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#145910 - 06/25/04 09:08 PM
I saw Moores movie tonight!
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....and I am still real-ing. YOU MUST ALL GO SEE THIS!!!!!!!! The review on the other thread here gives a good idea of what it's like....but not only is seeing believing....it cannot be explained thru the written word...it must be experienced. Mark and I went to the 5:00 show....and when we got there...not only was the 5:00 show sold out...so were the 7:15 and 9:30 shows.... We had some divine intervention tho'  because as we left planning on trying again monday night...there was a nice lady outside passing out political flyers....and I stopped to see what she had...and mentioned that the film was sold out for the next 3 shows...and she pulled 2 tickets out of her pocket given to her by a Prof at Western Michigan U....and so even tho Mark and I could not sit together...we still saw the film. It's been years since I would pay to see the same movie more than once...but I must...MUST go again.... you all MUST see this film asap!!!! and tell everyone! one thing I found particulary moving is when Moore covered the 9/11 attack part of this whole mess....when it came 'time' for the attack...rather than utilizing the footage of the planes hitting the buildings...as many would have done....he instead went to a black screen....and let just the sounds of the day run.....it was very moving....because none of us need film footage to remember what that looked like....and he left it to our collective memories....you could have heard pin drop in that room....and I know what we were all thinking and remembering....it was very effective.... oh and remember the military records that GW finally released under pressure???? and by the time we saw them they had been edited??? hahaha...well Moore already had them....we got them UN edited tonight.... Wonder why GW refused his physical to be able to fly in the Guard???? At that point...Eric Claptons song 'cocaine' played just enough of the music for us all to know WHY he did not want his physical.... We have all heard all sorts of speculation of the money trail....well Moore connects the dots.....no wonder the Hill wanted to shut this film down..... oh man...I can't even describe it all.... you guys have to see this....please go....please.....!!! Love, Dani
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#145911 - 06/25/04 09:56 PM
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Thanks for the preview, Dani.  We won't get to see it 'til Sunday, I can hardly wait! Love,  Greg
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#145912 - 06/25/04 10:17 PM
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Greg.....my head is still just tumbling over and over it....
There won't be anything there that suprises you....but the way he puts it all together....wow....I'm so glad you're going to see it....let me know what you think!
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#145913 - 06/26/04 01:31 AM
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Dani....I'm very anxious to see it.... Glad you got to, and hope you get to see it again.... Bless Michael's heart..... It's great that the people finally have something to see and be aware of, besides all that force fed BS coming from the TV news...ESPECIALLY FOX... I hope a million, zillion people get to see it, and have their eyes opened....and that Bush is as nervous as your long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs... Love, Ginny
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#145914 - 06/26/04 10:55 AM
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One commentary on Moore's film that appeared this morning: Quote:
Thank You, Michael Moore By William Rivers Pitt Jun 26, 2004, 10:48
"The light at the end of the tunnel could be the bulb in a film projector."
- Jeanette Castillo
Screens in Bartlett, Chattanooga, Jackson, Knoxville and Memphis, Tennessee will be showing it. Screens in Layton and West Jordan, Utah will be showing it. If you find yourself in Leawood, Merriam, Shawnee or Wichita, Kansas, you can see it. The same goes for Centerville, Fairfax and Abington, Virginia. If you happen to be in Akron, Bexley, Dublin or Elyria, Ohio, you're all set. Hoover, Montgomery and Mobile, Alabama will not be left out.
Laramie, Wyoming? It's there. Bozeman, Montana? Indeed. Should you call home Grand Island, Lincoln or Omaha, Nebraska, you have not been forgotten. The largest mall in the country, the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota, will have it in its theater. If you are a soldier at Camp Lejune or Fort Bragg, about to be shipped to Iraq, you can see it in nearby Fayetteville, North Carolina.
These towns, large and small, along with towns large and small from sea to shining sea and straight through the American heartland, will begin screening Michael Moore's documentary, 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' beginning at 12:01a.m. Friday morning, the 25th of June, 2004. For the majority of people who will see this movie, in those towns large and small, the experience will be nothing short of a mind-bomb.
The Who once sang about how the hypnotized never lie, but as we have seen, people hypnotized by television and deliberately enforced fear can certainly support a war, and a President, which are fundamentally at odds with basic American decency. In fact, people hypnotized by television and deliberately enforced fear will feed themselves into the meat grinder with "God Bless America" on their lips.
Michael Moore's film will snap that hypnosis, but good. Those Americans who believed what their President told them because they saw it on the TV will, after less than two hours in their local theater, look at both their television and their President with doubt and loathing when they walk from the darkness into the bright light of day. There are millions of Americans who believed what they were told - about 9/11, about Iraq, about George W. Bush himself - who will come into that bright light with the realization that they have been lied to.
Speaking personally, none of the data in this film surprised me. Having spent every day of the last three years working to expose as many Americans as possible to the truth of the man they call President, Mr. Moore was unlikely to explode any shells across my bow. The connections between Bush, the Saudis, the Carlyle Group and the 9/11 attacks were there. The connections between Cheney and Halliburton were there. The connections between Enron, Unocal, natural gas pipelines, the war in Afghanistan and a little-known country called Turkmenistan were there. I enjoyed the fact that Moore showed off unredacted copies of Bush's military service record, allowing us to see the parts of those documents which had been blacked out. I found no fact, no assertion in this film to question or doubt. I have done my homework, and as was made painfully clear, Michael Moore did his.
Most Americans don't know about this stuff, and seeing it fully documented and meticulously researched on the big screen will be, to say the least, revelatory. Yes, Virginia, there are billions of dollars to be made off this Iraq war for Bush's friends. The second door on the left is the recruiting office. Sign on the line that is dotted, and be the first kid on your block to die for the benefit of Carlyle's stock options. Be sure to save your pennies beforehand, however, because the Army will dock your pay for the days you are dead. It's policy, you see.
Mr. Moore put two daggers into me with this film, the first of which had to do with American soldiers. Trooper after trooper spoke frankly for Moore's camera, condemning both the war and the people who thrust them into it. Several scenes graphically explained what happens to a soldier's body when it is caught in an explosion. The result is ruinous, and the cries of the wounded and the dying will ring in my ears forever.
The most wrenching scenes in the film center around a woman named Lila, who loves her country, loves her flag, and above all loves her children whom she actively persuaded to join the armed services. We learn that Lila has a son in Iraq, and because of that, she despises those protesting the invasion. We find out later that her son was killed in Karbala on April 2nd, when his Blackhawk helicopter was shot down. We watch her read her son's last letter home, in which he rages against Bush and the war. We last see Lila standing at the gates of the White House, tears boiling from her eyes, as she discovers her true enemy, the one who took her baby from her.
The other dagger Moore put into me came during his montage of the media coverage of the war. Journalist after journalist is shown rhapsodizing Bush, his administration and the war. Each and every one of them carried forth that which we now know to be bald-faced lies: That Iraq had WMDs, that Iraq was a threat, that we had to go, and that everything is fine. It was a slideshow of the nonsense Americans have been spoon-fed for far too long.
If you doubt this, Sidney Blumenthal's aggressive and effective actual journalism, as found in his most recent report titled 'Reality is Unraveling for Bush,' should help you along. "Most of the media was on the bandwagon or intimidated," writes Blumenthal. "Cheney himself called the president of the corporation that owned one of the networks to complain about an errant commentator. Political aides directed by Karl Rove ceaselessly called editors and producers with veiled threats about access that was not granted in any case. The press would not bite the hand that would not feed it."
With a single stroke, Michael Moore has undone three years of poor, slanted, biased, factually bereft, compromised television journalism. This, in the end, is the final greatness of 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' Not only will Americans get a sense of the depth of the deception they have endured, but 'journalists' all across the country will be forced to endure the humiliation they so richly deserve.
I was privileged to see this film in the company of three groups - Military Families Speak Out, September 11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows and Veterans for Peace - which have stood against this disastrous war from day one. Many in the theater had family in Iraq, or had lost family in Iraq, or had lost family on 9/11 and seen their beloved dead used as an excuse for unwarranted war, and there was not a dry eye in the house.
'Fahrenheit 9/11' is not a victory for anyone. We the People should have known better, We the People should have been given the facts before sending 851 of our children to die. We the People have been betrayed, by our leaders and by a media that profited, and profits still, from the daily sale of lies. This film drove that horrid fact home with a mallet, and it hurt.
I was reminded, as I filed out with this company of heroes, of a portion of Shakespeare's rendition of Henry's speech before Agincourt:
He that outlives this day and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say, 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say, 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Many of us were not hypnotized. Millions of us took to the streets in this country and around the world, to try and stop this madness before it was unleashed. The people in that theater with me had done this, had never stopped doing this, though their President and their media named them traitor. They were right. They were right. They were right.
Michael Moore has unleashed a wolf within Mr. Bush's fences. There is no getting around it. Perhaps, now that it is far too late, we as a nation will wake up. On the day of that awakening, those of us who never stopped standing, never stopped marching, learned to live without sleep, learned to live in a nation that scorned truth for televised fantasy, those patriots I was with tonight in that theater can pause for breath. We can sit upon the grass on a bright day, strip our sleeves, and show our scars.
© Copyright 2004 by TruthOut.org http://truthout.org/ Article on AxisofLogic.com
Love,
Greg
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#145915 - 06/26/04 11:47 AM
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Hi Dani, We went to see the movie last night as well, we were there an hour before the show and the line up was long, it took at least 20 min to get our tickets, strangely it wasn't sold out though there was a lot of people just the same. What I also found strange is that there was absolutely no poster or announcement, I had to go on the internet to find out which theatre near us was playing it. And then again it was in one showroom. There were three theatres playing "the terminal" two more playing "Harry Pot" two others, who knows what those movies are about... Anyway, we also enjoyed it tremendously, I really enjoy Moore's special talent in documentary film, he is very good. Aside from the content which will grab just about anyone who sees the movie, I really appreciated his film making and YES I also found it was truly appropriate the way he blacked out the part of the Towers falling. I mean we've seen it so often it is engraved in our minds, and although I was staring at a empty dark screen, I was seeing it all again in my mind's eye. He has such a sense of humor, the way he edits his scenes and all. But overall, I left the theatre, we both left the theatre saddened. A must see!
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#145917 - 06/28/04 08:16 AM
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Glad you got to see it too, Rachel..... It's not playing in my little town yet (if it does, at all)...I may have to go out of town to see it.....but see it, I will. Love, Rainbow
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#145919 - 06/28/04 11:35 PM
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I no longer believe in a terror threat of any kind....except the one that comes from within. I am amazed at how long this is taking me to digest.... but I'd be willing to bet that we won't have any elections at all this November.... They will stop them from happening at all....just to 'keep us safe' I have not mentioned it to anyone...but Joannes boyfriend starts his basic training in September.... it's been one of those many things I have been trying to deal with in the last few months....now I know I can get Joanne to go see it....but what do I do about Luke?....I am still thinking about it. And praying about it.....he thinks he will be going to defend our country....not to enhance stock options for the Carlyle Group. Hogtieing him is crossing my mind......the words conscientious objector come to mind as well.... I hated the idea to begin with....now I am flat out alarmed....I don't care for this boys chart right about then either...and he actually thinks he will do his basic and then go to college like they 'promised' Not with all that money to be made he won't.... My nephew Brandon is back from his 2nd turn in Iraq with time in Kuwait.....they told him he gets 3 months....and 10 days of it with his family....then he goes back again.....they extended his tour..... He thought he was getting money for college...it's been 3 years now since his basic....and he has not so much as applied to any school.... Oh yeah...this movie hits really close to home for me.... I imagine we will wait a while for Greg to tell us how it hit him....it takes a few days to digest it all... Ginny....you will have to search for where it is playing...ABC...NBC...and CBS have all been threatened to lose their access to the White House if they advertise it....it's real hush hush.... Does Manistee have theatres????I can't remember....you will have to search for it.... It beat all other movies for opening weekend money ( 21 Mill+) tho'...and in less than 870 theatres...as opposed to the next money maker White Chicks which opened in over 2500 theatres...unprecedented for a documentary. Love, Dani
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#145920 - 06/29/04 12:18 AM
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You're right, Dani. It takes a while to digest. I've been pretty silent and internalized since coming out of it. Although as you say, there was really nothing in there that surprised me information-wise ... in fact, I thought it was pretty tame considering many of the more incendiary smoking guns that weren't even mentioned in the film ... but it was so well-presented that it brought all these "facts" home with the emotional urgency of a gut-punch. Don't lose heart, my friend. The times are perilous indeed, but there is a spirit stirring in the land. Moore's film topping the box-office charts despite its limited distribution and all the pressure against it is one sign of that. Another is today's Supreme Court decision. Finally some rattlings of conscience in the halls of power! Quote:
Supreme Rebuke The Washington Post Tuesday, June 29, 2004; Page A22
SINCE THE OUTSET of the war on terrorism, the Bush administration, across a wide range of issues, has had a simple message for the federal judiciary: Trust us and don't interfere. Yesterday, in a pair of much-awaited rulings, the court delivered its response. First, the justices declared that U.S. citizens designated as enemy fighters are entitled to a "fair opportunity" to challenge their detentions and "unquestionably [have] the right to access to counsel" in doing so. Then the justices held that federal courts have jurisdiction to hear challenges to the detentions of noncitizens held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Trust, even during wartime, has limits.
The most important decision of the day came in the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, the Louisiana-born Saudi man who has been held in a military brig for the past two years after being captured in Afghanistan. The decision is more historic still for transcending the court's frequent ideological divide. Eight justices rejected the government's contention that Mr. Hamdi could be locked up indefinitely, incommunicado, on the strength of a two-page, hearsay affidavit and without any opportunity to respond to the government's allegations.
The justices did not agree on the proper resolution of the case: A four-member plurality led by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor held -- as we have argued -- that an American who fights with the enemy may be detained as an enemy fighter but must have a meaningful opportunity to contest the designation. Justices David H. Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg argued that Congress's authorization of the use of force did not include the authority to detain Americans. Justices Antonin Scalia and John Paul Stevens argued that Mr. Hamdi was entitled either to be tried or freed. Only Justice Clarence Thomas would have affirmed the government's position.
Consequently, the case not only guarantees that Mr. Hamdi will get to tell the courts his side of the story but also sends a powerful message that Americans cannot just disappear at the hands of their government. Even during wartime, the government must be held to account -- albeit not necessarily in a full-fledged criminal trial -- before an American can be locked up. That's important not just for Mr. Hamdi but for liberty generally. And it means that the other American held as an enemy combatant, Jose Padilla, will at last get a hearing as well. The court dismissed Mr. Padilla's case, finding that it had been filed in the wrong court. But the decision in Hamdi means that in any renewed litigation, more than the government's say-so will be needed to keep Mr. Padilla behind bars.
The court's skepticism about the government's position extended even to that case where precedent was most strongly on the administration's side. The government had a powerful argument that Guantanamo lies outside the court's jurisdiction, an argument with which we agreed. Yet the administration's willful failure for so long to construct at Guantanamo a review process in which the public could have confidence makes the court's decision to intervene something of a self-inflicted wound for the administration.
It isn't clear what, in practice, the decision will mean. If the result is to spur the administration to improve review and inject a measure of outside oversight, it could prove constructive. But there are dangers as well. Holding that jurisdiction exists to consider these cases is not the same as saying they have legal merit, so the decision is far from a promise of meaningful review of Guantanamo detentions, and it could prove quite disruptive. The decision's logic seems to imply that any detainee held anywhere by U.S. forces -- even someone such as Saddam Hussein or Khalid Sheik Mohammed -- could have access to U.S. courts. However irresponsible the executive branch has been, the judiciary is ill-positioned to manage every overseas detention.
What should be clear, however, is that the judiciary will not sit still for assertions of unbridled executive power. As the war on terrorism progresses, the administration will need -- at long last -- to submit to the oversight and transparency it has so assiduously resisted.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company Link to article
I'm not quite as optimistic as the article's author that this will reign in the administration's "assertions of unbridled executive power" or force it to submit to oversight and transparency ... but it's a great big step in the right direction! 
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Greg
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#145921 - 06/30/04 10:11 AM
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Well this is coming up faster than I thought it would.... this just in from BuzzFlash --------------------------------------------------- Dum diddi dum diddi diddi dum dum Here we go: WASHINGTON -- The government needs to establish guidelines for canceling or rescheduling elections if terrorists strike the United States again, says the chairman of a new federal voting commission. Such guidelines do not currently exist, said DeForest B. Soaries, head of the voting panel. Soaries was appointed to the federal Election Assistance Commission last year by President Bush. Soaries said he wrote to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge in April to raise the concerns ______________________________________ You can check out BuzzFlash at: Buzzflash@buzzflash.comthe link to this thread is: http://atrios.blogspot.comI hope I have that right..I am always so good at links....  Dani
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#145922 - 06/30/04 07:11 PM
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Hey everyone  I haven't seen Farenheit 9-11 - YET (it's not going to be playing in my little city till next week) so I can't comment on the movie, but something Dani said gave me the willies. Quote:
but I'd be willing to bet that we won't have any elections at all this November....
They will stop them from happening at all....just to 'keep us safe'
I don't know where the idea first came from, if it was from me or if I picked it up on the web or from the Spaceman's radio show, but I've had a dreadful feeling about the November elections.
A year or so ago I had a horrible dream that GW was assinated on the eve of the '04 election. He was standing on a podium in a large hall addressing a packed house. Hamid Karzi (I think?) was standing beside him - they were annoucing a special something about Afganistan. At least I think it was Karzi about Afganistan. Maybe it was the new Iraqi leader - at the time there was no Iraqi leader? Anyway, a person in the front row stood up and opened up something that looked small and non-descript, but as he did so a cloud of highly poisionous gas was released. Everyone near him, including those on the podium died instantly.
What was freaky about the dream, was that I was dreaming it as though I was watching the events unfold on live tv.
A bunch of other stuff happened, but the thing that I remember was the anchor person at the CNN newsdesk saying that with GW gone, Cheney was President and the election post-poned due to the terrosist attack. I woke up feeling sick. I'm no fan of GW, but I've often felt that he's been set up as a sacrfical lamb, and this type of scenario would not be beyond the reach of "them".
Anyway, FWIW, I was remembering that tonight, and I hope and pray that nothing interfere's with your elections - too bad you didn't have someone a little better to choose between though!
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#145923 - 06/30/04 10:43 PM
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....and they have Indeeeeeeeeed been irresponsible.....and certainly unAmerican..lets hope it pans out.... I am not as hopeful as the author either.... all we need is one attack for all bets to be off...you know? oi veh..... oh....and I am going to see F9/11 again tomorrow.....I Have to see it again....I feel like there is so much I missed because there was so much information. Interesting that around here attendance is growing...not waning...( which might be because some poeple like me are returning and bringing their new voting age kids)...I will be curious to see what the numbers do after this weekend's supposed big summer blockbuster opens. Another thing that I noticed was the wide range of age groups in the audience......and also...the faces of those leaving the theatre vs. the faces of those waiting in line. I want to see if that has changed as well... Pat sent an email that at least one theatre has had an on duty police officer checking ID's outside to check and make sure those attending are of age....  yeah right....like they worry about that when they rent video games....nice of them to be so involved....but the cool thing was...it gave the officer a chance to see it too...and he raved about it....so there's a little backlash for you.  the officer had to have wondered why they were not out hunting crack dealers or something...  Dani
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#145924 - 06/30/04 11:38 PM
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Hi Terri! I see I screwed up at least one of the links... I gave the buzzflash email addy instead...but the second link does scroll down to the story I copied in....which is why it's easier for me to copy and paste it in the first place Anyway....Terri...check out GW's chart for election day.. his data is 7/6/46... New Haven Conneticut 7:26 am you'll see he has a Saturn/Saturn cj in his 12th that day along with some other major hitters....like Mars just off his Jup in the 3rd...Uranus having moved into his 8th ...Sun sq Pluto and cj his POF...to name a few. Also have a look at Cheney's chart...for the same day... his data is: 1/30/41 Lincoln Nebraska 7:30 PM Saturn dead on to his Chiron in his 11th...Neptune to his Sun in the 6th...Pluto cj Ceres...in a wide orb to his Mars and sq his Moon....Chiron cj his Venus....and Uranus hanging right on his DC.... you'll see much more than I do on a quick glance I'm sure. Your dream could have been prophetic ...really. Sudden change is definitely in the stars....and thats all it would take to stop the elections. ...and yes...I see GW as a sacrificial lamb.....if someone takes him out.....( and don't forget he also has the curse of Tecumseh on him)....I swear my gut says it would be an inside job....as in " pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" The louder he gets....the more of a liability he is to the powers that Really be. Make sure you go see the movie when it gets there...and you will see why I have the total willies over all of this. Like I said...I am going again....I MUST...I simply must. If you want anyone else's data from up on the hill.. I have managed to come up with everyone's except Karl Rove....and if anyone has that...I'd like to see it. I agree that we don't have much to choose from...The ones I liked never made it thru the first hard pass....but as the scales tip...I am much more anti Bush than I am anti Kerry...and now that we are in this mess...I'd rather have a guy who has seen combat....and who had the guts to protest it after he came home...than a guy who was afraid he'd flunk his drug test so he went awol...which is what we have now. and you know....no one died when Clinton lied. This is just unfreakinbelievable really....I can't believe our country is in this mess. A dear friend of mine who served our community as mayor several years ago...and is the former head of our local NAACP saw the movie the same day I did.... He and his wife told me at church Sunday that they saw Mark and I leaving when they were in line...when I said " Why did'nt you speak up and say hello?"...He took my hands and said " Because of the expression on your face as you left the theatre, my dear" Then I asked him if he believes we really still have a democracy at all...and his reply was 'only if you have power and money' I found that very depressing.....because it's true... yes...go see the movie..... oh and while I have you on the line... John Edward has added another Toronto date...I guess he felt it's needed....I think it's the next day from the other July one....what was that again....the 11th??? I can check if you like...I'd love for you to see him.... oh and one more thing...have you ever read the book Many Lives Many Masters by Brian Weiss?....I think you would like it.  Dani
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#145926 - 07/02/04 11:36 PM
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Great Link Ginny!!! I am still struck by the expressions on the faces of those leaving the film vs those waiting in line. Also...I went back to see it again yesterday.....and Colleen and I took Joanne..... my daughter did not handle this well......for one thing...she recognized the two recruiters ...those same men had been at her high school several times this past year....and seeing them in full planning stage enraged her....she heard their pitch...but she never saw the manipulation behind it.... for another with her boyfriend is already caught by the National Guard...and going for his boot camp this September....well, it really hit her hard. He has expressed the same fear that the son of Lily from Flint expressed. For us Michiganders....a lot of this story was close to home...you know? Three Rivers....is just 15 minutes south of me.....and that guy who made the parachute has been all over our local news. And yeah...Michael is right...he's not getting a fair shake with the press right now because he outed them all...and they know it...but it's too late...people are going anyway...no matter how many reviews slam it as propaganda.... I think the only guy who came out looking like he had a head on his shoulders is Charlie Gibson from Good Morning America....but thats ABC...and ABC is Disney...so he's screwed no matter what he thinks. I would like to point out also...that no one called the Clinton Chronicals propaganda when they released it during HIS presidancy!!!!...oh yeah...that was all fact.... Isn't it amazing how fast the whole Whitewater scandal was forgotten as soon as he was out of office??? Oh and yeah....GW made how many millions selling that bad stock before his company crashed???? but poor Martha Stewart....oh yeah...she'a criminal..... And you know what else????? I cut my citi card up....and transfered the balance to another not affiliated with citi.....and when I closed the account and they asked why and even offered me...( finally) a better rate....I told them because they supported the Saudi's...and now that Michael has made that point...I will not do business with them anymore....the Sears card is next...because that is owned by the citi bank as well. Oh yeah.....and one more thing...and I might have mentioned this somewhere else already....the promoters of Hip Hop artists.....have been organizing voter registrations at their concerts lately....now this is an age group that never votes...they make lots of angry music about the state of the world...but they do not vote....well they registered over 40,000 voters in Detroit alone...and another 70,000+ in Philidelphia! I think thats fantastic..... We need to keep it up..... When my guru....(who is the exact same age as our Dear Gerg)...who was in Saigon when it fell..told me he had heard it was 'very well edited'...I answered that the powers that be would be terrified of having Nam Vets seeing this film...as they better than anyone know what a political war is really like. he never answered...and I know Richard well enough to know...that means he's thinking about that....very hard... oh and one more thing....  I keep remembering more stuff... another fascinating thing I noticed was the huge age ranges of people seeing this movie...there were young kids like my daughters age group....people my age of the Nam era and shortly thereafter....and WW2 vets and their wives hobbling in with walkers.....I have never seen so many wheelchairs in a movie all at once.....both times I went it was like that! You could tell that many of these people had not attended a movie in years...but there they were....and GW drew a lot from that age group on the last election..... I hope to hell this blows in his face but good. you can't stop the net from spreading the word.....  Dani
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#145928 - 07/03/04 01:43 AM
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Oh yeah......and if the numbers keep going down that is exactly what they will do.....all to ' keep us safe ' Ugly is too nice a word for it....it could easily be civil war. and while I do not believe that people like me should have guns.....I'd arm myself to fight for this country in a second....I won't fight for stock options....but I'd fight for freedom till my death. I don't know about you...but I am really pissed off. BTW...you've got mail  Dani
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#145929 - 07/03/04 01:47 AM
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Oh and did you notice that today the news said we have an 'increased threat ' again? Here we go..... That movie has them shook up.....they will try to shut it down soon I bet....but Michael won't have it...it might just be the first film ever released for free on the net.....!!!!!!!  Dani
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#145930 - 07/07/04 09:10 PM
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Hey Dani  I missed replying to this thread back when it was more current - but its been on my mind alot this week. More and More and More people that I know are seeing the movie, and / or the truth behind the lies. I get worried a bit when Canadians sit back and watch American politics upfold like a strange reality show though - because it does affect us up here, and some things, like the power grabs and freedom tramping might give our politicans ideas, you know? And we Canadians are so damn polite that if someone came along to take our civil liberites, we'd probably gift wrap them first.  So its heartening to see Americans finally waking up. Throughout this whole mess I always belived in "we the people". I'm glad to see that "we the people" are starting to belive in themselves!  Still haven't seen the movie  but my nana wants me to take her for her 81st birthday in a couple weeks. So I think I'll wait for her. I was so surprised to learn she was even interested. Mind you, she was one of only 60% of Canadians who voted in our election last week, so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. I think the older people have more of a clue about civic responsibility and what it means to be on the brink of loosing everything you've fought for than the Generation X-ers like most of my friends. Love, Terri Love, Terri
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#145931 - 07/08/04 10:29 PM
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#145932 - 07/12/04 03:58 PM
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Hi Everyone... I just wanted to share that we (Troy, Tom and myself) all went to Louisville yesterday to see this movie. It was excellent! Something everyone should see. I commend Michael Moore for being brave enough to do this documentary, and buy the rights back so that he could show it here in the US. People clapped when it was over. I found it very moving... a well of emotions that I had been too numb to feel at the time came up to be cleared during the blank screen to the sounds of what took place on that day, and seeing peoples reactions to it. I was surprised at some of the information that I wasn't aware of about the election Bush stole from Gore, as well as the information on how they flew Bin Laden's family out of our country 2 days after 9/11 when no other planes were allowed out of the country. Lot's of little tidbits I wasn't aware of... Well worth seeing.
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#145933 - 07/13/04 04:47 AM
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Wow! What a terrible dream, Terri! When I first read your post I got chills down my spine. I sincerely hope that it is not prophetic (but have a sneaking suspicion that it may be). The very idea of President Cheney scares the daylights out of me. He just looks so mean.
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#145934 - 07/13/04 05:03 AM
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Oh boy, I'm probably hallucinating from lack of sleep, but it popped into my head that the scenario you proposed, Terri, may take place during the Republican National Convention.
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#145935 - 07/14/04 10:18 PM
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Yes Divinia.......it crossed my mind too.... and a possible 'attack' could also happen at the democratic convention....or the olympics as well. But I think the republican convention puts GW at risk. great risk. We have not much choice except to wait and see I guess...  Dani
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Just found this post! This film is such an eye opener for the public. The network of human awareness continues to expand and encompass so many people! Thanks Michael M. daf Linda Goodman Fans Unite!
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