Love,
Greg

Hi Woody, Kel, Greg and all!
I feel something really amazing is unfolding right now on the earth at the moment, with the help of books such as The DaVinci code and B.H Clow's books, & more and more information about alternative lifestyles, complementary health seeping into the mainstream. Sometimes things seem at their worst with all the war on terror stuff going on, but as the light gets brighter, the darkness is exposed.
Still reading the book, I'm at the bit where they are trying to work out what the p.s key opens!

Hello, just wanted to comment on a Cayce Book, Cayce on Atlantis, sure I read the Atlanteans were trying to destroy the Dinosaurs, and Linda G. book explained the Atlantean destruction, caused such mutations as dinosaurs. oops if Ive missed this point in here somewhere already, having hard time loading pages, especially on weekends...Enjoyed your new entry Woody, and all that everyone has posted about Christ, bloodline, RC church etc..
Love the Merkaba Greg, good visual that one. whos that distinguished looking man with the beard?!!..hehe!
CD

That is a good one Greg... I love the colors.

That's beautiful, Greg. It appeals to my eye because purple is my favorite color. What does it represent? I see The Trinity in it. The triangle symbol of eternity.

I have been following the thread even if I had no comment. We have jumped from Nibiru orbiting the earth and reptilian people to Edgar Cayce. Yes, Lisa it is interesting to see all the different belief systems here. You are very correct in what you said in your post, Lisa. The message is what is most important and beyond that how we live out the message in our own lives.

Good to see you back on the threads again Chahlie. You are way too scarce around here lately and very much missed. I miss those little assignments you used to give us in Words and Numbers. I learned from researching things with the letter or number. Plus it was fun.

Woody, I have been trying to follow that story of yours but as Lisa finds it hard to read the Bible, I find it hard to get into this Nibiru thing. It isn't that it is beyond my intellect to grasp. It has no heart, and no feeling - just cut and dry intellect stuff. Not something I would hold in my heart as belief or be willing to die for. Bet you wouldn't either. Bet no one would. It doesn't inspire. At least not me. Does it inspire you? While reading your story I asked myself what the message was trying to tell me as I do when I read the Bible. How is this message going to bring a change about in me to make me a better human being? How can I apply this message to my life to help make the world a better place? There is no feeling in your story. There is no love. I see it as Prox said, so much "do do in the flower bed." Do do that can't even make the grass or flowers grow because it brings no nutrient to give them life and nothing to sustain that life. Sorry, but I am being honest about it.

What do you get out of this story that rocks your world and moves you to become a better human being and help make the world a better place? Is it easier to believe that Jesus was an alien than God incarnate? I am not being sarcastic I'm just asking you to explain why you presented the story and what it does to inspire you. Because while it may leave me cold it might inspire you greatly. I don't know. What's the message and what point is being presented here? Maybe I'm missing something.

Love, Connie

It's called the Merkaba, Connie ... one of the oldest sacred symbols in the world, representing the "light body" ... which could also be called the inner Christ ... the individuated divine light that is our true nature. You can make out many of the great religious and spiritual symbols in it, including the Cross and the Star of David. This graphic is a 3-dimensional representation of it, showing its energetic "workings" as described in many metaphyical sources - two inter-penetrating tetrahedra (equilateral triangular pyramids), one pointing up and rotating clockwise, one pointing down and rotating counter-clockwise.

Among other things, it shows the perfecty balanced - but never "static" - reconciliation of opposites that underlies all creation. Perfect love.

Love,
Greg

HI everyone,

Connie, I thought alot about your question to Woody about how his story makes an impact on his life. I'd like to hear Woody's answer to that myself...but for ME...the answer is something like this.
The majority of what's in the Bible doesn't "speak to me".
It used to be something I was almost ashamed of...like there was something wrong with me. I'd look all around me and see how most people are soooo affected by it...but even as a child (maybe ESPECIALLY as a child)...it just seemed WRONG. As a child I had nothing to back up or support my feelings...they were just that...my feelings.
But when I got older and started searching I found many other books...messages that agreed with that "feeling" I get in my middle.
I decided that at least for now...what I read in the Old Testament had little value for me. Until I read Sitchin. It's an entirely different interpretation than I have EVER been exposed to and you guessed it...it rang that bell inside me.
Or at least some of it does.
There's still something in there that doesn't fit for me but I can't put my finger on it. My gut tells me...it's sooo close...but just slightly skewed. AGAIN...these are JUST FEELINGS but I feel that's part of my evolution...to learn to TRUST my feelings and especially my "knowing" but to allow others to do the same.
Another reason I think Sitchin and other's theories speak so strongly with me has to do with the hidden truths of lexigrams.
Here are some of the phrases contained within my name:
Space ship
Change gene code yes/no
Prodegy has his/her genes
Crop rings are in sacred geo shape
Anarchy proceeds a change in ideas

So you can see why these stories Woody posts are REALLY interesting to me!

And Greg...I have never heard of a Merkaba but that sure speaks to me, too!

The Merkaba!

It's absolutely beautiful, Greg....I stare at it in total fascination....

I had never heard of it before, either...

Thank you for sharing....
(the explanation, as well as the graphic!)

Love,
Rainbow

I'm glad you shared it on this thread as well Greg. I'd actually come across it for the first time about a year ago when we were doing Meditation Mondays and posted an attachment of a golden one to use for meditation. I even got Troy and Tom to do it with me too while gazing at it.

Peggy... your experience sounds VERY much like mine , only it was in reading about Edgar Cayce at age 15 that began to open my mind. I too resonate with much of the same information as you.

Peggy,
I feel the same.... the bible doesn't really do it for me either, and I felt the same way as you as a child. But reading Barbara Hand Clow, like the link Kel posted on here fills me up with a positive, trusting feeling.

Hello Everyone,

Greg, your synchronicity w/ the Merkaba is great. I will explain in a litle more detail how the Merkaba is important to us... but I will do that when I have more time. First, here is a link to Richard Hoaglands web site. He & others have found a message from Mars. One of the clues is the tetrahedra. The link I'm providing is discussing the message from Mars. It's long but if you just want to read the various summeries & conclusions this will give you a quick explaination of the tetrahedral message of Mars & how it applies to other planets & to free energy.

www.enterprisemission.com/message.htm

Woody

hey Woody how've you been, friend?

I'm enjoying your story-telling - quite thought-provoking and refreshing, and while some may disagree, I can tell that you ARE speaking very much from the heart and mind, (we all need to do both, and independently, IMHO) and because I've heard you talk in person, I can volunteer here that it most certainly is delivered with feeling.

And just gotta share with y'all... that Bible book didn't do much for me, either. Had a few good stories in it, but I've read lots of books with good stories in 'em, and I don't necessarily feel the urge to believe them all. Besides, there were a heck of a lot of good people speaking a heck of a lot of good stuff a heck of a lot earlier than 2000 years ago, man.

I will say, though, that if you look for them, there are lots of hints and messages in the Bible, especially for those of us who dig numbers and the alphabet... not to mention astrology and star systems...

anessene

PS... re Jesus as an alien... how do you know he WASN'T?
I mean, come on, if we're all 'connected,' then we're all aliens, we're all starpeople, we're all humans

Hi Woody,
very interesting about mars.
Here in England the most amazing thing that happens every summer is the crop circles. Every year the designs get more & more intricate and beautiful. I love spending time in them, they have an amazing energy. Someone I know did some research on them and managed to get some photos of what was making them- these round balls of light. After they had the pictures developed, which came out very well, the next day, on each ball of light a smiling face appeared!

Back to the book ... the Da Vinci Code? I'm going ahead and plowing through -- for you guys, because I'm quite fond of you guys and am interested to see if something many of you liked has any juice at all for me ... maybe on page 333? But I'll tell you what, I'm on page 21 and I can barely stomach it.

It has nothing to do with the subject matter. It has everything to do with Dan Brown's purple prose and prepubescent comic-book tricks. Yeah, I know he's a best-selling novelist and I'm not, but his writing sucks. Just sucks turkey. The old 25-cent Superman comics were written better. Despite the continental settings, this is not grand literature, this is pulp fiction in Paris. And I'm not talking about Pulp Fiction the movie, which was actually rather extraordinary storytelling, I'm talking about pulp fiction, 25-cent BS written for 5th graders to read on the toilet.

I thought the guy's editors must have been asleep at the wheel when I read this boner on the very first page:

Quote:

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The man stared at him, perfectly immobile except for the glint in his ghostly eyes.

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Let me understand this. The man wasn't moving, but the glint in his eyes was moving? 'Scuse me? How's this happen? The strobe light and turning disco ball on the ceiling of the Louvre?

Then Langdon, the Harvard symbologist, is riding along in the lieutenant's car, thinking about some girl he kissed, and the cop breaks into his thoughts with the question, "Did you mount her?" (Talking about the Eiffel Tower, of course. Heh heh.) How old is this Dan Brown? 12? What is that rot?

I had to stop groaning and just toss the book aside in exasperation when I got to this impossible passage of purple prose on page 21. The only "observer" in the scene to describe events is Langdon, and he's describing the captain, who walks "with his chin tucked hard to his chest," so obviously, Langdon can't see the captain's eyes. Nevertheless, here's the ludicrous description:

Quote:

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As he advanced, his dark eyes seemed to scorch the earth before him, radiating a fiery clarity that forecast his reputation for unblinking severity in all matters.

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Say fucking what??? Wait a minute, wait a minute. They're inside the Louvre. There's no earth there to scorch; only floor. This man's eyes, which the describer can't see, are shooting out flames? These flames are "forecasting" (future) a "reputation" (past)? For "unblinking severity"? Purple prose at its most pompous and impossible.

The best I can say so far, and it's damning with faint praise, is that Dan Brown learned his Stephen King lesson well as far as writing two-page chapters for all the readers with short attention spans.

Most people on this forum write better than this guy, in my opinion. I have serious doubts whether I'll be able to suspend my intelligence long enough to read this overwrought mush.

Yuck. Didn't anyone else feel like they were being led down an artifically perfumed primrose path by a shyster hack writer when they read this thing?

Love & perplexity,
Maria

Hi Maria,
shame you feel like that, I've really enjoyed it so far. It sounds like you are looking for faults as you read it, maybe because you've felt negatively about it at the beginning- or maybe you have virgo in some prominent position in your chart!
As it's fiction the phrases you are describing can't be taken so literally! When I started, I felt a bit like, right, ok, c'mon,what's going to happen next. (yawn) . As I do with many books as I start them, but it does get more exciting as it goes along. I can't see what's wrong with "The man stared at him, perfectly immobile except for the glint in his ghostly eyes."

In French, the word montez (I think it's spelt like that , correct me if I'm wrong) means " to climb" . The word that is nearest to it in english is to "mount" . So, because the character in the book was french, he would've probably used the word "mount" as he spoke in english to Langdon, not knowing that the word "climb" would be more appropriate. Also, in French, some objects are male and some are female, unlike in english (all objects are "it"-) The tour Eiffel is female, and that is why he said "Did you mount her". He didn't mean to sound rude, but in Langdons mind, as he was thinking about an old girlfriend, the phrase rang a bell, like a synchronicity.

Boy Maria... you are highly critical of his writing. Picking apart every sentence for it's believability. Boy, I'm a Virgo with 3 planets and my IC there, and I didn't see any of what you saw.

It seems to me that your picking it apart as a reason to not really explore the overall theme of what the Author has to say (being that you've only made it to page 21 before tossing it aside... you haven't even scratched the surface).

I'm sure that many authors write in a way that most people can follow and read since the reading level of most americans is 8th grade. If he wrote too intellectually, many would not be able to follow, and I'm sure he uses phrases like eyes scorching the Earth below to be descriptive, and get across the fact that the Captian is quite an intense and serious person. If one's intention is to be a best selling author, than one has to bring it down to a level that most people can understand. That's smart if you ask me.

I like the way he writes. What does that make me then, Maria, "Short attention span / Thick" ?

Good golly, Miss Molly!

Kel~ asks for discussions on the book, and she's sure gettin' it!

Maria darling, I love you too, but my honest opinion is that you really shouldn't finish the book. *sigh*

And the reason I'm saying this, is cuz you're diving into a book which you already have pre-conceived notions about and to "force" yourself to read it "for us" seems like a supreme sacrifice to me...*sigh*...

Even if you do finish it, I can guarantee that you won't like it, cuz you've already convinced yourself that you wouldn't....so hon, don't waste your time....You don't have to read it for us...not for me, anyway...

Myself, I didn't think I'd like CATCHER IN THE RYE, because it was a book that the guy who killed John Lennon,liked.... but I did read it....and while it's not one of my favorite books...it really wasn't all that bad...*sigh*....but maybe I would have liked it better if I had not had preconceived ideas about it....who knows....

THE DA VINCI CODE, I liked.......and just to kinda balance out your opinion of me, thought I'd share with you that I'm also reading OLIVER TWIST, online (my first online book reading).......I love Charles Dickens and have read both DAVID COPPERFIELD and GREAT EXPECTATIONS several times......have always wanted to read more of his books so I'm taking advantage of the free online books.....it's my intention to read more of his works too....they are all online, so I don't even have to make any purchases or go to the library...*sigh*...

....so do yourself a favor girl....take that book back, and forget about it.....you're not going to get any enjoyment out of it....and isn't that why we read in the first place?

Love,
Ginny

(I hope you like Charles Dickens and his writing style.... [otherwise, I'm gonna feel like Rodney Dangerfield! ] )

Pshaw! Y'all have a bunch of preconceived notions about me! Evy's closest to getting me. I have my standards when it comes to writing. And I don't like cheap tricks.

Thank goodness, the writing got a lot smoother after that first 21 pages. I think he must be one of those authors who has a hard time introducing his characters and subject, but once he gets going it flows without the ridiculous bloopers that stop a careful reader cold.

If I pointed those things out to him, he'd probably get my point really clearly. The deal with Vittoria didn't even need to be in there at all, and it was just stupid that it was.

Anyway, I picked up the book last night because I wanted a break and wanted to be entertained. I have my opinions on writers and writers' styles, and I was really bummed that he was stumbling along so badly, because I thought, Shit, now what am I going to read.

Sorry I'm in my cuss mode this weekend. People misunderstand that. I think cussing's fun.

Anyway, the writing got much smoother, the story got fun and entertaining and it's suited my purpose just fine, thanks. I've got 11 more pages to go to finish up. I just came online to catch the end of an eBay auction. Man, I'm always outbid. Then I saw a nice card from Proxy, and I thought, oh, if he wants to reach out and tell me I'm OK like that, I must be getting clobbered by y'all True Believers over here.

I enjoyed the book. I'm glad I read it. There's even a little symbolic stuff that's somewhat new to me in it.

It is (and I say this as a writer, which is my education and profession, and yeah, I do and have been paid for writing for years -- granted, I used to get paid more when I was working full time ) ... It is mighty, mighty, mighty contrived. But that's OK for his purposes, which are apparently two: to get the ideas out and to do it in an entertaining way.

There IS, as well, a TON of hogwash in there as far as church doctrine, which he just apparently doesn't understand or didn't want to bother getting into in an intelligent way. Nearly everything he says about the Church is either nonsense or somewhat close but no cigar. That's not so entirely OK with me. That's pretty Hack by my standards.

And then there's the really silly notion that women and the sacred feminine enjoyed a far better status until Christianity came along and destroyed it. Now that's out-and-out bull. Jesus did much to raise the status of women, and described God in stories that are IN the Bible in ways that highlight the divine feminine and maternal aspects. Women in the pre-Christian setting he was born into were in worse conditions than they have been since Christianity. And if you look at the countries of the world where politically women are guaranteed rights now in the modern world vs. countries where there's still a much larger struggle for women to attain any rights, it's the countries influenced by Christianity where women have more rights.

Anyway, there are some interesting thoughts and symbols I'd like to get into discussing, but first I'll finish the book and wait for whoever wants to to finish clobbering me for what I said about Dan Brown's writing faux pas.

BTW, Evy, just to explain a little further, although I get that you kind of knew where I was coming from, it's not about literalism, it's about point of view (POV), a technical aspect of writing. Dan Brown chose not to employ a fly-on-the-wall omniscient POV in this novel, but rather to shift POV from one character to another, but always a character involved in the action, and the POV describes the story as that character sees and thinks about it. Check it out -- as you read through you can tell in each section that the story is being told from the perspective of, for instance, the albino in a particular chapter, the professor in another, and other characters ... towards the very very end there's a section described from the bad guy's POV.

But when you choose to use that device for POV, it's a screw up when you describe something the describing character can't know or see. It just is. I'm sure, in theory, Dan Brown would agree. That's why that kind of POV device works with mysteries. You let out, bit by bit, only the knowledge that the given character has, so it keeps the reader in anticipation, knowing that X just learned something, but right now the story is coming from Y so the reader has to wait for X's turn to spill his beans ... so to speak.

The "mount" thing was just rot. There was no need for it to be there. I understand the language joke (Thanks for the word), but it was still just cheap and stupid. Had no need to be there. Vittoria isn't even in the story. Made me . I think beginnings are really important in writing. Makes a difference who's going to hang with you through the story and who's going to say, ew, not my kind of book.

Love,
Maria

Maria...

I tell you not to finish the book cuz you're not gonna like it, and doggone if you don't just go and "prove me wrong!" cuz you not only finished it....but you liked it...How about that???? (My psychology worked )....

....and Maria, I kinda got a little tee hee, out of the "mount" thingy....I thought he threw in a little "naughty" humor, so we'd get a little laugh...(I LOVE to read a book, and break out in a giggle while I'm reading....I've also been known to cry as I read...which means the reader has moved me.....*sigh*)

As far as Vittoria goes, you're right! She certainly wasn't important to the plot (except for the little dab of humor), but I'm guessing she showed up in his prior book, ANGELS AND DEMONS....and anyone who had read that one first, would know who Vittoia was.......I dunno...just speculation, on my part..*sigh*

Glad you read it, anyway....

Love,
Ginny

Ps....Maria....I wasn't really using psychology (sounded good tho, didn't it? ).....

I really thought it would be a waste of your time to finish a book which you found so shitty...*sigh*

If I pick up a book and don't like it...I put it down...for good...No way would I intentionally force "unenjoyment" on myself...*sigh*

Love,
Ginny

W H E W !