I've met someone special, we've not known each other long, but the feelings are very powerful. I'm just worried whether this is going to be a karmic relationship relating to disillusion (with Venus square Neptune).....or whether I have found someone I have a special soul connection with.

If anyone experienced can intuitively read between the lines here, I would be grateful for your assistance (I can't afford to pay an astrologer to do it, though it would be nice).

I've looked up the basic aspects on astrodienst.

Here is the composite chart:



Aspects:

Sun opp. Mercury
Sun opp. Moon
Sun square Neptune
Sun trine Uranus

Moon square Neptune
Moon sextile Uranus

Mercury square Neptune
Mercury sectile Uranus

Mars sextile Saturn
Mars opp. ascendant
Mars conjunct Pluto
Mars sextile Neptune

Venus square Neptune

Saturn trine Neptune
Saturn sextile Pluto
Saturn square Uranus

Pluto opp. ascendant
Jupiter trine Pluto


Sun in the Eleventh House • Sun Opposition Moon • Sun Opposition Mercury • Moon in the Fifth House • Moon Conjunct Mercury • Venus in the Sixth House • Mars Opposition Ascendant • Pluto Opposition Ascendant

Listen,

A couple of things. One it would be helpful to have the other person's birth data so that a basic synastry can be done. Also, I for very sound mathematical reasons am not a big fan of the composite chart - rather I like the relationship chart - while I am not 100% positive about it either, I like it a lot better. You should run it as well and look at the differences - in one case that I did the position of Mars was about 60 degrees different.

Thank you, as always, for being so helpful.

It's interesting that you are not a big fan of the composite charts.

Yes, would be interesting to see what you perceive in the relationship chart.
I couldn't find anything giving a full list of aspects on astrodienst.

So here are the details:

(Edited for privacy.)


Love & Light

Listen,

I am a big fan of a chart between two people as it describes the relationship between them. What I am not a big fan of is the composite chart simply because it divides space and does not take into consideration the speed at which the planets are going at relative to the earth. In the example that I cited, it turns out that the relationship chart Mars was going very slowly and because of that was about to turn retrograde whereas in the composite chart the longitudes are simply divided in two.

I have researched this very thoroughly for a book that I am writing and there are other problems with the composite chart as well. Why is it used - because it is simple to calculate - one uses the positions of the planets in the natal chart and add them up and divide by two (simplistic - there is more to it than this). With the relationship chart, the birth data is added and then divided by two - and in your case, the chart is cast for somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

Astro.com does have the ability to cast the charts. Select the Davison relationship chart (uncorrected). The date of the chart is 8/29/77 at 11:47:30 PM at 41 w 13 30 44 n 04. The Sun is at 8 Virgo and the Moon is at 20 Pisces, and the ascendant is at 11 Taurus.

See what you can do with that and post the image here.

Edited (for privacy).

Listen,

It would help if you could repost the composite method as well so that everyone can see the differences between the two - the charts I used primarily in my research I can't post due to privacy concerns about the other party.

Davison aspects are:

Sun sex. Jupiter
Sun sex Uranus
Sun sqa Neptune

Moon opp Mercury
Moon sqa Mars
Moon sqa Neptune

Merc semi-sqa Venus
Merc sqa Nep


Venus sqa Uranus
Venus sqa Pluto

Mars con Jupiter
Mars tri Uranus

It all seems so complicated.

It's ok now. I had been feeling apprehensive and eager for advice, but I have decided now to just go ahead and persevere in following my own heart and intuition- these things are the really advanced way to put it all together I feel.....our subconscious mind- the most powerful computer of all.

Thank you, as always for your kindness, to all those who have always given me kind words here whenever I have needed them, even though, as a Gemini, I'm not here very often (I'm here, there, everywhere!).
I keep "popping up" out of the blue, LOL.

LOve & Light to everyONE

Listen,

Doing a chart of the relationship used to be "simple" - all one did was the synastry - and then the chart of the relationship was introduced - which is valid - and then something else to consider - what about the synastry between each person and the chart of the relationship...

Dave,

I noticed that Venus is in the fourth house in the uncorrected Davison relationship chart. Is this a good thing?
In the composite chart, Venus was in the 6th, indicating that not much would come into fruition.

I may possibly want to marry this person one day.


P.S. Could one of the moderators edit out the birth data I have given in this thread, as I didn't realize it wouldn't be possible for me to do this myself after a certain length of Time. (I just like to keep stuff like that private if possible).

Lots of

Love & Light

Listen,

A house placement per se is not generally "good" or "bad" - and since the charts have been deleted (and you can put them back in without the birthdata showing) it is hard to say.

How can we know which mathematical system is best as far as astrology is concerned?

Sorry, math never was my favorite subject!

Listen,

If you are talking about the type of relationship chart, then all I can say is that I have done extensive research on them and of the two, the Davison relationship chart is the better of the two for many, many reasons which I go into some detail in a manuscript I am writing.... Do I think that it is the "best" way - no - but I don't have an answer to what is.

It would help if both the charts were posted so that people can see the differnces.

Listen.

I don't have much time today, so I will look at a couple of things briefly.

One is that the Sun's are opposite - that is the case when the number of years betwen the people is odd.

The Moons are also basically opposite each other - I will explain that later.

Note that the Mercury and Venus's are not with the Sun in the composite chart - again, I will gp into that later.

The positions of Venus and Mars are quite different - in the Davison one. Venus is at 1 Leo and the composite is at 25 Virgo.

Mars - 16 Gemini and 15 Libra - trine each other, but a huge difference...

It is all in how the composite chart points are computed. More on that later.

Listen,

The composite chart points are averages of the two positions - and there are always two of them - and the way it works is that the shorter midpoint is always used - and that is why for one that Mercury and Venus can be "opposite" the Sun - the shorter midpoint "happens" to be shorter than the one for the Sun. In this case the same thing is going on with the Moon - hence it is "opposite" the Davison Moon.

OK - the point is that when the composite planet is calculated, no consideration is taken into account for the speed of the planet - which is very key - because if a planet of one is "fast" and the other "slow" the position will be different than if both are slow or fast.

Note that one can not progress the composite chart - what one has to do is to progress each individual chart and then do the composite midpointing of it as well.

I hope this gives you some idea of the problems with the concept of the composite chart. I readily agree that there is a chart of the relationship which is different than that of the individuals involved, but that there are simply problems with the composite method - yes, it was "invented" first and that is because it is simple to calculate - the Davison method can involve some very "messy" calculations of the dates and places of birth.

Hey there,

I just saw your request to remove the birth data and will do it now. Sorry I'm late!

Maria