Terri. I never thought of the actual position of Chiron. Saturn representing the lock would make sense. Saturn = restrictions. In Hindu myth, Saturn is depicted as a lame god. Kind of like chiron's wound and definitely the way we might feel in the area of life represented by the house that chiron falls in. Held back, handicapped, wounded. (Strangely, handicapped is a word I used for myself when it came to relationships. lol) Still thinking about the Uranus side of it. Expect the unexpected? Sudden genuis? How does this fit in? Any thoughts? There's one word that I do tend to associate with Uranus and that's Freedom. And I think I used it somewhere on this thread when referring to what happens after you undergo the necessary healing Chiron points you towards.

Hm....this thought spiral is starting to look like a hot trail.

Hi Gals,

Chiron is the Rainbow Bridge between the Inner and Outer Planets according to Barbra Hand Clow (the author of the book Chiron) which Woody has been providing you information from... I'd say that that pretty much fits in with your thought there Terri.

If any of you haven't read this book yet, you will really love it! Just ask Jenn (Tripal Cardnal), she has the book and Chrion in the 7th if I remember correctly.

What else would you all like to know about Chiron that I can share with you from this wonderful book...? How about I start with Chiron in Pisces, since a few of us born in the 60's have it, then maybe something about Chiron in Gemini?

Be right back...

Chiron in Pisces (from Barbra Hand Clow's book Chiron )

"When Chiron is in Pisces, there is a crisis over connecting with the God force, the Universal oneness. This native is hearing the siren call from across the sea, seeing the Will-O-the Wisp in the swamp, is hearing the flute of Pan or Kokopelli - he/she hears different music than most of us. This is a fascinating position because we now possess the experiential tool, the analysis of Chiron in the chart, to gain a truly palpable grasp of Neptune. For humans, nothing can really be completely understood unless we have a material, emotional, mental, and spiritual grasp of it. The Chrion focus of space and time is the key to the materiality of Neptune. Remember, visualize Chiron as a focal point of a vortex with Neptunian resonance as the wide rim. Individuals with Chiron in Pisces are the manifestors of this subtle force, the Chirotic force, but they are way out on the wide rim of the spiral.

This teaching about Chiron in Pisces is the most obtuse in this book. That is because it is about the astral plane. We are only now beginning to understand how astral energy affects us on this planet because we could not get a grip on its energy until the sighting of Chiron. But, working with astral energy is part of the process of clearing that we need in order to manifest high Neptunian energies - being in touch with the divine."

There is more, but there are pages, and she goes into much detail using different clients charts and examples of how Chiron squares influenced them... and so on. This book is very similar to Jeff Green's books on Pluto, if any of you have read them.

Now on to Gemini...

Chiron in Gemini

When Chiron is in Gemini there is a personal crisis about integration here on Earth which affects balance and the nervous system greatly. These natives are highly attuned to the consciouness of individuals around themselves, and to mass awareness. They were mostly born between 1933 and 1938 (she doesn't gear anything towards you younger one's born with this aspect) during Nazism and atomic experimentation as Pluto manifested again on Earth. Their crisis is to find new ways of perception and integration here. This group will become very important to the human race as they wake up and realize they posess the natal tool - Chiron in Gemini - to understand and communicate about the crises their parents suffered with. Thus astrologers must work hard with these clients to guide them into their natural role as teachers and communicators.

As Richard Nolle put it, "Awareness is the keynote for persons born under this Chiron sign, whose prime existential mission is to understand the way we think in order to effect changes in our mental realities." Thus, these individuals are meant to learn that the way we think creates the reality we live in, and that we can change it if we believe that. These natives will believe it when they experience it, and their very awareness will alter the hologram if they can become conscious that how they think alters reality at their Chiron return."

Wow this thread is turning out to be fairly interesting! Veneo, does that Chiron book have anything for aspects to Chiron? I know you probably don't want to type out interpretations for everybodies Chiron aspects. But if there is any info for Chiron conjunct MC, I would be greatly appreciative, as it is my only Chiron aspect. If not that's okay, how about Chiron in the 10th house? My Chiron is also in Taurus btw, as I'm sure it is for a few others on here as well. Thanks!

Howdy All,
I wanted to add a little about Chiron in Pisces. I'll have Veneo talk about Chiron conjunct MC because she has this aspect.

A bit of info from the book Chiron:
"The most fascinating synchronicity in this whole astrological evolution exists in the fact that the group born between 1961-68 with Chiron in Pisces almost all have Pluto in Virgo opposite Chiron in Pisces. This means this group of future healers will walk the rainbow path in their lifetimes because their sense of Pluto is as an evolutionary force to be used for total clarity."

Chiron is the key to activating and clearing our DNA. Chiron is the bridge between the right and left brain allowing a person to use both sides of the brain. Chiron can balance/intergrate the energy between the inner planets and outer planets. Plus Chron wants to heal the planet too.


Woody

Wowwww!!! What an interesting Thread it has Become.. Thanks Guys.. and Veneo thanks for Interpreting the Chiron's for US!!!!

Hey Write On.. I am Glad that you 2 met..!!! I wish I could Meet someone too..like that.. you know WHEVER i Start to think that i have.. It gets Cursed.. So I am Scared to think that I have..

Thanks Woodchiro for your wonderful interpretation..

Hope to see more..!! its getting really interesting..!!

Love
Sily

Hi Guys

Blas, I'll be happy to share with you about Chiron in Taurus, and Chiron in the 10th. Are you sure it's in the 10th? The only reason I ask, is because mine is in the 9th. She doesn't interpret it to the Angles, but my feeling is that being a healer or doing healing work in one capacity or another is going to bring fullfillment as a Career.

Silky,
I can remember feeling and thinking as you did about relationships, and just wanted to tell you how important thoughts are. Our thoughts create our reality, so if you put those thoughts out there, that is what you get back. The best thing you can do is work on making yourself whole and happy, and the rest will come! Just trust in that... I guarantee you it works.

Now on to Chiron in Taurus (in the next post)...

Chiron in Taurus

"When Chiron is in Taurus, a search for values on the material plane predominates. This position takes the question of material values to a very critical level: what is right or wrong, permanent or not, becomes a crisis. These natives rarely bring something new into reality, but they are manifestors of material from other people whom they believe in. They want to preserve the values thay see in something which already exists. The house position of Chiron reveals the nature of the values they are interested in. The historical period they were born (here again she's talking about the older generation with this aspect) within was characterized by a search for value, and these natives are equipped natally to respond to the needs that were the concern of their parents who came out of the Great Depression. These individuals are adept at coping well with financial resources.

My clients with Chiron in Taurus are all heavily influenced by a morality system which they value greatly. It is important to analyze these clients to see if they are stuck in the value system to the exclusion of creativity. Free will and the ability to act for justice is blocked without creativity. This system is valuable if it is being actively utilized, otherwise it functions as an opportunity to block Chirotic energy. The house position of Chiron in Taurus is the key. First examine the house position to see is the value system of that house is active in the life of the client by questioning the client about it. For example, someone with Chiron in Taurus in the tenth house would show evidences of marked valuing of power and activity in the outside world."

Chiron in the 10th House

"The angular houses of the zodiac represent the four directions on Earth, expressing vertical reach energy, which connects higher planes to Earth, crossed in the middle by horizontal spread power. We are pulled out by Aries/Libra to know the self and to encounter the other. The vertical reach of Cancer/Capricorn is the individualized Tree of Life of our natal system causing it to spread downward in the third and fourth houses, and the energy of the ninth and tenth houses reaches incessantly upward, testing our desire to ascend to the sky. These are the cardinal houses where all activity is initiated. The tenth house is the gateway to the last quadrant of the zodiac, the tenth through twelfth houses where we give to the outside world all we have gathered in the first nine houses. In the tenth, we give our power and work; in the eleventh, we give our utmost creativity; and in the twelfth, we manifest our Chirotic force into the cosmos.

Chiron's presence in the tenth house signals a crisis about manifesting true purpose on the Earth plane. The energy of the tenth house is Saturnian; the energy of the eleventh house is Uranian, thus the natural growth progression of the tenth and eleventh houses is the most specific expression we have of the bridging energy from Saturn to Uranus by Chiron. The tenth house is pragmatic, and is the essence of bringing matter into form. The eleventh house is idealistic and limitless and is the essence of stretching ourselves to the highest potential gifting. The tenth house trines the house of Chiron (the sixth). The trines to the sixth from the second and tenth houses express the full essence of the being of the Centaur. This master warrior force wants power at the highest levels of the tenth house, and he can only sustain it with the perfect grounding force of the second house. Then the warrior force movces from the power of the tenth to the prodding driving quincunx of the eleventh house. The tenth house will always be a driven house because that is where we get the planetery juice, but it only becomes a sacred power if we are prepared to give it all away in the eleventh. The native with Chiron in the tenth house is not seeking power for power's sake; he or she is seeking power for release to Uranus.

(skipping a few paragraphs here onto the sixth paragraph)

Many of my clients with Chrion in the tenth were very confused about using power until their Saturn return. Many of their difficulties with Chiron in the tenth start resolving at the Satrun return. Their confusions were mostly caused by projections from childhood coming from people who had a personal interest in this child getting power. In most cases, the men had been heavily projected upon by their mothers and felt extreme aversion to success.

The key to Chiron in the tenth house is the mastery of power as a sacred gift. These individuals must accept their birthright fo much needed leadership with sensitivity. These individuals will begin to manifest wonderful New Age work when many of the outer planets move into Capricorn in the late 1980's. Astrologers should especially try to assist these individuals around the time of their Uranus opposition. It is hard for them to let go of Saturn control because they seem to feel the power of Uranus very intensely. These individuals become increasingly electric in their mid-thirties, and they need guidance to keep from becoming confused. Shirley MacLaine and Marilyn Monroe both have Chiron in the tenth. Marilyn Monroe could not handle her own power, and Shirley MacLaine is a model of assuming her power."

Hey Kel -

Thanks for taking so much time to post all those descriptions! I'm really learning alot here

My younger sister has Chiron in Taurus, in the 12th. The idea of a search for values makes sense for her, but I am stumped about the 12th house. Oops, I just realized I am not - ever since she was little she has been interesting in psycology, espeically criminal behaviour and uncovering deep secrets of why and how people do what they do. I can now how that is manifesting through the 12th house, especially as she is now in school studying for a career along these lines....

I'm on my out with my son to a "Captian Underpants" event at the local bookstore. I think I'm going to have to look for this book while I am there...

Love,
Terri

Hi Kel.

I have a book on Chiron, I have it at home and don't remember the author, but I think it is the same book.

In it is the mythological story of Chiron, and it is fascinating, how he ended being the "Wounded healer".
I have found that to understand better the energies of the planets, reading the mythological story of the God helps a lot.

I have Chiron in Aquarius,mmmm!! am I the oldest one around here????
You don't have to write Aquarius, because I have already read it, only if another Chiron in Aquarius appears...
Mine is on House 12, so it works like Piscis too...

Does the word "chiropractor" come from the same sourse as Chiron?

Love,

Tish

Hi Terri I have Chiron in the 12th also. And, like your sister, I have an interest in psychology. I'm trying to get into a masters in counseling program now.

And, like you, my Chiron is in Aries because we're close to the same age

Kel, that's so nice of you to type up all these excerpts. I haven't had a chance to read every post here, but you guys certainly are having an interesting discussion!

Wow, thanks Veneo!

Some of the info of Chiron in the 10th really made a lot of sense there...

It is hard for them to let go of Saturn control because they seem to feel the power of Uranus very intensely.

Oh... how true that statement is. I've always said that I let the Saturn square Neptune in my natal chart become too powerful, it's always been so much easier and comforting for me to escape reality. As for feeling the power of Uranus very intensely, in my opinion, for myself, that is an understatement. I just changed my MSN alias to "Uranian Cranium" yesterday as well. As I stated on the Uranus in Pisces thread, all the affliction to my natal Uranus, which falls in my 4th house, and well, I am the "black sheep" of my family if you will, everyone thinks I am crazy. Reading that part of the interpretation just backed up what I already knew, that my Uranus seems to be very powerful, I am also born on the 13th which equals 4, which vibrates to Uranus. As for the rest of it, well, I'm still in my early 20's, and just went through Uranus square Uranus, so I am have way to that Uranus opposition, I'll let you know how that goes if we are all here still and the world still exists. Thanks again for typing all that out!

Hi guys,

I just had to post here. I love Chiron. . . I've learned so much from this guy!! Kel, I cannot believe you remembered my Chiron placement-- wow. . .that was so heartwarming for me to read. . .and you were right. He does live in my 7th house. . .all by himself!! Ha! But my Chiron is heavily aspected-- it is part of a Grand trine with my Sun & Saturn. . within 1-2 degrees of orb. And with a 5-6 degree orb it pulls Mercury & Venus into that grand trine to join in on all that nice trine-y energy.

But it also sextiles my Moon & Jupiter ( less than 1 degree). . .which creates a kite in my chart. . . I like my kite. . . with Jupiter & the Moon being the tip of it . . .the Sun the bottom & Chiron & Saturn anchoring in all that energy. .

Chiron in the 7th. . . well. No, relationships have not been easy for me. I have been a very passionate, dramatic kind of girl all my life, and I've had some broken hearts in my day-- oooooh boy! But nothing I would think of as a permanent "wound" that I carry. My dad did leave when I was four, and sometimes I have atendency to select men that just so happen to be moving far away in a couple of months. . . that's a pattern, I don't know how I do this. . . and then, unavailable men . . . I know this is a pattern, and probably to do with Chiron in the 7th, in Taurus. . .in Taurus, all the more stubborn. But I'm aware of it in any event.

I don't like the rhetoric of "wounding". Maybe this is because I am a Capricorn & have little patience for wallowing in the woundedness. . . I come from a family of poor-poor-pitiful mes. . . & I believe that gloom is cheap.
You gotta maintain your own spirit come what may. . .

Not to say that I don't believe Chiron can coincide with some very painful times in the life. . . I fell apart when I was 18 and Chiron transited my ASC ( I had no knowledge of astrology back then. . . but when I learned astrology, I had to go back & see what was happeneing the March I was 18. . . cause I fell to pieces. I was having anxiety attacks & terrors. . . everyone thought I was going to have to be put on anti-depressants or something. . . But my best friend sat by me everyday for a month & we talked me out of the terrors. . . I realized a lot of stuff. . .nothing I could ever sum up in a post. It was literally a very, very freaky, frightening time. But looking back, I see it as Chiron waking me up, and forcing me to contend with my own issues, issues I'd always ( as a teenager) laughed off & pretty much scoffed at the idea that I couldn't handle everything under the sun.
But it opened my heart. . .in so many ways. . . Chiron is a key. . .I believe that. . .my heart flooded open. Within months I also discovered my spirituality ( another thing I had scoffed at before)

Now. This winter, the very moment Chiron squared my Asc, my mother fell and broke her foot. ( Saturn was square her Mars in Pisces at the time-- but I knew that with Chiron squaring my Asc, this event would call on me to rise & help. . .and it did)

Last year when Chiron squared my Sister's sun/Venus/Mars conjunction in Aries, she was afflicted with a rare nerve disorder ( CIDP) that paralyzed her legs for a month.

Spooky, huh? But these wounds have allowed them to heal more than physical problems, to think & grow mentally & emotionally & develop the strength needed to make it through any challenge. . .

Right as I write this, Chiron is on my IC. I am having to care for my Mom while her foot is up, plus my Grandmother had a heart attack-- I've had to spend time at my childhood home & away from Uni-- its been a testing time. . . Trying, but I am learning to balance & bridge these two halves of myself ( the independant & the co-operative)

Chiron, in my experience, is not to be taken lightly. . .but he isn't just an endless wound. . .he is however, I believe, an endless source of wisdom & opportunities for growth. . .


Jennifer

PS. . .all you guys with Taurus Chirons-- have you tried gardening??? Gardening, putting my hands in the Earth, the soil, the dirt. . .it has been more healing & wholing for me than any other spiritual practice ( and gets us in tune with Taurean Earth energy. . .) Just a suggestion. I am a garden fanatic-- people laugh, say I am an old woman before my time, etc etc. . . but they have no idea the strength you can get from a garden. If you have no room for one, just get plants, but get your fingers DIRTY all of you with Chiron in Taurus, I urge you. . . you'll see. . .

Wow Blas and Jenn

Many a Chiron insight there!!!

Jenn, you always blow me away with your Astrological insights, and with the ambition you show in your life with tackling your issues and the world at the same time. You are such an inspiring young lady!

I feel like we have been walking a parallel line here lately with our Mother/Goddess issues. I'll been trying to balance my life in KY and what my full purpose is here, as well as be there for my Mom (and family) as she went through a scary 9 hour surgery. I liked your insights there, and the way you described it - " Trying, but I'm learning to balance and bridge the two halves of myself (the independent & the co-operative) "... Me too!

Chiron certainly is active and central in your chart there Jenn! Your description of it's placement in your kite got me thinking about how mine hits part of my YOD (but by 7 degrees) by opposing my UR/NN conjunction (8 minutes). The other planets/parts involved are my ASC and the finger is Jupiter. My Chiron is heavily aspected, and sits alone in my 9th house. It hits all the angles of my chart, opposes 3 planets (Sun, Pl, Ur), squares my Moon, trines my Neptune, and semisextiles my Venus. Interesting syncro's here with the Chiron/Ur theme, and even Taurus in that, the activating point of my YOD is at about 28 Cancer, which would fall in my second house which of course is ruled by... Taurus!

I agree with the planting thing there, we just planted a bunch of seeds yesterday when the Moon was in Cancer. I just love getting into planting and nurturing, and my husband especially loves this too... guess what? His NN is in Taurus.

I'm tickled that you were touched Jenn ... I also remember that Brenda's Chiron is there as well.

Your welcome Blas for typing that up... no problem. If anyone else wants me to type something up for them, just let me know.

Hi Kel,

I remember us discussing your very noticeable Earth-Mother energy. . . It does shine through. I'm trying to get some of that going on myself-- Capricorn just ain't the most "nurturing" of the signs though. . . if it weren't for my Cancer Moon I'd be such a total hard-^%$# when it comes to people!! Plants & animals I have an endless supply of patience with. I never realized how no-nonsense I was before. Hmmm. . . Yup, it hadn't even occurred to me how much we were mirroring, what with your mother. . .

Yeah, there is a major independant vs co-operative theme at play here. . . the balancing act is quite a number. . .
One day I hope the two will fuse beautifully, but for now, well. . . "talks are underway. . ." ha ha. . .

Talk you to Chironic types soon,

lovelights,
Jenn

Hey Jenn ... Guess what else we have in common? Father abandonment issues (only I was 15 when my Dad moved out). I blamed my Mom for that for a long time, since it was she who wanted the seperation. Oh, it's been a long road with my parents and I ... I hope you resolve yours quicker than I did.

Have a lovely night darlin...

Hey Kel, and everyone else..
I see your hubbys moon conjuncts my chiron..LOL. (our mothers were probably sisters at one time..heh heh)

Terri, your chiron conjuncts my Sun., close to exact too!..

I'll have to go back and thoroughly reread all this one day, as Ive been too busy with yet another soul group working on the prophecies.. but couldnt help notice the topic as I just did a post elsewhere about a Neptune/Chiron conjunction in and around,..get this..Nov 10/11 2010. That would be 11/11. At the same time, there's also a pluto/N.node conjunction.
Kel/Woody,(you two may want to check this out)..and can you post or send some info what B.Chow or anyone else may have about this. IF anything!. It probably ties in with the Mayan calendar/solar cycles. thanks

Here's a more detailed description of Chiron in Aries for Terri and Skydancer...

Chiron in Aries

"When Chiron is in Aries, the search for identity predominates. Who am I? Why am I here? What do they want from me? That level of questioning becomes Chirotic, or a life and death issue, and until there is a satisfactory answer, the native is restless. But an answer will come with time, because Chiron's natural form as a warrior initiate is very attuned to Mars. When these natives were born during the last two most recent Chiron cycles, 1918 - 1926 and 1968 - 1977, the atmosphere in general was very spirited and pioneering. The parents of this generation were living through the Roaring Twenties and the Me Generation of the Seventies. These children will feel an urge to carry through the energies of their parents, and Chiron natally in Aries will offer them the means.

My clients who have Chiron in Aries are all trailblazers; they are known as courageous people. This position causes quick action to breakthrough Saturn barriers and act idealistically with Uranus. But unless there are other factors in the chart which foster mysticism, these natives may not activate the subtlety of Chiron. The warrior energy is the most powerful manifestation for these natives. They need to be encouraged to systematically develop a discipline which will enable them to empower Chiron and get in touch with the potential power of the etheric plane. Good examples of such discipline are Carlos Castenada, Carl Jung, Jack Anderson, and Aleister Crowley. All four of these men have created great power in their disciplines and made great impact on their times. A deliberate development of initiate warrior power by these natives will cause Chiron to become a very great tool for bringing their greatest essence into being. Generally these natives are frustrated unless they are extremely active, and an analysis of the house position of Chiron in Aries will reveal the area of life where they can initiate progress. Limitation will drive them crazy.

Does that ring a bell ladies?

Hey Aries

Nice to see you lady! I'll check out if Barbra Clow mentiones anything about this in the book after I type out Chiron in Aqu for you.

Chiron in Aquarius

When Chiron is in Aquarius, there is crisis over being grounded, over existing on Earth in a balanced way. This is the opposite dynamic of Chiron in Capricorn, and an understanding of these two placements yields and understanding about Chiron as the bridge between Saturn and Uranus. Higher consciousness (Uranus) has no place to exist without a body (Saturn), and as we move into Aquarius we are being taught bridging by the ecological crisis. Chiron the Centaur embodies the issue with his horse/man body; we have to have animal/human, Earth/sky, body/soul, or we perish.

Those born with Chiron in Aquarius are electrical, not grounded; they are "air-heads." These natives are meant to manifest idealism, to bring great gifts to the culture in areas ruled by the house location, but they must carefully connect deep into the Earth and become realistic. They possess great potential if they can balance and connect. Those born from 1955 - 61 are also slated to move into power positions and experience their return around 2000 to 2010 A.D. ( ), and they will greet our extraterrestrial brothers when the communion time comes. Therefore, on top of their natural difficulty getting grounded, they also are resonating with a galactic vibrational attunement.

How'd you like that one...?

Thanks for the info on chiron in Taurus, Kel So, according to what Chow says, we taurus chiron in 7th people value relationships a lot. Those of us with Scorpio on the ASC perhaps even go to the extent of being obsessed about them? I mean come to think of it, we're not the only ones in the world with relationship problems, but we act like we've got the worst deal and will never find happiness. Perhaps it is only because we place more value on this area of life than most other people.

Jenn, Chiron is the loner in my 7th house too. I've never tried gardening, but I do like to talk to and caress my mom's house plants. Does that count? I'd also rather be surrounded by a crowd of trees as against a crowd of people.

HAHAHA - I always knew she was an airhead!!!

Love ya anyway!
Terri

PS - Kel - I guess some might not think Chiron in Aries sounds so hot - but except for Neptune it's the only fire I have, so I enoyed reading that description alot! I never did get to the New Age section of the bookstore today.

PPS - My husband has Aries Chiron conjunct Mars in the first, opposite Pluto...now THAT's warrior energy

Hey Ter... maybe that's why he was fighting with his co-workers about the war issue.

Aries - I haven't found anything like that yet, but will look again tomorrow with a fresh head. She does have a section entitled "From Chiron to Nibiru" though...

Tish ... sorry I forgot to respond to this earlier, but ... Yes, Chiron does rule Chiropractic. Good memory! I'll bet this is the book you have.

Hi Everyone
Great thread re Chiron - very interesting.
Here's a link for you.....

http://home.iprimus.com.au/gjdemontfort/Chiron.htm

Hi Woody
Yes I'm always very interested to talk about Chiron - re the article in the link I've just posted - Chiron is quite significant in my chart.....
I have Chiron in Saggi - it conjuncts my Moon.(Both in my 4th)
Also trines my Mercury (my chart ruler)
I have a Virgo stellium
Virgo Rising

How strong an influence is Chiron in your chart?
Sue

Thanks So much Kel.. for the interpretation of Chiron
Very interesting.. my Taurus chiron in 7th so that means i will look for Values in Relationships.. what is right or wrong, permanent or not, becomes a crisis. that is 100% ture..

I always think that about relationships.. and it takes the fun away from it.. and offcourse.. it frustrates the other person who is involved..

and As Eagle said..
perhaps even go to the extent of being obsessed about them? we act like we've got the worst deal and will never find happiness. Perhaps it is only because we place more value on this area of life than most other people.

Has an important point.. thats what i think like tooo