Been questing the mysterious concept of Zero.
It's meaning seems to scope all ranges from 'nothingness' to 'infinity'.
As a number, it is often overlooked...in numerology as well as in mathematics, so this no doubt peeked my curiousity about it. That and having Sun at 0 degrees Sagittarius.
Astrologically I'm aware this is the crossing point of Scorpio/Sag.......but numerologically I have wondered if there could be more.

Here is some interesting stuff I found on zero, from a spiritual perspective and then a more mathematical perspective:

ZERO
Zero represents the Cosmic Egg, the primordial Androgyne---the Plenum. Zero as an empty circle depicts both the nothingness of death and yet the totality of life contained within the circle. As an ellipse the two sides represent ascent and descent, evolution and involution.

Before the One (meaning the Source--not the number) there is only Void, or non-being; thought; the ultimate mystery, the incomprehensible Absolute. Begins with meanings such as, Non-existence; nothingness; the unmanifest; the unlimited; the eternal. The absence of all quality or quantity.

Zero Point Merge


Cultural References
Taoism: It symbolizes the Void; non-being.

Buddhism: It is the Void and no-thingness.

Kabbalsim: Boundless; Limitless Light; the Ain.

Pathagoras saw zero as the perfect. Zero is the Monad, the originator and container of All.

Islamic: Zero is the Divine Essence.

Zero in Four Dimensions:
Historical, Psychological, Cultural,
and Logical Perspectives


Hossein Arsham
University of Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, 21201, USA
harsham@ubmail.ubalt.edu





Contents:
1. Introduction

2. Historical Perspective

3. Psychological Perspective

4. Cultural Perspective

5. Logical Perspective

6. Concluding Remarks

7. Notes, Further Readings, and References



Introduction
The introduction of zero into the decimal system in 13th century was the most significant achievement in the development of a number system, in which calculation with large numbers became feasible. Without the notion of zero, the descriptive and prescriptive modeling processes in commerce, astronomy, physics, chemistry, and industry would have been unthinkable. The lack of such a symbol is one of the serious drawbacks in the Roman numeral system. In addition, the Roman numeral system is difficult to use in any arithmetic operations, such as multiplication. The purpose of this article is to raise students, teachers and the public awareness of issues in working with zero by providing the foundation of zero form four different perspectives. Imprecise mathematical thinking is by no means unknown; however, we need to think more clearly if we are to keep out of confusions.

Our discomfort with the concepts of zero (and infinite) is reflected in such humor as 2 plus 0 still equals 2, even for large values, and popular retorts of similar tone. A like uneasiness occurs in confronting infinity, whose proper use first rests on a careful definition of what is finite. Are we mortals hesitant to admit to our finite nature? Such lighthearted commentary reflects an underlying awkwardness in the manipulation of mathematical expressions where the notions of zero and infinity present themselves. A common fallacy is that, any number divided by zero is infinity. It is not simply a problem of ignorance by young novices who have often been mangled. The same errors are commonly committed by seasoned practitioners, yea, and even educators! These errors frequently can be found as well in prestigious texts published by mainstream publishers.



Historical Perspective
Counting is as old as prehistoric man is, after he learned to count, man invented words for numbers and later still, symbolic numerals. The numeral system we use today originated with the Hindus. They were devised to go with the 10-based, or "decimal," method of counting, so named after the Latin word decima, meaning tenth, or tithe. The first popularizer of this notation was a Muslim mathematician, Al-Khwarizmi in the 9th century, however it took the new numbers about two centuries to reach Spain and then to England in a book called Craft of Nombrynge.

The Two Notions of Zero: The notion of zero was introduced to Europe in the Middle Ages by Leonardo Fibonacci who translated from Arabic the work of the Persian (from Usbekestan province) scholar Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn (al)-Khwarizmi. The word "algorithm," Medieval Latin 'algorismus', is a contamination of his name and the Greek word arithmos, meaning "number, has come to represent any iterative, step-by-step procedure. Khwarizmi in turn documented (in Arabic, in the 7th century) the original work of the Hindu mathematician Ma-hávíral as a superior mathematical construction compared with the then prevalent Roman numerals which do not contain the concept of zero. When these scholarly treatises were being translated by European accountants, they translated 1, 2, 3,.. upon reaching zero, they pronounced, "empty", Nothing! The scribe asked what to write and was instructed to draw an empty hole, thus introducing the present notation for zero.

Hindu and early Muslim mathematicians were using a heavy dot to mark zero's place in calculations. Perhaps we would not be tempted to divide by zero if we also express the zero as a dot rather that the 0 character.

Babylonians also used a zero, approximately at the same time as Egyptians, before 1500 BC. Certainly, zero's application in our base 10 decimal system was a step forward, as logarithms of Napier and others brought into use.

While zero is a concept and a number, Infinity is not a number; it is the name for a concept. Infinity cannot be considered as a number since it does not follow numbers' properties. For example, (infinity + 2) is not more than infinity. Since infinite is the opposite of finite, therefore whoever uses "infinite" must first give an indication for what is finite. For example, in the use of statistical tables, such as t-table, almost all textbooks denote symbol of infinity ( ) for the parameter of any t-distribution with values greater than 120. I share Cantor's view that "....in principle only finite numbers ought to be admitted as actual."

Aristotle considered the infinite, as something for which there is no exit in an attempt to pass through it. In his Physics: Book III, he wrote "It is plain, too, that the infinite cannot be an actual thing and a substance and principle."

Many writers have given much attention to clarifying the nature of the "infinite": what is it, how can we know anything about it, etc. Many constructively minded mathematicians such as David Hilbert choose to emphasize that we can restrict ourselves to the finite and thereby avoid many of these problems: this is the so-called "finitary standpoint".



Psychological Perspective
Zero as a concept, was derived, perhaps from the concept of a void. The concept of void existed in Hindu philosophy and the Buddhist concept of Nirvana, that is: attaining salvation by merging into the void of eternity. Ma-hávíral (born, around 850 BC) was a Hindu mathematician, unfortunately, not much is known about him. As pointed out by George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, "India, such a vast country, has no documented history." In the West, the concept of void and nothingness appeared first in the works of Arthur Schopenhauer during the 19th century, although zero as a number has been adapted much earlier.

The Arabic writing mathematicians not only developed decimal notation, they also gave irrational numbers, such as square root of 2, equal rights in the realm of Number. And they developed the language, though not yet the notation, of algebra. One of the influential persons in both areas was Omar Khayyam, known in the west more as a poet. I consider that an important point; too many people still believe that mathematicians have to be dry and uninteresting.

Initially, there was some resistance to accepting this significant modification to the time-honored Roman notation. Among the trite objections to leaving Roman numerals for the new notation was the difficulty in distinguishing between the numeral 1 and 7. The solution, still employed in Europe, was to use a cross-hatch to distinguish the numeral 7.

The introduction of the new system indisputably marked the democratization of mathematical computation by its simplicity and lack of mystery. Up to then the "abacus" was the champion. Abacus was a favorite tool for a few and praised by Socrates. The Greek's emphasis on geometry (i.e., measuring the land for agricultural purposes, the earth, thus the world geography) so kept them from perfecting number notation system. They simply had no use for zero.

Sacrilegious as it may sound on first impression, the notation of zero is at heart nothing more than a directional separator as in the case of a thermometer. It is, in actuality, "not there." For example, in order to express the number 206, a symbol is needed to show that there are no tens. The digit 0 serves this purpose. Zero became a part of the Natural Numbers System in the last century when Giuseppe Peano puts it in his first of five axioms for his number theory. One may think of an analogy. Zero is similar to the "color" black, which is not a color at all. It is the absence of color, while the Sun Light contains all the colors.

Zero is the only digit, which cannot stand-alone. It is a lonely number, lonelier than one. It requires some sort of companionship to give meaning to its life. It can go on the left. On the right. Or both ways! Or in the middle as part of a threesome. Witness "01", "10", or "102". Even "1000". A relationship with other numbers gives it meaning (i.e. it is a dependent number). By itself it is nothing!

When we write 10, we mean 1 ten and 0 ones. In some number systems, it would be redundant to mention the 0 ones, because zero means there are no objects there. Place value uses relative positions. So an understanding of the role of 0 as marking that a particular 'place' is empty is essential, as is its role of maintaining the 'place' of the other digits. The usage of zero here is more of a qualitative than quantitative. Therefore, it is called an operational zero.

Another colleagues who is writing a paper for symbolic logic on zero stated that "It seems to be it is 'nothing' in addition/subtraction, but if it is nothing then how can it effect numbers in multiplication? Also as to your comment on 2/0 being meaningless. I am wondering what the answer should be, if it can be more clearly defined), and why."

Here, my dear colleague has mixed the two distinct notions of zero: Zero as a number being used in our numerical systems AND as a concept for 'nothing'. As a result of this mixed-up, he is "wondering" at his own mental creature. We used to think that if we know one, we know the other. We are finding out that we must learn a great deal more about "AND".



Cultural Perspective
Judging from the treatment accorded to the concept of zero, we do practice a variety of avoidance mechanisms rather than confront the imagery associated with this seemingly difficult concept.

In reciting one's telephone number, social security number, postal zip code or post office box, room number, street number or any of a variety of other numeric nominals, we carefully avoid pronouncing the digit "zero" and instead substitute "oh." One may say "it is caused by our desire to communicate quickly, if we can say the same thing in one syllable, why not?" What about number seven, should we find a substitute for this too?

In some parts of the world, the phrasing "naught" and "aught" are used but it is quite uncommon to hear "zero." All the other digits are correctly enunciated with this one curious exception.

Is the presence of nothing (reflecting non-existence) different from the absence of something (reflecting non-availability) or the absence of anything (reflecting non-existence)? Zero is a symbol for "not there" which is different from "nothing" "Not there" reflects that the number or item(s) exists but they are not just available. "Nothing" reflects nonexistence.

Zero not only has the quality of being nothing, it is also a noun, verb, adverb, and an adjective as in "zero possibility". "We zeroed in on the cause," means we had isolated all the possibilities, and have discovered the one remaining. In this use as a verb, zero equals one. However, "The result was a big, fat, zero," uses the noun to express the idea of results of "nothing". Here, zero has the quality of not being there. Zero as an action appears in the Conservative Laws of physics.

Is zero a number? Consider the following scene:

Ernie: I've put a number of cookies in that Jar. You can have them if you give me your teddy.
Bert: Great While Ernie hands over the teddy and looks eagerly in the jar, said:
Bert "Wait a Minute There's No Cookies Here. You Said You Put a Number of Cookies in There"
Ernie: That's right, zero is a number.

Clearly some sort of an avoidance mechanism is in operation. It is as though the name itself invokes a kind of anxiety perhaps associated with "nothingness", a kind of emptiness which humankind finds uncomfortable and prefers to avoid confronting. As with all such anxiety- provoking ideas, some other imagery is substituted which provides a veneer to mask the disquieting emotional undertones of the discomforting idea. Zero represents the amount of nothing.

Today zero has a meaning not just of a number, but as the bottom, or failure. He made no baskets, or, he made zero baskets -- meaning he failed to score. Or he gave zero assistance.

If you are familiar with Numerology, you notice that there is no zero to work with in the numbers that correlate with the alphabet, strange? Not at all. The absence of zero may suggest that the Pythagorean who first developed the duality between numbers and letters were not aware of the zero notion. The notion of zero is much younger.

On the telephone keypad, zero has the honor of representing the operator. There is no zero in most games, such as plying cards (after all who wants to win zero!). Zero is placed at the end of the keypad on the computer and at the bottom of the keypad on the telephone. Is zero the beginning or the end? Notice that on a calculator's keypad the numbers starts with the largest numbers on the top and work their way down to zero. What about the o and 0 being right next to each other on the PC keyboard? Numbers are located three places. First it is located on the keyboard keys with the range 1, 2,...,0; this is the same order that phone keypad. Second, on the right of the keyboard is a calculator-like pad where zero is the last listed number. Finally, there is a list of functions key, however there is no F0 because that could translate into no function and what would be the point of having a key "without" function. There will always be questions about the true meaning and function of zero. Is it the end or the beginning? What does ground zero mean? Some use it as starting point; the military uses it as an ending point.

The resistance against zero can be noted even at the architectural level in buildings where the ground level is rarely denoted as the zeroth-level as it should be. However, for mathematicians it comes easily to label the floors of a building to include zero, for example, the Department of Mathematics' building at the University of Zagreb in Croatia has floors numbered as -1, 0, 1, 2, and 3. In fact, this is not a particularity of one building but a common practice in modern buildings in Spain and in Spanish speaking world such as Argentina. The feeling of comfort with zero in these countries could be due to the fact that the Islamic culture had more influence in Spain than any other European countries. Other countries do have a special word to say 'ground floor' in a conversation, not using a "0 button" for the ground floor.

Other Apparent Cultural Difficulties with Zero: It may be considered frivolous hyperbole to suggest that the demise of the Roman Empire was due to the absence of zero in its number system, but one can only ponder the fate of our civilization given the difficulty our culture seems to have with the presence of zero in our number system.

The notion of zero brings another wearying and yet intriguing questions: Is our current century the 20th century or the 21st century? According to the Holy Scriptures (see, Matthew chapter 2), King Herod was alive when Jesus was born, and Herod died in 4 BC. Does that mean the millennium actually started in 1996?

Ordinal numbers, which the Gregorian calendar uses, indicate sequence. Thus "A.D. 1" (or the first year A.D.) refers to the year that begins at the zero point and ends one year later. Think of a carpenter's ruler, if you will; the first inch is the interval between the edge and the one-inch mark. Thus, e.g., the millennium ended with the passing of the two-thousandth year, not with its inception. Cardinal numbers, which astronomers use in their calculations, indicate quantity. Zero is a cardinal number and indicates a value; it does not name an interval. Thus "zero" indicates the division between B.C. and A.D., not the interval of the first year before or after this point. Continuing with our example, put two rulers end to end: although there is a zero point, there is no "zero'th" inch.

As it stands now, we refer to years with ordinal numbers and to ages with cardinal numbers. Thus a child less than a year old is usually said to be so many weeks or months old, rather than "zero years old." If we changed over to this system for our calendar (referring to the age of our era, rather than to the order of the year), then there would be "zero years" for both A.D. and B.C.! That is to say, the last twelve months before the birth of Christ and the first twelve months after the birth of Christ would be the years 0 B.C. and A.D. 0 respectively.

The main confusion is between the notions of "time window length" and a "point in time". There is an interval between 0 and 1. Considering whether this century is 2000 or 2001, depends on whether you look at a number as a points on time or a time interval. Years are intervals; numbers are points. Therefore, it is always a mistake to treat years as points. For example, consider the old arithmetic question: John was born in 1985 and Jane in 1986.

How much older is John than Jane? The answer, of course, can be anywhere from a few seconds to two years, depending on when in those intervals the two people were born.

This is quite revealing of the cultural predilections of the time when the calendar was reorganized, first under the Julian scheme undertaken under the auspices of the Roman Emperor, Julius Caesar, after whom the month of July was named, and subsequently under the Gregorian calendar currently in use, which was devised during the reign of Pope Gregory. What is quietly yet magnificently revealed by this now-curious omission is the absence of the notion of zero in the numbering systems then in use. When the notion of zero was subsequently introduced in the west in the Middle Ages, it could hardly have been regarded as feasible to rewrite the entire calendar, if the debate occurred in the first place. Clearly then, our ideas about numbers permeate our culture.

The Babylonians, and Chinese did not have a symbol for zero. The word zero comes from the Arabic "al-sifer". Introduced to Europe during Italian renaissance in the 12th century by Leonardo Fibonacci (and by Nemorarius a less well-known mathematician) as "cifra" from which we have obtained our present cipher, meaning empty space. Sifer in turn is a translation of Hindi word "sunya" meaning void or empty. In Hindi "shunya" means zero. The terms aught, naught, and cipher are older names in English for zero symbol. In French "chiffre" means zero. It may also make you wonder that the word "cifra" in Russian means "written numbers." Similarly, "Ziffer" in German means one single written number; it is used in contrast to a single letter. Zero in German is called "Null". The ancient Egyptians never used a zero symbol in writing their numerals. Therefore there was no function for a zero in writing their numerals. The two applications of the zero concept used by ancient Egyptian scribes were:

1) as a zero reference point for a system of integers used on construction guidelines,

and

2) as a value that resulted from subtracting a number from an equal number.

It is quite extraordinary that neither the Egyptians nor the Greek were able to create a symbol to represent zero, or nothingness. The conceptual difficulty may have been that the zero is something that must be there in order to say that nothing is there. The Hindu-Arabic numerals were used for written calculations in the West not before the 12th century, when Arabic texts were translated into Latin.



Logical Perspective
Reading the seventh edition of a book on Management Science (Taylor [64]), I found the author dividing 2 by zero in the Simplex linear optimization tableau while performing a column ratio test, with the stated conclusion, 2 ÷ 0 = infinity ( ). A typographical error? Confusion? Willful sin? A telephone call bringing the obvious error to the attention of the publisher for correction in future editions was met with an astonishing return call from the editor of the text still insisting that 2 ÷ 0 = .

Although both the author and editor insist on this computational outcome, they nonetheless somehow decline to continue the Simplex calculation based on this result, contrary to the logic of their conclusion.

Questions I had were: How can you divide two by zero? Which number, when multiplied by zero, gives you 2?

Dividing by Zero Can Get You into Trouble: If we persist in retaining such errata in our educational texts, an unwitting or unscrupulous person could utilize the result to show that 1 = 2 as follows:

(a).(a) - a.a = a2 - a2

for any finite a. Now, factoring by a, and using the identity
(a2 - b2) = (a - b)(a + b) for the other side, this can be written as:

a(a-a) = (a-a)(a+a)

dividing both sides by (a-a) gives

a = 2a

now, dividing by a gives

1 = 2, Voila!

This result follows directly from the assumption that it is a legal operation to divide by zero because a - a = 0. If one divides 2 by zero even on a simple, inexpensive calculator, the display will indicate an error condition.

Again, I do emphasize, the question in this Section goes beyond the fallacy that 2/0 is infinity or not. It demonstrates that one should never divide by zero [here (a-a)]. If one does allow oneself dividing by zero, then one ends up in the Hell. That is all.

It seems apparent that the zero paradox should be broken into to areas: mathematical and physical. Not only is the need to define zero, but infinity as well. For some it is not a question of whether it exists, but merely what the definite result is."

One must make a clear distinction between the abstract concepts and the concrete concepts as well as their useful implications in modeling process of reality. Therefore, one must engage in investigating mathematical knowledge, especially the relation between conceptual and applied (procedural) knowledge. The distinction between these knowledge types is possible at a theoretical, epistemological and terminological level. One may classified them according to their different approach to a given problem:

Applied knowledge: How to get from where one is to where one wants to go in a finite number of steps.

Conceptual knowledge: How to get from where one is to where one wants to go in a finite or an infinite number of steps, or a leap without any steps at all.

An example of conceptual knowledge would be
Where one is: natural numbers
Where one wants to go: the end of them
How: Infinite number of steps.

For the applied knowledge it would be
Where one is: natural numbers
Where one wants to go: the end of them
How: In a finite number of steps depends on what calculator you are using.

As you see, conceptuality is subjective while realization is objective. Most conceptuality is metaphysical; while reality is mostly physical. One must recall that: being definite has the property of being definable.

The origin of the fallacy that any number divided by zero is equal to infinity goes back to the work of Bháskara, an Hindu mathematician who wrote in the 12th century that "3/0 = , this fraction, of which the denominator is cipher is termed an infinite quantity". He made this false claim in connection with an attempt to correct the wrong assertion made earlier by Brahmagupta of India that A / 0 = 0.

Notice that by this fallacy one tries to define "infinity" in terms of zero. Unfortunately, similar practices seem to prevail to the present day. A similar fallacy exists for logarithms of zero which is believed by many to be (negative) infinity.

Is Zero Either Positive or Negative? Natural numbers are positive integer numbers. One horse, two trees, etc. However, the arrival of zero caused the inevitable rise of the even more nefarious numbers: The negative numbers.

What about negative numbers? The negative sign is an extension of the number system used to indicate directionality. Zero must be distinguished from nothing. Zero belongs to the integer set of numbers. Zero is neither positive nor negative but psychologically it is negative. The concept of zero represents "something" that is "not there," while zero as a number represents the lowest of all non-negative numbers. For example, if a person has no account in a bank, his/her account is nothing (not there). If he/she has an account, he/she may have an account-balance of zero.

A high school teacher told me that "...In High school Algebra books they like to teach about numbers. You know whole numbers, natural numbers, rational numbers, irrational numbers, and integers to name a few. The problem that I often run across is where does the zero fit in. For instance 'a positive integer', does this include zero? We know that whole numbers include 0, but it is a positive whole number..."

She is right, unfortunately some algebra books are confusing on categorizing zero in our numerical systems. However, the accepted and widely use categories for inclusion of zero as a positive number is "non-negative integers", while for excluding it from positive integer the terminology "positive integers" is used. Similarly, for the real numbers involving zero, the following four categories: "positive", "negative", "non-negative" and "non-positive" are being used. The last two categories include zero, while the first two exclude zero, respectively. Therefore, as you see, the first two sets are the subsets of the last two, respectively.

Talking to another high school teacher, he stated that ".. I always thought and believed that zero is neither positive nor negative. It's only when we used the book International Student (7th Ed., by Lial, Hornsby, and Miller, Addison Wesley, 1999, page 6) that:

when they presented inverse property of addition

a + (-a) = 0

they wrote these:

Number Additive Inverse
6 -6
-4 -(-4) or 4
2/3 -2/3
0 -0 or 0

This is rather confusing to me and to my students because I told them that zero is neither positive nor negative, then why did these authors attach a negative sign on zero?

I looked at other books and I found another one Modern Algebra and Trigonometry (3rd Ed., by Elbridge Vance, 1995), that when he also presented Existence of Additive inverses (axiom 6A), in one of his statements he wrote: 0 = -0.

All these are confusing. It is also a difficult and uncomfortable situation when a knowledgeable teacher want to correct the textbook, and the students taking the textbook as the ultimate authority as if it's a Bible. One may like to remind them by mentioning that the purpose of education is the critical thinking for oneself.

The additive inverse of any number is a unique number. Therefore, the additive inverse of 0 cannot be " -0, or 0". (Thanks goodness! they did not include, double zeroes -00, and 00, etc.)

Moreover, the additive inverse of zero is itself. This property of zero also characterizes the zero (i.e., no other number has such nice property).

Furthermore, zero is the Null element for addition. Any operation has a unique Null. The inverse of a Null element for any operation is itself. For example, the Null element for both multiplication and division operations is 1.

Is Zero an Even or Odd Number? If one defines evenness or oddness on the integers (either positive or all), then zero seems to be taken to be even; and if one only defines evenness and oddness on the natural numbers, then zero seems to be neither. This dilemma is caused by the fact that the concepts of even and oddness predated zero and the negative integers. The problem posed by this question is that zero is not to be really a number not that it is even or odd.

Most modern textbooks apply concepts such as "even" only to "natural numbers," in connection with primes and factoring. By "natural numbers" they mean positive integers, not including zero. Those who work in foundations of mathematics, though, consider zero a natural number, and for them the integers are whole numbers. From that point of view, the question whether zero is even just does not arise, except by extension. One may say that zero is neither even nor odd. Because you can pick an even number and divide it in groups, take, e.g., 2, which can be divided in two groups of "1", and 4 can be divided in two groups of "2". But can you divide zero? That's why there are so many "questions."

If you feel that the question if zero is an even number is of no practical value at all, let me quote the following news from the German television news program (ZDF) "Heute" on Oct. 1, 1977:

Smog alarm in Paris: Only cars with an odd terminating number on the license plate are admitted for driving. Cars with an even digit terminating were not allowed to be driven. There were problems: Is the terminating number 0 an even number? Drivers with such numbers were not fined, because the police did not know the answer.

"Is zero odd or even? One of my students suggested a convention, i.e. a useful unproved mechanism which makes her feel better, that zero is indeed Even! She offered two arguments:

A1: "Odd" numbers are spaced two apart. So are "even" numbers. Proceeding downward, 8,6,4,2,0,-2,-4 .. should all be considered Even. While odd numbers 9,7,5,3,1,-1,-3 ... skip over zero in a most stubborn manner.

A2: Let two softball teams play a game, with each player betting one dollar a run to the opposing team. Further presume that no runs are scored (due to beer consumption) and no extra innings are allowed because it got dark.

The final score is zero to zero. If a player is asked by his wife whether he won or lost, he would probably indicate that he "broke even". As the old math teacher said: " Proof? Why any fool can see that."

These issues make themselves strongly felt in the classroom, textbook, in the frequent mishandling of the notion of zero by the novice and professional alike and therefore recommend themselves to our attention. These are among many issues of how to teach these concepts to students at early age.

Continuous data come in the forms of Interval or Ratio measurements. The zero point in an Interval scale is arbitrary. The different scales for measuring temperature all have a zero, yet each has a different value! For example, on a Celsius thermometer, zero is set at the temperature at which pure water freezes at the sea level altitude. While zero degrees Fahrenheit is 32 ° degrees below freezing, and finally absolute zero is the theoretical point at which molecular movement ceases. Therefore, since the absolute temperature can be created in the laboratory, it is only a concept. So, here one must accept that the meaning of zero is relative to its context. Now the question is: does 80 ° degrees Fahrenheit temperature implies it's twice as hot as when it's 40 ° degrees? The answer is a No. Why not?

Recently one of my students asked me "I want to know what the opposite of zero is." Well, not everything has an opposite. The concept of opposite is a human invention in order to make the world manageable, there is no real opposite in nature. Is day opposite of night? Is male opposite of female, or they are complementary to each other? What is the opposite of color blue? Here we must be cautious when we ask about apposite of zero. The difference is between quality (which is a concept) versus quantity (which a number). For example, what is "minus red?" or what is opposite of red? However, in the context of the real line, you can say that the opposite of zero is itself, while the opposite of +2 is -2 with respect to the origin point 0, as both have the same distance from the origin while one in on its right-side and the other on the left-side. This definition is acceptable if you accept the opposite of left is the right. What is the opposite of 1/2? If you say, it's 2, then 0 has no opposite.



Concluding Remarks
Unfortunately I find that the act of dividing by zero is not at all an uncommon practice. Many references in applied mathematics can be found committing this and other errors. And if educators profess division by zero as an appropriate mathematical practice, they should not be surprised to see this error persist among their students just as the teachers themselves learned this practice from their own teachers. You might think, as one of my colleagues from Eastern Europe believed that "... the Anglo-Saxons culture do not have a way with numbers." While respecting this opinion, unfortunately, I found that this error is not limited to a particular culture. In fact, it is the problem often initiated by our educators worldwide. For example, in the textbook for Educacion Mathematica by Gracia, et al. [1989, page 138], which is widely used in Spanish speaking Schools of Education, you will find that the function y = 1/(X2 - 1), evaluated at X = -1 is 952380952. Where did this number come from? The right question one might ask is who educates our educators?

Ball [7] interviewed 10 elementary and 9 secondary teachers, asking, "Suppose that a student asks you what 7 divided by 0 is. How would you respond? Why is that what you'd say?" What she found was that 1 of the 10 elementary teacher candidates could explain using the meaning of the terms, 2 gave the correct rule, 5 gave an incorrect rule, and 2 didn't know. 4 of the secondary candidates could explain using the meaning of the terms and 5 only gave the correct rule, e.g.; "You can't divide by zero . . . It's just something to remember," but gave no further justification when probed. Some of the teacher who only gave the correct rule was math majors.

In most Elementary Education programs for prospective teachers, such as the one at the Towson State University in Maryland, it is required to take four math courses, concepts of mathematics I and II, plus teaching mathematics in the elementary school, together with a supervised math-teaching experience session. While the standard is high, the main question is who educates our educators? Adding to this, doubling the existing difficulties for the teachers, the school systems hiring a teacher seems to be more concerned about "how he/she would handle violence in the classroom?" Unfortunately, it is a miserable story to tell.

There must be a conviction that mathematics teacher and researchers in mathematics education have much to learn from each other, especially at a time when the school and adult curricula are converging. Based on my experience, I offer the following three distinct headings:

· Recruitment: What can be done to encourage reluctant would-be mathematics teachers to take the plunge?

· Retention: What support do they need to enable them to become sufficiently competent, confident and comfortable with mathematics so that they can teach it to others?

· Re-training: What is it like teaching mathematics without a strong background in mathematics?

Unfortunately, mathematics has been fundamentally depersonalized to "something machines do" and that the meaningful response is that we need always to emphasis that mathematics has little value divorced from imagination. Machines will always do 'imaginationless' mathematics better than humans. But "mathematics imagination meld" is needed by society and it can become a fascinating subject for most children in the classroom.

Too many pupils now think that mathematics is boring. Mathematics can and must be made more fun, more relevant, and more challenging, for pupils and for teachers. The use of Internet interactive technology in the classroom can add a new and precious variety. This variety can help to engage and hold pupils' attention, and can raise the chances that the lesson will have been judged a success. The new interactive technology can help to attract and retain teachers by making the whole process more business-like, more efficient and more effective. However the provision of appropriate hardware, software and training remain expensive and intractable hindrances to progress.

There is a "math" video series [Harlan Meyer, Diamond Entertainment, 1996]. One is called Addition, then Subtraction, Multiplication and, of course, Division. The division segment of the series starts by misspelling the word quotient. Then the "star" of the video shows how to divide by using repeated subtraction; however, she asks "If I have 12 doggy bones and I take away 4 groups of 3 bones, how many will I have left?" She answers herself, "Right, four." But it was the "trick" she claimed for dividing by zero. Unfortunately, there are many instances like this, which sent your blood pressure through the roof. Zero is nothing. So just remember nothing INTO something is nothing. Teaching kids to count is fine, but teaching them what counts is best.

One may view "division" as a subtraction operation. When you write 20/5 = 4, what you really mean is that how many times you can subtract 5 from 20? And the answer is 4 times. That is why division is the "inverse" operation for multiplication, which is an addition. That is, 5 x 4 = 20, means, adds to itself 5, 4 times, and you will get 20. So dividing by "0" has no meaning, because the question: how many times you can subtract nothing from something? The question itself makes no sense. The act of dividing by zero is meaningless. Therefore, it does not make to ask further what is its result, whether it is indeterminate or not?

Zero is an important concept, so time should be spent establishing that from early age one has some understanding of zero; zero, nought, nothing - as ever, the language should be varied. In absence of a concept of zero there could have been only positive numerals in computation, the inclusion of zero in mathematics opened up a new dimension of negative numerals. Zero, when used as a counting number (such as zero defects), means that no such objects are present. A concept and symbol that connotes nullity represents a qualitative advancement of the human capacity of abstraction. As always, concepts are only real in their correct context.

Unfortunately, there are teachers who continue misleading students as the following argument illustrates: "When we multiply 4 times 3, what we're really doing is adding 3 plus 3 plus 3 plus 3. So, in a sense, multiplication is just really fast addition, right? Well, as it turns out, division is just really fast subtraction. So, if you're diving 12 by 3, the answer is the number of times you can subtract 3 from 12 before you get to zero (i.e., 12 - 3 - 3 - 3 = 0). So, the answer is 4. Now that you know that, imagine what happens if you try to divide 12 by 0. You start subtracting zeroes, you realize that you are doing it infinite times. So, division by zero is infinity."

But when you start subtracting zeroes, even infinite times, you never get down to zero! One should never divide by zero. Our high school curriculum should put more emphasis on mathematical modeling rather than maths which in most cases are merely "puzzle solving" which has nothing to do with students' lives. This will bring excitement in learning the language of mathematics and its applications.







Issue 5: January 2002



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So, as we see Zero is a challenging concept to comprehend.
(for anyone who actually read through all of that, Bravo! )

Could there be a numerological definition/meaning to zero?
It seems numerology is a means to define our essence, or the essence of situations and experiences of our lives.
Zero represents the Void of the undefineable, yet the undefineable could have its essence all its own as well.

In Tarot The Fool is representitive of zero.
In Runes, we have The Blank Rune (the final Rune) described in the Book of Runes as :

The Unknowable
The Divine
Odin, the All-Father

Blank is the end, blank the beginning. This is the Rune of total trust and should be taken as exciting evidence of your most immediate contact with your own true destiny which, time and again, rises like the phoenix from the ashes of what we call Fate.
Here the unknowable informs you that It is in motion in your life. In that blankness is held undiluted potential. At the same time both pregnant and empty, the Rune comprehends the totality of being, all that is to be actualized.

Drawing the Blank Rune may bring to the surface our deepest fears: Will I fail? Will I be abandoned? Will it all be taken away? And yet our highest good, our truest possiblities and all our fertile dreams are held within that blankness.

Willingness and permitting are what this Rune requires, for how can you exercise control over what is not yet in form? The Blank Rune often calls for no less an act of courage than an empty-handed leap into the void. Drawing it is a direct test of faith.

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So, there is definition in a way in the undefineable.

In life, if something is undefineable or unseen, we measure its existance by the lack of another. Example: Darkness is the absence of light. Evil the absence of God.

Therefore, the concept of the Void is more difficult for our minds to comprehend. How can something, which is no thing be All as well?
OUr logical minds grasp for tangible explainations where tangible explainations aren't entirely possible.

In spirituality there exists the Zero Point . When a Soul quits yearning in either direction of negative and positive polarities he may discover the neutral state of his Be ing.
This is the point of creation from which all possibilities are born.

In physics there exists the neutrino , which is neutral energy. As of yet, scientists are using methods of creating neutrinos in labs and transitting them outwards, in hopes of someday finding a mathematical theory to find its mass.
Neutrinos exist everywhere. Trillions of them are passing through your body each and every second.
So far, neutrinos are the least understood elementary particle we know that exists. Yet, in its mystery may be the very key to describing our very creation......neutral energy emitted from the neutrality of the Void before the Big Bang. Perhaps this is the Zero Point of our very creation. I always tend to believe the answer will be found from the questings of Science and Spirituality merged.

Any thoughts?


Lisa

Hey Blue,

I'll read these big long posts someday. lol

I've been teasing the Microsoft kids (on the NG's) when they go on about older tech ways by saying to the op (original poster),

Don't listen to these guys, they are from the 90's.
It's the ZEROs, man!
They get prety defencive. lol

later,

Darwin

What Greg just said reminded me that it was from nothing that God created everything.

Also we have to stive to overcome the ego to the point that we are totally empty so that God can fill us up. It is at that point of total emptiness that we become one with God.

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Is the presence of nothing (reflecting non-existence) different from the absence of something (reflecting non-availability) or the absence of anything (reflecting non-existence)? Zero is a symbol for "not there" which is different from "nothing" "Not there" reflects that the number or item(s) exists but they are not just available. "Nothing" reflects nonexistence.

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Oops maybe I should have read this first before posting. I'm not sure that my response applies to 0 if zero means "not there" rather than "nothing."


Love, Mom

Connie,

The meaning of zero has been debated by both philosophers and scientists endlessly. In mathematics, this distinction is clarified by differentiating zero from null. What is null is not there, while zero has a definite mathematical existence related to infinity, and is essential in practical engineering equations that have concrete relevance in the "real world."

Love,
Greg

Hello Lisa
Interesting for sure.
guess that saying "All or Nothing" could be posed as a statement or a Question when pondering 0 or Zero.
Just wanted to add some ideas, as I did read your posts..

In numerology 0 = 7 (the Hebrew/Chaldean system)
The letters of the word Zero add to 21 'The Universe'
In Star Signs numerology LG attributed 0 to the Sun Sign Scorpio,ruler Pluto and related the power of 0's in Love Signs (the more added the greater the amount becomes) money was the example I think.(notice all the 0's in most of those words too).
Also the number 8 was seen to be 2 circles or Zeros.
The word Circle adds to 17 then reduces to 8..
The word Circles adds to 20, and I guess seen in the Light of symbolism 20 translates as 2 circle 0 or Zero
Two 0's. 20 is symbolised as 'the awakening'

As time is not linear to view this you would return to the point where you started, so Ive read.To cut a rubber band, or any circular object just for demonstration sake, you would be able to lay it down as a flat line,its not circular anymore its a line.
guess thats my spiraling for the day, gotta go
CD

In words, a double negative is a positive ("not nothing" is "something"); while in mathematics, a double zero (side by side) is infinity!

Love,
Greg

I don't know how you did it, Lisa!
You're first post here was at 11:11, and the date...
is a 2+9=11...Cool!

Rena

Bluedove,

Good work. Nice to see someone posting information on numbers again. You and the others have posted a lot on zero, the number of the beginning and the end, the serpent eating its own tail.


Shaman

Greg thanks
yes that was my point, the 2 0's side by side, Infinity..
it also did occur to me before posting, that the word 'circles' could be misconstrued as any amount of 0's.
But the numerology description seemed to fall into place.

The word moon is a good example symbolism wise, the eclipses of the sun and moon

P.S
20 The Awakening, is also refered to as
The Judgement, 'what goes round comes round'.guess thats obvious..so no I didnt really want to state the obvious but thoht of this..

The link below is
reading the taoist concept of the carved block again seemed to trigger off this conversation between Alice and the March Hare, check out the Mad Hatters comment......



Take some more tea," the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly.


"I've had nothing yet," Alice replied in an offended tone: "so I can't take more."


"You mean you can't take less," said the hatter:
"it's very easy to take more than nothing."

www.maxmon.com/383bc.htm

Hello EveryOne

wow.......where to begin?
Your contributions are more then expected.

The "uncarved block".
Cool to have an image in your mind to go forth from as that does. And to further imagine something as mallible as clay, where not only may you take away from to create, but you may add to as well. The creations are really limitless......as zero portends.

Mom, overcoming the ego, as you wrote, describes the zero point I mentioned. It seems in life, we cultivate layers upon layers of negative and positive over time. There comes a point when the layers are too much, and cloud our vision of what can and should Be. There is great need to neutralize our souls once again. To bring ourSelves back to our pure and neutral state, where we are once again free to 'fill' ourSelves once again from a clearer place within. Hopefully this time around a bit more selective of our layers.

Crazy Daisy, interesting zero adds to 21~ The Universe~ The Crown of Magi.
"The Ancients potrayal of the number 21 card is the World, symbolizing completion, a wholeness and a unification with the Divine Spirit, a oneness with the Creator." (Star Cards)

Always cool how numerology works.....again and again. The Divine Creator is associated with zero as well. I got this off the web:

Could Zero be the Number of Our Ultimate Creator?
Once we begin to consider the forces of creation, destruction, and universal change, a discussion of an ultimate creative Being is usually not far behind. Some folks may refer to this ultimate creative Being as "God". Certainly, the concept of our creator being aligned with the number zero is not a new proposition. There are many spiritual and religious belief systems, past and present, who link their concept of God ("the Creator") to the boundless nature of the number zero. The nature of God is often described as "pure potentiality", or "formless and void." In the book of Exodus, God tells Moses "Where I am there is no thing." Therefore, if all creation emerges from a void, as so many others and we have suggested, then it is reasonable to associate the totality of the void (0) to the creative force that brings creations out of its emptiness.



To me, zero could also represent Now. Where All is BeFore and EverAfter. We are always in a current state of Now.....where always is the potential of a clean slate, impending future creation.
The Future BeComes Now.........as so we are always at Beginning.
We are always existing within the Void.

What an exhilaratingly exciting, yet fearful place......the Void.

Quote:

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The Blank Rune calls for no less an act of courage then an empty-handed leap into the void. Drawing it is a direct test of faith.

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That sentence strikes me so........it's so intense.
I want to be there...........to leap. Oh, to feel that Alive !
Can you feel it?

I was thinking of zero as point of balance........but is it really balance?
I thought of a poem I wrote......say, about 15 yrs. old or so:

Black/White
Dark/Light
Earth/Skies
Truth/Lies
Dionysis/Apollo
Lead/Follow
Love/Hate
Control/Fate

Balance is the True Wisdom.

Something about that poem always bothered me......couldn't quite put a finger on it. It was one of those poems that just came 'out of the air', and I read it afterwards, just as someone else reading it for the first time.........perplexed.
Truth/Lies, Love/Hate seemed strange especially........
Why would you want to 'balance' Lies or Hate?
Wouldn't you want to dispel of them altogether?

I realized I was thinking of the word balance in the wrong way. If you are thinking of balance as a verb, meaning to even out or harmonize opposing things, then it doesn't make sense or fit. But to think of balance instead as the zero point of neutrality, where you are neither one or the other, but open to All, then it takes on a whole new meaning.
(little did I know way back then that I would
discover zero one day.)

Hello shaman. Good to see you here.

Rena, I noticed 11:11 time afterwards, but didn't notice the date.
BlueDove is 11 as well.

Lisa

Quote:

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Could Zero be the Number of Our Ultimate Creator?

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This reminds me of a cartoon I saw years ago. It's meant to be a joke, not a philosophical speculation ... but then Truth is found in the most unlikely places sometimes.

The cartoon showed a couple of explorers observing some scantily-clad tribal natives at worship. There is an enormous stone carving of the numeral "0," and the natives are bowing down before it. One of the explorers turns to the other, and says, "Is nothing sacred?"

Love,
Greg

Greg and Maria,

The Cosmic Egg....love it.

Crazy Daisy, we were posting the same time.
I'll look over that link later on when I have more time.
thanks.

Lisa

Halo Mystes
Quite the Topic for No Thing.
Encircled in It Self...destined to repeat Perpetually the boundaries It Creates... :
Seeking Only to.....continue...um,
Flowing through It Self....with in It Self.
Carefully constructing it's purfect Center...availing Only Space to perceive and Witness.
Granting Vast Allowance to the Finite of the Realm. Invoking Imagination from the Whole Absolute....as to the possibilities of No Thing.
This uncarved Thought of Existence emotes in the Absence of Mathematics and Will....the participation of A Beholder...figures and factors, Square Roots of decimals and quadrants....
The UniCenter of the Whole is the Combination to All that Exists, with our Being the Key

If Less is more, than No Thing is Every Thing.

"Here I am. Stuck in the Middle with You..."



Chahlie

Hello Maria
hows it going Chalden



Lisa yes we were online at the same time. those star cards are very revealing, Ive only had a chance to read but a few of the interps, 11 and 12 being two of them, and now what you have added of 21..
Im hearing you on the 'void' and that leap of faith, the blank rune seemed to come up for me quite a bit.
Being in the now of the moment, the eternal now,a cool concept when all the synchros keep happening.Great if you can stay open to it and not get too unbalanced ..

that link is from a topic called 'logic diagrams'.

As 0=7 in numerology (Hebrew Chaldean system) this description of Pisces, ruler Neptune is revealing..

The constellation of Pisces falls immediately before the vernal equinox. In terms of the psyche it symbolizes that inner, shadowy world in which we talk either with God or the Devil. In horoscopic terms this translates as a highly impressionable and receptive nature lacking firmness. Its traditional ruling planet was Jupiter, to which Neptune was added after its discovery. The astrological period of the triad of watery signs may be compared with the Winter floods and the waves which wash away and cleanse, as well as with the anonymous and moving mass of the oceans into which all things are plunged. Here the Moist holds undisputed sway as the principle which diffuses, dilutes, enfolds and welds individual parts into one whole, the latter being as wide as the vastness flowing around us, even as the infinity of the cosmic ocean. The constellation is depicted traditionally as a pair of fish back to back joined at their mouths by a Sort of umbilical cord. Under their influence we become part of that great universal tide and belong to the community of all peoples on Earth, like a drop of water in the ocean. We are placed, too, in an undifferentiated world, one without distinguishing marks, drowned and confounded in the obliteration of individuality to the benefit of the limitless, going from zero to infinity. The underlying fabric of the Piscean type is woven from an extremely pliable psyche. In their inner world, knots are untied, cohesive forces baffled and shapes blurred. There reigns an impressionistic atmosphere, conducive to the amorphous, the relaxed, emotional dilation and inflation by means of which the individual can escape from self to become interfused with the awareness of qualities surpassing the self, but enveloping it and making it part of a far wider structure. [p.757, "The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols", 1969, Jean Chevalier and Alain Gheerbrant" translated by John Buchanan-Brown, Penguin books].

Even smileys are round.

ZERO TOLERANCE!
This Zero thing is quite intriguing...allWays has been. To those who ponder into it's Void. It's Anti-Matter....not in the protest Way but the Mind of KnowMind.
A Place with Out...but a great Place to Start. The Center of No Thing but the True Inbodyment of All. See?...there it Is aGain.
The Sun and the Moon are Circling Orbs....as Well as the Others in this Perfect Spherical Rotation we Live in....The Eyes that watch them move....The Pupils who study the Skies and their Endless Race a Round....The Clocks that Watch them...and the gears that drive Time.
Ooops...anOther One.

The Person or the Egg....? Or is it the Embry-O? Who's to know?...Does Life start long before it begins?...
Somewhere in a swirling Force of Energy....transcending any Birth?...allowing the pOrtal to forever bear Hope that we may Witness this Great Way?
The Entry to what we call Life?
Merely a Time to count Numbers and calculate Predictions...all while Pondering how we got here through this No Thing.

How is it we do not Know the answers to such simple Questeons?
Surely we Wonder?
Was there Once a formvoila that we could Use?
One that would allow complete Understanding simply by casting the Spell? Or Evoking the Power? Or transcribing the sequence? Or permitting Zero thought?
THe Lost Word....somewhere cast into this Anti-Matter...this Void we came from. It's Out there....Mulder.

Hidden right between our Eyes.




Chahlie

hello CD

Quite interesting peice you've found there. Pisces.....on the threshold of the Void.....once again onward to Aries, and round and back again. The symbol of Pisces itself, their mouths combined, breathing and flowing forever through each other..... Infinitly.

Quote:

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We are placed, too, in an undifferentiated world, one without distinguishing marks, drowned and confounded in the obliteration of individuality to the benefit of the limitless, going from zero to infinity.

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Back to the zero point, after obliteration........after the drowning and confusion of the Self......where we find ourselves Free and All limitless to erect and find ourselves again. Back to the cross road......Back to the Threshold.....Back to that Door........and wondering just what is on the other side. What is beyond zero?
There is no thing beyond zero..........until we create it.
So........why do we fear opening that door?
Why should we fear...........when there is no thing really there?

........just yet.

I imagine this place of wonder..........beyond that Door.......
a place swirling with Imaginations and Hopes and Dreams.......a place so easily filled with All we bring forth into it. It can be Any thing. What we create is what we Carry forth. Most often it is too difficult to leave All our Self behind.......so we carry..........and maybe each time, over and over again, we learn a bit more about Creation....our own power of Creation....and so we carry less and less forth that will hinder and more and more of what will grow.

The endless Spiral of Our Selves.

hello Chahlie
well, welcome ,Wandering Star, back home once again.......to Zero.

Quote:

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Encircled in It Self...destined to repeat Perpetually the boundaries It Creates...:

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Quote:

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The UniCenter of the Whole is the Combination to All that Exists, with our Being the Key

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Already there, I See.

ZERO TOLERANCE! lol........Take a word.......tolerance...... and minus it and you are left With Out.
Zero compatibility, Zero Comprehension, Zero Compassion.
It's always Zero-something good.........reflecting our collective Negative correalation with Zero. But minus-something isn't bad.......when it's taken from the horrible. I suppose it's hard for our minds to imagine Zero into the negative.......You mean it can get worse?? See, even there our minds are drawn to the negative.......without even comprehending that Zero can move itself forward too.
That's what keeps us in that cozy, safe room behind the door.

DON'T OPEN THE DOOR!!

I just know I've seen that in a horror flick sometime, somewhere.

GROUND ZERO.

While surfing for Zero, I came across a zillion sites related to Ground Zero. It made me wonder.........what does it really mean? Why did they call it that?
It's a military term, of course:

ground zero
1. :the point directly above, below, or at which a nuclear explosion occurs.
2. :the center of origin of rapid, intense or violent activity or change.
3. :the very beginning : SQUARE ONE

#2 made me think of the Eye of a Hurricane.......the calm center with violence swirling all around. There's that zero point again.

And #3............wow. Back to the beginning.......square one.
Has anyone else noticed how zero always seems to somehow return to One? As if Zero is One.
All is No thing. No thing is All.
All is One.
Zero is No thing. Zero is All.
All is One........One is All.


If All in the Universe is One...........and Zero is All (as well as No Thing) too......then Zero and One are One in the same.

hmmmmm..........why do you suppose that is?
Could it really only be a round-about semantic assumption?

I noticed as well in your post, Chahlie.....you began with zero and returned to One:

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A Place with Out...but a great Place to Start. The Center of No Thing but the True Inbodyment of All. See? There it Is aGain. The Sun and the Moon are Circling Orbs...as Well as the Others in the Perfect Spherical Rotation we Live in...The Eyes that watch them move...The Pupils who study the Skies and their Endless Race a Round....The Clocks that Watch them...and the gears that drive Time.
Ooops...anOther One.

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All is a Circle.....Zero and One.

Yet is it really a Circle....or is it a Circle stretched out...an Infinate Slinky......A Spiral?

Spiral = 18

The Battle between the Material and the Spiritual.

Zero is One eating its tail!

As a numeral, One is not Zero. But as Unity it is the undivided all, the unmanifested, complete in itself ... as is the void.

In duality there is always figure and ground, one and zero, what is and what is not. But in Unity what is and what is not are the same. Figure is not separated from ground. Everything is not separated from nothing, they are one and the same.

Love,
Greg

We see a physical world around us; we can touch it, feel it, weigh and measure it. When we see, light reflects from physical objects and is focused by our eyes on to nerves which are stimulated in corresponding patterns, and an image appears in our consciousness. But that image is not physical, it is consciousness ... awareness ... spirit. The only contact we can have with the physical world, whether by sight, sound, touch, smell or hearing, is through awareness of patterns reported through our senses; but that awareness is not matter, it is spirit. We can say it is caused by matter, but our knowledge of causality, too, is an attribute of consciousness.

When we do not recognize this, there can be "war" between matter and spirit, but when we see it as it is there can be no such war. Nothing that we can possibly be aware of is outside the realm of spirit, because the faculty of awareness is spirit.

Zero and One, spirit and matter. Matter is spirit.

Love,
Greg

Hi there Blue Dove
Cool Post, was here earlier when you made this reply to me..
your previous post about baggage we carry and shedding layers important too, had just read a newsletter about that just before reading your post.

Intersting isnt it that in the 12 initiations of Love, man and woman must pass through all initiations more than once to discover Love's deeper spiritual meaning..'Love adding to 21'
in Pisces it is to teach that Love is compassion and learn that Love is all, and so to realise at last that Love is Eternal...

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So........why do we fear opening that door?
Why should we fear...........when there is no thing really there?

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Piscean negative qualities of timidity,fear and apprehension, weakness of will..? just a thoht.

Something I meant to post, but havnt been back since the 19th..
"Runes" adds to 21 and "Odin" adds to 17..

CD

You guys have blown me away once again.

So much food for thought.........I really want to absorb this a while.

But for now.......

All matter comes from energy.


Off to wonder

Hello
hehe!!
did see Gregs posts afterwards, he made 2 to my 1 added the Letters of MATTER earlier that day...numerical value = 20

much
CD,
ps ENERGY adds to 21

Hi guys I'm all new to your site, so please bear with me... I need some advise on something... almost everytime I look at a watch the time is 2 min past the hour, at first it was only 7:02 but then it happened more and more with every hour. It's been going on for about 2 years and I really wish I knew why. It kind of freaks me out. Can anybody help please?

From Linda's Star Signs:

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The number 0 represents power (which is why it is the number of the planet Pluto, since Pluto is the most powerful of all the planets.) Add 0 to any number, and the more zeros you add, the more "powerful" the number becomes. From One to 10 to 100 to 1,000 to 100,000 to 1,000,000 and so on. The number 0 is considered to be the number of Eternity (the Eternal Now?)-- the serpant, eating its own tail. Positive energy feeding into negative energy, resulting in a third energy, which is both, yet neither, and all powerful.

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Now from Greg:

Quote:

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In duality there is always figure and ground, one and zero, what is and what is not . But in Unity what is and what is not are the same.

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Unity is therefore the third Energy? (Unity=17)

Linda again:

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The number 1 is the first number contemplated by our 3-legged stool man. It represents, according to the Ancients, the First Cause, the Creator, or God, call it what you like.

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As 0 represents Eternity and 1 represents God, when you add the two or take away....it matters not. Eternity and God=God again......All is One, everywhere.

I thought of what you wrote, Greg and instantaneously there was inner knowing from your words. By that, I mean.......it felt very right and felt as if it was a lost chord I had been searching for that was never really lost. (if that makes any sense.) But seeing the words and the feeling the words produced was very profound indeed.

Swirling matter...........is there a place that exists anywhere in this Infinate Universe that doesn't contain some form of Energy? There is potentiality for creation everywhere.
Even in the darkest places where we perceive that nothingness reigns. It is only because we cannot See.....we have not yet formed its existance from our Perceptions(Spirit),as you wrote. Here on Earth, matter comes to us so instantaneously before us,because of our amazingly quick connection from Vision to Mind, that we forget such things.......the wonder of the Power of our own Zero........the Power in Now. How matter is more then merely matter. But Breathing Energy. Thought is Energy.
Beyond this life here, I Truly believe that we shall create and manifest with a single thought. Instantly. Beautiful Worlds and Scenery beyond our Wildest earthly Imagination.
The Grandest Adventure Awaits Us.

Cat Stevens sang the perfect lyrics for zero, didn't he?
Oh,Life is like a maze of doors and they all open from the side you're on. Keep on pushing hard, boy, try as you may, you're gonna wind up where you started from.

And so why I wondered do we come here now....to discuss zero and one and the Infinate Power and Beauty of Our Creation?
Collectively, as a family, as a community, as a Nation, as a Continent, as the World.......we are All on this threshold of the Void Twogether.....as One. Not Knowing what is beyond the Door. A little weary of the long roads we've tread to get back here.........where it all began......where it's all beginning again. Trying our best to fight off Doubt and Fear and Hate.....learning that as we cross this threshold again, it is imperative that we cross over with Heart and Soul.....and Faith.......and Love. Now more than Ever.

As in after a Dark Night of the Soul, when you become aware of how very vulnerable the stage of the Soul is just then. How easily the Soul could succumb and break, or how easily the Soul could soar. The Imperative Choice. Succumb or Soar.

Negative energy exists beyond the door, as everywhere.
Maybe to Soar doesn't mean to "soar above it" or seperate from it........but to 'feed into' it, as Linda said. Not feed "off of it".....feed into it........with Heart .......until the Heart and All the rest become the third.......All again.

Welcome, Hippie_Fairy
Groovy name.


That is very strange.....2 minutes after?
I have no idea what that could mean.
Perhaps we'll figure something out here together.

My first thought was "2 minutes to midnight"......the CountDown to annihilation.
That is a sort of time table given to represent the events set in motion from the beginning of humankind until the end of our existence. For various reasons, including the invention of the Atomic Bomb we are just before midnight now, supposedly.
BUT......you are Seeing 2 minutes after .
mmm.......interesting.

We are Spirtual Beings
having a Physical Experience

http://www.awakeningpath.com/news/issue115/nd2.htm

Hi Blue Dove,

Jesus said He is the Alpha AND the Omega...1 AND 0. The beginning AND the end.... The Bible.. and other sacred texts have so much wisdom to offer us....and a lot of it is through numbers.

I liked the link you gave above.

Hi Lisa

Liked that link you gave also
Spiritual Beings having a 3D

btw..forgot to post this a while back

The ((((Hug))) can be written as XOXO
http://www.crystalinks.com/hug.html

Hello Dear Daisy & Shaman
Glad you enjoyed the link. I found it interesting, the mention of the Void as well.
In a hurry at the moment but will look your link over later after work.
Thanks for posting it.
Have a great day!

Lisa

Hi there Blue Dove,
after reading that link you gave I went and did a search too on Zero-Infinity..
So didnt get to post on 3 legged stool man...

The 3 sticks then forming a triangle, the oldest known symbol of all religions...and finally conceptualising the number 0, by drawing a circle around the 3 sticks on the ground, to protect himself, his mate and his child from harm.


3D symbolism
1- the cause or creator 2- the mate 3- the child
1- male 2- female 3- child (assuming and using numerology to express 1 as Sun and to represent Male..2 as Moon to represent the female)
or 1=sun 2=moon 3=jupiter

male/female expansion ?, or more so pertaining to inside the circle, what is protected within?

1+2+3=6 VENUS-LOVE

?


thinking thinking..going round in circles


This page had a bit about symbolism.
NADA- zero-infinity-Sacred Spaces
http://www.simurgh.net/nada/space/tula.htm

NADA-zero-infinity-Chartres Notre Dame
http://www.simurgh.net/nada/space/chartres.htm

XOX to you, Daisy

Protecting Love...Love is the Circle Within.

Love is Sacred... and it seems there is a delicate balance we must gather there....between outstretching it in our palms, yet cradling it protectively there too at the same time.
As sacred, we must not scatter it aimlessly....but take care to place it where nourish and cherish recognizes the Sacred...or at least where there is potentiality for a flow of vessles, that will flourish its Energy.

That is a great site you discovered. I read through the other night.
This quote stood out with me:

Quote:

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How can a fundamentally holistic, spiritual and mystical way of relating to life and reality be in any way clearly represented and understood from a mechanistic, material and analytically rational perspective?

---

Not only does that statement pertain to the way archeoligists lose the pure foundation of a civilization by concentrating on it's fall....but so often, it seems, this conveys the way our analytical minds attempt to perceive realms of Infinity...The Soul.
So often I have thought on this...how we lose the simple and pure connection with ourselves and Spirit, by striving and striving....reading book after book...seeming forced perception through the mind instead of listening to our intuition.
We make it so much more complex than it needs to be.
Our brains are gifts and knowledge is as well. We create our own knowledge....and the expanded mind is a reaching out, as opposed to the stagnant mind. I believe there is purpose in our Questing, and it is not pointless in any way....but, at the same time, focusing with other aspects of our Being....our senses...our third eye...our energy....are reachings we too often deny..and after the inintial mind expansion...when the expansion spreads into the Soul....this is when Ultimate Discovery is found.

This part of the site sounded like what Greg was expressing a bit back about matter being energy our spirits have perceived:

The Self-Referential Identity Generator

The overwhelming impact of the chapel certainly has a way of turning off the roof brain chatter; that is, the energy of the pattern simulates the energy level of the field of motion in the habitual mode of brain activity. How one turns anything "off" is to exactly match the totality of the energy pattern in the reflexive mode. When there's no more ability to distinguish one field of motion from the overall "ground", the platform for all motion, a self-referential identity generator, can no longer distinguish "itself" from "all else", and thus by reflex "shuts itself" "off". However these are only terms of the self- referential identity generator. There is no on/off.

The reflexive mode itself defines the parameters of a particular identity. This limit to identity is what makes the identity generator self-referential. At a certain level of intensity, there is an involuntary retraction to a source assumption of greater or lesser complexity. The simplicity or complexity defines the characteristic "mask" of each phase of identity as "something". Once the limit energy is matched, there is no need for the reflex back to a central source because the limit energy is now identifying itself with its own motion, which is indistinguishable from all else, and thus no longer a limit. Because this limit function is no longer capable of distinguishing what is "itself" from what is not, it can no longer refer itself "back" to any fixated source of identity. Without a circumference, the center is no longer able to propagate self- referentially, and thereby it shuts itself "off". But this voluntary shut-off is still the potential basis for generating a view of self. Of necessity the non-referential self is the cause of the self-referential identity generator. Because it is everything, nothing can be beyond. Nothing.

Lisa

ps~ I saw your post in the Numbers thread and will get back to it soon...yes, I meant All numbers, even the compound, as trying to understand this force within me that believes good/bad exist always at equal potential...but I'm still sorting this all out....it's a confusion to me at the moment too.

Hi Lisa Cool what you said about the protective circle.



ok you meant all numbers..

Yes that site is a real eyeopener.
that quote you made, yes that was something that stuck with me too.The more I read at the site, the more of the info from this thread came back to me, and as you said, especially parts that Greg had explained:The Self-Referential Identity Generator, that you cut/paste.

Its all heady stuff, but was worth the read(s)

so glad that you like the site too

Ive just read Isis post about Gregory in Hospital, The creating our own reality forum..
so at the moment Im a bit Spun!! Hoping Greg is OK..

me too, CD

Lisa,
What a fantastic thread!!! As usual
I'm late I'm late...

Chahlie says:
"This uncarved Thought of Existence emotes in the Absence of Mathematics and Will....the participation of A Beholder...figures and factors, Square Roots of decimals and quadrants....
The UniCenter of the Whole is the Combination to All that Exists, with our Being the Key

Take a 0
and a 1
(Or, the 'O' and the 'I')
Put them together
You have a teeny tiny key! (Linda)

Lisa asks:
..."Unity is therefore the third energy?"

I say, unity CREATES the third energy...



and Greg says:
"

Listening for the Sacred


shhhhhh

please, stop


There is no Hearing

for the Noise


Voids

need not be filled


All and No thing

escape Us


See with your Soul

Hear with your Heart

Give leave

to your mouth,

your hands


and Listen.


Time births Understanding

that Moments

conjoin to Tell


For now...

Feasts for Our Eyes

and No thing more


Songs of the Heart


Illuminations of Cherish


Please...

not just yet.


I want to remain in this Garden a while longer.

PD, the poem wasn't in reply to you (or anyOne)....
just didn't want you thinking that.
I'm glad you arrived, no matter the time....
we will continue on some day.

Higher There Dove

Well its taken me awhile to get to this Zero thread...with a contribution that was inspired by Greg...The Cosmic GrEgg! ...along with Writeons own photographic example of The Cosmic Gregg.

What follows are the words and work of Helen&Willem Koppejan...

" Second Image ,Inner Symbol

Out of the Cosmic Egg,life is born fresh and virginal

...This is energy needs to be directed towards greater goals than have claimed it hitherto.These goals may seem Utopian now,but in the fulness of time will be won,as surely as new life is brought to birth from the egg..
...They need to study the the esoteric philosophy of the `cosmic egg`,which is the astral and etheric breeding ground for new and virginal ideas."

Opti...Mum...Love

Dear Lisa,
That was a beautiful poem.
I had been startled when I read it to see how my last post here had been so mixed up. I must have hit some keys wrong and also must have too hastily posted it without editing...

I had been responding to a combination of what Chahlie and Greg had posted and so mine was supposed to read:

'Chalie says:
"This uncarved Thought of Existence emotes in the Absence of Mathematics and Will....the participation of A Beholder...figures and factors, Square Roots of decimals and quadrants....
The UniCenter of the Whole is the Combination to All that Exists, with our Being the Key"

and Greg says:
"As a numeral, One is not Zero. But as Unity it is the undivided all, the unmanifested, complete in itself ... as is the void.
"Zero and One, spirit and matter. Matter is spirit."

Take a 0
and a 1
(Or, the 'O' and the 'I')
Put them together
You have a teeny tiny key! (Linda)

Lisa asks:
..."Unity is therefore the third energy?"

I say, unity CREATES the third energy...'

Also the teeny tiny key opens the gate to the Garden of Eden

So, that was how my post was supposed to read. I apologize I couldn't edit it when I noticed it, which wasn't until much later.

I love this part Greg wrote also:
"In duality there is always figure and ground, one and zero, what is and what is not. But in Unity what is and what is not are the same. Figure is not separated from ground. Everything is not separated from nothing, they are one and the same."

CD cool that 'runes' adds to 21 = 3 = Love as must 'nurse.'

And as Lisa says Love includes all numbers...so it's their different combinations that make all things possible?

Shaman: the Alpha and the Omega ... yes

Opti (Did I ever tell you about the little sailboats called Optis--that have the key symbol of the O joined by I on the sail? )
"...This is energy needs to be directed towards greater goals than have claimed it hitherto.These goals may seem Utopian now,but in the fulness of time will be won,as surely as new life is brought to birth from the egg..
...They need to study the the esoteric philosophy of the `cosmic egg`,which is the astral and etheric breeding ground for new and virginal ideas."

I think we are getting nearer to the 'time' (meaning of course we are already here now) that the third energy will extend Creation... after all, Creation is infinite, eternal... wow.

Hi there.

Interesting Opti as the Ouroboros has also been circled around the cosmic Egg.

Hello PD,
noticed that you have posted about the key again.
This made me stop and think about what had become an interest for me this past week..I had read more than a week ago, that to say 'thankyou' was very important (cant think where now).
Anyway the word Thank contains the word ANKH - key of life. The loop at the top is either circular or can appear egg shape...Pondering the word 'thanks' was most revealing also...
T ANKH S

dont mean to be cryptic no I havnt wigged out (thanksgiving Lexi)


CD

Ooo, I like that, Daisy. Tankhs to you.

Maria
Ta !

http://members.aol.com/maattexts/aquabible/part5.htm#egg

PD
Are you still giving thoht to Mother Goose at times?..
just found this so figured it was easier to post it on the thread as it relates to egg also..

http://www.philae.nu/akhet/Ogdoad.html

didnt have time to look for the Mother Goose thread to bring it up..The weather is a lot cooler now so have to finish off raking the yard..
ok have fun.
CD

Hello One & All
who enter this Sacred Space.

I have been trying to clear overwhelming thoht and emotion before returning here...but perhaps that is just not meant to Be...just yet. And so , I go with is just as it IS.

I felt Significance and a Wondrous evolving of Thought in this Thread here. Like we are just on the VERGE of some Cosmic Explosion with In and with Out.
Sign-if-I-can'ts...interesting Word.
Signs appear everywhere to the Expanding Eye.
It seemed very significant....that this Magical discussion here was the last of its kind that Greg planted Wise Dome in.
It's ALL here.
The Void... ALL & No Thing....
Protecting the Circle of LOVE ....
Matter being Awareness of Spirit...Spirit BEing EveryWhere.

Greg's Words here are such a gift at this Time....almost as if he had inner for-Seeing of how soon we would need this Awareness:

Quote:

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We see a physical world around us; we can touch it, feel it, weigh and measure it. When we see, light reflects from physical objects and is focused by our eyes on to nerves which are stimulated in corresponding patterns, and an image appears in our consciousness. But that image is not physical, it is consciousness ... awareness ... spirit. The only contact we can have with the physical world, whether by sight, sound, touch, smell or hearing, is through awareness of patterns reported through our senses; but that awareness is not matter, it is spirit. We can say it is caused by matter, but our knowledge of causality, too, is an attribute of consciousness.

When we do not recognize this, there can be "war" between matter and spirit, but when we see it as it is there can be no such war. Nothing that we can possibly be aware of is outside the realm of spirit, because the faculty of awareness is spirit.

Zero and One, spirit and matter. Matter is spirit.

---

A Precious Gift he left to reAssure....that He is here.
There is no question or battle...we Need only manifest what is All Ready there to See, through these Eyes of Ours.
There to Real Eyes.

And On it Flows... from awareness that We are in the Void All Ways....in this kNOW...of ALL potential...where All dreams form and swirl through our Hearts....

Quote:

---

Out of the Cosmic Egg,life is born fresh and virginal

---

We began with Zero...on to One...Spiraling on to Unity.
This Arrow Aimed Upwards & Onwards...Our Inner Eyes set on a Dream that already Exists Deep withIn All.
And is flowing through US...this very moment.
A Pure and Virginal State...the Song of Our Souls remembered from long ago.

The Garden.

Just wanted to add that the empty post before the poem was not intentional. I was suprised to see it there after I hit submit and unsure how it happened.

And also....cool we were both returning to the Garden, PD.

"Unity CREATES the third energy".
Yes... better put that way.

"There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden...

It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden..."

-- Bobby the Dylan. Seems to kind of say what you and Greg just said, Lisa. Or am I doing my strange-associations-that-nobody-understands thing again?

Love,
Maria

Higher Dove

I`d just like 2say...that your `Empty Sign Post`of the 26th...is not `Void`;)...becouse 4me it is BountiFull&Pregnant with the Seen Within The UnSeen.

Thank you 4those Unseen other words..."Keep the fires Burning".

And yes...i could be wrong about the 11 6 11 Enigma...besides its such a long way off...tis better to reside...side by side in the GIFT of the Present.And so i feel we are both write about it being a date of some sort...4 i am strangely enuff a 3 8 &5...( 3Day o Birth...8(`Whole` date o Birth)...&lastly the 5(The Prominant Vibration of the Name that i most use).Tis a strange affair...thats in the Air.Becouse its got that..."Comeing full Circle" `Air about it.

I`m suddenly at aloss 4words!...which is not like me:)...So maybe i`d better leave that enigma alone...&just accept it.

Opti...Mum...Love

Ps I know that i said i would`nt be back at C.E till the Weee(k)end...but sometimes...Needs Must!;)...So i sacrificed on the alter of my desire...a couple of hours of work 2be at C.E this Morn.
Top O the Morning 2yer!

Top O' the day to you, Opti

Comeing Full Circle
There does seem to Be a Magic in the Air....for look what I just discovered for 11 in Star Cards:

Quote:

---

The karmic wheel has gone full circle. You have now entered that space in the middle of the '11' on the wings of Love, disposing of all negativity, filling the chasm with hope and harmony.

---

I caught my breath for a moment, reading those words!!

11 6 11 The center is Love.
Surrounded and protected by the 11's...11's also expanding the Light of Love outwards from the Center.

555=6

5 =Commune I cation, as we share Here...in this Sacred Church, that Chahles put into Words so well .
5 in it's Full 3-way Spectrum...communicating from the Heart, from the Mind & from the Soul= Love.

~~Sidenote for anyOne a bit confused as to what we are referring to here...I had a dream, a couple of nights before Greg's passing. I had been praying before falling asleep and dreamed of Him on and off all night. In One dream...my last dream, I saw this sequence of numbers...with Greg's presence strong in the dream...felt in presence but not Visually before me. These were the numbers I Saw:

8355538

and so, have just been trying to figure out what they could possibly mean.

Thanks for your help, fellow Saggy. Is your Birth Day coming or going?

Lisa

Intriguing Dream.. Lisa

In the Spirit of Linda Goodman.. I can't help but think Greg may have 'Hidden' the message just to keep our Feelers polished. They are the antennae of our 'Sensory Perception our Five 'Senses'. When they Flow together in Harmonious Focus.. they open the 6th Sense.. Third Eye.. or Cosmic Channel. It's all a Matter of Tuning In Clearly.

With that in Mind..onsider the Dual expression of Numbers.. 11 is Eleven and 5 is Five.

8 3 5 5 5 3 8 = 11 555 11

T W O E L E V E N S A N D T H R E E F I V E S

I SEE AND FEEL THE LOVE OF ALL S~ELVES

I LIVE IN LOVES HEART

ALL IS FOR LOVE ~ LOVE IS FOR ALL

SEVENTH RAY OF INFINITE LOVE

EARTH HEART HEAR HER TEARS

THOHT for Food... hehehe

Follow Your Heart
Pat

(((((((((((Vanessa))))))))))))

Yes, I do think of Mother Goose...and especially these days of late...and some of Opti's words had brought it to the surface again.

There is a new book out called "Who Killed Cock Robin?" which is supposed to deal with the nursery rhyme imagery, and I'll check it out.

I have wanted to get at ankh pendant ever since our old Humpty Dumpty talks!!!!!!

I will be resuming our threads and H.O.M.E. and the Elf transmissions. It has been hard to post lately, my words just weren't coming out.

Love,

Dear Lisa,

"I felt Significance and a Wondrous evolving of Thought in this Thread here. Like we are just on the VERGE of some Cosmic Explosion with In and with Out."

You said what I have felt. A wonderful thread you began. I do feel Greg's presence here.

Dear Lisa and Pat,
That is amazing
Lisa's dream- wow
11 6 11
Let's keep spiraling on these numbers...I think there must be more.
1+1+6+1+1 = 10
3+8+5+5+5+8+3 = 37 = 10

I wonder why it was expressed in Lisa's dream (and Greg there)
3855583
What could these numbers correspond to? Could there be an answer in astrology, numerology ???? atoms, elements, alchemy? Is it the phone number to Heaven?


I think it must have something to do with energy...3d energy...I'm going to sleep on it tonight for sure. My son had a homework project on electromagnetism last night, of all things!

There's something so KEY, and so ELECTRIC about these numbers! They make me think of the cherubim guarding Eden. Unity...

Love,

Pat and Piscesdreamer

I am feeling rather quiet tonight...putting up Christmas lights on the tree...but awed by your thohts and the way we seem to be joined together in instinct, flowing with the wave, beyond ourSelves (Ego) like a school of fish.

I wanted to say, that I don't ordinarily dream of numbers. I mean, this just doesn't happen to me...I could probably count the times in my lifetime on one hand. So that is why I felt compelled to Seek further on it.
And it seems (again) significant that I didn't see the numbers as 11 6 11 , but as 8355538 .

Why the 8 and 3?...why not just see 11?
There is more meaning here I'm guessing...
8~Saturn
3~Jupiter
Supposed opposite ends of the Spectrum are Saturn and Jupiter....Idealism VS Realism....yet when Balanced....when Neutrilized...they have the Potential to become 11 and Be Come the bearers of Light and Love.

More on Your Beautiful Seeds later ...but for now just receptive and this is from this Moment:


SOME THING


I just wanted to Make Some Thing

Beyond the No Things of the Void



Create> Play> Celebrate

Dance< Twirl< Immerse



My Soul in This

Endless Swirl


MATTER Some How

In This Vacant World



Beyond Myself

In a Crazy Journey, Hurled

I Wanted to Taste the World


WITH YOU


Some How BEcome One

With this Shadow Stranger

That REMembers SOME


I Just Wanted to MEAN Some Thing

to Some One


Shake Their World

And Make It Real


Cherish the Light

they Play to Conceal


BRING US OUT


BREAK ON THROUGH


SomeThing Tangled,

InTo SomeThing NEW



I Just Wanted to BE



To Stop this Crazy Ride

and For Once in so Long, just SEE



I Just Wanted to be ME.

Dear Lisa,

Just keep doing what you are doing--as in being receptive--I feel like I have to depend on you for a while for that. Trying to be still around here, 24-7, has been hopeless.

I was trying to keep the numbers just floating in my head as I went to sleep but see that I had the 3 and 8's reversed...

Is there a chemist in the house? We need Al the chemist. The word 'SOLIDIFY' in your mother's dream and now this string of numbers in your dream...made me think of the table of elements
8 = Oxygen
3 = Lithium
5 = Boron
These have intriguing properties that could certainly be useful in conducting energy--could they be solidified? Are they solidified in any common manner of matter?
I'm thinking of healing energy...
Also maybe there is another way to read the numbers within the 'groups' of elements...

The planets seem to be showing the way also...

I wish I paid more attention in math and science subjects! Maybe something will google.

Love,

Dear Lisa,
I went back to reread your original posts, and in the second post of October 13 I reread about the Cultural Perspective of 'zero'...how culturally we A-VOID it...because we fear it...thus we keep it apart from ourselves. Methinks the 0 is as 'elusive', or rather avoided, as is the Present NOW, the instant Eternal Now...

So help us get there with you Lisa!
Love,

Started googling: From rereading Lisa's original posts I was hit by the ref to Omar Khayyam-- In "The Music Man" the librarian had recommended it to a teenager whose mother accused her of giving her daughter a 'smutty' book
Here is a translation of The Rubyait of Omar Khayyam--I'll be getting into it as soon as I can...
CD--you asked me if I'm still into Mother Goose--yes, very, except I live in a circus!!!!
My goose egg in my chart is my Mercury at 0 Pisces, which Uranus is still conjunct to...
Here's the link to Omar Khayyam:
http://tehran.stanford.edu/Literature/Poetry/Omar_Khayyam.html
Enjoy!
Love,

googled 'Oxygen Lithium Boron' and got hits. Look at this phrase
Oxygen Abundances in Metal Poor Subgiant Stars from the O I Triplet
The Journal title includes 'Cosmic Rays'
Maybe someone
H E L P !!!!!!!!
Can wade through:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1999lcrr.conf...77G&amp;db_key=AST

You can click on a PDF format for the article...it seems to be speaking of Creation...

It tells of 'poor stars' ...


Love,

Hi there all
just wanted to add this link
read this some time ago..

Quote:

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The most popular code of awakening - the one that most people see - is 11:11. This represents the spiraling twin strands of human DNA coming into consciousness.

11 also represents balance.

11+11=22=4=Time

11:11=4=4th dimension=time.

12:12 is often linked with 2012 - the end time of the Mayan Calendar.

12=1+2=3=3rd dimension.

12:12 = 3+3=6=Star of David Frequency=Merkabah = Spirals of Consciousness=Sacred Geometry=SG=Stargate.

Many look upon November 11 - 11.11 or December 12 - as keynote dates to trigger their awakening that linear time is a program of illusion that is about to evolve to the next level of consciousness.

Grid 553 - is the designation for the physical grid in linear TIME.
5+5+3=13+1+3=4=4th dimension=Time

Grid 555 = 5+5+5=15=6=Flower of Life - Merkaba - Spirals of Consciousness - Sacred Geometry=SG=Stargate.

---

http://www.crystalinks.com/11.11.html

Cool PD about your wanting to get an ankh!
read some of the poem, the Omar K- the potter bit sounds familiar.Some of it about the constellations.
PD you posted the chemical names interesting twist..As its reminded me to say to you about the Jack and Jill ryhme..Old Dame Dob fixed his Nob with vinegar and brown paper..?.. there is also what is called as the Philosophers Vinegar..
having trouble staying at the site, second attempt today

Was thinking if 911 = endings, then 611 must = new beginnings.. ..

3+8=11 as Opti put it, a marriage of opposites..
555 = the flower of Life

good morning.

I really want to thank You All for your food for Thoht. There is so much to consider...the Seventh Ray of Infinate Love ( the 7's we saw here not long ago)...the intertwining and Creating Alchemy in Motion (still pondering that, PD)...the Poem, wow ....the Spiraling Consciousness of the Flower of Life. Yes, CONSCIOUS...our Key Word.

And thanks for peering into this dream. All of the Dreams we Dream at this particular moment are considerably significant, I believe. Rena...may I share yours here? Brown Butterflies...the Moth & the Eagle...I'm still in awe with it. My dreams have been even more wild & vivid these days. Last night was a special gift...not containing any specific message, but just that...a gift. (involving Seeing Greg & FireSong in the past...immersed in Nature & Beauty. FireSong especially...so InTune & in Love with Nature).

There is one I dreamt the day before that I'd like to share, for it seems to be Spiraling on from this Now we are experiencing. And...not One to think my dreams are All important, but just maybe we could share in learning from it is All...
It was just after my last post and the mention of 'school of fish', so why I'm bringing it here.
I dreamt I wandered down into a basement at my Aunt's house and it was a Whole World in its own down there. Started with Beauty Spa's...all White...Roman pillar theme...then networked on to a variety of Night Clubs and Dionysis feel...drinking, dancing, large crowds of people...
but soon I realized I was Trapped down there and couldn't leave. The people were Strange...and there were customs I needed to learn in order to 'blend in'. I Wanted OUT, desperately, panic setting in...feeling caged. I'll skip out all the intercate details, for this part stood out the most to me...
as I walked on, trying to find an exit I came to a thin stream...and there was a feeling that this was near the door that would lead me out. I had a feeling that the stream was being artificially pumped through the Underground World...and in it, there were fish, of all different type and color (mostly colorful tropical type). They were flowing along the artificial current...and I turned and said to the person next to me "See. Even the fish are strange here. Look. Some are just floated life-less at the surface, being pulled along UnAware."

I thought of that Dream on and off all day...and then I came to this:


Going With The Flow


When I say "become water" I mean become a flow; don't remain stagnant. Move, and move like water. Lao Tzu says: The way of the Tao is a watercourse way. It moves like water. What is the movement of water? or of a river? The movement has a few beautiful things about it. One, it always moves towards the depth, it always searches for the lowest ground. It is non-ambitious; it never hankers to be the first, it wants to be the last. Remember, Jesus says: Those who are the last here will be the first in my kingdom of God. He is talking about the watercourse way of Tao--not mentioning it, but talking about it. Be the last, be non-ambitious. Ambition means going uphill. Water goes down, it searches for the lowest ground, it wants to be a nonentity. It does not want to declare itself unique, exceptional, extraordinary. It has no ego idea.

Osho Take it Easy, Volume 1 Chapter 14



Commentary:

The figure in this card is completely relaxed and at ease in the water, letting it take him where it will. He has mastered the art of being passive and receptive without being dull or sleepy. He is just available to the currents of life, with never a thought of saying "I don't like that," or "I prefer to go the other way." Every moment in life we have a choice whether to enter life's waters and float, or to try to swim upstream. When this card appears in a reading it is an indication that you are able to float now, trusting that life will support you in your relaxation and take you exactly where it wants you to go. Allow this feeling of trust and relaxation to grow more and more; everything is happening exactly as it should.


And I kept thinking of CONSCIOUSNESS...of being AWARE.
And schools of fish....they're amazing. The way they are so instinctively intune together in One Moving mass. But yet, each may swim away, then return with the One rythm again. They Don't Collide. Scientists and biologists are amazed with this especially...the fact that they are so close together, but yet never collide. Each still to their Own...at the same time they are Together. And in order to Flow along...there Needs to be Awareness. Consciousness. It is not about being Pulled along with something, oblivious. It is not about being Pulled along Motionless, LifeLess. It is an Immersement in each beating pulse of Now....but yet also a Surrender of Faith in the current...
the True Current of our Beings. NOT the artificial ones Created Outside of Ourselves. Fish magically tune intuitively into a Universal Rythm OUTside of themselves...but this intuitiveness comes from withIN themselves.

And going along with the Flow of Life...Trusting that we will reach the Sea somehow. This is a Surrender to OurSelves. A Faith in OurSelves. And very much Existing in the Now...not trying to fight the current....not worrying about what Rocks we may collide into along the way.
And Rena's dream of the Brown Butterflies really struck me (sorry Rena, can't seem to stop this flow )...
to be in the Now very much involves appreciating the Ordinary Beauty withIn and withOut ourSelves each moment. The Weeds along with Flowers...each are beautiful in their way.
The Brown & the Colorful. We all strive to Be Colorful...to be empowered, Unique...recognized. Forgetting how gloriously Beautiful we already Are.
Brown Butterflies and Schools of Fish moving Together, amass, may All look the same at first glance...but look deeper and You'll See that each has their own Story...each are their Own Entities unto themSelves...with their own Uniqueness that somehow peices together into the Whole. Their very Consciousness of themselves and a tapping into the Awareness of their surroundings...Creates the Magical Blending Flow.

"There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden...

It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden..."

As always, Maria, you are Write On.

Higher Pat

Watching you `Weave` is like watching a happy Mother&Child at play 2gether!...De-Light-Full.

" TWOElevensAndTHREEFives"

Pat it was&is always really enlightening 2see what your ` LyricalCalculus`Spirals Spin Out with.

I look at you as a `Royal Star Of The Lioness` when it come s 2what you Do&Feel.Good to see you hear on DovesThread.

Opti...Mum...Love

Higher CrazyDaze

Wow!!!CD...Reading your `Sign Post`on this Thread(Star)dated 12th of The 12th(Dec) 2004 at 12:12 wqs like following a `treasure trail`4me...its probably the best example that ones gonna get of a `Sol-idify` or solidified Post.

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"The most popular code of awakening-the one that most people see-is 11:11 .This represents the spiralling twin strands od human DNA Coming into Consciousness."

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"12;12 is often linked with 2012-end of time Mayan Calendar"...also star of David Frequency...and SG-StarGate..."

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incredible...CD...There is Much FOOd 4the Soul Here.;)

Opti...Mum...Love

PS I`ll ask the question that where all dying to ask....Was the 12-12-12-12...a Conscious Evo or an Unconsious Evo?.
PSS Dove i`1l catch u next time

Higher CrazyDayz

I`ve got a biggg daft Grin on my face...becouse i`ve just emerged from my own little-Mini...Mum `dark night of the soul` over the previous weee-end.
It kinda started on fri 17th Dec( A Double 17 Day...but with hind-sight it really Star-ted on Moonday the 13th Dec...with the End of my last Post 2u.Upon which i returned 7days later to find my last post to you...Still...the Last Post! ...i thought thats strange becouse i was really looking 4ward2u answering my last question of weather or not the date&time of "12.12.12.12 a conscious Evo 2u?"...

...It would appear obviously not becouse you weren`t aware that i read you from the perspective of you posting that on a Sunday thereby making it the 12th!...but looking at your date again on the 17th Dec...it read 12(Dec)-11-(2004)= 6-11:12(Time)...so instead of the 12-12-12-12...you See (along with the rest of you i prersume)...the numbered Sacred Geometry of 12-11-11:12...But if we also add the whole year number of(2+0+0+4)=6,which is Love at the Heart of it The Sacred Geometry reveals a Star Gate Image that looks like this... 12-11-6-11:12...its Symetry has a natural beauty 2it...&reminds one of Doves 3855583 = 11-6-11 S.G.I.

Anyway to cut along story short,the last thing i want to do is end up getting all `subjective` on you,one can`t share anything constructively in that realm.So my aim is usually all-ways to try and be objective,so that all can share in it also.

But i guess sometimes that is not the Way,as all people wont all-ways respect the same things.But if you have genuinley put your Own Soul.Mind&Heart into Seeking something...then the `rewards` should also be your Own.Even when `from the Outside-looking In` you can appear 2others as a Fool .

And so 2everyone who has participated Up2Now in the Spirals on this Zero thread,the Cosmic Greg Thread&The Misprint(Miss Print Thread(Becouse they are `strangely` connected in their Spirals)...i will in due course(early next year) send all of you involved in those threads the Objective! perspective of Looking at The 12-11-11-12 as 12-12-12-12,ie The Star of David Frequency i will show in the form of sending you an attachment containing `proof` from the more intimate... Inside-Looking out perspective...that i was not being overly subjective or indeed delusional.
(Trust that you will fully understand&maywell even laugh,when you come 2realise that "All the worlds a stage"...Said Billy Shakeing His Spear

To the others&Members here no offence...2the `Spiritual Tourist`..you know who you are.It is wrong to try and plagerise what you see here as your Own.And speaking to others has if those words were yours to abuse.Trust me when i say i will `enforce` my Copyright&C.E`S Copyright against anyone transgressing this `Sacred Ground`that is C.E...

...But the most important thing of all this is that you `Spiritual Tourists`(I know what i`m talking about cos i use to be one myself ).Need 2Understand that there are two form s of Charity in this world..There is the giving of Fish...&there is the Higher Giving of The Fishing Rod.Each one of you will come to know...in your own Way...that these are the Endtimes...and that the endless giving of fish to the Mass`s will be seen for what it really is(the cruel creation of dependency on `Fish`!) as We leave these Piscean Times and Enter The Aquarian Age of The Lightening Rod. (And the careing giving of `Fishing Rods`...that `kills` dependency and `births` Independence.You can change you only have 2give...remember2 throw some of the fish back in the river...if only 2give back a Thank you..Nuff said on that.

Hopefully back 2morrow
Opti...Mum...Love

ps HRH Fish...your gooberze Nuts thread is incredible

Hello Opti sorry I didnt answer your question but I have no computer at the moment and have to use the Library again..Yes I was consciously aware of the Date that day,(11th or 12th) other posts had been made by PD the same day as well. All I know is that I did try to make that post a couple of times earlier in the evening and had to shut the PC down as well..and yep after all the trying and re-trying (and time appearing to just slip by) it ended up as
12 11 2004 11 12


well Im here on the 22nd a Fool Day, theres no fool like and Old Fool hes had more experience..
CD

Hi all,

Very interesting about your Star of David Frequency, Opti...
(Glad you liked the nuts )

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perspective of Looking at The 12-11-11-12 as 12-12-12-12,ie The Star of David Frequency i will show in the form of sending you an attachment containing `proof` from the more intimate... Inside-Looking out perspective...that i was not being overly subjective or indeed delusional.
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Can I add with a fishy little City of David spiral???...

I was going through some old notebooks and found some note for a Sign Language class I took... (I thought of adding it to the Sign Language thread but haven't had time.)

In Sign Language, the sign for Minneapolis translates to the "City of David." Not for any religious reason, but because a very popular deaf man, named David, lived in Minneapolis so when people in the deaf community would sign to each other they signed, "Let's go to the city of David," which meant "Let's go to Minneapolis." Deaf people travel alot at a young age because they usually go to schools for the deaf.

Minneapolis, the "City of Lakes" in the Land of 10,000 Seas, is also a Pisces city, incorporated on February 28, 1872.

II Chronicles 33:14
Now after this he built a wall outside the city of David, on the west side of Gihon, in the valley, even to the entering in at the fish gate, and compassed about Ophel, and raised it up a very great height, and put captains of war in all the fenced cities of Judah.

Nehemiah 3:3
But the fish gate did the sons of Hassenaah build, who also laid the beams thereof, and set up the doors thereof, the locks thereof, and the bars thereof.

Nehemiah 12:39
And from above the gate of Ephraim, and above the old gate, and above the fish gate, and the tower of Hananeel, and the tower of Meah, even unto the sheep gate: and they stood still in the prison gate.

Zephaniah 1:10
And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.

There are four mentions of Fish Gate in the Bible. Notice the last mention of the fish gate is in a book starting with "Z." The First and the Last. The Alpha and the Omega. The Beginning and the End. The A and the Z.

Kinda funny...Star Gate...Sheep Gate...Fish Gate


The Mississppi the symbolic reincarnation of the Nile...

http://www.goddessgift.com/goddess-myths/egyptian_goddess_Isis.htm

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...the celebration of the flooding of the Nile each year is called "The Night of the Drop" by Muslims. . . for it used to be named "The Night of the Tear-Drop" a remembrance of the extent of the Isis' lamentation of the death of Osiris, her tears so plentiful they caused the Nile to overflow.

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"Hello there, my old friend
Not so long ago it was til the end
We played outside in the pouring rain
On our way up the road we started over again

You're livin our dream oh you on top
my mind is achin,' Lord it won't stop
That's how it happens livin life by the drop

Up and down the road in our worn down shoes
Talkin about good things and singin the blues
you went your way and I stayed behind
We both knew it was just a matter of time

You're livin our dream oh you on top
my mind is achin,' Lord it won't stop
That's how it happens livin life by the drop

No wasted time, we're alive today
Churnin up the past, there's no easier way
Time's been between us, a means to an end
God it's good to be here walkin together my friend

We're livin our dreams
my mind's stopped achin,'
That's how it happened livin life by the drop
That's how it happened livin life by the drop
That's how it happened livin life by the drop"
Life By The Drop-Stevie "Ra" Vaughn

"When I get off of this mountain, you know where I want to go?
Straight down the Mississippi river, to the Gulf of Mexico
To Lake Charles Louisiana, little Bessie, girl that I once knew.
She told me just to come on by, if there's anything she could do...
Up on Cripple Creek she sends me,
If I Spring a Leak she mends me.
I don't have to speak she defends me,
A Drunkard's Dream if I ever did see one."
Up On Cripple Creek-Robbie Robertson & The Band

"Down by the seaside
See the boats go sailin'
Can the people hear, oh
What the little fish are sayin'"
Down By the Seaside-Led Zeppelin

"As if everyone knows, what I'm talking about.
As if everybody here would know, exactly what I was talking about.
Talking about diamonds on the Soles/Souls of her Shoes.
She makes the Sign of the Teaspoon.
He makes the Sign of the Wave...
People say I'm crazy,
I got Diamonds on the Souls of my Shoes.
Well that's one way to lose these walking blues.
Diamonds on the Souls of your Shoes."
Paul Simon @ Graceland

The words Sole/Sole means the bottom of your shoe or a flat fish. Pisces rules feet, shoes, and soles...

Up above the world so high like a Diamond in the sky,
Twinkle, twinkle little star, how I wonder what you are...

With LOving LIght,
R
And Happy Holidays everyone!!!

Cool spiraling here Opti and HRH--wow--
CD, hope your computer is fixed soon...
Love,

Higher DJ FisherQueen

High enjoyed reading/hearing your `Star of David Frequency`(there be a `Freeqy-Queen` in Frequencey;)).As in what you shared concerning the City of David Spiraling.And how you can see `reflections` on the Mississpi River of the Nile ...I really liked your city of David...he sounds like a cool guy.And you really sound in your Element being surrounded by all those Nept-union Energies...yes it is interesting when one starts to get a real taste of ones own environment...the Native American Indians&Aboriginals to name 2of Many,also saw the sacredness of their own environment no matter it be desert or lush forest...the Ghetto or the private estate.
I can add to your City of David spiral bay talking of my own City of Worcester,which strangely enuff i`ve been getting even more interested in over these past 3or4months...becouse it is literally a Medieval City of at least 7OOyrs,but the fascinating thing about it is that it is laid out by the Architect to represent the City of David! ...i`ll talk about this next time but suffice it to say the City is surrounded by Gates,each with a name,the 4most 2 Being ForeGate&CrownGate.But i havent the time to go in2 it now tho.

I wanted to say thanks for sharing your Tunes... You Know what they say...U can take the Neptunian off Neptune...But you cant Take a NepTune OFF a Neptunian!...Cos a NeptUnion without its Tunes...is like a Fish Out Off Water...We dont last long... But with Our Tunes We Can Live ForEver!!!

Yes Music is very important in My Own Life...and it Seems jUST &Write 2 also Have&See `Her` Hear.And We definately Know that Greg would Highly Approve&Be Pleased 2have Music here.

And 2borrow a phrase from ChilldEon...A " Choych" without Music...is a No-Hearter...Nevermind a No-Brainer!..AMen&AWomen!

So Play ON DJ Fisher Queen...you go digging&Fishing in those Crates&See&Hear what Sun-Disk &Moon-Disks you come with...You know...like the Bear that deposits His head in the River&Lo&Behold Comes Up With Fish...&the odd Fishing Rod

I2 would like to Spin a Tune from my own collection...Its a Hip-Hop Soul Tune By Wyclef Jean(Formely of the Fugees)called Rebel Music...

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Raise Your Glasses!
For This Partys Gonna
Go To The Mass`s!

i Woke Up This Morning
Streaching&Yawning

Feels Like its Gonna Be
A Cool Day!
Everybody Kick-Back
Like A Holiday!

You Shine...
I Shine...
And The Whole World
Looking Like aGoldmine

You Get Yours
&i`ll Get Mine

And We`ll Help
Each Other Thru
The Bad-Times."

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Wyclef Jean


Lets See what the Sun says right now Shall we Concerning Music...The SoundTrack Of Our Lives.

9th Degree Capricorn
Second Image Inner SYmbol

A Angel Carrying A Harp Comes Thru A Heavenly Lane

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Opti...Mum...Love

ps"Children Play Even When The World Is On Fire"
ps I was brought up on MARVEL&DC Comics...but i also read Mad Magazine 2!,when able,but not read one for awhile now...*sigh*

HI PD,
Not sure what is happening with the PC havnt heard anything yet..
so have been unable to really catch up with any of the threads..Opti Im not sure what you meant.. OK Im back now- think Ive got my head around it all..
Here's something interesting, well was to me during the month of August-November...

On August the 12th I registered my car for 3 months, the date on my new label read 11.11.2004

Hello Maria havnt got a PC right now, they've had it 2 weeks, so? christmas break etc..
CD.

Higher Dove

"O when Doves Cry"...... But A Dove By Any Other Name...Would Still Fly As True...Thank You Dove...&4This Thread...Which has Touched My Heart&Head...Have a Happy&Peacfull New Y-Era On This LastKnight&Eve Of A Brave-Hearted New Dawn.Dont 4get... Pack Light!...All of that goes to CrazyDazy&PiscesDreamer...See You On The Other-Side!

Your(s) IN The Star-Light&KnightLight Of Love Opti...Mum...Love

Hi everybody Pisces, Opti, Lisa, Craze, Steph & all. Stephanie, speaking of feet and their Piscean rulership. In much religious imagery and symbolism, feet symbolize the strength of one's faith and integrity. Mary Magdalene washed Jesus' feet, Jesus washed his friends' feet just before he was taken, if someone is a faker, he is like a bronze statue with feet of clay ... crumbling. They're foundational, those dancing feet ... how we make our stand. It's not the blood or the brain; not even the heart. We stand on our beliefs.

Maria

Proverbs 4:26
Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established.

With LOving LIght,
Stephanie

Hi all, thanks for that Line Stephane..its worth pondering..

still got a minute or two, yes Maria Ive read that quite a bit and heard it too lately, as ABC ran a program around Christmason Mary Magdalene. I took notes btw
Also Dorothy in wizard of Oz, her Red slippers, Pat tells me this is a connection to the earth....
or maybe even to walk the Red path, native American Indian path..? ok gotta go..
hope you all had a happy new years eve..

Hello, everyone:

I was watching "The Matrix Revolutions" (the 3rd one) the other night and the ending of the film reminded me so much of this thread. In one of the end scenes, Neo was fighting super-agent Smith again. Of course, they were as evenly matched as usual and there were literally thousands of Smiths waiting in the wings. In fact, it was a real stalemate until Neo was halted temporarily and went within due to a hard blow. After he went within, his body turned black and liquidy. When Smith struck again, his hand entered Neo's chest cavity. Soonafter, Neo's body morphed into another Smith; then, light started filing up the Neo/Smith body and it burst open. The other Smith's bodies soon followed suit, ending the with Smith that was doing the fighting.

My interpretation of this is that although Neo was perfectly suited to fighting Smith, he could not conquer him until he became that which is formless -- that which is no thing -- The Void. Once he had broken the constraints of being Neo, he had no constraints and was able to absorb everything like a black hole. When he did that and became no thing, The Source (the light) rushed in and broke through everything. He had truly become one with The Source, the one true thing.

Cool meandering, Divinia. Or it/he sucks in all the density and dark and pushes the light back outwards, rather than the light rushing in. A polarity that pulls the negative and repels the positive and blows those Computer Smiths' circuits.

Or a Hollywood easy way out for a guy in an impossible situation. Sci Fi makes it all look easy, even bouncing off the walls, lol.

Love,
Maria

Yeah, Daisy, the ruby slippers for sure. Heehee, why didn't I think of that. They do the magic but only if you know how to use 'em. And you have to state what you learned outloud, while clicking your heels together.

Maria

Maria,

The proper use of magic ruby red shoes sounds an awful lot like tryng to pat your head and rub your tummy while chewing gum.

Stephanie

Exactly! That's why the Magician is juggling in traditional Tarot.

So that's what's going on!!! Wow, that really makes a lot of sense!

Stephanie

Hi there Divina,
well I really want to see the 3rd video too, but every time I go to borrow it, its just not available.What you said sounds familiar, a similar scene must have been in the last movie.
looks like booking it may be a smart move.
See you later

Hello Maria,
yes I forgot about the clicking of the heels.
I bought my youngest daughter a Dorothy barbie. Actually I posted about it in 2001, she is so like Judy Garland.The shoes light up when you press down on the heels, and she says 2 lines, and Toto is cute,she has a picnic basket and table cloth..
"Theres no Place like Home"
"Toto I dont think we are in Kansas anymore"
It was a stunning series for collectors, as the Tin Man etc were available as well.

Back to sacred ground...
Zero, thy Hero


~Creation~


Melodic enchantment
my heart sails away
on the soft billowing current
of a newfound day

I found the world there...in a dream
intent intensity
so gentle
eyes to eyes
plush Impact
penetrating the masquerades
of hellos, goodbyes

A Dream, I thought
Yet never
had my eyes
felt more open

wide, clear vision
around, around
everywhere
I need not turn around
nor stare
the dream existing everywhere

I was fragile and shivering
yet warm with staid strength
which needed no cover

a foundling in need of
no coddling
Vulnerable, never before more vulnerable

never before more serene

Here
always at potential

Here
always at beginning

I thought it was a dream
unaware I was creating

this moment

this dream

this here

now there

and here again


a dream, unfolding

melting the frozen winter sky


There's a road

past the settled mind

beyond the river of tears

beyond sights these eyes now see

A journey more real

than any wavering yearning


This dream inside of me



have missed you All.
Lisa

((((((HUGS))))))

Love,
Stephanie

We are on sacred ground, indeed... now.

(((hugs))), Ladies...and Lords.

Been reading through the posts here and catching up with the sands of the hour glass...
so cool how each post has its own magical place in Time.
Happy to See all of your Words and the continued Spiral of Light & Awareness.
Numbers seemed to have been replaced these days by strange and magical Animal Totem Dreams...and Wonderings about the Quest itself...well, more about that later...for now I''m pondering your shared thoughts here (Opti..will get back with you on the Wholly Marriage & Venus... I have still been noting 555 Sightings, mostly in times these days )

to All and enJoy your Sun Day.

~Lisa

(A)Higher Dove

Ah hA!...Our...Well...comes...back,mmmMMM,its always good2 drink from your stream Dove...mainly becouse your Stream is so pure-Hearted&`pollution` free...I have one salt-water fish&the other is a fresh-water one...what can i say!...go figure

You sound&Feel like your back on terra `Firmer`...Now

Dove,i`m still haveing problems getting that `attachment` i spoke of concerning the 12-12 12:12 Star of David Frequency(needs more tuning;))...2this site &thread.
I Tried 2get it here 4JAN like i said,....but i`d 4gotten about "the best laid plans of mice&men"!
But,trust me on this it will come,so you hang in there 2CrazyDaze

Actully,it was when re-reading Kahill Gibran,that i`ve decided to just post the `attachement` on your Sacred ground Zero Thread,...rather than send private pms,to those who it may concern.

I realised that i was maybe in danger of going up my own arse on that...i was nearly in danger of loseing my senze of humour on this one...becouse its Uranus we are supposed to go Up...not our own ass`s! .Nuff said.

But g00d2SeaUDove

Good2SeaU2, Opti.
Looking forward to the attatchment when you can.

Just some Thoughts...


What are we really searching for?
Meaning? What it all means?
Codes in words, numbers...Stars?
Are we seeking the Holy Grail of Perfect Symmetry amongst the chaos and calamity that we bumble and fumble in our stride?

Could we be a mass of super-microscopic strings, vibrating to the symphony of our thoughts and feelings? All strings, united...forming onward symphonies?

Does that matter?

Matter=Spirit,
for Matter is Spirit.

One is All.
All is One.

Ok.
We know what that means...lest no longer deny.
Yet, we don't want the work. The responsibility.
UnAware is the wandering journey.
Do we ever really want to Know?
Make it more complex...Bide ourSelves some more time...

It is so much more carefree to be the 'Spiritual Tourist'
than the Spiritual Warrior.
Yet, do any of Us, through fate ever have such privelidge of being So?
Does not life, as if by un-doing, strike us by suprise...
Return Us to the Center of Wonder...
Force us to Listen in InVitation to Engage?
There will be deaths...there will be losses...heartbreaks...
None of us in this World may wander Tourist forever.
Each of Us finds ourSelves Home once again...dwelving...digging the depths...and just wondering why...why?

All is One.
One is All.
You...Me...must first be One.
Our Magical Selves.
Free in OurSelves.
There is no All without that One.
We go against the symmetry of Nature.
We Restrict...We Constrict.
For This. For That.
For Peace...at times with good intention.
There is no wrong...no black and white...when we are True.
Yet, there is wrong when we are not.

"Do as Thou Wilt. Harm no One."

Can we ever do Both?

Why the twisted sundry we are forced like fools to engage and endure on this Earth, of having the knowledge that Oneness is an extension of a reaching outwards in empathy, compassion...the loyalty of caring...yet also the knowledge of One, also an extension of living in Truth from our Own Alone Being?
Each cannot seem to occur without the Other.
Yet many times...they cannot coexist in a way that doesn't leave
someone outside of the One...the All.
'You cannot please everyOne', as they say.
So, Live with Your One, and let the chips fall?

Where is the Bliss...the True uninhibited Bliss in Consciousness?

There comes a Time when the study becomes superflous.
When it avoids and denies the Test we have been so earnestly
crashing for.
Knowledge without Doing is unDoing.

In admitting with humility and modesty that I know nothing,
I open myself to All possibilities...
yet not without claiming forthright that there IS
one thing that I know...
and That is ME.

I don't know Lisa.....

( I could never write as poetically as you...I won't even try )...but I hear what you are saying.

I FEEL what you are saying.

There's always times in our life where we fight against the tide....refusing to give in to it.

And then there are times where letting the tide direct you and giving up that control feels more comfortable....and is the right thing to do.

The power of ONE is exactly that.

ONE.

Not one and kind of another One....

Not one and a wish for another One.

Not One and dreams of more than One.

Just ONE.

Simply pure and divine.

Some people are frightened of how loud the quiet of ONE is.

Others revel in it.

Isn't it about being comfortable in your own skin? Your own mind?

When two halves come together they make a ONE....but it's never a complete ONE....both are too dependant on the other One to keep Oneness whole.

So until you are a ONE...you can't be one.

The journey and quest for One is done alone...whether or not you are.

You can be in a room full of people and still be alone. ONE

You can be married for years and still be alone. ONE

Whether or not you are surrounded by people and their thoughts isn't the point....the journey to One begins and ends alone.

And in this time of duality the only way to become whole as a society is to become a whole as a One.

And each One of us has to find that path to Oneness on our own.

How hard will you fight when someone tries to stop you from that journey?

The idea *shudder* of giving up One to make another one happy........to live as a half to make another One another half???!!!!!!

Couldn't the test be about creating two Ones??????

3000 people died on 9/11

3000 ONES.

Many more thousands of ONES have died since, supposedly for revenge of the 3000.

Greg was ONE man.

ONE man who helped so many other ONES be One.

Which left Fran as a ONE who would rather be a Two.

So One IS all.

and we are all ONE.

So what are we searching for????

the ability...the power....the freedom to be One while living life as a Two....????

Or isn't there more beauty and truth in two Ones together creating the life force of Two?...the power and love of two Ones together????

But what if One one would rather be a half???? where does that leave the other One?????

thats back to the responsibility.....

whos job is that?????

It's all those ONEs that make an All.

as if we have to silly putty together all the halves and say " You'd really be happier if you were a complete ONE, you know"

There is no Bliss in conciousness.....because conciousness means feeling for others ONEs.

hence, alcoholics!

yes..."knowledge without doing is Undoing"

So you 'do' to the best of your abilities.....

and you keep on doing in spite of it all.....

I have missed you HEAR so much.....

Darling Dani

Poetry is Words that come through the Eyes of the Soul, no thing more. It doesn't matter how it's worded...just as long as it comes from there...as Your words have so clearly come.

Thank you.

It All comes from Hear...this One.
Yes, it's enough for One to worry about...no need for the schizophrenia of worrying about the Whollyness of the Other Ones.
Take the Tune of OneSelf...beyond Faith or Control...Let Go...
Really it's already there and no need for Exertion on our part...'cept to give it Space to Shine.

Seeking Bliss....ah, the Fruitless Search when what You are Seeking for is alReady In Hear.
The Search, the Denial of its Existance.

U,
Lisa

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Hi there Dani.
Beautiful Lisa.
No Worries Opti.
PD did read that the Omar K was responsible for making the leadlight in the ChURches of old. No Light needed on the Outside for the pure colors to Illuminate the inside space...ok see you all soon.

Have been wanting to share this for a while hear.

The Fool in his true Light...with the blessed grace of Innocence that braves each day with Purity, Open Heart and Open Eyes. Yes, they're allways open~~deeply Aware~~
Seeing into the Realm unSeen with the Naked Eye...
Faith in the unproven and unSeen, the Strength of Belief lighting each step onwards.


Osho Zen Tarot
0. The Fool

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The Fool

A fool is one who goes on trusting; a fool is one who goes on trusting against all his experience. You deceive him, and he trusts you; and you deceive him again, and he trusts you; and you deceive him again, and he trusts you. Then you will say that he is a fool, he does not learn. His trust is tremendous; his trust is so pure that nobody can corrupt it.

Be a fool in the Taoist sense, in the Zen sense. DonÂ't try to create a wall of knowledge around you. Whatsoever experience comes to you, let it happen, and then go on dropping it. Go on cleaning your mind continuously; go on dying to the past so you remain in the present, herenow, as if just born, just a babe.

In the beginning it is going to be very difficult. The world will start taking advantage of you...let them. They are poor fellows. Even if you are cheated and deceived and robbed, let it happen, because that which is really yours cannot be robbed from you, that which is really yours nobody can steal from you.

And each time you donÂ't allow situations to corrupt you, that opportunity will become an integration inside. Your soul will become more crystallized.

Osho Dang Dang Doko Dang Chapter 2

Commentary:
Moment to moment, and with every step, the Fool leaves the past behind. He carries nothing more than his purity, innocence and trust, symbolized by the white rose in his hand. The pattern on his waistcoat contains the colors of all four elements of the tarot, indicating that he is in harmony with all that surrounds him. His intuition is functioning at its peak. At this moment the Fool has the support of the universe to make this jump into the unknown. Adventures await him in the river of life.

The card indicates that if you trust your intuition right now, your feeling of the 'rightness' of things, you cannot go wrong. Your actions may appear 'foolish' to others, or even to yourself, if you try to analyze them with the rational mind. But the 'zero' place occupied by the Fool is the numberless number where trust and innocence are the guides, not skepticism and past experience.

I am glad You did.



It is One of my Favorite Words.
And Cards,... indeed!


The Fool.

Never expecting to learn.
Probably not even thinking about thinking.
Just BEing.
And Doing.
Acting as if One knew.
What It Is
All about.
Without wanting to Know.
Standing so far Under,
He Overcomes
that which
He cannot See.
Nor even Ever looks at.
A Blind I.

The Fool
Only Lives.
to Some, dismay...
for They know All
and certainly not
standing Under some One else.

The Fool on The Hill Sees
The Sun
Going Down
and
The Eyes in his Head
See the Whirled
Spinning Round......



OH!