Hi all

Despite the provocative title of this thread (and the controversial stature of David Icke), it's intended only to share a small piece of an interview with David that I found especially relevant to the idea of creating our own reality ... especially in the context of a world situation in which we feel ourselves "out of control" and at the mercy of powerful special interests steering the world in a direction that seems negative and ominous.

This interview was conducted last month by Nicole Whitney, founder of "News for the Soul," a website and broadcast network aimed at dissemination positive visions of the future. This is just a short excerpt, a link to the complete interview is at the end. David is describing information he received during a shamanic initiation rite in Brazil, in which he ingested the vision-inducing Ayahuasca plant:

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I remember laying there. What happens when you take Ayahuasca is when you close your eyes, you're in another realm and when you open them , you are back in five sense reality and it's very very interesting to observe the two. . What happens, however, is your eyes don't want to stay open that long. They want to close, so you go back to where you were. But I remember opening my eyes and seeing these strip lights coming on and thinking what the heck is the guy turning the lights on for? It turns out he hadn't. He hadn't touched the strip lights at all. They'd come on all on their own. And the music he was playing - that kept stopping and starting without him doing anything to it., so the re was a tremendous energy in the room.


Over that night and particularly on the 2nd night, where I went into this other state of awareness for like five hours, a voice spoke to me. It was a very clear female voice or a female form is what it took as clear as mine is now in which it talked to me for all these hours about the nature of reality and how we create it. It was pointing out that this world we think is real is actually an illusion generated by our minds and, not least, generated by our belief in what is real.


Basically, what we believe to be real is what we experience as real.

But it's just a figment of our imagination.


And the "Matrix" as I refer to it (and the voice referred to it as the Matrix as well) is actually a gigantic thought form which we got caught in and what's catching us in the web, if you like, is that we think what we're experiencing here - what we're seeing - is real.


And, as it was pointing out, the only difference between the dreams we have in sleep and the dream we're having now is we take this dream to be real. And illusions can only control us when we think they are real. When we know they're illusions , they lose their control over us. And so we're living in a world that is so similar to the world portrayed in the first matrix movie - a world in which we're in a dream world that we think is real.


There was hours and hours of this stuff which I detail in Time Loop (my new book Tales of the Time Loop) but when I came back to England, I started looking into Quantum Physics and psychological research in the mainstream of science, if you like, to see if there was a correlation between what this voice told me in this other state of awareness and we call mainstream science , and I found the two correlated incredibly. The thing about science is that people don't talk to each other, so this area of research establishes this information and over here, somewhere else in another discipline or another place, this area of research comes to this conclusion and decide this information is true. But they don't talk to each other. And so this idea that this world is solid , is real and is the only world that exists is still the prevailing idea that comes out of science, as a whole. Where when you look at the individual areas of research within it, the fact that this world is an illusion is already a provable fact. For instance, the room that is around me now is made up of atoms - this so = called solid wall. Well, when you look at the inside of an atom, it's about as empty as anything you can get. One physicist was pointing out that if you take an atom to be the size of a cathedral , then the particles within it are about the size of a 10 cent piece. The rest is - in this reality - empty space.


Therefore, how can something that is almost entirely not solid, make up this solid wall that's in front of me now? It can't. Our minds do it.


The real point where big pennies started to drop for me was when I read of the research that shows that the only place that this world - the room that I'm in now, the room that you're in now, and the room the listeners (readers) are in - the only place that exists is actually in the brain. It doesn't exist outside of us - it exists inside of us because when information enters the eyes, it's in nothing like the form that we think we're looking at.. First of all, it's upside down. It's two dimensional and it's in a very different form to the world we think we're looking at. What then happens is this information travels through the brain to the visual cortex at the back, The visual cortex is actually where this world actually exists in movie form, if you like. We create it.. And as the information passes through different levels of the brain, from the eyes to the visual cortex, a massive editing process takes place in which, according to at least some research, up to and sometimes more than 50 per cent of the information that enters the eyes is changed. Detail is taken out that is there and detail is put in that isn't there. And what they've found is that this editing process is done on the basis of that person's belief in what is real. So information enters the eye, it goes through the editing caused by the belief, and, by the time it hits the visual cortex in the brain and registers as this world we think is around us, it is a world based on our belief in what is real.


"Once you start to realize that we are what we believe and we experience what we believe, a very simple equation follows: He who controls the belief, controls the experience."


What we have done as the human race is we have conceded our right to create OUR reality and instead we are creating an externally implanted sense of reality. One of the things I did in researching Time Loop was to go and see a stage hypnotist at work and that is precisely the situation that we face. This conspiracy I've been talking about all these years -- at its foundation and without which it couldn't prosper, is the manipulation of our sense of reality, And they do it in precisely the same way that a stage hypnotist does it. The hypnotist gets the subjects on the stage and he implants into their subconscious a belief in what is reall, for example. There's a giraffe in the audience or the woman next to them is naked. That belief then dictates the subjects sense of reality so what happens is that the information enters the eyes of the subject - of course without a giraffe in the audience and with the woman next to them fully clothed. But then it goes through the editing process of the implanted belief by the hypnotist and it then re-arranges reality on the basis of that belief and it puts the giraffe in the room and it takes the clothes off the lady next to them so by the time the information hits the visual cortex and becomes what we think we're looking at, that reality is re-arranged.


And when you think about it, we have a stage hypnotist in the corner of every room called the television. We have stage hypnotists giving our children and young people a version of reality - a belief in what is real in what we laughingly call the education system. Once people, as a whole, take on this implanted belief in what is real, they then confirm to people around them that what they are looking at is actually true. It is real because I can see it too. And then along comes a few people who have gone beyond that and have realized that it's an illusion and they're basically saying to them "hey - there's no giraffe in the room! Honest - there's not!" And they look at such people and they go "you're mad! What do you mean there's no giraffe in the room ? I can see it, mate. Don't be silly!""


And you see this editing of reality all the time. .......... So this whole process of how we create reality is at the very forefront, Nicole, of what I'm doing now because it is the bottom line of how we're controlled and it is the frontline of how we take our power back and literally think this control and conspiracy and prison out of existence and think and believe, if you like, another existence into reality.


NW: So how exactly can we think away something that seems so solid?


DI: Well you don't have to just think it away - you can experience it while being aware of what it is . In other words, you can use the illusion to your benefit instead of letting the illusion use you . Life I've said in my books, we need to live life and not let life live us. What happens for most people is life lives them and they're just basically sheep in a pen or sheep following someone in front instead of them dictating their own reality and their own experience and we don't do it, overwhelmingly, because we believe - because of the information we get from cradle to grave - that we have the power to do it. Therefore, we don't do it.


This is why we are bombarded constantly throughout our experience - our lives here - with negative things about ourselves; about "we're ordinary men and women in the street; we have no power; we can't do this; we can't do that' ... We live in an "I can't" society. It may masquerade as an "I can" society but the "you can" bit is as long as you operate within the parameters of the Matrix - of the illusion - which, as you start challenging the illusion, you suddenly realize it's an "I can't " society. So if you take on the belief, for instance, that you are ordinary and powerless, then you are going to experience ordinary and powerless lives because that's what you're going to create. That's what you are going to experience. What eve the information coming in through the eyes, you are going to edit that to support the belief that you are ordinary and powerless.


This is the real information. And of course the illuminati don't want us to know about their secret societies networks. They don't want us to know about the agenda for the global fascist state - the big brother society .


"Of course they don't want us to know that, but the biggest, biggest BIGGEST thing they don't want us to know is that we are creating our own reality and that we have the power to create a reality that's a paradise or a reality that's a prison or somewhere in between. We are the ones with the power because we are generating the experience and the world we think is around us when it's really within us."


That's the power that will set us free. This is why they have worked so hard to suppress it. They want us to believe that we are ordinary and powerless. They want us to believe that this world is solid and the only world that there is or that there is some god sitting in paradise and - only if you do as you're told according to the rules and regulations in this solid world - do you get into paradise afterwards. All these things are used to disconnect us from the fact that we are generating our own reality and it's an illusion . It's a dream world.


Now, we can generate a nice dream in which we have power over our own destiny and we live in a paradise or we can generate a nightmare in which we are ordinary, powerless and are controlled by the few to a very, very dark agenda which is one we are currently, on the whole, choosing to create. But we don't have to. We can change it any time we want.


One thing this voice in brazil said to me is "there's really only one thing you really need to know..... Infinite love is the only truth and everything else is illusion."

- From an interview by Nicole Whitney, www.newsforthesoul.com. You can listen to the entire interview on RealAudio at www.newsforthesoul.com/icke.htm

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Love,
Greg

Love it!

Hey Greg,

Could you put this in to some context (of our lives?)

To me it sounds like a prolog for one of those info commercials for real estate, day trading, or weight loss training.

I do not understand what the guy is trying to attach to the illusions vs. the reality.

And the mind vs. the smallness of Atoms rubbing together (in proportion to our big feet and the ground) is not a good analogy for (if what he trying to get at) living life with real knowledge from a loving view vs. how much stuff and events one can create in their lives by using peoples vulnerably.

It reeks of snake oil talk. NO BEFF what so ever. IMNOHO

Darwin

Heh, heh, Proxy, one of the advantages of not having a TV is that I have no idea what the infomercials for real estate or snake oil are like! But I don't think he's trying to sell anything except the idea that we're not helpless victims of a reality we are powerless to alter.

The context is just this: David Icke, like many in this age who are growing in awareness of the way we are manipulated by the "powers that be" (including yourself!), has released a lot of information that taken on a mechanical level can be very depressing, even "hopeless-making" considering the vast submerged power of wealth and clandestine manipulation to move society toward a dismal and highly controlled future. This is his way of saying that it is possible to be aware of these forces without being overwhelmed by them ... since the essence of their power to compel is our belief in the futility of resistance.

We need to be aware of the manipulative techniques and intentions of those seeking to mold our collective reality to their own selfish agenda, because without that knowledge we are not even aware that there is a choice ... we just go along with the reality-shaping propaganda that's thrown at us continuously, because it's what "everybody" thinks and believes (e.g., the price of "security" is continuous aggression and sacrifice of liberties) ... but, becoming aware of how this fearful "reality" is created - basically by tricking US into creating it by our belief in its unopposable power - we are free to not buy into it.

Love,
Greg

Very interesting, Greg.....thank you for sharing that with us....

Brought back memories of some of my first studies with AMORC...many years ago...

I guess basically we all know that if we MIND it MATTTERS...

Not an easy thing always remember tho....

I needed a reminder...thanks again,

Love,
Ginny

hello

if we MIND it MATTTERS...
Not an easy thing always remember tho....

no, right there Rainbow.I was wondering if this would answer something for me..It came close, but didnt quite explain why everytime I have negative, it gets returned with a Positive...anyway no point in complaining about that is there! as it's often the other way round also.Must be the intention behind the actions.

Thanks Greg for sharing!
CD

Ayahuasca Gosh..who wouldn't have ".. delirious hallucinations and Dreams." leaving this Reality. A Spiritual Vacation.. to Refresh the Soul and Revive Spirit.

Thanks.. Greg for sharing this 'controversial' piece of Truth. Quite synchronistic with my recent writings. I've not experienced the Energies of ayawáskha from Quechua this word really resonates ... must be a Trace of a Quechauan Life Expression But as you Know...there are many ways to enter Dimensional Realms. I first made this Trip when I had a NDE at 15. And again in 1986 during a counseling 'Therapy' session.. that was in Truth.. a Soul Regression.

The Psychologist who conducted the regression got more than he bargained for. Oddly.. I'm just Now.. seeing the full implication of the experience. I was 42 and ready to Embrace the Inner Search of the Spiritual Y's. The NDE served to cloud my Vision.. shroud my Intuitive Gifts.. enabling me to actually Live in a Reality Whirled Illusion of Matter. There were many 'Thinning of the Veil' moments.. when the Fog would lift and I would do something really Psychic and blow everyone away. My challenge was maintaining the delicate Balance between Reality and Spirituality Integrity.

Neither of us were prepared for what happened. Instantly I went into a deep Trance... going Out of Body.. traveling through the White Light Tunnel.. which was completely different from the NDE. I saw and spoke with my Mom and Dad.. Dad died the year before.

I have no idea how long I was gone.. I Know I did not want to return. When I did... the psychologist was in a state of Panic. He tried to hide it.. but the Silver Dollar Eyes.. and beads of sweat on his brow told the Truth.. although I didn't Reality realize this until many years later.

I was fully charged with a Spiritual Bolt of Light. He stuttered and stammered a question.. and me... not being fully cognizant of what he asked.. started Ram~Bulling this Realization that I was never a Child.
I Knew what that meant in my Knowing.. but I could not explain it beyond that simple statement. And he did not pursue it. The session ended quickly.. and as I recall.. it was never discussed or mentioned again. Not long afterwards I ended the counseling sessions. I was freshly arrogant and suggested he contact me if he decided to explore his Spirituality. Blame it on my Aries Moon.

True to Cliches.. he completely caught me off guard and Kissed me just as I turned to walk out the door. Can you believe it!

As I write this I see it's the Innocence of the Child who incarnates a Life experiencing complete separation from Source Knowing which is the Inner Resonance of Love I've done Life Expressions that way.. but this One Presently.. serves a completely different purpose.

It's late.. my eyes are slammin'.. I'll post my recent writings on the subject of Realities Structuring tomorrow.

Follow Your Heart
Pat

Hey Greg

Thanks for sharing this... David Ike is certainly one to share controversial truths. One's that more and more of us are beginning to embrace... which gives me hope. When I first began to see and understand it for myself it seemed that very few others saw it (on 9/11/01). Now I see the truths trying to come out and my own parents are beginning to become very angry about these events in the world (and are feeling hopeless like there is nothing that they can do about it). That's where I was, and how I felt then. Now I don't feel as hopeless because I see many breaking away from this world of illusion that the powers that be have been creating for us. The more of us that become aware (and awake), means the less of us they can control.

I love the last statment the most...

Infinite Love is the only truth and everything else is illusion

cool post, Greg - thanks for sharing

Having been on a shamanistic journey myself, (using aya, actually) I can relate somewhat to what he's speaking of, however, I dare say he needs to bring it up a notch or two By saying what he is saying, in a sense, he could be FURTHERING the illusion, by creating fear in those who don't know of what he's speaking... in other words, "Whaddya mean, this is all an illusion? You mean, this isn't real? oh man, I'm freaked!"

While on my journey, I experienced the web first-hand, saw it connecting the bones and tendons of my fingers, a beautiful purplish-silvery light, and heard birds where none existed An altered state, perhaps... a different DIMENSION, quite likely, but were my feet planted on Mother Earth? MOST DEFINITELY. In fact, I dare say I felt more strongly connected to the Earth when I came 'back down'... or was it 'back up'? Hard to say...

whew...and now I'm rambling... don't even know what I mean by what I said, but just felt like sayin' it.

Tara

PS... and of course, Love Rules, man

Thank you for sharing this, Greg. I must admit that the catchy title caught my eye right away!

Listens,

I took me the longest time to find this thread where I got my latest signature from (nothing came up on my search). I saw it right before changing my signature (at first I had one about dancing then saw this and changed it again), but now for the life of me don't know how since the last post on it was Divina in April of 04! I'm stumped!?! I finally found it by searching through Anessene's posts because I remembered that she had posted on it (I forgot I had).

Thanks.

I have the book called "infinite love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion" and I was fascinated by this experience talked about on this thread.

Wow Listens,

I guess the book is written by David Icke... I didn't even know that. Like I said, I had seen the thread about a month or so ago and remembered how much I resonated with that saying and decided to use it as my signature. Meanwhile it's been almost 4 years since this was initially posted. Too and kinda magical !

So, how did you like the book? Maybe I should get it. We have 1 of David's books that my husband loaned to a friend, and it hasn't been returned.

Veneo,

I love David's writing as it resonates very much with me and stuff I already feel. I've decided to take a break from the heavy conspiracy side of things now though. I'm prone to depression.

I do think it is very possible that as David Icke got too close to the truth, he may have been fed bits of misinformation, the greatest weapon the "other side" could use without turning him into a martyr. They could have fed him misinformation to make him less credible to the majority.

Perhaps the ones doing it weren't always aware they were doing it; they may have been manipulated to do so.
For example, I am very fond of his friend Credo Mutwa, he is a very fascinating and likeable man. It is difficult to imagine he is not sincere. However, Credo mentioned a time when he was abducted by greys, they did something painful to his nose he doesn't understand.......What if they implanted him with a chip to create false memories, mind control or something like it?

The interview can be seen on Youtube under the title "Credo Mutwa reveals the Reptilian Agenda". It's a very long interview- over 3 hours or so. Incredibly fascinating And possible the strangest/ scariest one might ever see too!

I just think I'm going to be more careful to "tune in" to things which are more positive from now on.

Hi Listens,

I hear ya on all that you say here.

You never did answer though if the book was by David and if you liked it. From the title and what I guess it is about due to the title and this bit of interview that Greg shared, it sounds not as out there and scary as some of his other stuff. Is my assumption right?

~Kel