#145249 - 05/06/04 06:32 PM
My Love... part II
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Lovers Garden has invited me in again for a poem or two. Lately I've been needing to express myself and this garden is where I plant the seeds of my love...
Love has changed its face as sure as the moon changes phases Certain it will change again And I'm willing to do the same
No longer fear it, I welcome change! Yet looking back I cry over yesterday Today, I am, what I was not then What I've become tomorrow will take away
What a ride, this constant change Friends come and go but one thing remains My love deep inside of many faces ready to burst out and run the races
And for as long as I know how to recognize it No matter what it looks like, I will know As surely as the expected tidal waves Love will save the day.
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#145250 - 05/11/04 09:32 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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Love Lit into my Heart
A warm surging circulation
A flame burst into a smile
Do you know
how that feels?
My smile of Love
Touched every Heart I met
Smiles spread around me
as sure as Sun beams
Reach out to the
furthest shadow
And
My step was Love
My touch
My words
My giving
All Love
I was Love
And Believed
The Sun
could fill my Heart forever
And Now
was felt
the very ends of Eternity
And All
that was
Was All that should Ever Be
Until
The Moon
whispered
Suspician
Jealousy
Betrayal
Fear of the Darkness
I denied
I clung
I grasped
Claiming the Sun
as my Own
As if
It could ever
Really be
a thing to Have
to Hold
For Love
as a Blessing
as a Smile
as a Song
is Gifted
is Cherished
And spreads its Smile
on its way to
EveryWhere
Remaining
in Hearts
Brave
and Open.
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#145251 - 05/12/04 06:28 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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What better time for Love To spread its wings
For the world is lost the world, it is sinking
What better place for Love to sprinkle its chrystalyn droplets
For the earth is in pain disease invading the planet
What better reason for Love to be heard in song
For the heart of humans have hardened like a stone
What better time for Love to show its face
For our eyes have cried to long from disgrace
What better moment for Love to come and stay
For I could use it now to get thru this day...
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#145253 - 05/16/04 09:11 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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Thank you Rachel.
And you, too, Lisa. Beautiful.
Love,
 Greg
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#145254 - 05/21/04 09:36 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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 , Greg. Is there Heart in the World? Can it be found? Disease, death, abuse Surrounding Drowning All around. Are there still star-lights in Your Eyes? Heaven in Your breath? Are Your words a gift of Truth? Love flowing from Your chest? And do You feel a Wonder in the small center of it All The place where Love was created Long before the Fall This Heart exists there Many, many more Legions of Lovers Heaving, enthralled with Sacred Wonder with dim Light pulsing through a dimness of Hope Breathe it in Exhale Flow the language Asail Compressed so protectively in what it fears to give Dormant and waiting for a time it may live, freely openly in faith and trust Again..... in a World For the Giving To the Givers ~ No end.
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#145255 - 05/22/04 02:16 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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There IS heart in the world Lisa where every newborn's little fingers reach out where a passerby drops a dollar in the frail hand of the homeless where a teen gives his seat to the elderly woman There IS heart in the world Lisa where a friend forgives another where a stranger says goodmorning and you know he means it where a couple adopts a child to give it the home he wouldn't have had where many will go out of their way to help someone in despair there IS heart in the world Lisa where a waitress smiles while pouring coffee where a lover brings flowers after his long hard day where children peacefully play there IS heart in the world Lisa where doctors volunteer their skills where teachers give that extra time to help their students succeed where people gather to support those less fortunate those in need where one man risk his life to save another there IS heart in the world Lisa and where there is but one man who has it God will spear this planets doom that One can be you or me or anyone it takes One with heart to save the world...
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#145257 - 05/27/04 10:08 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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Thank you for your beautiful and thoughtful words, Rachel. Yes, if you drop out of the media's black influence.....long enough to tune into what's real and surrounding you..... you can feel it There.  ~Lisa thanks too, Mom
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#145258 - 06/09/04 02:18 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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Part I, Part II, Do Part III with glee, But there's more, Part IV, Needing to turn side ways to get out the door, Part V, All about staying alive, Along comes part VI, I'm in such a fix! Will I ever finish Part VII, May have to quit and go to heaven, It's getting late in Part VIII, Better get a move on my fate, Whew! Part IX, Finished just in time, Ops! Part X, Got to do it all over again
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#145259 - 06/11/04 10:04 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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There is Beauty Held intimately for my very Own No one else may know the colors of emotion that spoon this Heart Within Pinks and tender Blues... the softest Green Love ever grew Darling, a hidden world of feelings I have felt only for You Such Beauty doesn't fade with the worried air of Time, held protected and new, right Here Our Love Resides That tender first Impression I hold forever Dear Alongside Care that drives One to Giving Even when Darkness Overwhelms The Dreams Two had wandered The Wilderness Wild Hearts had Roamed.
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#145260 - 08/15/04 09:50 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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Just some words to share on this Leo Moon Sunday. This kiss of Trust Thy gift to me Forlorn of the Wiser We need not Be. "Open Up" he whispered dear Never had I felt Words gift Life Trembling the moment Tucked Fear and Shame Out of Feeling Away from Sight Hesitant only From nudity clothed A lifetime of layers I dare not unfold "Open Up" Promise of Sun streaming from his eyes All I reflected Shone brilliant wandering those skies Without thought of storm Of breaking Or shattering Given in Faith Such innocence never presumes to ForeSee Gives each Heart a clean slate and always a Chance to Be Trust in Love cares not if vanquished by Fate Shall never be broken by cruelty or hate Yet Opens Forever again As a bloom Yet to know the Sun A clean slate of its Own Heart Its Journey forever UnDone.
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#145261 - 08/15/04 01:15 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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That's beautiful, Lisa.  Love,  Greg
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#145262 - 08/15/04 09:47 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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Thanks, Gregory
I have been thinking a lot of this lately. A whole Spiral could be composed on the subject I suppose.
It seems in this world there are those who have a difficult time opening up.....until trust has been formed.....or what One believes is the moment of Trust anyway. And there are Others who Trust first and will believe in the other person first unless proven otherwise.
It's the Ultimate Gift really......although in this world it seems to have many misperceptions.
Trust is mistaken for Gullibility when they are two very different things.
Gullibility is to charge head on into something without Knowing,
whereas Trust is giving of One's Own Heart, even in Knowing.
Knowing of the Hurt it could bring......of the dissappointment One may feel. Yet still believing in the goodness that One instinctively Knows exists. The Potential.
Let's see.....examples........well, I have a friend who everyone always feels the need to warn me against. She's a whore......she's a this or that......I do not listen to what other people tell me about her.
She's always been kind hearted and generous with me (Leo Lady).......That's the person I know and have Faith in. No one on this Earth could convince me otherwise.
I will have Faith in her goodness forever..........not because I am gullible, but because I Believe in her.
For I Know very much that she has a Good Heart.......that's all that matters to me.
Nothing anyone else says could change that for me.
If one day she proves me wrong.......hurts me.......I'll still know that she was moved to do so because of insecurity....because of falling into Human enticements she has no strong Will over.
But for now.......she gives of her heart and I give mine and I have a beautiful friendship I wouldn't know otherwise.
Trust could possibly be the most beautiful gift someone could give someone else. It is saying "I believe in You."
Perhaps when it may seem that no one else on this Earth could do so. IT's a chance. Both ways a very immense chance........but what is life without belief? What kind of person could One be without striving to emulate Hope?
What point is there in living a life without Faith?
Having a child........thinking of how one hopes to present themself in order for the child to have the innocence of believing in the world is a powerful inspiration.
Children........when they grow........they search hypocrisy......they know instinctively by your actions.....your energy.....
I don't know........but I'm thinking the greatest thing I could gift my child is an expample of Trust.
Many kisses and bandaids........for it isn't the easy Path. But it is a gift of Life that is sorely in need in this World.
 Lisa
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#145263 - 08/16/04 10:17 PM
Re: My Love... part II
[Re: BlueDove]
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Yes, it's true, isn't it? It is hard to trust in today's world, and we're constantly being warned not to trust, not to be gullible, keep our guard up.  And it's hard to fault that advice on a practical level, with the visible evidence of rising crime and corruption all around, scam artists nearly everywhere you look, the decay of business ethics to the point where greed and fraud are virtually the norm ... It could be argued that those of us who trust are fools! And yet, trust is the basis of all human society. Civilization could not even function if trust were not the rule and broken trust the exception. To the extent that we come to believe that mistrust should be our "normal" attitude toward others, to be replaced only after trustworthiness is proven, to that extent we have regressed as a society. When trust is no longer the basis for human interaction, force and fear are its only replacements. We can only arm ourselves in defense against others, or "get them before they get us." Sadly, that attitude is only too prevalent in the world today. And that is a self-reinforcing downward spiral: it's only natural to mistrust those who mistrust us, and vice-versa. So how do we trust, especially when we've had the experience of seeing our trust backfire? I think your example was a beautiful one ... we simply choose to trust, based on our own experience, unless and until we are shown that the object of our trust does not deserve it. Of course that does not mean leaving ourselves wide open to devastation, or placing our trust where intuition and common sense dictate otherwise. But we CAN choose trust rather than mistrust as our "normal" attitude toward others, and in my experience we will more often than not get what we expect.  I think I told this story here on the forums years ago, but it bears re-telling. When I ran a Kung-Fu and T'ai Chi school years ago, we rented a large old two-story building. I lived on the ground floor, as did several of my senior students, and the entire second floor was an open practice studio. We had a lounge set up in one corner of the studio, with chairs and a sofa, a stereo, bookshelves stocked with volumes on philosophy and martial arts, and a display of martial arts practice weapons that we used for training, along with some fairly expensive swords and other paraphernalia acquired for collection and display. The upstairs studio had its own separate entrance from the outside, and it was never locked. The school was in a small, friendly town, and it simply never occurred to me to lock it. Over a period of time, some of the students began to worry about that, especially as our collection of books and display weapons grew, and suggested that we begin locking the studio. I didn't think it was necessary, and said so, but since the students were financially supporting the school I acquiesced to their wishes. So, several students went out a bought a lock (the door didn't even have one!) and installed it. And guess what happened? Yep, that very night, after nearly two years of having no trouble whatsoever, someone broke the lock and robbed the studio!! Without a word, the students removed the lock ... we never spoke of it again, and we never had another speck of trouble! That was a huge practical lesson to me that I've never forgotten. We DO attract what we fear, and the lack of trust (like the lack of love) is a manifestation of fear. Firesong playfully accuses me of having "a pathological sense of goodwill"  ... and, yes, there have been occasions where that's come back to bite me. But those occasions are by far the exception rather than the rule, which says to me that trust should be the rule rather than the exception. Love, trust, compassion, goodwill ... all these qualities require accepting a certain degree of vulnerability. But in my experience that vulnerability brings far greater rewards than penalties, and without it life can become a pretty shabby experience.  Love,  Greg
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#145264 - 08/22/04 11:36 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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That's an amazing story, Greg.
That could both be a lesson on how we attract what we fear and also a lesson in clinging to the material things in life.
It seems like as soon as those material possessions became a concern and something to be prized and held onto is when the reminder of what's truly important and to be valued came.
Instant Karma.
I love your thoughts on Trust and agree very much.
Like you said.....it doesn't mean 'leaving ourselves wide open to devistation'. I believe most of us have good instincts when it comes to people. Most often if we listen right away.....we know instinctively if we should trust or not.
(sometimes when I first meet someone I get a flash of the Lost in Space Robot's slinky arms jerking about wildly ---"DANGER< DANGER, WILL!"  )
The first impression....if heeded.....will protect you from a lot of needless hurt.
But if you have good instincts about someone.....that they are goodhearted.....judgement should come from their actions and I believe it's important to give that person a chance to shine their potential. And of course if their actions disappoint, then it is only self-protection to withdraw trust at that point.
I wish I could express these thoughts better, but the little guy is needing me at the moment, so perhaps later.
It's challenging these days to form a thought, let alone follow it through.
 ~ Lisa
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#145266 - 09/01/04 12:53 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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Hi all, I was drawn into reading this thread - very interesting and insightful. yep - that's my dad, the pathological pursuant of believing in the goodwill of humanity. Well, I wouldn;t say he's pathological, but I can remember even from a very young age, Dad always insistenly carried this belief - that what you think holds true, without ever doubting for a second otherwise. Thoughts turn into things. And yes, there is that wonderfully poignant life-lesson story about the Kung-fu school ( I always get a kick out of hearing about that time - imagine a bunch a hippies settling down in rural Louisiana in the seventies to teach Kung-fu, metaphysics, and the art of picking mushrooms!) - But, it leads me to bring up one of my Dad's other major philosophies he lives by - which is balance. Which is what I wanted to bring up here. He taught me that the universe is existing on a delicate balance of energy - yin/yang, good/evil, masculine/feminine, dark/light, sun/moon and so on and so on. When a person's own inner energies are afflicted or out of balance - is when we attract another extreme out of out balance energy to complete a missing dynamic. It's something I'm looking into now, in regards to experiencing a more whole, full-filling relationship, instead of always seeking to satisfy an unconscious desire to recreate this dynamic. Weather is the masculine side (sun archetype) or feminine side (moon archetype) of yourself that attracts itself to you, when it's not unified within you - you play the role of the opposite and can get into some very messed up behavior. Marion Woodman, the Jungian analyst, has written a lot about this and says that key to satisfying our hunger for wholeness on both an inner and outer level - is by focusing on this 'inner marriage' of the masculine and feminine principles - which, of course, relates to everything in humanity. From how we relate to others in our various dealings, our success in life, how others treat us, and the energy that we attract. So, yes, it is balance that we must live by. Sometimes I think as much as my Dad believes in the good, positive side of human affairs - he is sometimes woken up by it's shadow side, which won;t be ingnored. A reminder that we also have a shadow side, and a darkness within our light. But if we come to understand how it manifests within ourselves, and balance the energies - then we won't attract such extreme examples of it, like really ugly, gross negative stuff. So, that said, I wanted to leave a short poem I wrote about this (after therapy last week!), since I read some beautiful poems here. It's pretty bad, but, I think it's safe to share it anyway. The beauty in motion is the spirit of her dance Calm and smooth, expressing that wildness inside Endlessly searching, to ponder on life's mysteries, the cosmic forces that create us. The piercing power of the sun inspires awe, reflecting her brightness is the sultry, compelliing, hidden glow of the moon. Nature embraces her, as a gentle, knowing sage delivers the nectar for her nourishment. Tending to the seeds to blossom and awake! In divine unification of yin and yang, she steps into the endlessly flowing river of spiraling passing moments, calling out to her to love and create. Love, Layla Isis
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#145268 - 09/02/04 10:02 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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That is really quite beautiful, Layla. I believe I understand what you mean......how you can forever seek qualities in others that you haven't identified yet within yourself. What you may believe is your opposite may be that part of yourself you keep subdued but wish to explore and express. Until you find it and open that part of yourself you are projecting your own needs and expectations on others. Sometimes if you are aware of this, such a relationship may help you grow and balance into a better person. Otherwise, you go on searching endlessly for something you'll only find within. Is that it? Your Dad is very much loved here.....You are very blessed to have him, and it appears so is he. There you are, Natalie. Write any poems lately?  Lisa
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#145269 - 09/02/04 10:24 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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Dear Rachel and Lisa,
I have read this thread several times and thank you for your beautiful expression.
Rachel: Do you think this True Love thread is a key to your Linda dream?
Isis: Pat was talking about "IS IS" on her H.O.M.E. thread in Creating...
Gregory said: "Love, trust, compassion, goodwill ... all these qualities require accepting a certain degree of vulnerability. But in my experience that vulnerability brings far greater rewards than penalties, and without it life can become a pretty shabby experience." Yes, because defensiveness is a form of fear and defenselessness is a state in which fear does not obstruct Love. Defenselessness is the true courage to reject fear. Love,
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#145270 - 09/03/04 02:31 PM
Re: My Love... part II
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Thank you Lisa, Yes, that is a more articulate and specific way of expressing what I was saying about attracting the types of people who possess qualities you haven't identified yet within yourself. I guess, as you say, the key is to continually strive to become more and more aware, bringing what's in the subconscious into the conscious, which is the definition of transformation. But, do you ever find yourself on a path, which you consciously understand is maybe the wrong choice, recognizing the fact that there are subconscious forces at work, which are drawing you into something for the purpose of growth, but maybe at the expense of some serious pain and conflict? I find that I am usually focused on the internal, transfixed on the inner, deep waters of transformation (all my intense eight house concentration of energy) - though, my heightened internal awareness doesn't seem to prevent me from making the wrong choices sometimes. I guess after enough of these experiences, we finally learn and realize we don;t need these darker, more destructive pursuits that are so intoxicating at times. Couldn't we just skip over this process? Love, Layla Isis. P.S. Yes, I am very lucky to have my dad!
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#145271 - 09/03/04 08:11 PM
Re: My Love... part II
[Re: Isis]
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And I am very lucky to have my Layla Isis! That was a beautiful poem, sweetie, and very insightful. Nope, can't skip the learning process  even when it's painful.  But the important thing to remember is that it is the learning, not the pain, that is inevitable. (Which is really what you said more poetically!) Sometime life has to hit you upside the head to call your attention to what needs to be learned, but once you know that, you have the option of choosing your own classroom to learn the lesson, rather than waiting for it to clobber you again! Have you read The Chemical Wedding by Christian Rosenkreutz? If not I'll try to dig up a copy to send to you ... it's one of the major alchemical manuscripts from the 14th century, and it's about spiritual transformation through that internal union of the masculine and feminine that the Jungians talk about (Jung drew a lot of his insights from alchemy). Right up your alley, I think! Love,  Dad
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#145272 - 09/04/04 01:04 AM
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I like that analogy of choosing your own classroom, Dad. I'll work with that...  Sounds much better than being clobered upside the head with your lessons. Yes, that book does sound like it's right up my alley!! birthday's coming up...hint, hint. What more does an Eighth house Virgo want for her birthday than a deep book about spiritual transformation and alchemy? But, first - your birthday next week! Why do Virgos always tend to be born in the same families - I've seen this a lot, actually, where there are loads of Virgos in one family - they like to travel in packs! yet, they are somehow the elusive hermit, as well. Curious. Lots of love  , Layla
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#145273 - 09/04/04 09:41 AM
Re: My Love... part II
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Oh, you mean the old show-business gypsy hermit syndrome?  Gee, what's curious about that? Actually, I think that's more an expression of the combination of Virgo with strong Pluto/Scorpio influences, which is a characteristic of our particular Virgo-dominated family. Grandmama had Scorpio Moon trining Cancer Pluto in mutual reception (!) and all three of us have underworld Pluto in the traveling 9th house! Yeah, shared family influences are really fascinating.  Love,  Dad
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