#134243 - 06/15/03 11:34 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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 This is Good Stuff here....the Way Words cause our Minds to associate feelings and thoughts...Play rhymes and riddles in our Heads, invoking deeper meanings than the face value of the Word itself. I love all the interpretations! A vehicle for Change!  Turn...turn...turn. ANd Cristina..that is One Vision indeed! Bravo. Re-Evolution. The frame story of co-centric Circles emitting from One another into the Future re-turning to the Past. The Complete Incompletion. And of course...J.L. watching the Wheels go Round and Round.....how I love to watch them Roll. Revolution has all ways struck a Chord in my Uranian Heart...shedding Molten dogma for a New Brave Whirled has all ways appealed to me,...breaking barriers and setting Sights for the New Age to grant Evolution, in leaps and bounds. Quite unlike ReSolution, which is often a cerebral and/or emotional decision, Revolution has all ways spurred thoughts of flaming torches,secret meetings of Anarchists and Freedom Fighters alike. Plotting a bold course for the Masses to briefly visit..if only to open their I's. Feel the Fervor! Staying in the Theme a bit...how about ALLEGIANCE ?
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#134244 - 06/16/03 07:47 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Virgo etymologist reporting for duty!
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, allegiance is:
1. Loyalty or the obligation of loyalty, as to a nation, sovereign, or cause.
2. The obligations of a vassal to a lord.
The word derives from the Anglo-French legaunce "loyalty of a liege-man to his lord," which in turn derives from the Old French legeance and further still from the latin ligare, "to bind or hold together" (ligament, ligature.)
A leige (the lord to which a leige-man is bound) is one qwho is "entitled to the loyalty and services of vassals or subjects, according to feudal law."
The interesting thing here to me is the sense of obligation, or being BOUND to loyalty. These days we think of loyalty as something more freely chosen, and in America we "pledge allegiance" to the flag and its republic (why would we need to "pledge" something we were already obligated to?) Yet in fact we ARE legally bound to give loyalty to our respective "lords" ... the crime of treason is exactly the failure to remain loyal to one's country.
I think it's fascinating that even as our thoughts and ideas evolve, they remain conditioned by ancient concepts we may not even remember but are embedded in our language. Thus, even in the nation explicitly organized so that the state is the servant of the people, rather than the other way around, we nonetheless perpetuate a concept and pledge that describes an unequal relationship between vassals and the sovereign "lords" of state, in which it is the state that is entitled to the loyalty and services of us vassals!
Interestingly, the word "religion" stems from the same root, RE-ligare meaning "to bind BACK" or to bind to the original Lord. It seems that at least in the Western traditions the notion of obedience and obligation -- that we are BOUND to a lord of authority -- have assumed primary importance even in the spiritual realm.
Small wonder that we're so well conditioned to doing what we are told! It's what we've been taught for thousands of years. It's built into our languages, and hence our thought processes.
That's some tough conditioning to overcome!
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#134245 - 08/06/03 10:27 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Well now Greg. How pleased I am to have been invoked here by your concern and Words. Somewhere in the Force of Nature, I felt the conjuration of my Spirit to rejoin a neglected Path I so much missed ,only to find your inquery with my Name. Thank you for you thoughts and more importantly....these Words! I find your investigation and observation here completely fascinating and most appropriate for the pure pose of this Thread! How I missed it this long, I can only excuse to my Uranian Nature..... Allegiance has never been a favorite Word of mine...finding it difficult to be a Ship at sea with an anchor in the Harbor, the innate ligare I have is to my Self and that which I have come to call Mine. Be it a country, family, town, state or village...I am bound to my Life which I have created, honed and call my own. Innately, without never for pledges and promises....Yes. Some VERY heavy NLP conditioning here I strive so hard to distort. Rattle the cage I say.... I feel as though FreeDome has been misinterpreted into some fabricated assembly line product that is displayed with flags, bumper stickers and SUV's roaming the Great Fontier. Using allegiance as the fear factor to belong as a Patriotic Citizen. "Your with Us or your against Us" has replaced "give me Liberty or give me death." Allegiance has always brought images of the French Foreign Legion to my Mind,....with the notion of all the misfits in the World, filled with fallibility and faltered pasts joining together to "bind" as One, under some solemn oath agreed upon by the Will of man. All under the name John Smith.  I love your information. It is EXACTLY what I was hoping for in this Thread. Nothing better than a Virgo Etymologist I say....aside a Doctor I suppose. Or a straight man. If allegiance is required, FreeDome is lost. Is FreeDome a PRIVILEDGE ?
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#134246 - 08/07/03 01:27 AM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Chahles! How great to see you here,  I was really missing your words of wisdom and whizzes of word-dom. Thanks for bringing up this thread again, I had forgotten about it too.  Love,  Greg
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#134247 - 08/08/03 01:12 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Hey, there you are, Chahlie! Glad to see you are still with us. Unfortionately FreeDome is a priviledge in this foresaken world, but that is not the way it should Be. Privy ledge-- secret knowledge....private happenings and blessings bestowed only on the chosen few. When it is really our given birthright, and so without it, we are actually robbed of it from the start. As the man who will be executed soon for blasphomy for expressing negative thoughts of Muhammad.....Freedom is definately a priviledge he will never know. Allegiance and Priviledge are foreign and displaced words for Freedoms Pure intent.  ~Lisa
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#134248 - 08/09/03 01:51 AM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Hi Chahles,  nice to see you back!
Freedom is NOT a priviledge.
It is neither given nor earned from another being.
It shouldn't even come to the point of having to fight for it.
It is not an honor to receive from another.
It is the RIGHT that God has bestowed upon us.
It is our FREE WILL.
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#134249 - 08/28/03 08:37 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Chaldean!! I've missed you so! I freely left the forum and I freely returned to it and I freely express my joy of reading your posts. Freedom Free dom Freed om Fre edom Dome Feed Eden rome more...... I feel freedom when I have authority over my behavior, my property, my life, my existance. When my behavior isn't dictated by outsiders, when my actions aren't restricked by others, when my thoughts aren't manipulated, freedom to me is completely felt when ME, MYSELF and I exercise sole authority over my feelings, thoughts, actions and choices. That being said, true freedom does not exist. Perhaps it is a state of mind alone, a fiction, an illusion we're suckered into, I do not feel freedom when I pass by a line of flags flying in the air. Quite the opposite, I feel restrictions and suffocation. Freedom does not exist. Free will however -- does. Yet I must ad that different levels of freedom are very much present and in some areas of the world the levels fluctuate. But true unalterated freedom is but a state of mind -- in my free thinking opinion!
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#160001 - 01/06/08 11:28 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Almost four years to the day, I found this Thread under my bed.  I never did get to reply to Greg on this one and know how much he loved Words as we do. It was an intersting topic I hope to continue...4 years later?! Talk about Time travel.  Bump.
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#160018 - 01/10/08 06:20 PM
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 Hey You. You all ways have your dancing shoes on....  Ready to tear up the floorum and be whisked away with our greatest gift since the imposable Thumb....Words! One thing completely fascinating to me is the ability to do this...pick up where we left off...so many Daze and Threads ago. As if Time has waited for Us to catch up. I guess the Beat is still the Beat...and the Band plays on... anda 1, a 2, a 3..... "My Dear Momma left me, when I wuz quite young.... I'm on the Road Agin..."  I guess a good Place to start Is at the BEginning.... The Word Genesis comes to Mind. A Word I have all ways found intriguing. To Begin the beginning,... What does Genesis bring to Mind?  Help me out Wall Flowers, one cannot dance alone too long after all...even Billy Idol. 
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#160020 - 01/11/08 02:55 AM
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Shall we?  I've got a few lexi lines -- Genesis is seen in genes Siege signs sins Sis Gin sings  I guess Rainbow popped in with that third.   Maria
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#160021 - 01/11/08 11:34 AM
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Sis Gin sings. Lovely!! genesis: See Signs Sign sign, every where a sign Love, juni
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#160038 - 01/14/08 08:48 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Ah, genesis - a word that brings many things to mind and a very good one to spiral on.  The very first book in the Christian bible that tells their version of the story of Creation, beginning with the Heavens, which contain stars, meteors, comets and planets in galaxy upon galaxy all the way to infinity. Stars and planets that are there for us to "see the signs" as Juni mentioned. As above, so below. The Book of Genesis also gives a detailed genealogy of mankind starting with Adam and Eve. That story involves the committing of a sin which is contained within the word Genesis, as Maria pointed out. And Genesis is also where our "Sis Gin sings".  A beautiful song from a beautiful soul to chase away any images of sneaky sinful serpents. I don't think it gets anymore beautiful than that.  Thanks Maria for putting that beautiful imagine into our hearts. I was drawn to the beginning of this thread and my jaw dropped when I read Greg's 5/26/03 post, which is the 5th one. He was quoting from Linda's Star Signs and in it, he speaks of singing and Adam and Eve. I urge you all to go back and re-read it. It's so amazing how his post from almost 5 years ago comes full circle to our discussion of Genesis today. As you so aptly put Chahlie, it is "as if Time has waited for Us to catch up." Also within Genesis is Genie, a magical being who possesses the power to grant wishes in an instant, much like our Universe and all within it was created with the thoughts/desires of Higher Power. "Let there be Light" and poof there was Light.  Our thoughts are the genesis of our uniquely created realities.  &  , Tracey
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#160062 - 01/18/08 10:15 AM
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(I'm not sure this has a place here. hope so) To diminish is to begin Genesis; a womb Transmuting creation from surrendered flight Most magnificent in latent power the private tenderness of unannounced Grace. Often passed by~ most meaningfully, cherishingly embraced beyond realms of Seizing. A flower blazes more significant in a flowerless dome. As the steely shoulder of Space, whose cold Vast Hollow of mysterious Thrones forever reveres polar pulses of exuding warmth, Circulating/ birthing boisterous nurseries from the faintest dying breaths. ~~ reflections inspired by The Little Flower-- Saint Therese of Lisieux
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#160304 - 02/10/08 11:35 AM
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Halo Wordies  Seems like a month of Sun Daze since we've convened....(or is that covened? )to this Place of Wordology. Ether way, we reTurn once a Gain to the point at hand in the forearm we seam to in Joy so much. And thank Goodness for that.  Since Words have a Way of Interpretation a bout them, and Being deSigned in such a Way, as to allow the Witness a glimpse of the Origin and OriginAll "meaning" of a Word...purhaps we can format this Thread in a Way as to unlock Srirals that are Other Wise caught in Be tween... f r a g m e n t e d Thoughts,Feelings and Actions jumbled Up written Down Stared at Side Ways Debated Related Elated Frustrated Thrown Out there Held in Hear So Far So Near but Still.... f r a g m e n t e d. Waiting to Be made Sense Of. Waiting to Be reTurned Together to Fabricate Function from Form Spoken Words from Silent Symbols Feelings from Thoughts Words from Feelings. A Web of Threads  peacing togather Up and Onward the True "meaning" of It All. Sew.... Hear we Go: Please ADD ON all that You Feel is missing or Knowit Worthy... ALL Additions are Well Come, No Matter the Source. The Word and It's Meaning:(Definition/Languages/Root/Glyphs) Genesis: Origin/Birth "Genesis" derives from the Greek title Γένεσις, meaning "birth", "creation", "cause", "beginning", "source" or "origin", In Hebrew it is called בְּרֵאשִׁית, B'reshit or Bərêšîth,[2] "in the beginning", from the first words of the text in Hebrew, in line with the other four books of the Torah.The Lexigramming of the Word: (All Rules apply)  ( Love these BTW and the connections are so appropriate :))
Is In See Sis Gin Sings Genie Genes Seige Signs I Sees I See Genes Isis is Genes Gene I see's Isis is in Genes Is Isis in Genes? Genes see signs Isis sees signs Genie sees signs in Isis Signs see Genie in Isis Genie sees signs in Isis Genie see sin in Isis I see sin in Isis Genie sees I in Isis I see sign in Genes
The FolkLore/Mythology/Hearsay/History of the Word 
GENESIS Greek: "birth", "origin") is the first book of the Bible, and the first of five books of the pentateuch. It recounts the Judeo-Christian history of the world from the creation to the descent of the children of Israel into Egypt, and contains some of the best-known stories of the Old Testament, including Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Noah's Ark, the Tower of Babel, and the biblical Patriarchs. "In the beginning God[3] created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters." God creates light; the "firmament" separating "the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;" dry land and seas and plants and trees which grew fruit with seed; the sun, moon and stars in the firmament; air-breathing sea creatures and birds; and on the sixth day, "the beasts of the earth according to their kinds." "Then God said, Let us make man in our image ... in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."[4] On the seventh day God rests from the task of completing the heavens and the earth: "So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."
God forms Adam "from the dust of the ground...and man became a living being."[5] God sets the man in the Garden of Eden and permits him to eat of all the fruit within it, except that of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, "for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." God makes "every beast of the field and every bird of the air, ... and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name ... but for the man there was not found a helper fit for him." God causes the man to sleep, and makes a woman from one of his ribs, and the man awakes and names his companion Woman, "because she was taken out of Man."[6] "And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed."[7]
The serpent tells the woman that she will not die if she eats the fruit of the tree: "When you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,[8] knowing good and evil." So the woman eats and gives to the man who also eats. "Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons." God curses the serpent: "upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life;" the woman he punishes with pain in childbirth and with subordination to man: "your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you;" and the man he punishes with a life of toil: "In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground." The man names his wife Eve,[9] "because she was the mother of all living." "Behold," says God, "the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil," and expels the couple from Eden, "lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever." The gate of Eden is sealed by a cherub and a flaming sword "to guard the way to the tree of life."[10]
Genesis 1-11 "appears to be a reformatting of motifs and characters from four Mesopotamian myths, Adapa and the South Wind, Atrahasis, the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Enuma Elish."[90] The Babylonian myths are inverted in the Hebrew retelling: for example, the Babylonian serpent-god Ningishzida is a friend of mankind who helps the human hero Adapa in his search for immortality, while Genesis' serpent is man's enemy, seeking to trick Adam out of the chance to attain immortality.[91] The inversions represent a rejection of the power of Babylon's gods in favour of the might of Yahweh; more than this, they replace the essentially optimistic worldview of the Mesopotamian mythos - "things were not nearly as good to begin with as they have become since" - with a worldview in which the world was created perfect but grew steadily worse, "until God finally had to do away with all mankind except for the pious Noah who would beget a new and better stock."[92](Wikpedia) The Phonetic/Linguistic/Rhetoric/Semantic Connotation to the Word (Sounds and Lost Speelings) Gene Isis GeneEye's Is Genus Is Genus His Gene is His Gene Isis A Personal Interpreter-tation Of the Word:  (WhateEver comes to Mind) Genesis always reMinds me of a dawning. A miraculous Birth that sparks and provokes a New Life. It is ever becoming without actual Birth It Self. In it's perpetual turning and reTurning Genesis emcompasses the many into One. A Happening that is without cause or consequence. A rEvolving onset of Life. Perpetual prana. There is no BEginning in Genesis, which is the ironic Mystery. Constant reLease of Life projecting into It Self,... Purhaps the mere Witness of It makes it seem so mystical,...or the poderance of It, so Wonderous. Whirled without BEginning Or end.... Quest-EonS Comments Observations  :[/u] Shout it Out Loud. Any One Game? Please join my Self and Others, not just as a viewer but as a participant in our Spiral Onward and Upward. Who knows. MayBe we will get LOST!~  Chahlie
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#160366 - 02/14/08 09:03 PM
Re: Wonderful World of Words
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Halo Wordies  Purrhaps a Word closer to home would ignite some Thotht round hear. May we move on to a Word we are more familyyouare... a Word we can relate to and aspire from? METAMORPHOSIS METAMORPHOSIS:Metamorphosis is a biological process by which an animal physically develops after birth or hatching, involving a conspicuous and relatively abrupt change in the animal's form or structure through cell growth and differentiation. Some insects, amphibians, molluscs, crustaceans, cnidarians, echinoderms and tunicates undergo metamorphosis, which is usually (but not always) accompanied by a change of habitat or behaviour.(wikpedia) LEXIGRAMS:: FOLKLORE::The Metamorphoses by the Roman poet Ovid is a narrative poem in fifteen books that describes the creation and history of the world. Probably written between 2 and 8 AD, it has remained one of the most popular works of mythology, being the Classical work best known to medieval writers and thus having a great deal of influence on medieval poetry. Ovid's work, is that of love—personal love or love personified as Amor (Cupid). Indeed, the other Roman gods are repeatedly perplexed, humiliated, and made ridiculous by Amor, an otherwise relatively minor god of the pantheon who is the closest thing this mock-epic has to an epic hero. Apollo comes in for particular ridicule as Ovid shows how irrational love can confound the god of pure reason. While few individual stories are outright sacrilegious, the work as a whole inverts the accepted order, elevating humans and human passions while making the gods and their desires and conquests objects of low humor. PHONETICS/SEMANTICS:: Meet a More for Us Met amore for Us Met a more for Sis PERSONAL INTERPRETATION:: Usually One thinks of caterpillers and butterflies, snakes and rising phoenixes, the obvious transformation of the physical Being and Self to the naked I. In the land of Mysticism, it is the illusionist who transforms or distorts reality for the Seeker and wondrous audience...but personally I believe Metamorphosis is a willfull Spiritual desire to aspire higher...to Be come more than One self...to Be come the Part of the Hole...that fills the Void. The True elevation of our Selves hidden deep in our human cast. It is ignited by our deepest yearning to arise out of the confines of our carefully constructed prison we succumb to everyday....in this yearning we spark the successive catalyst that forces the chain reaction of growth outside our self to the Etheric body. Constantly emitting and radiating...we metamorphosize continuously. 
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