Couldn't resist sliding over to the Word Forum.
A Place where hungry Lions await edible Thothts....wishing to devour satiation and fill the void of contentment.

Intimacy.

A Place with no exact location.
No directions to get You there...
No GPS Unit to decipher it's logistics.
Not a single Soul to tell You where it is.
A misconstrued perception of Love for OurSelves.

An empty Vessel sailing the Open See without I's and Or's.

Intimacy.

A Word that conjures the most Private part of our Selves.
A Part that is often unrecognized and undetected...
Even to those who know Us best.

Looking for it can Be an elusive search...for it is invisible to the penetrating I. All Ways hunting in hunger for it's Great Rewards of security and serene contentment.

One can never actually find it if One thinks it is somewhere.
One can never real eyes it, if it is "somewhere" One looks.
However, it is a Source of the Center humans most rely on to understand One's place in the Whirled.
It is the manna that the Consciously Evolved Soul desperately attempts to desipher, decode, nurture... and resolve. (Over and Over again)
Looking through the inside can Be the Greatest Voyage of One's Life.... and also the most painfull.

It is what Most seek most in this often seemingly detached Place of Elemental desires....yet all awhile it has been only the seeking that will set us Free from our search.

I for One, have only recently real eyesed my Search has been in vain. Looking outside my Self for my approval has cost me a great amount of pain and loss of Time.
When all awhile....it lie hidden...synthesized in my Being all along. Waiting for me. Into me See.

What do You see when You Into ME See?

Just a Thotht.


Chahlie

Brilliant, Chahldean and Maria.

Agreed.

This is an interesting topic that you've brought up now Chaldean... Into-me-see has been something I've been struggling with, and quite honestly, I've been looking more at myself than at others, since I figure inside myself is where the problem arises... Gotta love the Venus retrograde huh?

Anyway, I think that it was eloquently put by both Chaldean and Maria.

Well thank You mARIA. It is good to contribute hear aGain.Thanks to Your warm reMinder.

"Into Mate" Purrhaps a Graduate Course for those who find the Truth they have sought within. The ability to share this Truth with One, whom one completely Trusts....a seemingly endless cycle of Give and Take, to whom the Victor is Humanity.
A Space I would Love to Be dizzy in and call Home.

and Ms. Neptune...:) Thank You for having interest enough to read...Being such an "into Mate" subject in such a out-of-box Whirled we Live in. Especially in these hollowed walls of CyberSpace....where intoMEsee has become both easier with Strangers and harder with our Selves. Replaced with Words, Images and emails; our Thothts and Feelings hide in a Plane Site, just behind the "send" button.

And Enchantress... Ah yes, Venus retrograde. The often forgotten tail spin of the hopeless Romantics. I often forget to real eyes it's effect on the Human Heart...or even pay attention to it's influence. But now that You mention it....

Intimacy is indeed a Strange Word when One thinks about It.
So often, we believe we need the companionship of an Other to feel it. Speaking for mySelf of course,...and I believe many males I know.
As if it's hard-wired into our jeans.

Beyond the constraints of the Freudian Master Minds, it is a sense of approval sought beyond our Selves that causes us to act upon the impulses that we believe will cause us to "feel" Whole. To attain Union. To Be balanced through the comapnionship of One who may Love us.
This perpetual Quest often ends in many misUnderstandings of Who we really are and what it is that makes us happy.

WHen One looks deep enough....
long and hard enough...
IntoMeSee
What is IT that makes One truly content?

Not a poll. Just a Questeon.

Dear Chahldean,

I think the greatest gift of intimacy is when one can plumb depths with an "other," which is a very scary as well as totally exciting adventure (so, no one getting far past "intomedating?" ) Usually one does not even venture that far into one's own self. If fear is overcome, one can free oneself from the mask we mistakenly think we need to paste on in order to be accepted and loved ~ the veil ... when an "other" knows us, ALL of our self, and loves us anyways... release into joy.

That's why it is desirable to release judgment. We are all One or alone.

Intimacy is Self meeting Self.

Dive right in, the deep water's nice!

Usually one does not even venture that far into one's own self. If fear is overcome, one can free oneself from the mask we mistakenly think we need to paste on in order to be accepted and loved ~ the veil ... when an "other" knows us, ALL of our self, and loves us anyways... release into joy.

lovely, pd.

good to see your reflections have returned you home, Chahles. In more ways than One. (home here and home to yourSelf.).

not up to my usual rant, but here's a poem written a while back that seems to go with the tone and theme of the words here. Perhaps a metaphor for the Lover's infinite plight, since the beginnings of time.


Original Sin


Knave of my restless heart
Lover of my dreams depart
Undefined Beauty brought us here
torn and burning
Afire with ethereal Vision
of a stillborn aching feeling

Wayfaring Beloved,
how shall I hide it?

No captain...no lighthouse...no shore...

No more denying
Providence, circumstance,
Cruel bright Light
plotted and foiled
our every attempt
to Be Together.

To be Human in each others eyes.


In a secret moment
the Veil was lifted
your Real face taken unaware
shining exposed
under the lamplight glow

and I saw you...

twisted
contorted
vulnerable
manipulative
selfish
afraid...

and I loved you more.


I Loved you even more...

For understanding

For being given the gift of All of you


For realizing my Love was unconditional...unshaken.

Accepting

Enduring.

Adam and Eve after The Fall

trembling naked and exposed
in each other's arms...

metamorphosized from the cocoon


That stark moment of Vulnerability
empowered Us the potential to Love as Gods

There was a choice
a crossroad
Heaven trembled in our arms...


You let go of my hand just then


I wander the wildnerness alone

aching for Our Innocence.

Dear BlueDove,

That poem is just breathtaking! How gifted you are! Thank you for that gift to me today.

That is how I too feel we arrived here, and we are here to find our way back to Eden. By loving truly!

Besides, says so in the Bible.

Sometimes people need to let go for awhile if they get too near the bright light and it makes them afraid... It's so ironic that we don't fear turning away from it as much as we fear it! We sense we are not "ready" so we deny ourSelves awhile longer. Probably with each approach we venture nearer and nearer until we are sure our love is strong enough to try again. It is up to us but we do need to seek divine guidance.

Wow!!! The way words are spoken here, deep, yet so true. My spirit was so lifted within reading each post here... Thanks for the poem Blue Dove, and Chaldean, You Amaze me. Piscesdreamer, so beautifully spoken as usual. I do feel that true love, divine love is found within ones own self when it is allowed to shine through from another. Not having to mask, but to Be...
Peace becomes me...
Bren~

Quote:

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Sometimes people need to let go for awhile if they get too near the bright light and it makes them afraid... It's so ironic that we don't fear turning away from it as much as we fear it! We sense we are not "ready" so we deny ourSelves awhile longer. Probably with each approach we venture nearer and nearer until we are sure our love is strong enough to try again. It is up to us but we do need to seek divine guidance.

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Wow! Very well expressed, PD So very, very true.

I think the feeling of being unworthy prevents most of us from drawing too near to the light, not only the light of God but the light of God that we see in each other. I know that's definitely the case with me. It's the human condition going back to the fall.

Adam and Eve felt ashamed because they were naked. God, in effect, asked them "who told you that you are naked. I didn't tell you that." What is missed in that story I think...what we overlook...is that Adam and Eve hid from God out of a feeling of being unworthy and yet God immediately clothed them...covered their sin, as it were...and God immediately set out to right the wrong...bring good out of it as God always does. God saw Adam and Eve as they truly were, naked and sinful yet, as you said so well, Lisa, in your poem, he accepted and loved them as they were. Maybe loved them more??? Yet we still hang onto that feeling that we are unworthy. Go figure.

I think that what we fear most when we draw too near the light is love itself and the all incompassing love of God. We feel that we are just too unworthy of such love. We feel that way with each other too.

It is a good topic and it is good to see you back here posting again and making us think, Chahlie. Please hang around. We do need to think

Love, Connie

Why do I always hit the Aries sign when I go to hit the Taurus sign? hmmmmmmmmm

Maybe it's because in my chart Mercury is in Aries. And I'm communicating here????? But I do it every time.


Or maybe it's because I'm just getting senile.

Or perhaps you have a subconscious desire to be more assertive?

hee hee. {{{{{{{{{ }}}}}}}}}

I see this Word strikes a Chord in the Higher Lyre of our Hearts. Intimacy.....Hard enough to say, never mind type.

Mirror, mirror on the Wall,...
What's the Greatest Love of All?

Truly the Love of One Self, indeed. A Love like no other. An endless reciprocated feeling of acceptance and understanding. A place where love of Living Begins and the fear of death declines.
A Place hidden deep inside the I's. So subtle, that if One truly looks for It, it is UnVisible.
For what can True Love look like anyway?
Surely there is no Form.
No shape to have or hold.
No Body to size up.
No Things to cling.
Just Pure Emptiness.
Allowance.
Mere existence.
Worthy of Love.
As It Is.



"To be Human in each others eyes.


In a secret moment
the Veil was lifted
your Real face taken unaware
shining exposed
under the lamplight glow

and I saw you...

twisted
contorted
vulnerable
manipulative
selfish
afraid...

and I loved you more."

....That aLone gives any One the True Understanding of Intimacy, Lisa. Written there for All eyes to see and comprehend. Truly Breathtaking.
As if the mirror answered. Bravo!
Quite the content to parallel Intimacy. And the Title.
Can't even BEgin to repond to THAT right now. Wow.

Now, the Wheels are turning.....

Halo Chakrena and PD. All Ways my PleaSure.

And Connie, Thank You for your warm Words and wellcome.
I do miss such discussions and deep thoughts.ANd You as well.

THe Garden of Eden......intimacy.
So much to ponder....
So little sleep.

We're on to something hear.



Chahlie

Lovely words and sentiments Every-One...

Okay, here is a thought on intimacy and I wish it came strictly from me but I borrow from Fr. Richard Rhor from time to time as I also did in my above post to a degree.

Something he said in one of his tapes that I heard while on a week-end retreat at the Capuchin Retreat House really stuck in my mind. He has a way of explaining things by drawing correlations that is rare.

Fr. Rohr was talking about how we all like to try on different clothes all the time to impress others. Here he is speaking of the masks we wear. That is because we are afraid we would not be accepted or loved as our true selves.

He went on to say that we cannot make love until we get naked. The same thing applies to us when it comes to God. We have to take off those clothes we are always trying on and become totally naked... or our true selves, warts and all...no pretenses of who and what we are before we can be truly intimate with God or each other.

That's a real scary and risky thing for us mortals. It is so ingrained in us to wear masks that most of us don't know who or what we are truly like. We fool ourselves too. We don't get naked with ourselves either. I know I like to think I'm a nice person and only think good of myself. Yet I know deep inside that I'm not always nice. I'm not always good and loving either. Something else that no one knows about me...except my family...is that I am really shy and mostly quiet. I have those Cancer moods and that Pisces tendency to be withdrawn.

The choice is acceptance or rejection and I'm going to go for acceptance every time. The reason is that it hurts so much more to be rejected when we are being our true, honest selves than if we get rejected by pretending to be something or someone we aren't. Does that make any sense? I'm having a real problem lately expressing myself as I would like to so I hope it makes sense.

The funny thing about our fear of rejection is that even if we are wearing masks we can still get rejected. In fact we do! If we are accepted while not being our true selves...well who wants to be accepted for being someone they truly aren't? I think that leads to a lonely, isolated feeling because we all truly want to be loved and accepted for who we really are. If only WE knew who we really are!!! And how can I know who you really are if you don't know yourself? What a mess we are!!!

Intimacy requires being totally naked in the fullest sense of the word. Love or being truly loving demands it.

Love, Connie

Hi Connie, So nice to be back chatting with you and everyone here at CE. I can totally relate to the struggling to say how one feels..My thoughts and feelings run so deep but it is a struggle at times to put it out there. I must admit, I am a Scorpio girl that can put my thoughts out more easily in written form rather than express them verbally..It is so hard for me at times to express my true self. It's difficult to bring the depth of my heart to exposure.
You made perfect sense to me in what you wrote..And to be"naked"only means to reveal ones true self in every form. This is how one knows of discovering another in the form of pure love for within this everything about that person's excistence is flawless...
Bren~

Yes, Bren and you expressed it beautifully:

Quote:

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And to be"naked"only means to reveal ones true self in every form. This is how one knows of discovering another in the form of pure love for within this everything about that person's excistence is flawless...

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If we could truly love as God loves us we would love...not in spite of the flaws of the other...but BECAUSE of them. That is the love that my darling daughter, Lisa, expressed in poetry above:

In a secret moment
the Veil was lifted
your Real face taken unaware
shining exposed
under the lamplight glow

and I saw you...

twisted
contorted
vulnerable
manipulative
selfish
afraid...

and I loved you more.

Or as you said:

"This is how one knows of discovering another in the form of pure love for within this everything about that person's excistence is flawless..."

Pure love is love that only grows with the awareness of the flaws in ourselves and when seen in others the flaws only makes us love more.

I think it impossible to find ourself or come to know our true self in others. In fact, what happens is contrary to that. We tend to lose ourselves in others. The only way we can find our true self is in and through God and by getting "naked" with ourselves in the presence of God. If we cannot get that intimate with God - who we can't see - how can we get that intimate with someone that we can see? Another human being. I know of so many people who have been married for years yet never really get to know each other. Unless that is, something happens that makes us aware that the other loved his/her own illusion of what or who we are and not really us as we truly are. We may find that the other person loved an ideal instead of us.

Did anyone ever see the old movie, "The Philadelphia Story" with Katherine Hepburn, Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart? In that movie Katherine Hepburn asks Cary Grant, who is her ex-husband, "Why did our marriage end?" He tells her, " Because you wouldn't allow me to make mistakes. You wouldn't let me be human." In the end of the movie they remarry and live happily ever after. Nice but that doesn't normally happen. She realized how rigid she had been all her life and that it was due to her fear of making mistakes herself and not allowing herself to be human that she projected that onto him. In real life chances are the other person will never admit or realize that the problem was within him/her and not the other.

Mostly it is because we don't see or admit to ourselves our own flaws that we have a hard time tolerating or accepting them in others. Even seeing and admiting our own flaws is not helpful if we don't love ourselves - not in spite of our flaws, but because of them. Once we can accept and love ourselves as we are, flaws,warts and all then we can love others purely and feel comfortable being our true selves with others.

Least that is what I thinks anyway.


Love, Connie

And I think you have some really good points there that match my own limited experiences of life and love.

Wonder and Awe, taking this all In.

Where is this Wondrous Space within found?

In that elusive, yet tangible Space inBeTween Ice-olation and Into Thee See is a Pure-Vessel-Flow for Giving and Receiving; IntoMeSee.

We're forever dancing outside and forward-back around it, but is that Me ever Lost?
In our Frozen Barren Landscapes of Isolation it can be....in the Thee outside the Me.

Yet, only Ever temporal-temporarily.

What sees through these eyes, what feels from this Heart, what craves Silence and Withdraw in times of pain and feelings of alienation, what yearns for that someThing outside of oneSelf to understand and Believe in....always remains onwards inside. Forever regenerating and healing itself, no matter what sufferings or heartaches it endures.

Never does it appear so stunningly beautiful as after that hopeless return from the brinks of its fragile tether... when it redisovers its Innocence and bravely reaches beyond again.

It's where we find our strength--from our loss of strength.
It's where we find our Faith--from our lack of faith.

The Journey sometimes belies the Destination,
but no matter...it's Here.

MMM, yes. I-Solation...
A Place One would think is given to contemplation and nuturance. A Center for Each One to standUnder One's perception of the Whirled in it's a Loneness. A safe haven for Vessels not yet prepaired to endure the vast Open See of IntoMeSee. Securely docked to the harbor and bound by taunt lines and masterCrafted nots. Checking our gages often, to see just when the Time is right to venture out of this safe Place we have designed and paid so dearly for. All awhile.....Waiting. Watching. Wondering.

Looking for encrypted clues, hidden cleverly on the Map of our Heart. The Buried Treasure....
Questioning our Destination. Our PurPose. Our Intentions....Our abilities.
Our shortcomings.
With whom we should share this Journey with? Whom our Crew may Be? What course of Action should we take? Sailing smooth waters,...or rowing feverishly through the Rough Seas. Purhaps both.

Or none at all, if yet, we are reMained to the I-Land we were born.
Only talking of Great Adventures imagined.
Stories and Myths of Great Lives lived in Ports of Call, once upon a Time; far, far a Way.
All Ways wanting the insulation of our I-Solation to disperse with overCast clouds...so that a direct Path to the horizon may Be visible to the Naked I.
Clearly defining the MyStory of our Lives, that one day too becomes a Great Story for Others to here and share in.

The Lives legends are made of.

Checks the Sails...
Pull the anchor...
Set a Course
and go

Chaldean, I always have to challenge the words you put out here so brilliantly. It's like a maze as I read each word and after I'm through I come up with my own conclusion...
Two words define this to me,"Live & Learn" for if we are not learning we really don't exsist at all...
Bren~

Halo Chakrena.
I am so glad You could join me in my Dance.
I offer such Rhetoric for like Minds to challenge or agree...all awhile reconjuring stale THothts into new Ideas. Hopefully swimming the same Tides Linda has in her attempts to make Us think. "Living and Learning" as You say...the two reasons We are Hear.

I am greatFull for Your Energy and look to Be challenged more often. For Forums such as these are truly for learning about our Selves. And One Another.



Chahlie

I am grateful for your energy as well and I look forward to more challenges. So glad we are sharing this same space to learn of our Selves and One Another.
Bren~

Amen to that indeed.

I often find it a mazing my Self, the lack of and perpetual search in thereof Intimacy amongst Hu-Mans. It appears to Be the only Quest One has in this Whirled.
For, in our daily regimine of Maslow's Law, we desperately, secretly yearn to Be needed and Understood by those we find ourSelves attracted to. Not necessarily attracted in the mere physical sense,....but in the Cosmic Energy sense as well. THose we relate to. THose we respect. THose we find ourSelves connected to, no matter what the bind.
In the mirrors of their Souls, we find the Beauty of our Selves. Gazing forever in the Abyss of intomesee.
Hoping to, one Time, truly come face to face with Who We Are,...and Why We Are Here. To feel that security of Oneness with our Selves and One an Other.
Every One and Other.
Being born into such a Whirled is quite the quandry. Through incarnation and such physical passage...through the incredibly painfull labor of both Mother and Child; we find our Selves emptied out on the other end of Existence, like shells reaching for the Sure. Forced into a captured Existence of crafted design and perimeters. Stranded upon the beach, awaiting a warm hand to pick Us up and hold Us.
A Place so foreign to our Etheral Selves,...the search of want and need becomes the only focus of our Being. To satiate both hunger and cold,...to attain warmth and security....to feel needed and wanted. Most of which is usually provided by Loving Mothers; who too, have felt this connection and fulfill the duties of their Heart without question or mental reservation. What is needed is often granted in the most Simplest of Ways...through food, warm caresses and loving words. The connection begins instantaneously. First and mostly through touch.
A heaven on Earth it is to Be a Loved Child.
A coveted Shell.
Held and adored.
Pure Synnastry and reciprocation....
The Golden Years of Life indeed.

The Seeds of a Life Time search for intomesee.

Intimacy is innate through this bond and for Ever imbedded upon our Being.
The Script from which we read our Lines....play our parts,...choose our Players,...Act out our Roles.
The essence of how we see our Selves.
Perpetually seeking the sequel to this tragically beautifull Love Story; we search and scour through Time and Space, the One who can fulfill the Void left years ago in our innosense.
All awhile, overlooking and underestimating the Power of Love in our own mirror. Hidden deep behind the Pains of glass that contain the windows to our Souls.
The approval and connectedness we have had since Birth.
It has never left Us....only buried deeper within the Sands of Time.




Chahlie

Chahlie, you are a special gift. Held close and adored right here and now. As always, I feast on the banquet of understanding you spread.

Maria