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#147923 - 10/13/04 02:11 PM Zero
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Been questing the mysterious concept of Zero.
It's meaning seems to scope all ranges from 'nothingness' to 'infinity'.
As a number, it is often overlooked...in numerology as well as in mathematics, so this no doubt peeked my curiousity about it. That and having Sun at 0 degrees Sagittarius.
Astrologically I'm aware this is the crossing point of Scorpio/Sag.......but numerologically I have wondered if there could be more.

Here is some interesting stuff I found on zero, from a spiritual perspective and then a more mathematical perspective:

ZERO
Zero represents the Cosmic Egg, the primordial Androgyne---the Plenum. Zero as an empty circle depicts both the nothingness of death and yet the totality of life contained within the circle. As an ellipse the two sides represent ascent and descent, evolution and involution.

Before the One (meaning the Source--not the number) there is only Void, or non-being; thought; the ultimate mystery, the incomprehensible Absolute. Begins with meanings such as, Non-existence; nothingness; the unmanifest; the unlimited; the eternal. The absence of all quality or quantity.

Zero Point Merge


Cultural References
Taoism: It symbolizes the Void; non-being.

Buddhism: It is the Void and no-thingness.

Kabbalsim: Boundless; Limitless Light; the Ain.

Pathagoras saw zero as the perfect. Zero is the Monad, the originator and container of All.

Islamic: Zero is the Divine Essence.



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when we are in dreams awake.

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#147924 - 10/13/04 02:21 PM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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Zero in Four Dimensions:
Historical, Psychological, Cultural,
and Logical Perspectives


Hossein Arsham
University of Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, 21201, USA
harsham@ubmail.ubalt.edu





Contents:
1. Introduction

2. Historical Perspective

3. Psychological Perspective

4. Cultural Perspective

5. Logical Perspective

6. Concluding Remarks

7. Notes, Further Readings, and References



Introduction
The introduction of zero into the decimal system in 13th century was the most significant achievement in the development of a number system, in which calculation with large numbers became feasible. Without the notion of zero, the descriptive and prescriptive modeling processes in commerce, astronomy, physics, chemistry, and industry would have been unthinkable. The lack of such a symbol is one of the serious drawbacks in the Roman numeral system. In addition, the Roman numeral system is difficult to use in any arithmetic operations, such as multiplication. The purpose of this article is to raise students, teachers and the public awareness of issues in working with zero by providing the foundation of zero form four different perspectives. Imprecise mathematical thinking is by no means unknown; however, we need to think more clearly if we are to keep out of confusions.

Our discomfort with the concepts of zero (and infinite) is reflected in such humor as 2 plus 0 still equals 2, even for large values, and popular retorts of similar tone. A like uneasiness occurs in confronting infinity, whose proper use first rests on a careful definition of what is finite. Are we mortals hesitant to admit to our finite nature? Such lighthearted commentary reflects an underlying awkwardness in the manipulation of mathematical expressions where the notions of zero and infinity present themselves. A common fallacy is that, any number divided by zero is infinity. It is not simply a problem of ignorance by young novices who have often been mangled. The same errors are commonly committed by seasoned practitioners, yea, and even educators! These errors frequently can be found as well in prestigious texts published by mainstream publishers.



Historical Perspective
Counting is as old as prehistoric man is, after he learned to count, man invented words for numbers and later still, symbolic numerals. The numeral system we use today originated with the Hindus. They were devised to go with the 10-based, or "decimal," method of counting, so named after the Latin word decima, meaning tenth, or tithe. The first popularizer of this notation was a Muslim mathematician, Al-Khwarizmi in the 9th century, however it took the new numbers about two centuries to reach Spain and then to England in a book called Craft of Nombrynge.

The Two Notions of Zero: The notion of zero was introduced to Europe in the Middle Ages by Leonardo Fibonacci who translated from Arabic the work of the Persian (from Usbekestan province) scholar Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn (al)-Khwarizmi. The word "algorithm," Medieval Latin 'algorismus', is a contamination of his name and the Greek word arithmos, meaning "number, has come to represent any iterative, step-by-step procedure. Khwarizmi in turn documented (in Arabic, in the 7th century) the original work of the Hindu mathematician Ma-hávíral as a superior mathematical construction compared with the then prevalent Roman numerals which do not contain the concept of zero. When these scholarly treatises were being translated by European accountants, they translated 1, 2, 3,.. upon reaching zero, they pronounced, "empty", Nothing! The scribe asked what to write and was instructed to draw an empty hole, thus introducing the present notation for zero.

Hindu and early Muslim mathematicians were using a heavy dot to mark zero's place in calculations. Perhaps we would not be tempted to divide by zero if we also express the zero as a dot rather that the 0 character.

Babylonians also used a zero, approximately at the same time as Egyptians, before 1500 BC. Certainly, zero's application in our base 10 decimal system was a step forward, as logarithms of Napier and others brought into use.

While zero is a concept and a number, Infinity is not a number; it is the name for a concept. Infinity cannot be considered as a number since it does not follow numbers' properties. For example, (infinity + 2) is not more than infinity. Since infinite is the opposite of finite, therefore whoever uses "infinite" must first give an indication for what is finite. For example, in the use of statistical tables, such as t-table, almost all textbooks denote symbol of infinity ( ) for the parameter of any t-distribution with values greater than 120. I share Cantor's view that "....in principle only finite numbers ought to be admitted as actual."

Aristotle considered the infinite, as something for which there is no exit in an attempt to pass through it. In his Physics: Book III, he wrote "It is plain, too, that the infinite cannot be an actual thing and a substance and principle."

Many writers have given much attention to clarifying the nature of the "infinite": what is it, how can we know anything about it, etc. Many constructively minded mathematicians such as David Hilbert choose to emphasize that we can restrict ourselves to the finite and thereby avoid many of these problems: this is the so-called "finitary standpoint".



Psychological Perspective
Zero as a concept, was derived, perhaps from the concept of a void. The concept of void existed in Hindu philosophy and the Buddhist concept of Nirvana, that is: attaining salvation by merging into the void of eternity. Ma-hávíral (born, around 850 BC) was a Hindu mathematician, unfortunately, not much is known about him. As pointed out by George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, "India, such a vast country, has no documented history." In the West, the concept of void and nothingness appeared first in the works of Arthur Schopenhauer during the 19th century, although zero as a number has been adapted much earlier.

The Arabic writing mathematicians not only developed decimal notation, they also gave irrational numbers, such as square root of 2, equal rights in the realm of Number. And they developed the language, though not yet the notation, of algebra. One of the influential persons in both areas was Omar Khayyam, known in the west more as a poet. I consider that an important point; too many people still believe that mathematicians have to be dry and uninteresting.

Initially, there was some resistance to accepting this significant modification to the time-honored Roman notation. Among the trite objections to leaving Roman numerals for the new notation was the difficulty in distinguishing between the numeral 1 and 7. The solution, still employed in Europe, was to use a cross-hatch to distinguish the numeral 7.

The introduction of the new system indisputably marked the democratization of mathematical computation by its simplicity and lack of mystery. Up to then the "abacus" was the champion. Abacus was a favorite tool for a few and praised by Socrates. The Greek's emphasis on geometry (i.e., measuring the land for agricultural purposes, the earth, thus the world geography) so kept them from perfecting number notation system. They simply had no use for zero.

Sacrilegious as it may sound on first impression, the notation of zero is at heart nothing more than a directional separator as in the case of a thermometer. It is, in actuality, "not there." For example, in order to express the number 206, a symbol is needed to show that there are no tens. The digit 0 serves this purpose. Zero became a part of the Natural Numbers System in the last century when Giuseppe Peano puts it in his first of five axioms for his number theory. One may think of an analogy. Zero is similar to the "color" black, which is not a color at all. It is the absence of color, while the Sun Light contains all the colors.

Zero is the only digit, which cannot stand-alone. It is a lonely number, lonelier than one. It requires some sort of companionship to give meaning to its life. It can go on the left. On the right. Or both ways! Or in the middle as part of a threesome. Witness "01", "10", or "102". Even "1000". A relationship with other numbers gives it meaning (i.e. it is a dependent number). By itself it is nothing!

When we write 10, we mean 1 ten and 0 ones. In some number systems, it would be redundant to mention the 0 ones, because zero means there are no objects there. Place value uses relative positions. So an understanding of the role of 0 as marking that a particular 'place' is empty is essential, as is its role of maintaining the 'place' of the other digits. The usage of zero here is more of a qualitative than quantitative. Therefore, it is called an operational zero.

Another colleagues who is writing a paper for symbolic logic on zero stated that "It seems to be it is 'nothing' in addition/subtraction, but if it is nothing then how can it effect numbers in multiplication? Also as to your comment on 2/0 being meaningless. I am wondering what the answer should be, if it can be more clearly defined), and why."

Here, my dear colleague has mixed the two distinct notions of zero: Zero as a number being used in our numerical systems AND as a concept for 'nothing'. As a result of this mixed-up, he is "wondering" at his own mental creature. We used to think that if we know one, we know the other. We are finding out that we must learn a great deal more about "AND".



Cultural Perspective
Judging from the treatment accorded to the concept of zero, we do practice a variety of avoidance mechanisms rather than confront the imagery associated with this seemingly difficult concept.

In reciting one's telephone number, social security number, postal zip code or post office box, room number, street number or any of a variety of other numeric nominals, we carefully avoid pronouncing the digit "zero" and instead substitute "oh." One may say "it is caused by our desire to communicate quickly, if we can say the same thing in one syllable, why not?" What about number seven, should we find a substitute for this too?

In some parts of the world, the phrasing "naught" and "aught" are used but it is quite uncommon to hear "zero." All the other digits are correctly enunciated with this one curious exception.

Is the presence of nothing (reflecting non-existence) different from the absence of something (reflecting non-availability) or the absence of anything (reflecting non-existence)? Zero is a symbol for "not there" which is different from "nothing" "Not there" reflects that the number or item(s) exists but they are not just available. "Nothing" reflects nonexistence.

Zero not only has the quality of being nothing, it is also a noun, verb, adverb, and an adjective as in "zero possibility". "We zeroed in on the cause," means we had isolated all the possibilities, and have discovered the one remaining. In this use as a verb, zero equals one. However, "The result was a big, fat, zero," uses the noun to express the idea of results of "nothing". Here, zero has the quality of not being there. Zero as an action appears in the Conservative Laws of physics.

Is zero a number? Consider the following scene:

Ernie: I've put a number of cookies in that Jar. You can have them if you give me your teddy.
Bert: Great While Ernie hands over the teddy and looks eagerly in the jar, said:
Bert "Wait a Minute There's No Cookies Here. You Said You Put a Number of Cookies in There"
Ernie: That's right, zero is a number.

Clearly some sort of an avoidance mechanism is in operation. It is as though the name itself invokes a kind of anxiety perhaps associated with "nothingness", a kind of emptiness which humankind finds uncomfortable and prefers to avoid confronting. As with all such anxiety- provoking ideas, some other imagery is substituted which provides a veneer to mask the disquieting emotional undertones of the discomforting idea. Zero represents the amount of nothing.

Today zero has a meaning not just of a number, but as the bottom, or failure. He made no baskets, or, he made zero baskets -- meaning he failed to score. Or he gave zero assistance.

If you are familiar with Numerology, you notice that there is no zero to work with in the numbers that correlate with the alphabet, strange? Not at all. The absence of zero may suggest that the Pythagorean who first developed the duality between numbers and letters were not aware of the zero notion. The notion of zero is much younger.

On the telephone keypad, zero has the honor of representing the operator. There is no zero in most games, such as plying cards (after all who wants to win zero!). Zero is placed at the end of the keypad on the computer and at the bottom of the keypad on the telephone. Is zero the beginning or the end? Notice that on a calculator's keypad the numbers starts with the largest numbers on the top and work their way down to zero. What about the o and 0 being right next to each other on the PC keyboard? Numbers are located three places. First it is located on the keyboard keys with the range 1, 2,...,0; this is the same order that phone keypad. Second, on the right of the keyboard is a calculator-like pad where zero is the last listed number. Finally, there is a list of functions key, however there is no F0 because that could translate into no function and what would be the point of having a key "without" function. There will always be questions about the true meaning and function of zero. Is it the end or the beginning? What does ground zero mean? Some use it as starting point; the military uses it as an ending point.

The resistance against zero can be noted even at the architectural level in buildings where the ground level is rarely denoted as the zeroth-level as it should be. However, for mathematicians it comes easily to label the floors of a building to include zero, for example, the Department of Mathematics' building at the University of Zagreb in Croatia has floors numbered as -1, 0, 1, 2, and 3. In fact, this is not a particularity of one building but a common practice in modern buildings in Spain and in Spanish speaking world such as Argentina. The feeling of comfort with zero in these countries could be due to the fact that the Islamic culture had more influence in Spain than any other European countries. Other countries do have a special word to say 'ground floor' in a conversation, not using a "0 button" for the ground floor.

Other Apparent Cultural Difficulties with Zero: It may be considered frivolous hyperbole to suggest that the demise of the Roman Empire was due to the absence of zero in its number system, but one can only ponder the fate of our civilization given the difficulty our culture seems to have with the presence of zero in our number system.

The notion of zero brings another wearying and yet intriguing questions: Is our current century the 20th century or the 21st century? According to the Holy Scriptures (see, Matthew chapter 2), King Herod was alive when Jesus was born, and Herod died in 4 BC. Does that mean the millennium actually started in 1996?

Ordinal numbers, which the Gregorian calendar uses, indicate sequence. Thus "A.D. 1" (or the first year A.D.) refers to the year that begins at the zero point and ends one year later. Think of a carpenter's ruler, if you will; the first inch is the interval between the edge and the one-inch mark. Thus, e.g., the millennium ended with the passing of the two-thousandth year, not with its inception. Cardinal numbers, which astronomers use in their calculations, indicate quantity. Zero is a cardinal number and indicates a value; it does not name an interval. Thus "zero" indicates the division between B.C. and A.D., not the interval of the first year before or after this point. Continuing with our example, put two rulers end to end: although there is a zero point, there is no "zero'th" inch.

As it stands now, we refer to years with ordinal numbers and to ages with cardinal numbers. Thus a child less than a year old is usually said to be so many weeks or months old, rather than "zero years old." If we changed over to this system for our calendar (referring to the age of our era, rather than to the order of the year), then there would be "zero years" for both A.D. and B.C.! That is to say, the last twelve months before the birth of Christ and the first twelve months after the birth of Christ would be the years 0 B.C. and A.D. 0 respectively.

The main confusion is between the notions of "time window length" and a "point in time". There is an interval between 0 and 1. Considering whether this century is 2000 or 2001, depends on whether you look at a number as a points on time or a time interval. Years are intervals; numbers are points. Therefore, it is always a mistake to treat years as points. For example, consider the old arithmetic question: John was born in 1985 and Jane in 1986.

How much older is John than Jane? The answer, of course, can be anywhere from a few seconds to two years, depending on when in those intervals the two people were born.

This is quite revealing of the cultural predilections of the time when the calendar was reorganized, first under the Julian scheme undertaken under the auspices of the Roman Emperor, Julius Caesar, after whom the month of July was named, and subsequently under the Gregorian calendar currently in use, which was devised during the reign of Pope Gregory. What is quietly yet magnificently revealed by this now-curious omission is the absence of the notion of zero in the numbering systems then in use. When the notion of zero was subsequently introduced in the west in the Middle Ages, it could hardly have been regarded as feasible to rewrite the entire calendar, if the debate occurred in the first place. Clearly then, our ideas about numbers permeate our culture.

The Babylonians, and Chinese did not have a symbol for zero. The word zero comes from the Arabic "al-sifer". Introduced to Europe during Italian renaissance in the 12th century by Leonardo Fibonacci (and by Nemorarius a less well-known mathematician) as "cifra" from which we have obtained our present cipher, meaning empty space. Sifer in turn is a translation of Hindi word "sunya" meaning void or empty. In Hindi "shunya" means zero. The terms aught, naught, and cipher are older names in English for zero symbol. In French "chiffre" means zero. It may also make you wonder that the word "cifra" in Russian means "written numbers." Similarly, "Ziffer" in German means one single written number; it is used in contrast to a single letter. Zero in German is called "Null". The ancient Egyptians never used a zero symbol in writing their numerals. Therefore there was no function for a zero in writing their numerals. The two applications of the zero concept used by ancient Egyptian scribes were:

1) as a zero reference point for a system of integers used on construction guidelines,

and

2) as a value that resulted from subtracting a number from an equal number.

It is quite extraordinary that neither the Egyptians nor the Greek were able to create a symbol to represent zero, or nothingness. The conceptual difficulty may have been that the zero is something that must be there in order to say that nothing is there. The Hindu-Arabic numerals were used for written calculations in the West not before the 12th century, when Arabic texts were translated into Latin.



Logical Perspective
Reading the seventh edition of a book on Management Science (Taylor [64]), I found the author dividing 2 by zero in the Simplex linear optimization tableau while performing a column ratio test, with the stated conclusion, 2 ÷ 0 = infinity ( ). A typographical error? Confusion? Willful sin? A telephone call bringing the obvious error to the attention of the publisher for correction in future editions was met with an astonishing return call from the editor of the text still insisting that 2 ÷ 0 = .

Although both the author and editor insist on this computational outcome, they nonetheless somehow decline to continue the Simplex calculation based on this result, contrary to the logic of their conclusion.

Questions I had were: How can you divide two by zero? Which number, when multiplied by zero, gives you 2?

Dividing by Zero Can Get You into Trouble: If we persist in retaining such errata in our educational texts, an unwitting or unscrupulous person could utilize the result to show that 1 = 2 as follows:

(a).(a) - a.a = a2 - a2

for any finite a. Now, factoring by a, and using the identity
(a2 - b2) = (a - b)(a + b) for the other side, this can be written as:

a(a-a) = (a-a)(a+a)

dividing both sides by (a-a) gives

a = 2a

now, dividing by a gives

1 = 2, Voila!

This result follows directly from the assumption that it is a legal operation to divide by zero because a - a = 0. If one divides 2 by zero even on a simple, inexpensive calculator, the display will indicate an error condition.

Again, I do emphasize, the question in this Section goes beyond the fallacy that 2/0 is infinity or not. It demonstrates that one should never divide by zero [here (a-a)]. If one does allow oneself dividing by zero, then one ends up in the Hell. That is all.

It seems apparent that the zero paradox should be broken into to areas: mathematical and physical. Not only is the need to define zero, but infinity as well. For some it is not a question of whether it exists, but merely what the definite result is."

One must make a clear distinction between the abstract concepts and the concrete concepts as well as their useful implications in modeling process of reality. Therefore, one must engage in investigating mathematical knowledge, especially the relation between conceptual and applied (procedural) knowledge. The distinction between these knowledge types is possible at a theoretical, epistemological and terminological level. One may classified them according to their different approach to a given problem:

Applied knowledge: How to get from where one is to where one wants to go in a finite number of steps.

Conceptual knowledge: How to get from where one is to where one wants to go in a finite or an infinite number of steps, or a leap without any steps at all.

An example of conceptual knowledge would be
Where one is: natural numbers
Where one wants to go: the end of them
How: Infinite number of steps.

For the applied knowledge it would be
Where one is: natural numbers
Where one wants to go: the end of them
How: In a finite number of steps depends on what calculator you are using.

As you see, conceptuality is subjective while realization is objective. Most conceptuality is metaphysical; while reality is mostly physical. One must recall that: being definite has the property of being definable.

The origin of the fallacy that any number divided by zero is equal to infinity goes back to the work of Bháskara, an Hindu mathematician who wrote in the 12th century that "3/0 = , this fraction, of which the denominator is cipher is termed an infinite quantity". He made this false claim in connection with an attempt to correct the wrong assertion made earlier by Brahmagupta of India that A / 0 = 0.

Notice that by this fallacy one tries to define "infinity" in terms of zero. Unfortunately, similar practices seem to prevail to the present day. A similar fallacy exists for logarithms of zero which is believed by many to be (negative) infinity.

Is Zero Either Positive or Negative? Natural numbers are positive integer numbers. One horse, two trees, etc. However, the arrival of zero caused the inevitable rise of the even more nefarious numbers: The negative numbers.

What about negative numbers? The negative sign is an extension of the number system used to indicate directionality. Zero must be distinguished from nothing. Zero belongs to the integer set of numbers. Zero is neither positive nor negative but psychologically it is negative. The concept of zero represents "something" that is "not there," while zero as a number represents the lowest of all non-negative numbers. For example, if a person has no account in a bank, his/her account is nothing (not there). If he/she has an account, he/she may have an account-balance of zero.

A high school teacher told me that "...In High school Algebra books they like to teach about numbers. You know whole numbers, natural numbers, rational numbers, irrational numbers, and integers to name a few. The problem that I often run across is where does the zero fit in. For instance 'a positive integer', does this include zero? We know that whole numbers include 0, but it is a positive whole number..."

She is right, unfortunately some algebra books are confusing on categorizing zero in our numerical systems. However, the accepted and widely use categories for inclusion of zero as a positive number is "non-negative integers", while for excluding it from positive integer the terminology "positive integers" is used. Similarly, for the real numbers involving zero, the following four categories: "positive", "negative", "non-negative" and "non-positive" are being used. The last two categories include zero, while the first two exclude zero, respectively. Therefore, as you see, the first two sets are the subsets of the last two, respectively.

Talking to another high school teacher, he stated that ".. I always thought and believed that zero is neither positive nor negative. It's only when we used the book International Student (7th Ed., by Lial, Hornsby, and Miller, Addison Wesley, 1999, page 6) that:

when they presented inverse property of addition

a + (-a) = 0

they wrote these:

Number Additive Inverse
6 -6
-4 -(-4) or 4
2/3 -2/3
0 -0 or 0

This is rather confusing to me and to my students because I told them that zero is neither positive nor negative, then why did these authors attach a negative sign on zero?

I looked at other books and I found another one Modern Algebra and Trigonometry (3rd Ed., by Elbridge Vance, 1995), that when he also presented Existence of Additive inverses (axiom 6A), in one of his statements he wrote: 0 = -0.

All these are confusing. It is also a difficult and uncomfortable situation when a knowledgeable teacher want to correct the textbook, and the students taking the textbook as the ultimate authority as if it's a Bible. One may like to remind them by mentioning that the purpose of education is the critical thinking for oneself.

The additive inverse of any number is a unique number. Therefore, the additive inverse of 0 cannot be " -0, or 0". (Thanks goodness! they did not include, double zeroes -00, and 00, etc.)

Moreover, the additive inverse of zero is itself. This property of zero also characterizes the zero (i.e., no other number has such nice property).

Furthermore, zero is the Null element for addition. Any operation has a unique Null. The inverse of a Null element for any operation is itself. For example, the Null element for both multiplication and division operations is 1.

Is Zero an Even or Odd Number? If one defines evenness or oddness on the integers (either positive or all), then zero seems to be taken to be even; and if one only defines evenness and oddness on the natural numbers, then zero seems to be neither. This dilemma is caused by the fact that the concepts of even and oddness predated zero and the negative integers. The problem posed by this question is that zero is not to be really a number not that it is even or odd.

Most modern textbooks apply concepts such as "even" only to "natural numbers," in connection with primes and factoring. By "natural numbers" they mean positive integers, not including zero. Those who work in foundations of mathematics, though, consider zero a natural number, and for them the integers are whole numbers. From that point of view, the question whether zero is even just does not arise, except by extension. One may say that zero is neither even nor odd. Because you can pick an even number and divide it in groups, take, e.g., 2, which can be divided in two groups of "1", and 4 can be divided in two groups of "2". But can you divide zero? That's why there are so many "questions."

If you feel that the question if zero is an even number is of no practical value at all, let me quote the following news from the German television news program (ZDF) "Heute" on Oct. 1, 1977:

Smog alarm in Paris: Only cars with an odd terminating number on the license plate are admitted for driving. Cars with an even digit terminating were not allowed to be driven. There were problems: Is the terminating number 0 an even number? Drivers with such numbers were not fined, because the police did not know the answer.

"Is zero odd or even? One of my students suggested a convention, i.e. a useful unproved mechanism which makes her feel better, that zero is indeed Even! She offered two arguments:

A1: "Odd" numbers are spaced two apart. So are "even" numbers. Proceeding downward, 8,6,4,2,0,-2,-4 .. should all be considered Even. While odd numbers 9,7,5,3,1,-1,-3 ... skip over zero in a most stubborn manner.

A2: Let two softball teams play a game, with each player betting one dollar a run to the opposing team. Further presume that no runs are scored (due to beer consumption) and no extra innings are allowed because it got dark.

The final score is zero to zero. If a player is asked by his wife whether he won or lost, he would probably indicate that he "broke even". As the old math teacher said: " Proof? Why any fool can see that."

These issues make themselves strongly felt in the classroom, textbook, in the frequent mishandling of the notion of zero by the novice and professional alike and therefore recommend themselves to our attention. These are among many issues of how to teach these concepts to students at early age.

Continuous data come in the forms of Interval or Ratio measurements. The zero point in an Interval scale is arbitrary. The different scales for measuring temperature all have a zero, yet each has a different value! For example, on a Celsius thermometer, zero is set at the temperature at which pure water freezes at the sea level altitude. While zero degrees Fahrenheit is 32 ° degrees below freezing, and finally absolute zero is the theoretical point at which molecular movement ceases. Therefore, since the absolute temperature can be created in the laboratory, it is only a concept. So, here one must accept that the meaning of zero is relative to its context. Now the question is: does 80 ° degrees Fahrenheit temperature implies it's twice as hot as when it's 40 ° degrees? The answer is a No. Why not?

Recently one of my students asked me "I want to know what the opposite of zero is." Well, not everything has an opposite. The concept of opposite is a human invention in order to make the world manageable, there is no real opposite in nature. Is day opposite of night? Is male opposite of female, or they are complementary to each other? What is the opposite of color blue? Here we must be cautious when we ask about apposite of zero. The difference is between quality (which is a concept) versus quantity (which a number). For example, what is "minus red?" or what is opposite of red? However, in the context of the real line, you can say that the opposite of zero is itself, while the opposite of +2 is -2 with respect to the origin point 0, as both have the same distance from the origin while one in on its right-side and the other on the left-side. This definition is acceptable if you accept the opposite of left is the right. What is the opposite of 1/2? If you say, it's 2, then 0 has no opposite.



Concluding Remarks
Unfortunately I find that the act of dividing by zero is not at all an uncommon practice. Many references in applied mathematics can be found committing this and other errors. And if educators profess division by zero as an appropriate mathematical practice, they should not be surprised to see this error persist among their students just as the teachers themselves learned this practice from their own teachers. You might think, as one of my colleagues from Eastern Europe believed that "... the Anglo-Saxons culture do not have a way with numbers." While respecting this opinion, unfortunately, I found that this error is not limited to a particular culture. In fact, it is the problem often initiated by our educators worldwide. For example, in the textbook for Educacion Mathematica by Gracia, et al. [1989, page 138], which is widely used in Spanish speaking Schools of Education, you will find that the function y = 1/(X2 - 1), evaluated at X = -1 is 952380952. Where did this number come from? The right question one might ask is who educates our educators?

Ball [7] interviewed 10 elementary and 9 secondary teachers, asking, "Suppose that a student asks you what 7 divided by 0 is. How would you respond? Why is that what you'd say?" What she found was that 1 of the 10 elementary teacher candidates could explain using the meaning of the terms, 2 gave the correct rule, 5 gave an incorrect rule, and 2 didn't know. 4 of the secondary candidates could explain using the meaning of the terms and 5 only gave the correct rule, e.g.; "You can't divide by zero . . . It's just something to remember," but gave no further justification when probed. Some of the teacher who only gave the correct rule was math majors.

In most Elementary Education programs for prospective teachers, such as the one at the Towson State University in Maryland, it is required to take four math courses, concepts of mathematics I and II, plus teaching mathematics in the elementary school, together with a supervised math-teaching experience session. While the standard is high, the main question is who educates our educators? Adding to this, doubling the existing difficulties for the teachers, the school systems hiring a teacher seems to be more concerned about "how he/she would handle violence in the classroom?" Unfortunately, it is a miserable story to tell.

There must be a conviction that mathematics teacher and researchers in mathematics education have much to learn from each other, especially at a time when the school and adult curricula are converging. Based on my experience, I offer the following three distinct headings:

· Recruitment: What can be done to encourage reluctant would-be mathematics teachers to take the plunge?

· Retention: What support do they need to enable them to become sufficiently competent, confident and comfortable with mathematics so that they can teach it to others?

· Re-training: What is it like teaching mathematics without a strong background in mathematics?

Unfortunately, mathematics has been fundamentally depersonalized to "something machines do" and that the meaningful response is that we need always to emphasis that mathematics has little value divorced from imagination. Machines will always do 'imaginationless' mathematics better than humans. But "mathematics imagination meld" is needed by society and it can become a fascinating subject for most children in the classroom.

Too many pupils now think that mathematics is boring. Mathematics can and must be made more fun, more relevant, and more challenging, for pupils and for teachers. The use of Internet interactive technology in the classroom can add a new and precious variety. This variety can help to engage and hold pupils' attention, and can raise the chances that the lesson will have been judged a success. The new interactive technology can help to attract and retain teachers by making the whole process more business-like, more efficient and more effective. However the provision of appropriate hardware, software and training remain expensive and intractable hindrances to progress.

There is a "math" video series [Harlan Meyer, Diamond Entertainment, 1996]. One is called Addition, then Subtraction, Multiplication and, of course, Division. The division segment of the series starts by misspelling the word quotient. Then the "star" of the video shows how to divide by using repeated subtraction; however, she asks "If I have 12 doggy bones and I take away 4 groups of 3 bones, how many will I have left?" She answers herself, "Right, four." But it was the "trick" she claimed for dividing by zero. Unfortunately, there are many instances like this, which sent your blood pressure through the roof. Zero is nothing. So just remember nothing INTO something is nothing. Teaching kids to count is fine, but teaching them what counts is best.

One may view "division" as a subtraction operation. When you write 20/5 = 4, what you really mean is that how many times you can subtract 5 from 20? And the answer is 4 times. That is why division is the "inverse" operation for multiplication, which is an addition. That is, 5 x 4 = 20, means, adds to itself 5, 4 times, and you will get 20. So dividing by "0" has no meaning, because the question: how many times you can subtract nothing from something? The question itself makes no sense. The act of dividing by zero is meaningless. Therefore, it does not make to ask further what is its result, whether it is indeterminate or not?

Zero is an important concept, so time should be spent establishing that from early age one has some understanding of zero; zero, nought, nothing - as ever, the language should be varied. In absence of a concept of zero there could have been only positive numerals in computation, the inclusion of zero in mathematics opened up a new dimension of negative numerals. Zero, when used as a counting number (such as zero defects), means that no such objects are present. A concept and symbol that connotes nullity represents a qualitative advancement of the human capacity of abstraction. As always, concepts are only real in their correct context.

Unfortunately, there are teachers who continue misleading students as the following argument illustrates: "When we multiply 4 times 3, what we're really doing is adding 3 plus 3 plus 3 plus 3. So, in a sense, multiplication is just really fast addition, right? Well, as it turns out, division is just really fast subtraction. So, if you're diving 12 by 3, the answer is the number of times you can subtract 3 from 12 before you get to zero (i.e., 12 - 3 - 3 - 3 = 0). So, the answer is 4. Now that you know that, imagine what happens if you try to divide 12 by 0. You start subtracting zeroes, you realize that you are doing it infinite times. So, division by zero is infinity."

But when you start subtracting zeroes, even infinite times, you never get down to zero! One should never divide by zero. Our high school curriculum should put more emphasis on mathematical modeling rather than maths which in most cases are merely "puzzle solving" which has nothing to do with students' lives. This will bring excitement in learning the language of mathematics and its applications.







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#147925 - 10/14/04 09:45 AM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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So, as we see Zero is a challenging concept to comprehend.
(for anyone who actually read through all of that, Bravo! )

Could there be a numerological definition/meaning to zero?
It seems numerology is a means to define our essence, or the essence of situations and experiences of our lives.
Zero represents the Void of the undefineable, yet the undefineable could have its essence all its own as well.

In Tarot The Fool is representitive of zero.
In Runes, we have The Blank Rune (the final Rune) described in the Book of Runes as :

The Unknowable
The Divine
Odin, the All-Father

Blank is the end, blank the beginning. This is the Rune of total trust and should be taken as exciting evidence of your most immediate contact with your own true destiny which, time and again, rises like the phoenix from the ashes of what we call Fate.
Here the unknowable informs you that It is in motion in your life. In that blankness is held undiluted potential. At the same time both pregnant and empty, the Rune comprehends the totality of being, all that is to be actualized.

Drawing the Blank Rune may bring to the surface our deepest fears: Will I fail? Will I be abandoned? Will it all be taken away? And yet our highest good, our truest possiblities and all our fertile dreams are held within that blankness.

Willingness and permitting are what this Rune requires, for how can you exercise control over what is not yet in form? The Blank Rune often calls for no less an act of courage than an empty-handed leap into the void. Drawing it is a direct test of faith.

********

So, there is definition in a way in the undefineable.

In life, if something is undefineable or unseen, we measure its existance by the lack of another. Example: Darkness is the absence of light. Evil the absence of God.

Therefore, the concept of the Void is more difficult for our minds to comprehend. How can something, which is no thing be All as well?
OUr logical minds grasp for tangible explainations where tangible explainations aren't entirely possible.

In spirituality there exists the Zero Point . When a Soul quits yearning in either direction of negative and positive polarities he may discover the neutral state of his Be ing.
This is the point of creation from which all possibilities are born.

In physics there exists the neutrino , which is neutral energy. As of yet, scientists are using methods of creating neutrinos in labs and transitting them outwards, in hopes of someday finding a mathematical theory to find its mass.
Neutrinos exist everywhere. Trillions of them are passing through your body each and every second.
So far, neutrinos are the least understood elementary particle we know that exists. Yet, in its mystery may be the very key to describing our very creation......neutral energy emitted from the neutrality of the Void before the Big Bang. Perhaps this is the Zero Point of our very creation. I always tend to believe the answer will be found from the questings of Science and Spirituality merged.

Any thoughts?


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#147926 - 10/15/04 02:45 AM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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How can something, which is no thing be All as well?
OUr logical minds grasp for tangible explainations where tangible explainations aren't entirely possible.


One tangible analogy for this concept that's always made sense to me is the Taoist concept of the "uncarved block."

Before the sculptor sets to work, the block of wood is "nothing," just a lump of wood. When he has finished, it is the bust of a person, or a model of a temple, or anything he sets his imagination and skill to. But in the process of sculpting, he adds nothing to the block that wasn't already there ... he merely removes some of what's there to allow the sculpture to "emerge" from the block, but it was there all along! And so was every other possible sculpture!

One could say the same thing for all the reality we perceive. Before there was "existence" there was the Void or nothingness. But all of reality "emerged" from that Void by the process of separating out what does not exist from what does.

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#147927 - 10/15/04 04:09 PM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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Hey Blue,

I'll read these big long posts someday. lol

I've been teasing the Microsoft kids (on the NG's) when they go on about older tech ways by saying to the op (original poster),

Don't listen to these guys, they are from the 90's.
It's the ZEROs, man!
They get prety defencive. lol

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#147928 - 10/17/04 12:40 AM Re: Zero [Re: Gregory]
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What Greg just said reminded me that it was from nothing that God created everything.

Also we have to stive to overcome the ego to the point that we are totally empty so that God can fill us up. It is at that point of total emptiness that we become one with God.

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Is the presence of nothing (reflecting non-existence) different from the absence of something (reflecting non-availability) or the absence of anything (reflecting non-existence)? Zero is a symbol for "not there" which is different from "nothing" "Not there" reflects that the number or item(s) exists but they are not just available. "Nothing" reflects nonexistence.




Oops maybe I should have read this first before posting. I'm not sure that my response applies to 0 if zero means "not there" rather than "nothing."


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#147929 - 10/17/04 12:57 AM Re: Zero [Re: moonflower]
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Connie,

The meaning of zero has been debated by both philosophers and scientists endlessly. In mathematics, this distinction is clarified by differentiating zero from null. What is null is not there, while zero has a definite mathematical existence related to infinity, and is essential in practical engineering equations that have concrete relevance in the "real world."

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#147930 - 10/17/04 04:48 AM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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Hello Lisa
Interesting for sure.
guess that saying "All or Nothing" could be posed as a statement or a Question when pondering 0 or Zero.
Just wanted to add some ideas, as I did read your posts..

In numerology 0 = 7 (the Hebrew/Chaldean system)
The letters of the word Zero add to 21 'The Universe'
In Star Signs numerology LG attributed 0 to the Sun Sign Scorpio,ruler Pluto and related the power of 0's in Love Signs (the more added the greater the amount becomes) money was the example I think.(notice all the 0's in most of those words too).
Also the number 8 was seen to be 2 circles or Zeros.
The word Circle adds to 17 then reduces to 8..
The word Circles adds to 20, and I guess seen in the Light of symbolism 20 translates as 2 circle 0 or Zero
Two 0's. 20 is symbolised as 'the awakening'

As time is not linear to view this you would return to the point where you started, so Ive read.To cut a rubber band, or any circular object just for demonstration sake, you would be able to lay it down as a flat line,its not circular anymore its a line.
guess thats my spiraling for the day, gotta go
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#147931 - 10/17/04 10:37 AM Re: Zero [Re: CRAZY DAISY]
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In words, a double negative is a positive ("not nothing" is "something"); while in mathematics, a double zero (side by side) is infinity!

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#147932 - 10/17/04 12:04 PM Re: Zero [Re: Gregory]
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I don't know how you did it, Lisa!
You're first post here was at 11:11, and the date...
is a 2+9=11...Cool!

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#147933 - 10/17/04 05:15 PM Re: Zero [Re: lightwave]
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Bluedove,

Good work. Nice to see someone posting information on numbers again. You and the others have posted a lot on zero, the number of the beginning and the end, the serpent eating its own tail.


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#147934 - 10/17/04 10:31 PM Re: Zero [Re: Gregory]
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Greg thanks
yes that was my point, the 2 0's side by side, Infinity..
it also did occur to me before posting, that the word 'circles' could be misconstrued as any amount of 0's.
But the numerology description seemed to fall into place.

The word moon is a good example symbolism wise, the eclipses of the sun and moon





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#147935 - 10/18/04 01:47 AM Re: Zero [Re: CRAZY DAISY]
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20 The Awakening, is also refered to as
The Judgement, 'what goes round comes round'.guess thats obvious..so no I didnt really want to state the obvious but thoht of this..

The link below is
reading the taoist concept of the carved block again seemed to trigger off this conversation between Alice and the March Hare, check out the Mad Hatters comment......



Take some more tea," the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly.


"I've had nothing yet," Alice replied in an offended tone: "so I can't take more."


"You mean you can't take less," said the hatter:
"it's very easy to take more than nothing."

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#147936 - 10/18/04 02:10 AM Re: Zero [Re: CRAZY DAISY]
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Hello EveryOne

wow.......where to begin?
Your contributions are more then expected.

The "uncarved block".
Cool to have an image in your mind to go forth from as that does. And to further imagine something as mallible as clay, where not only may you take away from to create, but you may add to as well. The creations are really limitless......as zero portends.

Mom, overcoming the ego, as you wrote, describes the zero point I mentioned. It seems in life, we cultivate layers upon layers of negative and positive over time. There comes a point when the layers are too much, and cloud our vision of what can and should Be. There is great need to neutralize our souls once again. To bring ourSelves back to our pure and neutral state, where we are once again free to 'fill' ourSelves once again from a clearer place within. Hopefully this time around a bit more selective of our layers.

Crazy Daisy, interesting zero adds to 21~ The Universe~ The Crown of Magi.
"The Ancients potrayal of the number 21 card is the World, symbolizing completion, a wholeness and a unification with the Divine Spirit, a oneness with the Creator." (Star Cards)

Always cool how numerology works.....again and again. The Divine Creator is associated with zero as well. I got this off the web:

Could Zero be the Number of Our Ultimate Creator?
Once we begin to consider the forces of creation, destruction, and universal change, a discussion of an ultimate creative Being is usually not far behind. Some folks may refer to this ultimate creative Being as "God". Certainly, the concept of our creator being aligned with the number zero is not a new proposition. There are many spiritual and religious belief systems, past and present, who link their concept of God ("the Creator") to the boundless nature of the number zero. The nature of God is often described as "pure potentiality", or "formless and void." In the book of Exodus, God tells Moses "Where I am there is no thing." Therefore, if all creation emerges from a void, as so many others and we have suggested, then it is reasonable to associate the totality of the void (0) to the creative force that brings creations out of its emptiness.



To me, zero could also represent Now. Where All is BeFore and EverAfter. We are always in a current state of Now.....where always is the potential of a clean slate, impending future creation.
The Future BeComes Now.........as so we are always at Beginning.
We are always existing within the Void.

What an exhilaratingly exciting, yet fearful place......the Void.
Quote:

The Blank Rune calls for no less an act of courage then an empty-handed leap into the void. Drawing it is a direct test of faith.



That sentence strikes me so........it's so intense.
I want to be there...........to leap. Oh, to feel that Alive !
Can you feel it?

I was thinking of zero as point of balance........but is it really balance?
I thought of a poem I wrote......say, about 15 yrs. old or so:

Black/White
Dark/Light
Earth/Skies
Truth/Lies
Dionysis/Apollo
Lead/Follow
Love/Hate
Control/Fate

Balance is the True Wisdom.

Something about that poem always bothered me......couldn't quite put a finger on it. It was one of those poems that just came 'out of the air', and I read it afterwards, just as someone else reading it for the first time.........perplexed.
Truth/Lies, Love/Hate seemed strange especially........
Why would you want to 'balance' Lies or Hate?
Wouldn't you want to dispel of them altogether?

I realized I was thinking of the word balance in the wrong way. If you are thinking of balance as a verb, meaning to even out or harmonize opposing things, then it doesn't make sense or fit. But to think of balance instead as the zero point of neutrality, where you are neither one or the other, but open to All, then it takes on a whole new meaning.
(little did I know way back then that I would
discover zero one day.)

Hello shaman. Good to see you here.

Rena, I noticed 11:11 time afterwards, but didn't notice the date.
BlueDove is 11 as well.






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#147937 - 10/18/04 09:53 AM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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Could Zero be the Number of Our Ultimate Creator?


This reminds me of a cartoon I saw years ago. It's meant to be a joke, not a philosophical speculation ... but then Truth is found in the most unlikely places sometimes.

The cartoon showed a couple of explorers observing some scantily-clad tribal natives at worship. There is an enormous stone carving of the numeral "0," and the natives are bowing down before it. One of the explorers turns to the other, and says, "Is nothing sacred?"

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#147939 - 10/18/04 12:08 PM Re: Zero [Re: WriteOn]
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Greg and Maria,

The Cosmic Egg....love it.

Crazy Daisy, we were posting the same time.
I'll look over that link later on when I have more time.
thanks.

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#147940 - 10/19/04 12:16 AM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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Quite the Topic for No Thing.
Encircled in It Self...destined to repeat Perpetually the boundaries It Creates... :
Seeking Only to.....continue...um,
Flowing through It Self....with in It Self.
Carefully constructing it's purfect Center...availing Only Space to perceive and Witness.
Granting Vast Allowance to the Finite of the Realm. Invoking Imagination from the Whole Absolute....as to the possibilities of No Thing.
This uncarved Thought of Existence emotes in the Absence of Mathematics and Will....the participation of A Beholder...figures and factors, Square Roots of decimals and quadrants....
The UniCenter of the Whole is the Combination to All that Exists, with our Being the Key

If Less is more, than No Thing is Every Thing.

"Here I am. Stuck in the Middle with You..."



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#147941 - 10/20/04 12:59 AM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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Hello Maria
hows it going Chalden



Lisa yes we were online at the same time. those star cards are very revealing, Ive only had a chance to read but a few of the interps, 11 and 12 being two of them, and now what you have added of 21..
Im hearing you on the 'void' and that leap of faith, the blank rune seemed to come up for me quite a bit.
Being in the now of the moment, the eternal now,a cool concept when all the synchros keep happening.Great if you can stay open to it and not get too unbalanced ..

that link is from a topic called 'logic diagrams'.

As 0=7 in numerology (Hebrew Chaldean system) this description of Pisces, ruler Neptune is revealing..

The constellation of Pisces falls immediately before the vernal equinox. In terms of the psyche it symbolizes that inner, shadowy world in which we talk either with God or the Devil. In horoscopic terms this translates as a highly impressionable and receptive nature lacking firmness. Its traditional ruling planet was Jupiter, to which Neptune was added after its discovery. The astrological period of the triad of watery signs may be compared with the Winter floods and the waves which wash away and cleanse, as well as with the anonymous and moving mass of the oceans into which all things are plunged. Here the Moist holds undisputed sway as the principle which diffuses, dilutes, enfolds and welds individual parts into one whole, the latter being as wide as the vastness flowing around us, even as the infinity of the cosmic ocean. The constellation is depicted traditionally as a pair of fish back to back joined at their mouths by a Sort of umbilical cord. Under their influence we become part of that great universal tide and belong to the community of all peoples on Earth, like a drop of water in the ocean. We are placed, too, in an undifferentiated world, one without distinguishing marks, drowned and confounded in the obliteration of individuality to the benefit of the limitless, going from zero to infinity. The underlying fabric of the Piscean type is woven from an extremely pliable psyche. In their inner world, knots are untied, cohesive forces baffled and shapes blurred. There reigns an impressionistic atmosphere, conducive to the amorphous, the relaxed, emotional dilation and inflation by means of which the individual can escape from self to become interfused with the awareness of qualities surpassing the self, but enveloping it and making it part of a far wider structure. [p.757, "The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols", 1969, Jean Chevalier and Alain Gheerbrant" translated by John Buchanan-Brown, Penguin books].









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#147942 - 10/26/04 09:38 PM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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ZERO TOLERANCE!
This Zero thing is quite intriguing...allWays has been. To those who ponder into it's Void. It's Anti-Matter....not in the protest Way but the Mind of KnowMind.
A Place with Out...but a great Place to Start. The Center of No Thing but the True Inbodyment of All. See?...there it Is aGain.
The Sun and the Moon are Circling Orbs....as Well as the Others in this Perfect Spherical Rotation we Live in....The Eyes that watch them move....The Pupils who study the Skies and their Endless Race a Round....The Clocks that Watch them...and the gears that drive Time.
Ooops...anOther One.

The Person or the Egg....? Or is it the Embry-O? Who's to know?...Does Life start long before it begins?...
Somewhere in a swirling Force of Energy....transcending any Birth?...allowing the pOrtal to forever bear Hope that we may Witness this Great Way?
The Entry to what we call Life?
Merely a Time to count Numbers and calculate Predictions...all while Pondering how we got here through this No Thing.

How is it we do not Know the answers to such simple Questeons?
Surely we Wonder?
Was there Once a formvoila that we could Use?
One that would allow complete Understanding simply by casting the Spell? Or Evoking the Power? Or transcribing the sequence? Or permitting Zero thought?
THe Lost Word....somewhere cast into this Anti-Matter...this Void we came from. It's Out there....Mulder.

Hidden right between our Eyes.




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#147943 - 10/27/04 09:56 PM Re: Zero [Re: CRAZY DAISY]
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hello CD

Quite interesting peice you've found there. Pisces.....on the threshold of the Void.....once again onward to Aries, and round and back again. The symbol of Pisces itself, their mouths combined, breathing and flowing forever through each other..... Infinitly.

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We are placed, too, in an undifferentiated world, one without distinguishing marks, drowned and confounded in the obliteration of individuality to the benefit of the limitless, going from zero to infinity.






Back to the zero point, after obliteration........after the drowning and confusion of the Self......where we find ourselves Free and All limitless to erect and find ourselves again. Back to the cross road......Back to the Threshold.....Back to that Door........and wondering just what is on the other side. What is beyond zero?
There is no thing beyond zero..........until we create it.
So........why do we fear opening that door?
Why should we fear...........when there is no thing really there?

........just yet.

I imagine this place of wonder..........beyond that Door.......
a place swirling with Imaginations and Hopes and Dreams.......a place so easily filled with All we bring forth into it. It can be Any thing. What we create is what we Carry forth. Most often it is too difficult to leave All our Self behind.......so we carry..........and maybe each time, over and over again, we learn a bit more about Creation....our own power of Creation....and so we carry less and less forth that will hinder and more and more of what will grow.

The endless Spiral of Our Selves.





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#147944 - 10/27/04 10:47 PM Re: Zero [Re: Chahldean]
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hello Chahlie
well, welcome ,Wandering Star, back home once again.......to Zero.

Quote:

Encircled in It Self...destined to repeat Perpetually the boundaries It Creates...:




Quote:

The UniCenter of the Whole is the Combination to All that Exists, with our Being the Key




Already there, I See.

ZERO TOLERANCE! lol........Take a word.......tolerance...... and minus it and you are left With Out.
Zero compatibility, Zero Comprehension, Zero Compassion.
It's always Zero-something good.........reflecting our collective Negative correalation with Zero. But minus-something isn't bad.......when it's taken from the horrible. I suppose it's hard for our minds to imagine Zero into the negative.......You mean it can get worse?? See, even there our minds are drawn to the negative.......without even comprehending that Zero can move itself forward too.
That's what keeps us in that cozy, safe room behind the door.

DON'T OPEN THE DOOR!!

I just know I've seen that in a horror flick sometime, somewhere.

GROUND ZERO.

While surfing for Zero, I came across a zillion sites related to Ground Zero. It made me wonder.........what does it really mean? Why did they call it that?
It's a military term, of course:

ground zero
1. :the point directly above, below, or at which a nuclear explosion occurs.
2. :the center of origin of rapid, intense or violent activity or change.
3. :the very beginning : SQUARE ONE

#2 made me think of the Eye of a Hurricane.......the calm center with violence swirling all around. There's that zero point again.

And #3............wow. Back to the beginning.......square one.
Has anyone else noticed how zero always seems to somehow return to One? As if Zero is One.
All is No thing. No thing is All.
All is One.
Zero is No thing. Zero is All.
All is One........One is All.


If All in the Universe is One...........and Zero is All (as well as No Thing) too......then Zero and One are One in the same.

hmmmmm..........why do you suppose that is?
Could it really only be a round-about semantic assumption?




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#147945 - 10/27/04 11:03 PM Re: Zero [Re: Chahldean]
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I noticed as well in your post, Chahlie.....you began with zero and returned to One:

Quote:

A Place with Out...but a great Place to Start. The Center of No Thing but the True Inbodyment of All. See? There it Is aGain. The Sun and the Moon are Circling Orbs...as Well as the Others in the Perfect Spherical Rotation we Live in...The Eyes that watch them move...The Pupils who study the Skies and their Endless Race a Round....The Clocks that Watch them...and the gears that drive Time.
Ooops...anOther One.




All is a Circle.....Zero and One.

Yet is it really a Circle....or is it a Circle stretched out...an Infinate Slinky......A Spiral?

Spiral = 18

The Battle between the Material and the Spiritual.

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#147946 - 10/28/04 01:18 AM Re: Zero [Re: BlueDove]
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Zero is One eating its tail!

As a numeral, One is not Zero. But as Unity it is the undivided all, the unmanifested, complete in itself ... as is the void.

In duality there is always figure and ground, one and zero, what is and what is not. But in Unity what is and what is not are the same. Figure is not separated from ground. Everything is not separated from nothing, they are one and the same.

Love,
Greg
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#147947 - 10/28/04 01:48 AM Re: Zero [Re: Gregory]
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We see a physical world around us; we can touch it, feel it, weigh and measure it. When we see, light reflects from physical objects and is focused by our eyes on to nerves which are stimulated in corresponding patterns, and an image appears in our consciousness. But that image is not physical, it is consciousness ... awareness ... spirit. The only contact we can have with the physical world, whether by sight, sound, touch, smell or hearing, is through awareness of patterns reported through our senses; but that awareness is not matter, it is spirit. We can say it is caused by matter, but our knowledge of causality, too, is an attribute of consciousness.

When we do not recognize this, there can be "war" between matter and spirit, but when we see it as it is there can be no such war. Nothing that we can possibly be aware of is outside the realm of spirit, because the faculty of awareness is spirit.

Zero and One, spirit and matter. Matter is spirit.

Love,
Greg
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