all of them, that it woulfd be justified when I did it. Do you think they would even read such a publication, thinking it was the rant of madmen.

They are down right insane criminals with their fingers on the triggers, there hands in the til, and a match held to the Constitution. If the Senetors we elected can't see this then they are part of the conspiracy.

The law will get them. It's just a matter of time.
If they know what's good for them, they would start impeachment ASAP.

And tell our troops to Stand Drown!
And bring them home.


I have never seen such moronic thinking from educated, grown men. It has a cerntain intrinsict hint that they are not there for the service of man, but to serve man (up to the sacarficial alter of some delivlish plan, the kind that lurks in the darkest parts of Godless men.)

More shame and sufferage for American History.
How many times and how long will it take to rewrite the write of the might, and make it right?
This one may not even get a chance.

I will lament in song until the hard ed
are finished killing themselves.

Greg, I totally agree with what you and Proxy said about this organization. It definitely has to be stopped. I intend to write my representatives in the House and Congress, call them too. Just as Proxy mentioned, I have been wondering why no one in Congress has stood up and opposed what they must KNOW is going on in Bush administration and the influence of this group on the President. I intend to ask my representatives about this organization to see what their reply may be. On ABC News tonight I got the feeling that Tom Daschel was hinting at this organization when he said that there are those in this administration who do not have the best interest of this country as their agenda. The Republicans out number the Democrats in Congress now which is why Bush was handed a blank check for this war. Bush then proceeded to follow the Project for the New American Century organizations suggestion to the penny of what was needed in the war budget. This is a quote from one of the sites I posted:

"Recall that PNAC demanded an increase in defense spending to at least 3.8% of GDP. Bush's proposed budget for next year asks for $379 billion in defense spending, almost exactly 3.8% of GDP."

Another part of the article reflected what you and Proxy said in your posts:

"The People versus the Powerful is the oldest story in human history. At no point in history have the Powerful wielded so much control. At no point in history has the active and informed involvement of the People, all of them, been more absolutely required. The tide can be stopped, and the men who desire empire by the sword can be thwarted. It has already begun, but it must not cease. These are men of will, and they do not intend to fail."

Why is the world media reporting to it's people about PNAC and the plans of this organization, Bush and his appointee's involvement with PNAC, yet the media in the U.S. is not doing their job of informing the American public? It seems that all our media is doing is helping Bush to promote his war with Iraq.

We have to help get the word out to the American Public about PNAC and their plan for world hegemony. How do we do that? My husband suggested printing out the information about PNAC and posting it on message boards. There are message boards all over the country. We have them in supermarkets, dept. stores, on college campuses, and in work places here in Michigan. Also maybe make up flyers and distribute them? What do you think? There must be other ways as well.

Greg, I found number 7 on that plan list from PNAC chilling too. Genocide can be the only use for those weapons targeting "specific genotypes".

Thank you for the information on the election results in Florida, jwhop. I must be one of the 13% of people who predominently vote Democratic who are not criminals. It appears that those who vote Republican, while they are not criminals themselves, vote the criminals into office. I'm just teasing, because as I said before, Democrats can be criminal too.

Love, Connie

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7. Hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: "New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

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That entire paragraph above is totally taken out of context and has no bearing whatsover on the report. Has anyone read the actual report? I did, out of curiosity and it surely doesn't even imply what the above says.

"Moreover ,there is a question about the role nuclear weapons should play in deterring the use of other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, such as chemical and biological, with the U.S. having foresworn those weapons'
development and use. In addition, there may be a need to develop a new family of nuclear weapons designed to address new sets of military requirements, such as would be required in targeting the very deep under-ground, hardened bunkers that are being built by many of our potential adversaries. Nor has there been a serious analysis done
of the benefits versus the costs of maintaining the traditional nuclear "triad." What is constant is based upon two important truths about the current international order. One, the Cold-War standoff between America and its allies and the Soviet Union that made for caution and discouraged direct aggression against the major security interests of either side no longer exists. Two, conventional warfare remains a viable way for aggressive states to seek major changes in the international order. Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait reflected both truths. The invasion would have been highly unlikely, if not impossible, within the context of the Cold War, and Iraq overran Kuwait in a matter of hours. These two truths revealed a third: maintaining or restoring a favorable order in vital regions in the world such as Europe, the Middle East and East Asia places a unique responsibility on U.S. armed forces. The Gulf War and indeed the subsequent lesser wars in the Balkans could hardly have been fought and
won without the dominant role played by American military might.

"Munitions themselves will become increasingly accurate, while new methods of attack - electronic, "non-lethal," biological - will be more widely available."

And the paragraph below is simply a theoretical conjecture into the future of possibilites, not something planned or to take effect. It is simply their reasonings why there should be an increase in military spending since our military was beginning to suffer from lack of funding, done by Clinton, I might add. Really folks, read the entire report. It is nothing like it is portrayed by all those sites posted. Just a report to convey the need to increase a military budget. Certainly not a take over.

"Although it may take several decades for the process of transformation to unfold, in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and "combat" likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, "cyber-space," and perhaps the world of microbes. Air warfare may no longer be fought by pilots manning tactical fighter aircraft sweeping the skies of opposing fighters, but a regime dominated by long-range, stealthy unmanned craft. On land, the clash of massive, combined-arms armored forces may be replaced by the dashes of much lighter, stealthier and information-intensive forces, augmented by fleets of robots, some small enough to fit in soldiers' pockets. Control of the sea could be largely determined not by fleets of surface combatants and aircraft carriers, but from land- and space-based systems, forcing navies to maneuver and fight underwater.Space itself will become a theater of war, as nations gain access to space capabilities and come to rely on them; further, the distinction between military and commercial space systems - combatants and noncombatants -will become blurred. Information systems will become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces. And advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool. This is merely a glimpse of the possibilities inherent in the process of transformation,
not a precise prediction. Whatever the shape and direction of this revolution in military affairs, the implications for continued American military preeminence will be profound. As argued above, there are many reasons to believe that U.S. forces already possess nascent revolutionary capabilities, particularly in the realms of intel-operational concepts - designs and concepts different than those contemplated by the current defense program - to maximize the capabilities that already exist. But these
must be viewed as merely a way-station toward a more thorough going transformation."


Bill Kristol is a regular contributer and political contributer on Fox News Channel. He is not any of the things said about him in above posts. He is not evil, nor is he trying to start any evil program to take over anything.

Hi Donna

Thanks for posting that. I saw it too but some people will see it and place the most extreme interpretation on it, being predisposed to do so.

I though Kristol laid it out straight. If there's going to be peace in the world, someone is going to have to lead and it won't be the bungling, bumbling, incompetent UN.

There are two ways of looking at things. America's detractors want to pull America down to their level. America wants to raise other countries up and has been doing so at our expense for years. America's detractors scream that foreign workers don't make as much as American workers doing the same jobs but those jobs were exported to those nations to build up their economies and give their workers jobs. Jobs that pay more than they would make working for a home grown employer and jobs they line up for. It costs America nearly a half trillion dollars a year in balance of trade payments to have those products made elsewhere. Those are dollars flowing out of America, out of our economy and into another.

But none of that is going to matter nor will anyone gain from letting a bunch of petty dictators or radical Islamic terrorists or any other kind set the world on fire.

Nor is anyone pulling the President's chain as some continue to insist. Nor is the President a tyrant who wants to rule the world. He is the most powerful man in the world now. He could pick up the phone to every leader in the world tomorrow and tell them to stand down and they know if push came to shove, he could make it stick.

The President has decided it's time for peace and real security in the world and if some butts have to be kicked to bring that about and some murderous dictators removed to make it possible, so be it because it's the right plan. I don't give a damn who put it together.

The issue was biologicals, non lethal biologicals. So, now we have the very same people who say they are against killing attacking a plan that calls for the development and deployment of weapons that only incapacitate instead of killing. Go figure.

jwhop

Hi Donna,

Except for the fact that Kristol was on ABC's Nightline and said he was the main guy the wrote the plan to oust most of the Arab rulers by military force and install psudeo democratcies.

Maybe he didn't really mean it?
Because when asked about the conditions of the people to substain a democratcy such a unfeed half crazed religiously brainwashed people he said somelike, OH!

It amazes me, no, astoishes me, no overwhelms me, how a person on a spiritual site doing Astrology, that is a self proclaimed heatheren anti-christ working for a self proclaimed atheist con man can come out in support for a polictical wordly spin docter and say he is a nice guy.

Interesting value system you have?


Love and tick, tick, tick,
Darwin

This is an article concerning PNAC from the Atlanta Journal - Constitution by Jay Bookman. At this site you can also access more information and download the PNAC report.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/0902/29bookman.html

This, along with Nightline, are mainline news sources. Everyone can't be wrong about PNAC. While the flag wavers who consider themselves the true patriots and everyone who disagrees with them are un-American, the rest of us will try to save this country and have it represent what it always has represented in the world. The U.S. has always been a beacon in a dark world. I refuse to let a bunch of self-proclaimed neo-conservatist butt wipes and war mongers take this country down. I refuse to let them put a match to the Constitution and take away my rights in the name of security or anything else.

Donna, is that just your opinion of Mr.Kristol or do you know him personally? Because if it is just your opinion what makes you think you are right and our opinion, along with a lot of newspaper reporters and others, is wrong?

I agree, Proxy. It also amazes me that spiritual people would think that it is okay to blow people up and force our form of government on them. How does that make this country, this administration any different than Hussein? And is more deaths going to even the score for 9/11? The people who are so hot on this war are also people who do not forgive their enemies and seek revenge instead in their personal lives. How many deaths will it take to even the score for 9/11? How many people have to die to satisfy that revenge?

Love, Connie

You better check out your information about all that money those workers in other countries are making, jwhop. You must have been or are a CEO.

Connie

Hi guys, I'll have some more insights to contribute to this in the morning ... we had a major power outage here and I've been kicked out all evening!

In the meantime, though, let me please ask everyone to keep it cool ... I think we've been doing a pretty good job of discussing some issues with MAJOR consequences and MAJOR emotional attachments without letting it turn personal, and that's been really useful and productive, so let's please keep it that way. Proxy, although I happen to agree with your assessment of the issues here completely, Donna is a member of our community, a fellow seeker and a human being ... nothing is served by calling her "a self proclaimed heatheren anti-christ working for a self proclaimed atheist con man." That's neither accurate nor appropriate to the mutual respect that community discussion requires. It's just personal insults which - remember? - are not allowed here.

Thanks.

More tomorrow, gang.

Love,
Greg

moonflower

You are not going to save the United States by tearing it down nor will you save a single life in the world by your antiwar, anti America stance. What you will do is embolden those who would kill with impunity, enslave their people and set the stage for a far larger war that will kill far more people.

Nor am I impressed by you posting some airhead's interpretation of what a report means or what anything means for that matter. I think for myself and don't need the Dan's, Peter's or Tom's of the world to 'splain what it all means to me, and I wish you didn't either. I sure don't need anyone from the Atlanta Journal Constitution to interpret for me. Just what exactly makes you think reporters have the inside scoop on the truth. In reality, they're mostly politically driven hitmen and women attempting in every way to sensationalize common every day events to sell newspapers and increase revenues from advertising by enlarging circulation. There's little truth there. They are not seekers of truth or bastions of freedom and have abandoned the honored "who" "what" "where" and "when" to put their spin on events by supplying a "why", something they know absolutely nothing about.
Besides which, according to your conspiracy theory, they're part of the conspiracy. So, why do you quote them?

As for your question, does Donna know Bill Kristol personally, the same would apply to you and anyone else who judges his honesty or integrity. So, do you know Bill Kristol personally?

Again, you compare our government to Saddam Hussein. It's becoming increasingly difficult to take anything you say seriously or anyone else who would make such a radical moral equivalent.

jwhop

Jwhop,

I don't really care if my posts don't impress you. I am not here to impress you. I am not anti-American simply because I do not worship George W. Bush the way you do. Unlike you, I can distinguish the difference between this country and the president. I am not tearing this country down. I am not tearing your hero down either. I just don't like the way he and his cronies are running the government. There is a difference you know between the president and this country. He was not elected by the popular vote if you recall so does it surprise you that others don't worship him as you do? We stopped bowing to monarchies a long time ago. At least most of us did. Just because you, along with your emperor think that blowing up the world solves everything that does not mean that anyone who disagrees with war as the answer to everything is un-American. You can kiss Bush's feet but I'm not going to do that.

Anyone who does not hold the same view as you do is an airhead and wrong. So it does not surprise me that you deem those reporters airheads. While I still have any Constitutional rights left I am going to voice my opinion about George Bush rather you like it or not. Doing that does not make me un-American. Kissing feet and bowing is your thing, not mine.

Respect is something that has to be earned. It doesn't come along with a title or anything else. George W. Bush has to earn respect the same as everyone else. In this morning's paper he is quoted as saying, "We don't need anyone's permission..." God has spoken, so be it.

George W. Bush obviously doesn't care about the people in this country because the unemployment rate keeps going up, states are having to cut school funding, hospitals are having to cut staff, the corporations keep raping the economy. The list of woes in this country under his administration keeps mounting while he beats the war drum. Oh yeah, I forgot, killing people is the way to help the economy. One more thing, as long as Bush acts like Hussein I will keep comparing him to Hussein. They both want to dominate the world. Some people can't handle power without going overboard and wanting more and more power. I think Mr. Bush comes under that category.

Love and Peace, Connie