Here are some other words and phrases for Chiron: Teacher, Guru, Mentor, Fosterparent, Turning Point, Now, Catalyst, Bridge, Link, Steppingstone, Passageway, Common Ground, Union of Opposites, Holistic, Personal Imperative, Pulling the Plug, Balance, Mediator, The Passage from Dependence to Independence, Turning the Corner, Therapy, a Koan [in Zen Buddhism], A Wound that will not Heal, a way to break free of a matrix, Synergism, Essence.

Where do you have your Chiron in?
I have it in my 7th house..
Sign Taurus..

So what do you think about Chiron in Relationship? what does mean if you have someone's Sun venus mars opposing your Chiron? and Your Moon Pluto asc opposing his?

I know that Chiron in 7th means.. I would have some MAJOR stuff going through in my relationships... they would be VERY painful (which is true)

Silkie
"The wound that never heals" .....sorry but that's rubbish and please don't believe it

Here's an excerpt for you.......

The house and sign position of Chiron show several things:

1. It is an indicator of where we have problems that tend to keep recurring, in one form or another, throughout our lives. Amateur astrologers frequently upset people by telling them something like, "Oh, this is where you're wounded and it will never go away!" It is important to remember that every indicator in the horoscope, including this one, has a positive (as well of a negative) side, and the first thing to remember when giving a reading is: Don't make things worse by scaring people to death! As with any other horoscope factor, Chiron has a positive as well as a negative side. For one thing, it shows where we may teach and help others. And, yes, Chiron problems can be dealt with and solved.

2. It shows where we can do things better for others than we can for ourselves.

3. Chiron shows where we can have an affinity for teaching, but, ironically, that is where we can teach others how to do things better than we can do them ourselves. This can be maddening if that happens to be an area in which we want to excel.

Here's the link to the site.....

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html

Chiron in the 7th house:
This one might spend all of their time taking care of a partner who has some debility. It is also someone who gives great advise on marriage, while their own marriage is on the rocks (or they might not even be married). This can work for business partnerships as well. You can take great care of a partner and teach them how to do the business better than you ever could. Watch out that they don't dump you as soon as they learn all that they can from you.

Chiron in Taurus:
Taurus is the sign of money and resources and it shows our ability to possess things. It also shows what we instinctively value, including ourselves. This is the sign that gives us our gut level sense of self-worth. Chiron here can give us a miser's urge to hold on to every penny while denying ourselves any of life's pleasures, or a rejection of "those low, materialistic values" and, consequently, a life of poverty. And guess what? Deep down inside, both are the same. They both deny themselves pleasure and enjoyment because they don't value themselves. Of course, as always with Chiron, there is the ability to give good advise to everyone else concerning their material needs and sense of self worth. People with Chiron in Taurus have to learn how to enjoy the basic physical pleasures of life. They won't be able to do this, however, until they deal with their damaged sense of self-worth.

Silkie, check out the link. Plus notice where it says "damaged sense of self-worth" in the Chiron in Taurus section.........I notice you've said a few times in your posts that you wish you where like your brother! I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your brother, I've never met or spoken to him, BUT what I am saying is you shouldn't wish to be more like anyone else. Just be you - that's what everyone likes you for Can you see how that relates to Chiron/Taurus?
Sue

Thank you Babyyy!!!
Yea I am VERY worried about Chiron,

thanks for that VERy informative post... I will Definitly go there..

So hows life? its been SOO long we haven't emailed eachother..!! How you been doing?

and I have sent you a Pm did you get it?
Take care sweety..
Love
Silky:)

Hi Sugar
Don't worry about Chiron - just work on feeling good about yourself and that will be great news and healing for Chiron in Taurus placement.

Hmmm, just checked my pm box but no message there maybe they take a while to get there? I'll check again later. Yes it's been too long since we chatted via email.
Sue

Just to let you know, I just checked my pm box again and your mail was there. I've sent you a reply.
Sue

CAT!!!

Hey lady!

Where've you been? Things are good, I hope?...

Just to chime in, I think that Chiron isn't entirely a bad thing. In fact, I think that it's very useful in relationships. If you have good Chiron aspects with someone, then they may understand your insecurities and help reassure you about them. If we all felt 100% confident and happy with ourselves, life would be boring. It's the mix that makes us want to be around other people. My best friend and I have pretty close Chiron placements so I think we understand each other. My Chiron is conj. his DC and falls in his 7th house. So, right there is a tight bond. Obviously he understands my pain and makes me feel better about myself.

My Chiron is at 26 Aries in my 12th house. So, I like to hide it. But, Cat is right. There's a beauty in teaching others how to get past their wounds.

Hi Silkie,

Cat is right, that is all rubbish about Chiron. Chiron is a very loving entity. I know that earlier astrologers took the myth of Chiron as being wounded to use that as it's most important quality. Not so!! Chiron is about love!! Truly, if you read his story, his wound was minor in comparison to his love for all humanity, his teaching and helping, giving, all in love.

I joined The Magi Society 4 years ago, and have been studying it. Their main premise is planetary geometry and they feel Chiron is most important, but not as the way most perceive it.

"The Magi Society has discovered that CHIRON IS THE KEY TO SOULMATES, MARRIAGE AND HAVING CHILDREN TOGETHER. Chiron is an asteroid/comet that orbits the Sun between Saturn and Uranus; it was discovered in 1977. Chiron is the key to all human relationships and is fully utilized in Magi Astrology.
Chiron has monumental importance for astrology because it is the "planet" that rules marriage, spouses, soulmates, and children born in marriage as well as karmic ties."

The above was a quote from their site---

http://www.magiastrology.com/

There are many well known astrologers who have joined the Magi and they incorporate their teaching with traditional astrology. It really works.

And, if one does want to take the wounded aspect into consideration, I take it one step further and say, Love Heals.

Well, that is my understanding of Chiron and I hope this has helped a little. Please take heart and know that Chiron will bless your love, not hurt it.

Donna

O.K. here comes Ms. Microscope. Sonudi, please go read your first post again. Notice that long string of keywords you posted. And I mean really notice them. What do you see?

Teacher, Guru, Mentor, Fosterparent, Turning Point, Now, Catalyst, Bridge, Link, Steppingstone, Passageway, Common Ground, Union of Opposites, Holistic, Personal Imperative, Pulling the Plug, Balance, Mediator, The Passage from Dependence to Independence, Turning the Corner, Therapy, a Koan [in Zen Buddhism], A Wound that will not Heal, a way to break free of a matrix, Synergism, Essence.

Did you notice the others now? What do you think they all suggest? Turning point, passage, way to break free, therapy, stepping stone, bridge, link, Catalyst (that one's my favourite)? Do you think they suggest that the wound will never heal? Or do they indicate the exact opposite?

I'm surprised that "the wound that never heals" should actually be part of a list of things that contradict it completely. It looks to me more like a compilation of keywords that have been attributed to Chiron by various people and not necessarily a statement that the person who made up that list agrees with any or all of them.

So what will you see? The glass is 3/4th full? Or the glass is 1/4 empty? (The latter is probably the illusion of looking through water anyway. )

Hello Silk_route,

Chiron is not a wound that will not heal. Chiron will show us how to heal those wounds. Chiron rules DNA and when you heal your wounds the karma in our DNA is tansmuted.

Chiron is the bridge between the right and left brain. Saturn being the left brain and Uranus the right. Chiron is bringing back the ancient healing arts used by Shamans.

Chiron can show us were our wounds are and it can show us that we are healers. Chiron opposite Uranus allows one to channel energy.
Chiron in the 7th house signifies a dynamic of knowing self through significant relationships on the personal level. Relationships good or bad will help you understand yourself.

Hope this helps with your question. I do have an affinity for Chiron as I see others do to.

Woody

Well, I must say that I hope you are all correct about Chiron NOT being a wound that will never heal, because if that were the case, I would never amount to anything in life. Chiron has always fascinated me ever since I first saw where it was in my natal chart, I think I'm supposed to be some sort of healer or something, I don't know, I'm still trying to figure that out. Let me explain, my Chiron is unaspected except for the following:

Chiron (Tau) Con (Tau) Midheaven - orb: a0:27'
Chiron (Tau) Con (Tau) Ceres - orb: s1:07'

That's it, nothing else... I did learn recently however, that anything conjunct the MC also has an effect on your 4th house, as it is opposing the 4th house cusp (Nadir)... and well let's just say I had some "wounds" to heal when I was much younger, I was silent for many years, but that is also due to other factors in my horoscope.

Thanks Guys..
It was REally Very helpful.. I really appreciate it..

actually the Chiron interpretation for me is SOO true.. that I am Always OVERTLY worried when a relationship is just BEGINNING.. that it just KILLS the sweetest moments..

So I was worried about my Chiron in 7th.. but its in Taurus.. so glad that it has given me patience.. in Love..

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Chiron in the 7th house signifies a dynamic of knowing self through significant relationships on the personal level. Relationships good or bad will help you understand yourself.

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Hmm..interesting, what you said, Woody! So would Chiron in the 7th in Taurus also indicate a tendency to base one's self-worth(Taurus) on what the other(7th house) thinks of you? So, the idea would be to learn what others can teach you about yourself but be careful as to avoid allowing other's opinions to influence how you feel about yourself?

I can see that tendency in myself and from what Sonia said about her brother's influence on her, I guess it's true for her too. Right, Sonudi?

Hello Everyone,
Eagle,
You are very good at explaining Chiron in 7th Taurus. Let relationships teach you but don't allow it to control you through opinions of your self worth.
I have Chiron conjunct Saturn both retrograde in the 4th house of Pisces. My Chiron aspects Jupiter, Mercury,Venus Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, Mars, North Node, South Node, and Part of Fortune. Chiron is busy in my chart.

Woody

Wow! That is one really active Chiron

Mine is somewhat like Blas'. Just an opp. to my sun(6 deg.) and a very loose one to uranus(9 deg.). And there are some minor aspects to my moon, saturn and MC. That's all. I'm not sure how an unaspected Chiron would function though.

But come to think of it, I have a retro Chiron too. What do you think that indicates? And is Chiron retro very often?

Hhey Tat is SOOOOOOOOO riggghht.. !!!! you Got it Sucheeey

hey Woody:) thats a Super Busy Chiron!!!

WOW..
Hmm well i hhave mine triningmy Sun and mercury..

Take care..

Hello All,

Eagle- This info comes from Barbra Hand Clow,
She says that retro planets are magnetic and draw energy into the chart. Chiro retrograde draws in healing, initiatory, and alchemical powers. The time dynamic refers to the fact that retorgrade planets tend to function in the past, present and future simultaneously. She also says that having chiron retro means you can/are worried about the future and the meaning of the destructive forces; they feel the essence of the present or savior; they search for the esoteric meaning of the past or creation. This is the tune they dance to...

Chiron does go retro fequently- perhaps once a year? However, Saturn conjunct Chiron occures every 147 years and both in my chart are retro.

Silk_route,
With Chiron trining Mercury: this aspect brings in powerful occult and healing skills. Barbara Hand Clow says these people are naturally in tune with the ancient times, and they remember the old healing skills whether they actualize them or not; these natives are wise old souls. With discipline you could make a great healer

Woody

Hello Cat,
I didn't want to forget about your great input about Chiron in the 7th house of Taurus too. I do enjoy talking about Chiron to others and listening to their thoughts and input.


Woody

Hmm...more things to ponder. Interesting dance tune. Thanks for the info, Woody.

Sounds like you have a really rare aspect.

Hi Guys

Wow, in a way I feel like I'm over on the Uranus thread, with having similar aspects with some of the people on the thread... in this case, a combo of Eagle, Blas & Woody...

I have Chiron cj my MC (by minutes), oppose my IC, Sun (4 degrees), Pl (2), and Ur/NN (7), there are other planets it aspects as well, and it is retrograde...

Hey

I never really paid a ton of attention to Chiron in my chart - though it's been on my list of things to look at for about two years now...

So I just checked it out - 6th house, 22 degrees Aries. Opposite Uranus, and widely conjucnt (8-degress) my Descendant, opposite my Ascendent. Also square to Saturn. And a quick look shows some interesting aspects to my husbands and son's charts. Chiron is EXACTLY conjucnt my son's Ascendent, so I'm going to definately have to give that one some thought....

Anyway, cool thread - just thought I'd jump in.

Love,
Terri

Mine's at 1 degree Pisces in the 7th house, opposing that 3-degree Virgo Pluto I mentioned on the Uranus into Pisces thread. So transitting Uranus is now conjunct my Chiron in addition to zeroing in on the exact opposition with Pluto. Another of those signs of the potential energy available for the phoenix to rise is how I see that one. Plus, the project that just kicked into higher gear is one with a partner (7th house).

There are a few of us here with Chiron in the 7th, I see. FWIW, Silkie & Suchi, my husband and I are still very happy we found each other.

Maria

Bizarro...

I ALSO have Chiron in the 7th, though mine is in Gemini. What's the deal with all us Chiron 7th housers? Anyway, here's my take on it. As of recently I've been looking a bit more into it when I can, because I had never really looked at it much before and then a few months ago I did, and realized that mine is much like Woodchiro's in that it has a huge number of aspects... It aspects my Sun, Venus, MC/IC, Asc/Des, Moon, Mars, Uranus, Jupiter, and Mercury. It touches ALMOST everything in my chart. It even squares my Sun exactly, and at the same time opposes my Jupiter exactly. All the other aspects are generally only a few degrees off, if even that.

In all honesty, I have considered Chrion to be the key to figuring out my chart, particularily since it aspects the most things. I was reading something one time, and I don't quite remember what it was now, but they pointed to the symbol of Chiron. Note that it does in fact, look similar to a KEY. It's got a loop on the bottom with lines at the top. Interesting indeed... Perhaps it's a key to something unknown within us all. Perhaps it's the key to unlocking our greater power. The power within us all to experience pain and then to heal and become stronger. Maybe it's even a key to unlocking the hearts of other people. That's just my thought spiraling on the matter though... However, do remember that it isn't all just about pain. If you think that, you are truly underestimating the power of both Chiron and of yourself.

*hugs* for all!!!
Carrie

Hello All,
Here is a little more info about Chiron.
When Chiron is in Aries: The warrior energy is most powerful manifestation for these natives. They need to be encouraged to systematically develop a discipline which will enable them to empower Chiron and get in touch with the potential power of the etheric plane.

Chiron opposite a planet brings in the full potential of both planets, but can bring in stress due to the energy involved.

I have more info but I gotta go for now.

Woody

lol. Maria, I never for a moment believed that Chiron in 7th will mean I'll end up as a single, old maid (no matter how much I say that because of other reasons ). I just think that perhaps this area of our lives is more challenging for us or perhaps has the most lessons for us. Thanks for the reassurance, anyway. It's always good to know that somebody is happy they found each other.

Yes, I read about the symbol looking like a key too. If there's a key, there must be a lock. If there's a lock, there must be a door. And if there's a door, there must be something behind it. So the key (Chiron) is your link to what lies beyond. Your passageway to the other side. And what lies on the other side need not be scary monsters. For all you know, there could be piles of candy in there or Santa Claus waiting to ask you what you want for Christmas. But, only if you've been a good child and swallowed your spinach (7th house lessons for us, perhaps)

Thanks for all the tidbits on Chiron, Woody. Waiting to see what more you'll throw into the mix

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If there's a key, there must be a lock. If there's a lock, there must be a door.

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Cool spiral you just sent me on EOTS! Chiron is located between Saturn and Uranus, isn't it? So Chiron is the key, Saturn is the lock and Uranus is the door? Maybe that's just too obvious...what do you guys think?

Love,
Terri

Terri. I never thought of the actual position of Chiron. Saturn representing the lock would make sense. Saturn = restrictions. In Hindu myth, Saturn is depicted as a lame god. Kind of like chiron's wound and definitely the way we might feel in the area of life represented by the house that chiron falls in. Held back, handicapped, wounded. (Strangely, handicapped is a word I used for myself when it came to relationships. lol) Still thinking about the Uranus side of it. Expect the unexpected? Sudden genuis? How does this fit in? Any thoughts? There's one word that I do tend to associate with Uranus and that's Freedom. And I think I used it somewhere on this thread when referring to what happens after you undergo the necessary healing Chiron points you towards.

Hm....this thought spiral is starting to look like a hot trail.

Hi Gals,

Chiron is the Rainbow Bridge between the Inner and Outer Planets according to Barbra Hand Clow (the author of the book Chiron) which Woody has been providing you information from... I'd say that that pretty much fits in with your thought there Terri.

If any of you haven't read this book yet, you will really love it! Just ask Jenn (Tripal Cardnal), she has the book and Chrion in the 7th if I remember correctly.

What else would you all like to know about Chiron that I can share with you from this wonderful book...? How about I start with Chiron in Pisces, since a few of us born in the 60's have it, then maybe something about Chiron in Gemini?

Be right back...

Chiron in Pisces (from Barbra Hand Clow's book Chiron )

"When Chiron is in Pisces, there is a crisis over connecting with the God force, the Universal oneness. This native is hearing the siren call from across the sea, seeing the Will-O-the Wisp in the swamp, is hearing the flute of Pan or Kokopelli - he/she hears different music than most of us. This is a fascinating position because we now possess the experiential tool, the analysis of Chiron in the chart, to gain a truly palpable grasp of Neptune. For humans, nothing can really be completely understood unless we have a material, emotional, mental, and spiritual grasp of it. The Chrion focus of space and time is the key to the materiality of Neptune. Remember, visualize Chiron as a focal point of a vortex with Neptunian resonance as the wide rim. Individuals with Chiron in Pisces are the manifestors of this subtle force, the Chirotic force, but they are way out on the wide rim of the spiral.

This teaching about Chiron in Pisces is the most obtuse in this book. That is because it is about the astral plane. We are only now beginning to understand how astral energy affects us on this planet because we could not get a grip on its energy until the sighting of Chiron. But, working with astral energy is part of the process of clearing that we need in order to manifest high Neptunian energies - being in touch with the divine."

There is more, but there are pages, and she goes into much detail using different clients charts and examples of how Chiron squares influenced them... and so on. This book is very similar to Jeff Green's books on Pluto, if any of you have read them.

Now on to Gemini...

Chiron in Gemini

When Chiron is in Gemini there is a personal crisis about integration here on Earth which affects balance and the nervous system greatly. These natives are highly attuned to the consciouness of individuals around themselves, and to mass awareness. They were mostly born between 1933 and 1938 (she doesn't gear anything towards you younger one's born with this aspect) during Nazism and atomic experimentation as Pluto manifested again on Earth. Their crisis is to find new ways of perception and integration here. This group will become very important to the human race as they wake up and realize they posess the natal tool - Chiron in Gemini - to understand and communicate about the crises their parents suffered with. Thus astrologers must work hard with these clients to guide them into their natural role as teachers and communicators.

As Richard Nolle put it, "Awareness is the keynote for persons born under this Chiron sign, whose prime existential mission is to understand the way we think in order to effect changes in our mental realities." Thus, these individuals are meant to learn that the way we think creates the reality we live in, and that we can change it if we believe that. These natives will believe it when they experience it, and their very awareness will alter the hologram if they can become conscious that how they think alters reality at their Chiron return."

Wow this thread is turning out to be fairly interesting! Veneo, does that Chiron book have anything for aspects to Chiron? I know you probably don't want to type out interpretations for everybodies Chiron aspects. But if there is any info for Chiron conjunct MC, I would be greatly appreciative, as it is my only Chiron aspect. If not that's okay, how about Chiron in the 10th house? My Chiron is also in Taurus btw, as I'm sure it is for a few others on here as well. Thanks!

Howdy All,
I wanted to add a little about Chiron in Pisces. I'll have Veneo talk about Chiron conjunct MC because she has this aspect.

A bit of info from the book Chiron:
"The most fascinating synchronicity in this whole astrological evolution exists in the fact that the group born between 1961-68 with Chiron in Pisces almost all have Pluto in Virgo opposite Chiron in Pisces. This means this group of future healers will walk the rainbow path in their lifetimes because their sense of Pluto is as an evolutionary force to be used for total clarity."

Chiron is the key to activating and clearing our DNA. Chiron is the bridge between the right and left brain allowing a person to use both sides of the brain. Chiron can balance/intergrate the energy between the inner planets and outer planets. Plus Chron wants to heal the planet too.


Woody

Wowwww!!! What an interesting Thread it has Become.. Thanks Guys.. and Veneo thanks for Interpreting the Chiron's for US!!!!

Hey Write On.. I am Glad that you 2 met..!!! I wish I could Meet someone too..like that.. you know WHEVER i Start to think that i have.. It gets Cursed.. So I am Scared to think that I have..

Thanks Woodchiro for your wonderful interpretation..

Hope to see more..!! its getting really interesting..!!

Love
Sily

Hi Guys

Blas, I'll be happy to share with you about Chiron in Taurus, and Chiron in the 10th. Are you sure it's in the 10th? The only reason I ask, is because mine is in the 9th. She doesn't interpret it to the Angles, but my feeling is that being a healer or doing healing work in one capacity or another is going to bring fullfillment as a Career.

Silky,
I can remember feeling and thinking as you did about relationships, and just wanted to tell you how important thoughts are. Our thoughts create our reality, so if you put those thoughts out there, that is what you get back. The best thing you can do is work on making yourself whole and happy, and the rest will come! Just trust in that... I guarantee you it works.

Now on to Chiron in Taurus (in the next post)...

Chiron in Taurus

"When Chiron is in Taurus, a search for values on the material plane predominates. This position takes the question of material values to a very critical level: what is right or wrong, permanent or not, becomes a crisis. These natives rarely bring something new into reality, but they are manifestors of material from other people whom they believe in. They want to preserve the values thay see in something which already exists. The house position of Chiron reveals the nature of the values they are interested in. The historical period they were born (here again she's talking about the older generation with this aspect) within was characterized by a search for value, and these natives are equipped natally to respond to the needs that were the concern of their parents who came out of the Great Depression. These individuals are adept at coping well with financial resources.

My clients with Chiron in Taurus are all heavily influenced by a morality system which they value greatly. It is important to analyze these clients to see if they are stuck in the value system to the exclusion of creativity. Free will and the ability to act for justice is blocked without creativity. This system is valuable if it is being actively utilized, otherwise it functions as an opportunity to block Chirotic energy. The house position of Chiron in Taurus is the key. First examine the house position to see is the value system of that house is active in the life of the client by questioning the client about it. For example, someone with Chiron in Taurus in the tenth house would show evidences of marked valuing of power and activity in the outside world."

Chiron in the 10th House

"The angular houses of the zodiac represent the four directions on Earth, expressing vertical reach energy, which connects higher planes to Earth, crossed in the middle by horizontal spread power. We are pulled out by Aries/Libra to know the self and to encounter the other. The vertical reach of Cancer/Capricorn is the individualized Tree of Life of our natal system causing it to spread downward in the third and fourth houses, and the energy of the ninth and tenth houses reaches incessantly upward, testing our desire to ascend to the sky. These are the cardinal houses where all activity is initiated. The tenth house is the gateway to the last quadrant of the zodiac, the tenth through twelfth houses where we give to the outside world all we have gathered in the first nine houses. In the tenth, we give our power and work; in the eleventh, we give our utmost creativity; and in the twelfth, we manifest our Chirotic force into the cosmos.

Chiron's presence in the tenth house signals a crisis about manifesting true purpose on the Earth plane. The energy of the tenth house is Saturnian; the energy of the eleventh house is Uranian, thus the natural growth progression of the tenth and eleventh houses is the most specific expression we have of the bridging energy from Saturn to Uranus by Chiron. The tenth house is pragmatic, and is the essence of bringing matter into form. The eleventh house is idealistic and limitless and is the essence of stretching ourselves to the highest potential gifting. The tenth house trines the house of Chiron (the sixth). The trines to the sixth from the second and tenth houses express the full essence of the being of the Centaur. This master warrior force wants power at the highest levels of the tenth house, and he can only sustain it with the perfect grounding force of the second house. Then the warrior force movces from the power of the tenth to the prodding driving quincunx of the eleventh house. The tenth house will always be a driven house because that is where we get the planetery juice, but it only becomes a sacred power if we are prepared to give it all away in the eleventh. The native with Chiron in the tenth house is not seeking power for power's sake; he or she is seeking power for release to Uranus.

(skipping a few paragraphs here onto the sixth paragraph)

Many of my clients with Chrion in the tenth were very confused about using power until their Saturn return. Many of their difficulties with Chiron in the tenth start resolving at the Satrun return. Their confusions were mostly caused by projections from childhood coming from people who had a personal interest in this child getting power. In most cases, the men had been heavily projected upon by their mothers and felt extreme aversion to success.

The key to Chiron in the tenth house is the mastery of power as a sacred gift. These individuals must accept their birthright fo much needed leadership with sensitivity. These individuals will begin to manifest wonderful New Age work when many of the outer planets move into Capricorn in the late 1980's. Astrologers should especially try to assist these individuals around the time of their Uranus opposition. It is hard for them to let go of Saturn control because they seem to feel the power of Uranus very intensely. These individuals become increasingly electric in their mid-thirties, and they need guidance to keep from becoming confused. Shirley MacLaine and Marilyn Monroe both have Chiron in the tenth. Marilyn Monroe could not handle her own power, and Shirley MacLaine is a model of assuming her power."

Hey Kel -

Thanks for taking so much time to post all those descriptions! I'm really learning alot here

My younger sister has Chiron in Taurus, in the 12th. The idea of a search for values makes sense for her, but I am stumped about the 12th house. Oops, I just realized I am not - ever since she was little she has been interesting in psycology, espeically criminal behaviour and uncovering deep secrets of why and how people do what they do. I can now how that is manifesting through the 12th house, especially as she is now in school studying for a career along these lines....

I'm on my out with my son to a "Captian Underpants" event at the local bookstore. I think I'm going to have to look for this book while I am there...

Love,
Terri

Hi Kel.

I have a book on Chiron, I have it at home and don't remember the author, but I think it is the same book.

In it is the mythological story of Chiron, and it is fascinating, how he ended being the "Wounded healer".
I have found that to understand better the energies of the planets, reading the mythological story of the God helps a lot.

I have Chiron in Aquarius,mmmm!! am I the oldest one around here????
You don't have to write Aquarius, because I have already read it, only if another Chiron in Aquarius appears...
Mine is on House 12, so it works like Piscis too...

Does the word "chiropractor" come from the same sourse as Chiron?

Love,

Tish

Hi Terri I have Chiron in the 12th also. And, like your sister, I have an interest in psychology. I'm trying to get into a masters in counseling program now.

And, like you, my Chiron is in Aries because we're close to the same age

Kel, that's so nice of you to type up all these excerpts. I haven't had a chance to read every post here, but you guys certainly are having an interesting discussion!

Wow, thanks Veneo!

Some of the info of Chiron in the 10th really made a lot of sense there...

It is hard for them to let go of Saturn control because they seem to feel the power of Uranus very intensely.

Oh... how true that statement is. I've always said that I let the Saturn square Neptune in my natal chart become too powerful, it's always been so much easier and comforting for me to escape reality. As for feeling the power of Uranus very intensely, in my opinion, for myself, that is an understatement. I just changed my MSN alias to "Uranian Cranium" yesterday as well. As I stated on the Uranus in Pisces thread, all the affliction to my natal Uranus, which falls in my 4th house, and well, I am the "black sheep" of my family if you will, everyone thinks I am crazy. Reading that part of the interpretation just backed up what I already knew, that my Uranus seems to be very powerful, I am also born on the 13th which equals 4, which vibrates to Uranus. As for the rest of it, well, I'm still in my early 20's, and just went through Uranus square Uranus, so I am have way to that Uranus opposition, I'll let you know how that goes if we are all here still and the world still exists. Thanks again for typing all that out!

Hi guys,

I just had to post here. I love Chiron. . . I've learned so much from this guy!! Kel, I cannot believe you remembered my Chiron placement-- wow. . .that was so heartwarming for me to read. . .and you were right. He does live in my 7th house. . .all by himself!! Ha! But my Chiron is heavily aspected-- it is part of a Grand trine with my Sun & Saturn. . within 1-2 degrees of orb. And with a 5-6 degree orb it pulls Mercury & Venus into that grand trine to join in on all that nice trine-y energy.

But it also sextiles my Moon & Jupiter ( less than 1 degree). . .which creates a kite in my chart. . . I like my kite. . . with Jupiter & the Moon being the tip of it . . .the Sun the bottom & Chiron & Saturn anchoring in all that energy. .

Chiron in the 7th. . . well. No, relationships have not been easy for me. I have been a very passionate, dramatic kind of girl all my life, and I've had some broken hearts in my day-- oooooh boy! But nothing I would think of as a permanent "wound" that I carry. My dad did leave when I was four, and sometimes I have atendency to select men that just so happen to be moving far away in a couple of months. . . that's a pattern, I don't know how I do this. . . and then, unavailable men . . . I know this is a pattern, and probably to do with Chiron in the 7th, in Taurus. . .in Taurus, all the more stubborn. But I'm aware of it in any event.

I don't like the rhetoric of "wounding". Maybe this is because I am a Capricorn & have little patience for wallowing in the woundedness. . . I come from a family of poor-poor-pitiful mes. . . & I believe that gloom is cheap.
You gotta maintain your own spirit come what may. . .

Not to say that I don't believe Chiron can coincide with some very painful times in the life. . . I fell apart when I was 18 and Chiron transited my ASC ( I had no knowledge of astrology back then. . . but when I learned astrology, I had to go back & see what was happeneing the March I was 18. . . cause I fell to pieces. I was having anxiety attacks & terrors. . . everyone thought I was going to have to be put on anti-depressants or something. . . But my best friend sat by me everyday for a month & we talked me out of the terrors. . . I realized a lot of stuff. . .nothing I could ever sum up in a post. It was literally a very, very freaky, frightening time. But looking back, I see it as Chiron waking me up, and forcing me to contend with my own issues, issues I'd always ( as a teenager) laughed off & pretty much scoffed at the idea that I couldn't handle everything under the sun.
But it opened my heart. . .in so many ways. . . Chiron is a key. . .I believe that. . .my heart flooded open. Within months I also discovered my spirituality ( another thing I had scoffed at before)

Now. This winter, the very moment Chiron squared my Asc, my mother fell and broke her foot. ( Saturn was square her Mars in Pisces at the time-- but I knew that with Chiron squaring my Asc, this event would call on me to rise & help. . .and it did)

Last year when Chiron squared my Sister's sun/Venus/Mars conjunction in Aries, she was afflicted with a rare nerve disorder ( CIDP) that paralyzed her legs for a month.

Spooky, huh? But these wounds have allowed them to heal more than physical problems, to think & grow mentally & emotionally & develop the strength needed to make it through any challenge. . .

Right as I write this, Chiron is on my IC. I am having to care for my Mom while her foot is up, plus my Grandmother had a heart attack-- I've had to spend time at my childhood home & away from Uni-- its been a testing time. . . Trying, but I am learning to balance & bridge these two halves of myself ( the independant & the co-operative)

Chiron, in my experience, is not to be taken lightly. . .but he isn't just an endless wound. . .he is however, I believe, an endless source of wisdom & opportunities for growth. . .


Jennifer

PS. . .all you guys with Taurus Chirons-- have you tried gardening??? Gardening, putting my hands in the Earth, the soil, the dirt. . .it has been more healing & wholing for me than any other spiritual practice ( and gets us in tune with Taurean Earth energy. . .) Just a suggestion. I am a garden fanatic-- people laugh, say I am an old woman before my time, etc etc. . . but they have no idea the strength you can get from a garden. If you have no room for one, just get plants, but get your fingers DIRTY all of you with Chiron in Taurus, I urge you. . . you'll see. . .