So Connie/Moonflower… after posting on the thread “Traffic here @ the Original Linda Goodman Fan”
Although I am a member of both sites I do not bring things that happen at LL over to CE. What is at LL remains at LL. There is a reason for that…... The difference is that at CE those rules regarding personal attacks on other members and what amounts to verbal abuse are inforced here at CE without any preferential treatment.

Incidently, Maria, I was the one who voted for the pros and cons of crosstown traffic and this is one of those cons. People bringing LL conflicts over here to CE.

What I actually stated was not to bring "LL conflicts" over to CE. That is to say, taking arguments such as this one which began at LL over to the boards of CE.

For one thing we don't want LL conflicts brought over here and although I can't speak for everyone here at CE, it is my understanding as a member here for a few years now that is probably the same way others long time members of CE feel.

Another thing, no one here at CE who does not go to LL know what the hell anyone is talking about when you bring conflicts over here to these boards that began on the boards of LL.

So really, I am only asking for common courteously and consideration for the members of CE. What it amounts to is taking a bar brawl out onto the streets and dragging innocent bystanders into the brawl.

I know you to be a pathological liar as you told Randall lies about me and what I said in the shout box. I spoke to you in the shout box the night before my modship was stripped asking you for some tangible proof of your claims and the next day my modship was stripped based on your trumped up charges and lies. You are a manipulator who is so used to dishonesty and lies for your own agendas that you were cautious to say it was in the shout box I said those things and not in a post because there is no history in a chat box as things sroll away in conversation as people talk back and forth. So remember, I know first hand what a pathological liar and manipulator you are.

Randall
Webmaster
posted February 24, 2008 09:27 AM

Mirandee, I have nothing against you personally, and you are always welcome here at LL, but it appears to me that you are on a campaign to recruit more Members for CE at the expense of the more "negative" site (us). I have no problem with anyone going to both sites (or any other number of sites) or even choosing CE over this one. We all have our preferences in life. But I can't have my Moderators not supporting the site in which they moderate. You've been in your fair share of conflicts in the past here in LL, and I have always supported you and all my Mods during lapses in judgment that may have been caused by their loss of temper. We are all human. Perhaps, CE will make you a Mod (if you're not already one). That seems to be more of a fit for you. I wish you well in all your future endeavors

Randall
Webmaster
posted February 24, 2008 11:45 AM
Yes, I did. She made a good attempt to remain impartial, but ultimately her loyalties lie elsewhere, and the one thing I must have from my Mods--right or wrong, positive or negative--is a loyalty to the site they moderate. I have literally spilt blood, sweat, and tears creating and maintaining a Lindaland that reflects Linda's beliefs (enduring some very vicious attacks over the years), so I consider it an honor to bestow Modship to those who support our Mission. I feel that she has chosen sides (when no sides really needed be taken). I hold no ill feelings toward her in the least. I just feel that her loyalties are not to us. And that's okay. This current conflict is really nothing in comparison to many in the past, but it still needs to be addressed, so we can move on. As Gregory Ellison often said, "Onward and upward!"

Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake
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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
posted February 25, 2008 03:58 PM

I dont know the whole story, but, according to Mirandee, her mod status was revoked because she dared to suggest that the laws that Randall applies to other knowflakes apply to himself and to his friends….. At least, that's Mirandee's take, as I understand it.

This post was deleted along with the whole thread, due to Silverstone & Bi Bi request, wonder why, may-BE to many truths here.

Randalls posting on LL…
I can't have the negativity disrupt Lindaland any further. I take full responsibility for everything. I had been lax in my duties by allowing conflicts to work themselves out many times in the past. That is my fault. To change that will take some time, but I have to push onward and upward

OK, I guess I finally will take a deep breath, blow it out and dive on in.

This is what I have gathered from many, many people who knew her. Linda was extremely difficult to get along with. Every friend who was ever a really good, close friend with her has a story of "the time I decided I was never going to speak to Linda again, ever." A few relented after Linda bombarded them with calls and letters and "please, please, please." Others stuck to their guns and wrote her off.

She could be extraordinarily generous, but she could also be a holy terror. She yelled a lot. She yelled mean, snotty things a lot. She also did other really odd and goofy things that would freak people out and embarass them. She demanded a lot of her friends and relations, and she was not very good at all at noticing when just a kind word from her, just a small gesture, would have been hugely appreciated in return.

Her kids grew up with Sam while Linda went off to do her own thing. There are nicer ways to put that, but that's the unvarnished truth.

Her last conversation with Sally was a very unpleasant one. Sally wanted Linda's help, and Linda not only wasn't moved to provide that help, she was unpleasant about it.

Of course Linda didn't want to believe that Sally died by suicide afterwards. But most people realistically find it easier to believe that Sally did indeed decide, as some young people having a tough time and feeling emotionally abandoned sometimes do, that she was never going to speak to or see her mother or anyone else again ... rather than that the CIA would pull a black-op on the daughter of an astrologer who was known for ideas out of left field.

The other kids accepted that Sally died.

Linda would also hide from people. She would tell people straight to their faces, "Linda's not here; she's in New York," when she was, in fact, right there talking to them. She would pretend she was her own housekeeper instead. She would pull similar stunts even on close relatives. They would travel hundreds of miles or more to see her, and she would pretend she wasn't home. She would send a friend to the door to tell them she was in another state, or sometimes she would say things like, "OK, you can come in, but your friend / boyfriend / girlfriend has to stay outside." Even to her own kids. And they would say, "Fine," and leave with their friends.

I know that one of her kids, who tried to do well by Linda, eventually told Linda's friend (who would place the calls to this grown-up child for Linda) "I appreciate that you help my mom, but please don't call me again until she has died." I know that another of her kids made it clear on the day of Linda's memorial, outloud and with no attempt to be secretive about it, that in this grown-up child's opinion, their mom was a nut.

Of course, I'm not saying all her ideas were bunk. Not at all. Although, personally, I do think some of her ideas were half-baked and that if she'd spent longer time thinking some things through it would have been a good thing. And obviously, as a writer addressing her readers, she was amazingly effective and pleasant. But in person, she could be a real pain.

Love,
Maria

P.S. I should probably also say that the same is probably also true of a fair number of creative, driven, famous people...

This is what I have gathered from many, many people who knew her. Linda was extremely difficult to get along with.

I know that one of her kids, who tried to do well by Linda, eventually told Linda's friend (who would place the calls to this grown-up child for Linda) "I appreciate that you help my mom, but please don't call me again until she has died."

About BiBi and how close she and Linda might have been, I only know that Evelyn, who answered and placed Linda's phone calls for Linda in the last several years of her life, says she never heard of BiBi DeAngelo. I think it's still possible there was a link, but I find that odd.

S. Star… you are mistaken when you mention that Magical Stone/Silvertone (on LL) and I asked Randall to take down your postings on his site.

Michael, did you personally know Bibi De Angelo as your Mom`s friend and confidant

"I" do not personally know BiBi De Angelo, I have met her over the phone, through Thor, we have spoken many times and she did give me a astrological reading for someone very close to me and she has been very helpful, that being said I have to say that i don't really remember my mother speaking to me about her or their friendship or their business relationship, after speaking to her she does appear to be a very sincere person who loved my mother very much.

Kathleen and Crystal had a falling out over "Linda Goodman's Star Cards." Kathleen was banned from the website. This was before I had any hand in the website....Writeon

Introduction
On October 21, 1995, the world had cause to grieve. Linda Goodman, the internationally adored astrologer and metaphysician, had left this realm on her journey to the next.
I mourned heavily, along with the millions of others who had been touched by Linda's words and work. But my grief also held a personal note. Although I had never met Linda face to face, I once had a memorable encounter with her on the telephone, and had made contact with her on several occasions through a mutual friend. Linda's genius had influenced my life greatly--and early--beginning with my first copy of Sun Signs at the age of nine. Her unparalleled achievement as an astrologer led to my own life-long love affair with the stars. And like her, I had developed the blessings and quirks that are part and parcel to being born under the sign of the Ram.
When Linda Goodman's Star Signs was released in 1987, I was mesmerized by the material, but specifically attracted to her approach to numerology. I found much that I recognized in her use of the Chaldean number system. The Major Arcana of traditional tarot decks is predominantly derived from this same approach. I continued to study the magical energy of numbers and explored other numerology philosophies. During the course of my exploration, I had some very spirited discussions with others in the world of metaphysics. I always returned to this, the ancient system recognized by the Kabala. Linda stated on many occasions her firm belief that this is the only correct system of numerology. My own faith in Linda's teachings has resulted in an amazing journey of discovery, which eventually led to the creation of these Chaldean "Star Cards."
In the fall of 1997, a decade after my initial Star Signs indoctrination, I had the wonderful opportunity to travel to the Holy Land and study the Essene mysteries. This journey was caused, indirectly, by Linda's passing. On the shores of the Dead Sea during a full lunar eclipse, I was given more information about this wonderful and powerful system of number vibrations. I learned to understand the deeper mysteries of the relationship between planets and numbers, blending the ancient wisdom of both astrology and numerology. I was instructed to take these teachings and share them with the world.
Several months later--through an extraordinary series of synchronicities--I was introduced to Crystal Bush, Linda's friend and confidante. Crystal informed me that she had been given the heavy, if wonderful, responsibility to carry on the Goodman legacy. We developed a wonderful friendship and began to work on projects that would continue to bring Linda's teachings to her many fans, as well as reach a new generation of enthusiastic truth seekers.
Then on December 8, 1998, I fulfilled a special and secret promise that I keep to Linda each year on that date. This day was celebrated by the ancients as the festival of Isis and Osiris. It specifically commemorates the healing of the maimed god, Osiris, by his wife and twin-soul, Isis. Every year since Linda passed, I have performed a special ceremony to commemorate the miracle of love, high on a hill in Hollywood, where a white cross marks a sacred spot. Readers of Linda's brilliant and epic love story, Gooberz, will recognize this reference. She spoke often of looking out the window of the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel to the place where the white cross stood.
As I stood atop that hill on a lovely windswept December evening, I heard a clear voice, advising me to create a tool that would facilitate the teaching of the Chaldean numerology system. I saw the cards in my mind's eye and knew that this was an appropriate course. I have personally used tarot cards since childhood, and know what a powerful and accessible tool those can be for enlightenment. As I climbed down the hill, I thought about how much I would personally love to own a set of cards based on the Chaldean system. I drove home, ran through the door, and called Crystal Bush immediately. Crystal understood the special meaning this date held for Linda, and understood why I was so driven to create these cards. They were born on that night, December 8, 1998, a date that adds to the number twenty, signifying a grand Awakening of consciousness.
Was it Linda's voice I heard on the hilltop? Perhaps; I cannot be sure. But I have heard it clearly on several occasions during the last year as I have worked with Linda's material. The most amazing--and humorous--occasion came during the creation of this companion book. I had several moments of anxiety during the writing process, because I feel such a profound responsibility to present such powerful information in the clearest and most accurate format. I wanted to make sure that I was completely loyal to Linda's teachings, while illuminating further the mysteries of this magical numerology.
One night, I was sweating over the descriptions for "twenty-eight", a difficult number to fully comprehend. As I wrote about it, I could feel the resistance; I wasn't getting the meaning down on the page properly. What was bothering me the most was that my description for twenty-eight, "The Trusting Lamb" sounded almost identical to that of twenty-six, "Partnerships." Both numbers caution against misplaced trust in relationships. In my head, I knew the distinction, but I was having difficulty articulating it. Finally frustrated, I decided to get up from the computer and take a break. I elected to have a shower, as I often feel that the element of running water helps to clear my head and inspire me when I have writer's block.
I was standing there, washing my hair, when I heard Linda's perfectly clear voice over the running water. "The difference is in the planets. Remember the astrological basics!" I was stunned for a moment and then burst into laughter. Of course! I was an astrologer many years before I tackled numerology. The difference was as plain as day! Twenty-six is ruled by Saturn and twenty-eight is ruled by the Sun. This provides for very basic fundamental differences in energy. I shouted out "Thanks, Linda!" and ran back to my computer, finishing the description for number twenty-eight.
The next morning, I told Crystal this story and she started to laugh.
"Oh Kathleen," she said in her wonderful Irish lilt. "Didn't I tell you that Linda used to do that? She took a shower whenever she needed to clear her energy. She felt that it refreshed her aura." Crystal then added that Linda believed it was especially powerful if the hair was washed, because it stimulated the energy center (seventh chakra) at the top of the head and created a clearer channel for receiving.
But the shower miracle wasn't over yet. Later that evening, as I was referring to Gooberz (which is always within arm's reach) I came upon a passage that made me laugh out loud, again. There is a moment in the book where Linda scolds herself for not remembering something important about the planet Saturn, the ruler of the enigmatic number twenty-six. She says, "how could I have not remembered the astrological basics hammered into my brain?" They were the same words she had said to me, to trigger my own memory.
I have felt Linda's presence on other occasions, some too personal to mention, others too unbelievable to explain. I hope and pray that this is an indication that she approves of our efforts on her behalf. For my part, I am honored beyond words to have the opportunity to work with Linda's unpublished material and to be connected with her extraordinary legacy. I am grateful to Crystal Bush for her belief in me, and to her daughters, Kelly-Anne and Kate, for all of their assistance.
I will be forever thankful to my own family for their unwavering support as I flew off to the far corners of the earth in search of truth and to further Linda's work: my magnetic Scorpio husband, Peter, who proves Linda's theory that "fours attract fours" (he born on the fourth and I on the twenty-second); my amazing mother, who prepared me for this journey with the combined magic and genius that is only found in Aquarians; and my Leo father for his sunshine-warmth and endless generosity.
Everything I do is with the pure inspiration of my darling children: my special Scorpio-Eagle, Patrick, born under the glittering promise of the number fourteen; and my little Water Bearer, Conor, who embodies the magic of his birth number, twenty-one. I hope that this work will inspire them, and others of their budding generation, to seek the oceans of knowledge that await them at this dawn of a bright millennium.
Linda was fond of quoting the Apocrypha, from the book of Solomon. It seems the appropriate passage to end on:
"I thank Thee, O Great Creator of the Universe that Thou hast taught me the secrets of the Planets and that I may knowest the Times and Seasons of things, the secrets in men's hearts, their knowledge and the nature of their being. Thou gavest me this knowledge which is the foundation of all my Wisdom."
Kathleen McGowan Los Angeles, 1999


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"Keep thou not silent when evil is spoken, for Truth, like sunlight, shines above all." The Emerald Tablets of Toth, Tablet III - the Key of Wisdom
The Star Cards Controversy
In December of 1998, I began working on a project inspired by the late, great mistress of metaphysics, Linda Goodman. The Introduction to the project, below, will explain this in more detail. At the time, I was working with a woman who calls herself "The Keeper of the Vision" and claims to be the individual chosen by Linda to carry on her work after her death. At the time, I believed and trusted this woman as is obvious in the introduction. I no longer do. It is my constitutionally protected opinion that those who claim to represent Linda's work, including this self-proclaimed visionary and the publishing company, Hampton Roads, are deceiving the public in an outrageous and despicable manner.
After the self-styled "Keeper of the Vision" attempted to remove my name from all work I had done for her and proved through her actions total unworthiness to be associated with Linda's extraordinary integrity, I broke off my association with her. It was a bitter divorce. I have since learned that she is publishing the project I originally conceived, calling it her own creation and idea, and creating a fantasy about how the concept came to her while discussing it with Linda. I have just received a letter from the attorneys for Hampton Roads Publishing, a company which ironically declares itself to be "spiritual and inspirational", attempting to deter me from making any copyright claims on the material I created for this project. The full text of that letter will be printed here as a matter of public record in the next few days - I believe that the public has the right to know how this so-called "Spiritual" publishing house conducts business. Among other blatant lies and slanderous allegations, Hampton Roads Publishing, under the direction of "The Keeper of the Vision," claims that I was removed from this project because I was "difficult to work with, having been in and out of mental hospitals."
If it were not so twisted and sick, it would be rather amusing. And if the integrity of a true genius, Linda Goodman, and her legacy were not on the line, it would be almost entertaining.
For the record, I have never even seen a mental hospital, much less set foot in one - I have certainly never been "in and out of them." I can - and will - prove this in a court of law in the near future. Although I frankly don't see how that would make it acceptable for others to steal from me, even if it was the truth. But I cannot fathom that a company founded on spiritual principles would take such a low road in a desperate effort to protect their financial interests. I hope all who read this will consider the source very carefully before purchasing titles published by Hampton Roads - and by the company which now calls itself "Linda Goodman International."
Although Hampton Roads vehemently denies that they have used any of my material, I find it interesting that they will not allow me or my attorneys to view the material before it is published. Even more fascinating is the publisher's claim to "not be in possession of a copy of the manuscript." As a result, I have decided to publicly post MY OWN version of the manuscript here. This is the draft version that was originally rhapsodized over by the "Vision Keeper" and sold to Hampton Roads publishing. As we will not see their own version in print until some time in November, we will just have to wait and see if they are true to their word, and did not use any of my material and design. But you, Linda's fans and the general public, will have read my version first, and can make your own decisions.
PLEASE NOTE: I MAKE NO CLAIMS TO HAVING ANY RIGHTS TO LINDA GOODMAN'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OR PUBLISHED MATERIAL. THE MANUSCRIPT BELOW WAS WRITTEN FOR THE COMPANY WHICH LICENSES HER NAME, ORIGINALLY WITH THEIR FULL COOPERATION. I POST IT HERE SOLELY FOR PUBLIC COMPARISON.
IN THE FUTURE, I WILL PUBLISH THAT PART OF THE MANUSCRIPT WHICH CONSTITUTES MY OWN YEARS OF STUDY IN CHALDEAN NUMEROLOGY.
"He who oversteppeth the Law shall be punished, for only through the law comes freedom." The Emerald Tablets of Toth, Tablet III - the Key of Wisdom

ram queen
Knowflake
Posts: 7
From: los angeles
Registered: Jul 2002
posted April 01, 2005 01:57 PM
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Hello, eternal dwellers of Linda Land!
One of your members wrote to tell me I was being discussed. I thought I heard my ears ringing out in the ethers...

I would invite you all to visit the website for my new book on Mary Magdalene. In the author's notes of my book I write a dedication to Linda (which I can post here - I have to go dig out the manuscript document) because she was instrumental in this quest. Those of you who have devoured Star Signs may remember that Linda believed Mary Magdalene was an Aries. Well, during a five hour phone conversation with her in 1993, Linda whispered a few secrets in my ear that set me upon a certain path in search of the truth. My book is the result of that search.

I wish Linda were here to see what came of it, to see that I proved what she always suspected. But then again, I'm sure she has been with me along the path, and I believe she already knows...

Here is my website:
http://www.themagdaleneline.com

Much love to Linda Land!

Kathleen McGowan

ram queen
Knowflake
Posts: 7
From: los angeles
Registered: Jul 2002
posted April 01, 2005 05:41 PM
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<<<Can you imagine Kathleen and Linda going for five hours...amazing! >>>
LOL - believe me, when Linda was on a roll, the only thing you could do was LISTEN! And I was happy to do it.

I will come back and post more about her here, I promise. I will say that I met her because she was trying to get Oliver Stone to make a film about her search for Sally based on a partial manuscript called "Spiderline." My best friend at the time worked for Stone's agent and got me involved. But then Linda did my chart, and I was never the same.

Here is my dedication to her in the book:

"I owe a debt to the illustrious ram queen, Linda Goodman, the late astrologer and author who first whispered this secret into my ear long before I was ready to comprehend it. She altered the course of my life with that piece of information, and by leaving me her Emerald Tablet translations (Bibi, if you're out there, please contact me!) My destiny remains strangely intertwined with Linda's, a fact that has brought both surprising pain but also great joy. I wish she had stayed with us long enough to see the proof I uncoverd of her own bloodline connections.

I am also grateful that the path through Linda's life brought me to another great author and astrologer, Carolyn Reynolds. Carolyn was my rock through some very dark days with her battle cry of "No one can steal your destiny."

So there you go. It has been an amazing journey of discovery.

- K