Hey Cat !!
how you doing?

You have got yourself a Strong Chiron.. especially with taht Saggy and Virgo stelleium.. With Virgo rising !!!I heard those are very significant for chiron in chart..



Love ya..

Ahhh poop... I lost my post

Well, here goes again...

Hi Cat and Silky

I'm glad that you have been enjoying the information on this thread... happy to contribute what BHC has to say about Chiron. It really is a great book.

Cat,
Thanks for the link, I was checking it out to see how strong of an influence it is in Woody's and my charts according to that author... and he has 2 of the indicators, where I have 3.

His are that Chiron aspects many planets and his Asc ruler, and he has a stellium in Virgo.

Mine are that it conjuncts an angle (my MC), it aspects many planets including my Sun and Moon, and I have a stelluim in Virgo.

You have something in common with some people who are or have been very significant in my life... Chiron cj the Moon. My Mom has that in the 4th house like you, and my son and his father have it in their first houses. syncro's, huh?

Hi Kel
Wow now that's interesting that we all have a Virgo Stellium.
Re Moon conjunct Chiron - I can relate to what Bob Marks says on his site re this aspect ....also what he says about Chiron in 4th house. In addition to that Chiron has recently finished transiting my 4th (Pluto is still transiting there) and boy my home has become a huge issue over the last few years. Chiron has now started to transit my 5th, so I don't know how that will be - mind you once it goes retro it will move back into my 4th for a while.

How do you find Chiron transits? It's not easy to find info on them.
Sue

Hey Kel and Cat

Well you know i have found another information about Chiron.. from Magi astrology.. which Donna Had given me ..

You know you are MOST likely to get married in you cinderella transit

But never marry on a Heart break aspec.. Saturn and Chiron Clash.. Just what happened With Nicole Kidman and Tom cruize.. also Kim basinger and Alec baldwin..

Hey Cat you have a PM


Love ya.. Silky

Hi Silkie
Hmm don't know what happened, I just posted you but it's not showing. Anyway was just letting you know that I had an hour and a half dental appointment today - got to have a root canal done - and my face is currently really aching as the anesthetic has worn off. Taking pain killers as he said it will take a couple of days for it to calm down as a nerve was exposed
So I haven't had chance to look at any charts yet. Going to check my pm's now
Sue

Thanks for typing it all out Kel! Interesing about the power positions thing too..
Well, I guess this is where taking the whole chart into consideration comes in, as Im definitely a grounded air-head..LOL. I guess its those saturn trines.

So there Terri,.. love ya anyway too!

Hi Gals

Cat,
Yes it is interesting that we all have Stelliums in Virgo. I'm sorry to say that I haven't been one to pay too much attention (in the past) to my Chiron transits, but will have to investigate key passages in my life at some point in time so see what Chiron was doing, especially since it is so significant in my chart. I had never really looked into it until Woody talked more about it here on LG a couple of years ago, mostly because as you have said... there wasn't all that much information out there on it.

Do you have a link posted here for Bob Mark's site? I don't think I have checked that out. As far as transit information, I haven't seen any, but the book I have been quoting from describes the different aspects in the chart.

Hi Kel
Here's a link to Bob Mark's site re Chiron. (Actually his whole site is very interesting).

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html

Re transits. Yes I hadn't paid much attention to Chiron re those - but these last fews years have turned my life upside down and inside out so I started looking at all transits. Aside from being under major Saturn & Pluto transits - Saturn in 10th squaring all my angles and opp my IC) and Pluto in 4th, I also noticed Chiron was transiting my 4th plus I had my Chiron return So I'm now a Chiron watcher as I realise it really is a significant influence in my chart.
If you find any more Chiron info I'd really appreciate you letting me know.
Sue

Hi again Sue

Thanks for your quick reply . Do you have the book I've been quoting from? If not, you should really check it out, it's very deep, and I'm sure you will glean many an insight... esp since you are going through your Chiron return. I hear ya on the difficult aspects involving Pluto (now I'll have to research and see what Chiron was doing), since he was kicking things up in my chart (4th house - that's where my stellium is) several years ago when I was going through a seperation in my first marriage... That was one of the toughest times in my life. It was not long after that that I found this site (LG) and felt at home...

I'll be happy to post more information on your placements and aspects from this book if you'd like.

Chiron in Sagittarius

"When Chiron is in Sagittarius, there is a crisis about integration of the higher self into one's consciousness. These natives are on a quest to become ensouled, to bring the highest essence into their own form so they can connect with the central organizing principle of all their incarnations. The connection is blocked until the higher self is embodied. Jupiter is the home of the masters, the beings who love us and care about our progress on Earth. People born with Chiron in Sagittaruis are instinctualy in tune with these teachers. Until they began to bring the higher self in and become ensouled, they will go on many quests and explore many religions. Once they comprehend that they are the bridgers in their own bodies between essence/Uranus and Saturn/Earth, then they become electrical conduits.

It is no accident that those born with Chiron in Sagittarius late 1948 to 1951 will experience their Uranus oppositions during 1987 - 89 as Chiron opposes Uranus by transit, and Saturn conjuncts Uranus by transit. That is, many with Chiron in Sagittarius will have transiting Uranus opposite Uranus conjunct transiting Chiron. This group will ensoul at that point; they are going to be the teachers of the Chirotic force; they will be the prophets of the Age of Aquarius. And Sagittaruis is such a focusing arrow in concsiousness that many of them are already in power positions so they can play their role in the upcoming difficult transition.

Many astrologers believe that Chiron rules Sagittarius (she feels it's Virgo). As already mentioned, this confusion arose partly because Chiron rules the method of the quest; but Sagittaruis is the quest. The ninth house (that's where my Chiron is) is where we connect with the higher self. The masters who live on Jupiter are calling us, and the Sagittarian focus is the way to ensoul. But, just as Chiron rules the Tarot reader, Chiron rules the initiation process. Sagittarius is the focus and direction, and Virgo is the battle between Saturn/form and Uranian/energetics that creates the pragmatic soulution to make it to Jupiterian expansion. Thus, the Centaur's body is placed in the ninth house to symbolize all individuals who go on the quest to unite body and soul, human and animal self. The proof of the question is shown by the fact that mythological Chiron stayed in his house of healing, Mt. Pelion, and he sent out the questers he had initiated to go on the journey. Because Chiron has been sighted, astrologers now will find it possible to be Chiron in a reading, and determine the sacred skill of clients and initiate them into their quest. This teaching will empower clients to activate the ninth house, the Sagittarian focus, into awareness.

My files of those with Chiron in Sagittarius contain more individuals with high consciousness at an early age than is statistically probable. Literally each one of ninteen clients is very mystical and searching. One is a brilliant physicist, whose first book has changed the lives of many readers. Others include a priest, who is creating transformative rituals, and a jeweler working with the resonation factors in gems. A client with Chiron in Sagittaruis on the ascendant is the key person in the middle of a New Age teaching movement; another is working on the question of sacred energy in blood and DNA, and yet another is a publisher working on books to heal the Earth. Often when I feel discouraged by the density and sturggle of the late eighties, I think of this group as a beacon of hope for the future."

(these are the first three paragraphs of 6 - the last three talk about counseling and difficulties when their are blocks. I can type those up tomorrow, if you'd like the rest)

Chiron in the Fourth House

"Chiron's presence in the fourth house signifies that the deepest healing of the self will come from a connection with roots. The experience of the first three houses - knowing who I am, finding a way to strongly connect myself, and discovering how to integrate myself - this is taken into the fourth house containing Chiron, and the individuals must heal his or her deepest roots to discover who they are. The root connection in the Tree of Life of the natal chart relates to the healing of the planet, for we are not seperate. Chiron itself rules ecology, the healing of the body/soul, and it is the depth of the rootedness of the fourth house that the true nature of the Chiron healing seed can be sown. This signifies one of the most important teaching of our times, as it would seem that we are on the verge of terracide. Each person who heals him/herself heals the planet simultaneously."

(there are 5 more paragraphs here)

Chiron conjunct the Moon

"This is a difficult position because the natives have such intense emotions that it is difficult for them to understand the effect they have on others. They are extremely sensitive, they are very mystical about emotional bonding, and the day-to-day levels of relationships are almost impossible to bear. The ideal for this native is to master Saturn and to form a solid bond with a mate, because the the power of Uranian transformation can enter his or her life through the relationship. This native will be almost terrified of restrictions because of the Uranian desire for freedom. But if he or she can find the right partner who will help work with Saturn without due restrictions, then the possiblilty of kundalini energy will manifest in sexual sharing. This native may be too involved with his or her mother, which can block the opportunity for a relationship. Also, this native will tend to attract intense and transformative partners. The key to actualizing the spiritual beauty of Chiron conjunct the Moon is Saturn grounding and balance, with room for Uranian transformation."

*That's all for tonight folks, we're all going to a friends house to hang out by a fire...

Have a good night!

Ahhhhhhhh, I was just finishing up a message on this thread, and while I was searching some floppy disks for some info I needed, POOF, red screen of death (blue screen of death, but I modified the colours in my system settings)... anyways, I don't feel like typing it all up again... basically, I would have to agree about what is being said regarding the power of Chiron, as my only real astral/oobe experience that I ever had happened during some interesting transiting involving Chiron and other planets, it was on January 2, 2002, transiting Chiron was quintile my natal Pluto EXACT, as was pointed out by an astrologer online. Also, the NN was semi-square my Chiron with a ~9min orb. The info I was looking for before I got the red screen of death was the interpretation that she sent me for the Chiron/Pluto aspect, it was pretty intense, I think it was from that Solar Fire program. I also had other transits at the time, such as Uranus sextile Neptune with an orb of ~4min, etc... so yeah, this astrologer basically chalked up my experience to Chiron's influence.

Also, I just woke up from a nap today while transiting Saturn was opposing my natal Neptune exact (round 3... darn retrogrades), rather than describe it again I will just paste the drowsly written version from my newly created dream journal.

March 15, 2003 8:28:43 PM

Had a dream I was in a school looking for a key, and I saw a girl named Jenn that I knew from grade school finding this key........ I was on a bus on a "mission" and was going to join a gang or something, I felt like I was supposed to get off by my friends house, I heard voices in my head about vampires and other stuff. I was then in a car or something driving around and appeared back in this school. I was walking around the school looking for this key, I somewhat knew where it was. There were dark hallways with very bad vibes, but I could eventually hear the voices of some people I knew like Sam, so I wasn't too worried. I eventually came to an open area where there were multiple lectures going on. One of them had a teacher introducing a guy named Gord that I knew from grade school, so I kept walking past all these lectures toward the area of the school where the key was supposed to be. As I was walking past one of the lectures, the person giving it was the same Jenn girl. As I walked past her, she quickly broke from her speech, grabbed me by the arm, and said "NO finding the magic key!" and I then had to sit down at one of the many tables with my friend Kev and listen to her, and I said "damn you Jenn, not this year... not this year..."

So yeah, I don't know if this was related to the "key" that Chiron is, but I found it pretty interested, and it has inspired me to start keeping a dream journal again, something that I should have never stopped doing in the first place, as I haven't been able to remember my dreams very much lately. Another reason why is because I think I may have had a past life memory in my dreams last night, and I couldn't remember much, all I remember is that I was Antonio Banderas (sp?) from the 13th Warrior, and I was with some theif or something, oh well... keep this thread going...

Hi Kel Man, you guys have been busy!

hahahaha! That line about limitation will drive them crazy is great!! I think it suits me well. Thanks for typing that up for me and Terri.

Did you do Chiron in the 12th yet? If not I'm putting in my request. But, take your time.

Hope your weekend's going well.

hey Miss Chiron,
would you be so kind to type out for me Venus-Chiron opposition? that is an interesting info you have here.
Bissie

Hi Kel
Oh thank you so much for typing all that info out for me

I'm just having my Sunday morning cuppa and a nice slow start to the day. I'll re-read through everything you've typed but from the first read I can relate to it.

Hmmm one thing that jumped out at me was......

"The ideal for this native is to master Saturn and to form a solid bond with a mate, because the the power of Uranian transformation can enter his or her life through the relationship. This native will be almost terrified of restrictions because of the Uranian desire for freedom".

In my natal chart Saturn is considered to be unaspected (it only makes a very wide opp - just under 10 degrees - to Jupiter) AND in addition to that Uranus is the singleton in my chart. Ooooo, I'm thinking I've got a mixed bags of tricks Have you any thoughts as to how that would/should work with my Chiron?

Need a second cuppa so I'll be back later.
Thanks again
Sue

Hi Sky Hi Bissie

Hi Sue

You are most welcome! I'm glad you were enjoying your morning read with a nice cuppa... I'm having one myself right now.

As far as Saturn goes... I'm not all that good of an Astrologer to really be able to answer that, but if your Saturn is unaspected except for a loose opposition to Jupiter (which is another interesting syncro between us as my Saturn is unaspected except for it's conjunction to Jupiter... well, except for a minor aspect to Pluto)... it seems to me that it should not be all that difficult. I think of Uranus/Saturn in terms of right brain/left brain, yin/yang, or female/male. So, if you come to terms with and master your masculine/Saturian nature and embrace you Uranian/female, you are on your way!

Speaking of the passage you quoted from... how is the relationship front. Anything special going on there?

Hi Biss

Miss Chiron... is that me you are refuring to? I'm assuming yes, since I am typing up a lot of the information here on Chiron placements. We are getting ready to head out of here shortly, so I will type up that aspect when I get back later today.

Sky,
I will type up Chiron in the 12th as well, when I get back.

Talk to you all later... out to enjoy some of this beautiful sunlight today!

Hi all. Cool thread you guys have here ...

Well Terri,
Heehee, add me to the air-head list with Aries. My Chiron is in Aquarius. Tish, I just noticed you have Chiron in Aquarius also . Hey, at least we are "electrical" . I like the part about greeting our extraterrestrial brothers and resonating with a galactic vibrational attunement .

Mine is on the First House, so I guess it works like Aries too which I share with Terri and Skydancer. Nice interpretations.

Kel thanks for taking the time to write all of the above . Very interesting information and I am still learning a lot here.

Great links Sue , thank you!!

Here are a couple more links that I had regarding Chiron that some of you may find helpful:

Astrology Source Library - Tutorials - Chiron - Signs

Excerpts from TRANSITS



Sabra

Hi Cat and Bissie

I haven't heard from you ladies in forever. I hope you're both well.

Hi Kel
Thanks for your thoughts re Saturn & Uranus. That makes a lot of sense. Not sure how to do that but thinking about it. Possibly I need to set my boundaries better - something (as a very mutable chart) I find hard to do. Yes that is interesting the similarities we have in our charts

I just remembered any site link re Chiron that I have saved in my favourites......

http://www.martinlass.com/report.htm

Lots of info there.

Re relationships. Not had one for a long time. I'm still in a legal battle (court date 29th April) with my ex - I ended that 12 year relationship in 1999. It's been a very long drawn out saga. One that I will be so happy to see the end of.
Sue

Hi Sabre
Thanks for the links. I actually had them both but had lost the first one, so thanks for posting them

Hi Sky
Hope things are good with you

Thanks for the links, Sabra and Sue

Hi Everyone... I'm back to type some more. Glad you are all enjoying and learning on this thread. Me too ... you're welcome for typing this stuff up. I'm all for providing information that helps to expand minds.

The next post will be Chiron in the Twelfth House...

I really recommend the link Sue just posted. Sonudi, you just have to read what he says about the wound. It's under the "The Essence of the Argument" section.

Chiron in the Twelfth House

"The presence of Chiron in the twelfth house signifies the potential to actuate cosmic immersion, to enter deeply into mysticism. This Chirotic thought potential becomes real when the native learns to use the pragmatic gifts of the sixth house to develop the acute awareness of the exact place and time of this dimension in relation to others. How?

The development of a divination skill is required in order to release consciousness from Left-brain linear time thought processes so that holographic brain functions materialize.

The twelfth house is ruled by Neptune, and the only way to resonate with the Neptunian galactic vibration is to find a way to attune consiousness here on Earth with mysticism. Being a mystic is a chioce; it involves free will, and it is a possibility in life after the native has mastered the will axis of the fifth/eleventh houses. There were once mystical orders such as the Eleusinian mysteries which taught the initiate the way of mysticism. Chiron was the great initiator of the pre-Mycenean Aegean culture, and he taught pragmatism. He was reputed to be a great astrologer (possibly the first astrologer), and he taught that the natal chart was the road map of mysticism, Knowing this psychic labyrinth is a need for individuals with Chiron in the twelfth house."

(this house probably has the longest description... almost 3 pages, but very good and interesting stuff )

Chiron oppose Venus

This creates a receptivity to the alchemical nature of Venus which is almost overpowering. The native is completely receptive and open to others, and unless great control in indicated in the chart by other planetary positions and aspects, he or she is very nervous. This native is alluring, often seems to be from another planet, and often has unusual intuitive understqanding of the esoteric because of the ancient occult connection with Venus.

The orbit of Chiron is very elliptical, and many researchers, including Velikovsky, have brought forth much evidence of a severe disbanancing of the orbit of Venus around 1500 B.C., when I believe Chiron died. Many of the most hidden teachings are connected to such theories which relate Venus to catastrophic cycles already discussed in Chapter Two. Venus rules eros, the feminine receptive power to Uranian kundalini energy. The teachings involve opening ourselves to this energy and the experience is chaotic to some degree.

Since receptivity in consciousness is strongly related to the level of fear in the psyche of any individual, many researchers, including myself, believe there is great collective amnesia about a catastrophe involving Venus around 1500 B.C. This can manifest as a dissociative anxiety complex which attaches itself to any potential fear in the environment. Esoteric mastery training investigates the secrets of Venus eventually, and much of this training has to do with breaking through fear. Now with research on Chiron and the coming work on Nibiru, the awareness of the relation of the 1500 B.C. catastrophe to Venus, Chiron, and Nibiru will grow. And natives with Chrion opposite Venus will have a primary ability to understand this deep level of the occult. Aleister Crowley, master occult wizard, with Chiron opposite Venus, is a great example of this dynamic.