Hey Sabra, I don't know what your grievance with Maria is, and neither does anyone else here. And please don't tell us. You know the rules about private feuds and personal insults on the boards. Jeez, we're just trying to get past some other antagonistic energy here, this is not cool. Please stop.

Love,
Greg

Hi Terri,

You were in the wrong place at the wrong time and I really didn't mean it. I was upset with you about other things of which are my feelings and I had to work through them.
I'm not sure I believe in apologies. Love is never having to say you're sorry, in some ironic 70's melodramatic way.

On the other hand you never asked and I haven't heard from you in months. So beats me what's going on now? (Other than you are 9 months PG and we can't upset you even though you love to debate and get into arguments at the drop of a hat. )

As for right now, I am just getting my feeling out here so I don't explode from holding all my passion back and biting my tong. Coz some of these flakes can really spin a yarn.

I am not mad at you,
I'm not mad at anyone.

Darwin

Maria thank you for your support and understanding. It's very much appreciated. And you were very correct in all that you said.

Cristina those were very good thoughts and so were the things that Sky said. I don't agree totally but I agree mostly with what you both said.

I think for Greg's sake and for the sake of everyone else at this site, we should all just break the arrow and try to be friends or at least be on friendly terms with each other. I am not in competition with anyone around here. I am just giving my thoughts and opinions just like everyone else is. It is not my fault that some people around here get angry or "irritated" by what I say. They shouldn't do that in fact. Because in doing that they are giving me complete control over them. When we allow what others say and do to affect our emotions, make us angry or sad, we are giving them control over us. In controlling a person's feelings you control them. I don't want to control anyone. I just want to get along with everyone as best I can and speak my thoughts and feelings about things just like everyone else. I am perfectly willing to be on friendly terms with anyone. I don't hold grudges.

Love, Connie

Terri

I didn't say anything about what was or was not spiritual.
You are reading into it.
In fact, I think you were doing more of what you were impling.

Aw jeez guys, what is it with all this new attacking going on?

Proxy? Is it REALLY the case that Maria mentioning that Terri is getting ready to deliver and is worried about SARS and in need of a little TLC was so personally insulting to you that you just couldn't help but jump in to a thread already overburdened with conflict and add a NEW set of judgmental criticisms to argue about? Why?

Hey, are you about peace and love and caring about the folks in our community or net? If so, then why in God's name jump in from left field at this point with this kind of sexist bs? I don't get it. Give it a rest!

And for God's sake, whoever is NEXT in line to jump in and attack someone about something, go away! The attack line is closed. Take a number, make an appointment with Jerry Springer.

Jeez!

C'mon folks, are we gonna try to be friends here or not? If not, then why the hell be here at all? For what? If this is going to be just one attack after another, I'm just gonna roll it up and go home. Who needs or wants this?

Cut it out, already. PLEASE.

Love,
Greg

Terri.....*sigh*....you are a great person...and you don't deserve to be tromped on...I've never seen you attack anyone out of the blue......but like any normal person you defend yourself if someone attacks you......

...and no you don't deserve to be called names....I can really understand your hurt...believe me....(been there, remember? I didn't know why I deserved it, either)....*sigh*....

I know your baby is due any minute....and I hope it's not picking up any stress from you right now....

...but listen....you are one intelligent, understanding, kind, woman....with a lot of wisdom and logic....that's how I see you......and Terri, maybe you're not a saint....but who here is??? (You come closer than some...) Try not to be hurt...but I really do understand your feelings....most especially at this time....

and no Dar....that is NOT a sexist thing to say!!!

Have you never heard of hormones, and their effect on woman? Since you're the smartest man on the planet (by your own words), you certainly must be aware of that? *sigh*.

Darwin....I don't want to be quarrelling with you again, but how can you say that Greg favors the women? That is not true at all. He calls it like it is......even tho you made mention of his "groupies" at one time...(I know, I shouldn't bring up old stuff)....but it looks like you're on another tirade...

Equality of the sexes? They will never be equal...males are males and females are females....and I like it that way....We look different....we think different....we talk different...and we compliment each other....

Hang in there Terri...you've got a lot of work to do pretty soon....and my prayers are with you...

Luv,
Rainbow

Hey Darwin -

I wish I'd seen your answer to my first post, before I got all filled up with hot air and made my second one. Not that I am taking any of it back... But I wouldn't have been so rude about it.

Thanks for explaining.

Love,
Terri

Oh oh Greg! eeeeee....our posts crossed....

Just want Terri to bring that baby into the world with a smile on his face, instead of a frown....

Sorry it looks like I was disregarding your plea??? *sigh*

Dar....it was nice of you to "apologize" to Terri....

Greg....sorry...

Luv,
Rainbow

Hey Rainbow

Don't worry about me - my negetive energy containment fields are pretty strong - if I was too deeply effected by anything here, I'd be playing Tetris instead

Thanks for all the compliments - no I am not a saint though - and thank god, as being good all the time would make things pretty boring, I think

Love,
Terri

The curiosity of 50 posts brought me here...as I have been hiding in Words and Numbers for too long it seems....tied up in the fascination of our language and it's many facets and uses. Semantics and Rhetoric have been an interest for many years and I intrigue at the USE of language as a form of commune-I-cation.
But alas! I see where all the Words are being used on this Site, hiding in a cleverly disguised Forum of World Commune-ity. Wrapped in a thin veil of concern and opinion, Words are being tossed about as weapons of attack and defense, without anyone real eyesing that we are NOT in conversation.
The beautiful ability of WRITING posts is that One is able to READ Words printed, descipher them and respond in Time, with reason and respect to the Theme of the Site one Be-longs to....This One Being CONSCIOUS EVOLUTION.
Need I re-Mind any One here the definitions of both, as judging by the USE of Rhetoric here, I believe we are an informed and intelligent crowd.
However, in the case of those who wish to USE this Forum as a medium for subCONSCIOUS INVOLUTION, may I recommend 2 billion WebSites where you may get your fill.

I BElieve the intentions of everyone here is genuinely good...debating our views and searching for connectedness in some form or other. That is why so many re-turn here to this Community. To Belong.

But hell is also paved with good intentions and it ultimately comes down to our actions that really matter.
What is said is what is done. And what is done cannot be retracted. Only forgiven. It is a CONSCIOUS decision to speak. To Post. To Read. To Respond.

Perhaps we can put a little EVOLUTION into it?

Having said that, I will return to the sidelines of this Onederfull place and await the World Community this Site provides. With everyone living next to One another in respect.
After all, it is a VOLUNTARY ACTION that brings each and everyone of Us here.

See you in Words.


Chahlie

OK, Terri,

Actually I think it's a good thing we are all getting our feelings out here. Feelings need to be expressed as Maria said earlier, because to keep them inside only builds up resentment.

Prox, that melodramatic saying about Love meaning you never have to say you are sorry, means that if you truly love others you never do anything to have to say you are sorry for. Since most of us haven't attained the state of agape, which is pure, selfless love for others, we should say we are sorry anytime we hurt or offend someone else. Not being perfect, we do that a lot.

I have never seen Terri's bite that you mention unless she is really angry and on those occasions she has every right to bite. None of you have seen me truly angry. If you did it would make Terri's bites look mild in comparison. Being a Taurus it takes an awful lot to make me angry. But when I do get really angry it explodes like a nuclear bomb. I am trying to resist that anger though and learn to express my feelings of disapproval in more constructive ways.

Since we have all expressed our feelings. I would like to ask Joyce and El what there is about my posts that differ from others that causes them to make me their prime target around here. If any of you have any thoughts on that please let me know. Because I know I have faults, I just don't always see them. And I truly am trying to overcome my faults and get along the best I can with other people.

Love, Connie P.S. That Jerry Springer comment cracked me up, Greg. ROFL here. My husband, who is also a Virgo, describes this kind of the thing with the same terms.

Hey guys, call me when it's time for the group hug!

Love,
Greg

((((((((((((((GREG)))))))))))))) Hugs and Kisses from this end Greg, El Joyce and everyone.

Well said Charles

Love, Connie

Darwin just needs to get laid.

Moonflower

Not defending his ungentlemanly behaviour - BUT - Darwin has known me for close to three years of posting on this site - and everything he is saying about me is true. He knows my virtues too, but he's just being narrow at the moment

Love,
Terri

Connie....it's obvious to me that you are on a spiritual path...you express yourself in ways that show that.....and believe me, I know how BULLS can be when they get MAD! (I have a sister who is a "cow girl" as I call her)....I tell you, I don't want to be anywhere even CLOSE to her during those times.....

..so the mere fact that you realize that, and are working to not resort to "bull tactics" show you are moving in the right direction........kinda reminds me of how I've been trying to "rise above" my Scorpio Ascendant, negative side...which ain't pretty...*sigh*.........and just when I think I'm making progress....somebody or something comes along to test me....

...you've raised a most beautiful daughter....she is precious in every way.....that right there tells me something about you.....

Yer kwel....

Luv,
Ginny

I'm in.
((((((((((((( GREG )))))))))))))))

LASTCHILD........



Luv,
Rainbow

(((((((ALL OF US))))))

((((ok))))

Count me in too!!!
(( (( (( HUGS!!!! )) )) ))

I'm game too.....

((((((Greg, Connie, Chahlden, El, Joyce, jwhop, Dar, Terri, ~Kel, Aries, Sky, Peggy, Cat, Donna, Maria, Cristina, Sabra, Last Child))))))



Luv,
Rainbow

Yeah!

(((((( EVERYONE! ))))))

Love,
Greg

As usual I don't even get to defend myself against false accusations or even have the opportunity to explain my side. All I want to do is set the record straight. Especially since I am being smeared all over the web in public forums and I am being labeled as "bastard", "cyber weirdo", "bad energy", "cyber-slug" "a bottomless pit of neediness" "damage" all because a perception and a false impression has been planted in their heads. But I am being told to ignore it as always even if my disability of dyslexia is being belittled.

Just an act of futility on my part I guess.

Sabra the phony.
I am just a bad penny ...

Just so everybody knows I do apologize when I am not badgered. Here is my proof since it seems I am not believable in the least. Below is the third apology I sent to Maria in as many months. I worked very hard on it which is why it took so long. But I was told that I am not sorry enough and I was harassed even more. As of yet I have no acknowledgement of what I have been through, let alone any kind of apology. Now I am too worn out from the abuse to do much of anything else.

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03/06/2003 overdue apology message

Dear Maria,

I know this is way overdue. I want to tell you how very sorry I am for the sarcastic remarks in the past. My remarks came off as rather cruel to you. I never had any intention of being mean or show any hatred towards you. Nevertheless my remarks on the site were biting and deep, and I must apologize to you for that.

I am sorry that I wrote "Don't you believe it Joyce". That was a mistake and I should not have said that.

When I sent you that "Hi?" PM, I was only wondering if you were okay since you were exhausted and getting the much needed rest at the time. Honestly, it had nothing to do with me getting an answer every time I speak in the thread. You wouldn't even give me a chance to explain privately to you off line because you said I "zig" and "zag". I am sorry I said "Hi" to you and I am sorry about zigging and zagging when I write. The latter is my dyslexia kicking in and I can't help that.

I now know it was never your intention, and I don't know if you realized it, but I too "was extraordinarily hurt, absolutely stunned and pretty damn pissed" because at the time I felt that you seemed to "turn on a dime." To me I felt the following nice statements you made previously seemed disingenuous.

Two months before you wrote "So, dear Sabra, you know you are one of my heroes forever, right up there with my husband and my dad and my brother and Greg . . ." and a week earlier you wrote to me "At the risk of overdoing it by gushing, I really do love you like crazy." You were so nice and sweet to me for most of the summer when Lis, Dar and Ace Yellow were giving you a hard time. I reminded you to make an appointment with your doctor for your exam because I deeply cared about your health and well being. Maria, I felt like I was being scolded and I thought you wanted to see how angry I would get when you sent the "now are you pissed at me" message. I really felt like I was being snubbed and I don't like being intimidated. I get very defensive.

Since you wouldn't listen to me offline I felt like I was being pushed into a corner and the only way I knew how to convey to you how I felt was by that dumb "Don't you believe it" remark I made. Maria, that was cruel of me to say that and I am very sorry I wrote that.

I was responding to Peggy when I made the "I have a hard time believing in miracles" statement. At first I was referring to the doctors and the way my parents died which is why I also said "in regard to the above". When I wrote that, I was then thinking about my parents and one of their beliefs about hard work and not believing in miracles. I don't know if it has something to do with an old German way of life but they were raised and taught that only hard work gets a person anywhere. They told me constantly to never expect any miracles in life. I used the "sleeping all day" example because that is what I do sometimes and I would blame others for not being successful. Two hours later in that same thread I even inquired about the book of yours that you were writing.

That was not meant to be directed towards you or come across as sarcastic. I should have been more explicit when I wrote that. You are right about "friends don't do that to friends." I apologize because you took that as a cruel statement towards your illness.

I misinterpreted your post "Here's the link that saber saw, I mean Sabra sent." in the "All Merc'd out!!!!!!" thread and I got offended when you wrote, "saber saw." I mistakenly took that as a sarcastic remark. It wasn't at all because you didn't reply to my message. Nevertheless, even if you didn't send that email, I should have just asked you nicely not to use "saber saw" rather than have been mean to you on the site. I thought I was also "just playing lightly" in trying to tell you that I didn't like being called "saber saw." I am sorry that I came off as "too fucking mean".

I have the utmost respect for other people's religion and even for those that claim to be an atheist. When I asked the question regarding the difference between prayer and meditation, it was a sincere effort on my part to gain more knowledge. I had absolutely no intention to show any disrespect toward you or anyone's belief system. I guess I felt your responses to my question in that particular thread was cut and dry (so to speak) and of a harsh tone. That doesn't matter how you responded, I should have been more sensitive. I am so sorry I was ignorant.

Maria, I never hated you either. I am so sorry for all the hurt I caused and I wish I could take all that pain away. I was acting rashly. I never intended to do you any harm. But in the process, I did cause you pain. I apologize.

Love and light,
Eran

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