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Very interesting info on Linda Bibi... I'd read about her connection to Lincoln here somewhere, but not what you've posted about Sally. I didn't know you knew Linda personally. I never knew she had worked on radio in Pittsburgh. Was her residence on Lincoln St. in Johnstown, PA?

As for Sally's spider line, I wish there was a picture showing it. I'm trying to picture what it would look like. That's so sad that Linda came that close to finding her in Tuscon but struck out. Do you know anymore about that? Didn't the hospital have an address for the girl they treated who looked just like her?

Greetings...

I just want to thank you Bibi for bringing this to so many of us. Linda has opened so many doors to me, I will forever be grateful for that. I am Magical Stone here and Silverstone, moderator of Universal Codes in Lidaland... I thought to bring it here, also, as I know many here also have great admiration for her!

Cheers,
Magical Stone

Hi Silverstone -- Magical Stone -- was wondering if you were both the same person... You're very welcome for all the information I posted at Linda Land (Linda-Goodman.com). Was so nice for everyone to feel so touched by the photo of Sally, information on Linda, and the projects Linda and I worked on together. Seems everyone on Linda Land was so thirsty and in search for "real" information/facts about Linda... I posted it all after I had to come in and educate everyone who I was... because of the posting's one of your co-sight members posted, and it appeared in my Google search! Isn't it interesting how things happen sometimes. So you decided to share my postings over here... I see that over 50 people have come and read your posting, however, only Veneo has posted a reply!

Veneo... It's ok that you didn't know I KNEW Linda... I am honored to call Linda my close friend, and to have had her in my life. I appeared in her national TV commercial to launch the Relationships Soft Ware project that latter became the Relationships Book. Linda & I would spend 12 and 10 hour days pouring over charts, and working on Hazelwood & Spiderline, as well as other projects. I loved her like a member of my family.. and will carry a love in my heart for her until the day I die! It's a very dear relationship I was blessed with, as you can imagine Veneo. If it hadn't been for the lady questioning my website and who I was, I most likely wouldn't have ventured into this website nor the Land Land site; however, destiny MADE it happen and since I've received so many thank you's for all the sharing I"m glad DESTINY forced me to have to come and post the information for all to enjoy and learn from.

It is nice to have it collected in your own special way and from your angle, BiBi. It has all been here for years and years as well, in many of Greg's posts in the Linda forum, along with posts from others who knew her, and that may be part of the reason why there hasn't been as much rush to respond here as there was at the newer site. This was the original Lindaland, so named by a very dear Knowflake named Ginny, called Rainbow, who has since passed on.

I did send you an email after you registered here but before you ever posted here. Did you receive that? I have wondered.

Maria

Hi Bibi,

The reason I didn't know you knew Linda is that I have never been to the other site since this is the original Lindaland. My first experience of you sharing about Linda has been here thanks to the posting of the link by Magicalstone. I'm so glad she shared it, as 1st hand information about Linda from a dear friend is most welcome! I have great love and admiration for Linda as well. If it weren't for her I would not have found my twin soul.

I first discovered Linda when I bought Star Signs... my 2nd purchase was Relationship Signs where I discovered the link to this site before it changed to Conscious Evolution. I'm surprised I never saw the TV comercial you mentioned here.

I would imagine that no one else has responded to this post because it originated from the 2nd Linda Goodman site which was founded after some members (or 1 that I know of at least) were banned from this site, and later started the other one. I myself have never been there because I didn't want to be a part of what was going on at the time. Besides, this was my 1st online spiritual home, so I had no need or desire to go to another Linda Goodman site. It seemed kind of redundant to me. Anyway... that's my 2 cents worth about this subject.

Oh and not to bother you with the same question again, but what is the spiderline that is refured to in Sally pictures?

Well hello you all…

Maria you posted:
It is nice to have it collected in your own special way and from your angle, BiBi. It has all been here for years and years as well, in many of Greg's posts in the Linda forum, along with posts from others who knew her, and that may be part of the reason why there hasn't been as much rush to respond here as there was at the newer site.

My response:
With all due respect Maria.. what I posted has not been seen on your sight. Guess you didn’t go over to the other site and see it all? I have been reading much of your site for many weeks now. I have never seen a photo of Sally on your site… Please refer me to the thread where it appears; and, I never saw the REAL birth information and chart on Linda -- the chart Linda Goodman gave to me herself! I see a lot of you attempting to figure it out – however, I haven’t found the birth information/chart that Linda provided to me personally.

Maria you posted:
I did send you an email after you registered here but before you ever posted here. Did you receive that? I have wondered.

My response:
Maria where did you email me?? I never got an email. I saw the one post you posted on one of the comments I posted. I didn’t seen any private postings in the private mail section, so please share with me -- where did you post??


Veneo you posted:
The reason I didn't know you knew Linda is that I have never been to the other site since this is the original Lindaland.

My response:
Wow… you’ve never gone and read at other sites! Amazing…

Veneo you posted:
I would imagine that no one else has responded to this post because it originated from the 2nd Linda Goodman site which was founded after some members (or 1 that I know of at least) were banned from this site, and later started the other one.

My response:
Veneo… I had heard rumors of that … what in god’s name did the person do to get banned?? I’m going to go ask on the other site too! I spent 3 years working on the Equal Employee Opportunity Council and I’ve always felt … you must hear both sides of the story. So post your side of the story… and I’m going to go see their side of the story. So if I’m hearing you… none of you go visit the other site? Well then, I must cut and paste the information I provided over there and bring it to you all… I don’t want any of you to miss the information that would certainly be a terrible shame!

Veneo your post:

I myself have never been there because I didn't want to be a part of what was going on at the time.

My response:
Veneo, how long ago did this banning happen??

Veneo your post:
Oh and not to bother you with the same question again, but what is the spiderline that is refured to in Sally pictures?

My response:
Sally had a scare that appeared in all photo’s.. believe it was around the eyelid’s… I’m sure you all must have that information in here someplace.

Here is my posting of Sally’s photo:
Here is the photo of Sally – Linda Goodman’s daughter – as promised in my topic thread (this photo was given to me personally by Linda)….. BiBi DeAngelo

Birth name: Sarah Elizabeth Synder
Stage name: Sarah Stratton
























Excerpts from: “Spider Line – Linda’s Goodman’s Search for Sally”

1. “Sally disappeared after threats against her children’s lives were received by Linda Goodman wile she was investigating the boat called “Star Quest”, involved with Watergate and many other nefarious activities under President Richard Nixon.”
2. “There is excellent cause to believe that Sally is alive, and that the book’s revelations of the circumstances causing Sally’s involuntary disappearance.”
3. While Linda was writing a series of articles for McCall’s Magazine, Linda and the Senior Editor, Dalma Heyn, choose the name “Spider Line” for the book. The choice was easy since Dr. Angel (for many years Curator of Physical anthropology for the Smithsonian Institute) told Linda “that in all his years as curator in all thousands, even millions of faces he had studied, he had never once come across the particular “mark” that has appeared in every photograph of Sally, including those taken as a child and blown up.” That mark looked like a Spider Line. The other reason “Spider Line” was a great choice was because it suggests the intricate cobweb of conspiracy Linda came across in her search for Sally!
4. Spring of 1973, Sally then 20 years old, graduated from the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, in New York, where she won the “Best Actress” award, presented by Richard Rodgers and Helen Hayes. Within a few weeks Sally was off to begin her career with her new stage name that Linda had suggested because it was a family surname – Sarah Stratton. Sally was hired to play an ingénue leading lady to the Hackmatack Playhouse, a summer theatre in Berwick, Maine.
5. All the letters Sally wrote to Linda and her stepfather Sam “were filled with news, overflowing with optimism of five plays that would begin in late June and end just after Labor Day.”
6. Sally returned to New York and took temporary residence with the family of Peter Miner, her former director at the Academy. “Linda’s royalties had not been paid, and Linda couldn’t assist Sally financially as she desired, which greatly distressed Linda.”
7. The police were called “on December 9, 1973, to an apartment because friends of Sally who had stopped by to visit Sally, and had noticed a peculiar and unpleasant odor emanating from Apartment 6 B.
8. Address where Sally’s supposed dead body was allegedly found in a dilapidated New York apartment: West 176th Street, Apartment 6 B, New York

Now starts the clues of a Mystery:

1. Police found the remains of a decomposed body of a young female. Nearby, was an 8 page handwritten note, dated December 4th, describing great depression. One autopsy stated death was six days ago. However, other forensic pathologists, after careful study of the autopsy report, later stated that a “partially mummified” body would have to have been dead for a minimum of 3-4 weeks.
2. The autopsy report further stated “that the girl (dead body recovered from the apartment) had drunk a vast quantity of liquor in hours prior to her death, though death itself, the report stated, was a result of a massive overdose of barbiturates. The official verdict: Suicide.”
3. December 10th, Sally’s birthday, “Sam Goodman was called to the morgue to identify the body as his stepdaughter, Sally Snyder. He was accompanied by Aaron Goldblatt, an old family friend. The body of the young lady was wrapped in a distinctive quilt-comforter, rose colored, which had been a gift to Sally from Linda. A powerful “non-verbal cue”, strictly forbidden by morgue regulations, though Sam had no way of knowing that at that time.” I don’t know about any of you, however, any time I’ve seen a body at the morgue they are on the pull out slab and if anything a white sheet over the face… not a blanket from the death scene! Sam was haunted by the vision he saw at the morgue. The young lady looked more like either a “West Indian woman” or “a young black woman” with dyed blonde hair. Then latter, one of the 3 police reports filed referred to the body removed from the apartment as that of a black female with red-gold hair!
4. December 21st… Sam returns to Sally’s apartment to gather her belongings (took Sam 10 days to obtain the keys to Sally’s apartment from the authorities). The visual of Sally’s apartment shocked Sam.. the police report had reported “neat, orderly rooms”…Sam witnessed “blood everywhere … crime investigator Cleve Backstar (experienced crime investigator, called the country’s foremost polygraph expert, and head of the Becker School of Lie Detection, formerly in New York) said at least 5-6 quarts of blood. The mattress was soaked in blood (bed horizontally placed against bed – see police report below)… the walls were spattered with it, there were large pools of sticky, not quite dried blood on the floor; and the telephone was coated in blood, to which a very large quantity of human hair and tissue adhered, as though the instrument had been used to bludgeon someone’s head. The fact that it was long, soft, blonde hair, approximately the same shade of Sally’s hair – to the naked eye – made it an anguishing sight for Sam (and equally so, later for Linda).” NOW listen to this! The original police report stated: “no blood, phone perfectly clean, bed in vertical position… quilt Sally was wrapped up in the morgue… was left on bed… police report stated body was placed in a morgue “body bag”.” I don’t know about all of you… but some FACTS just aren’t connecting!
5. Linda couldn’t dismiss all the inconsistencies! Could anyone dismiss these many different accounts? Also, Linda “had been searching for a very dear friend who had been missing since July 4th 1973, who had been on the boat Star Quest. Linda had alleged that her friend had been an innocent witness to some crime aboard the Star Quest that was connected with Watergate. Linda also alleged the Star Quest was a floating brothel onto which to lure political opponents, then tape and photograph them in compromising positions. Linda’s mind also streamed back to the several threats she’d received against her children’s lives while she was investigating the boat (Star Quest), the most recent threats having been made only a couple of weeks prior to the news that Sally “was dead”.” This is something Linda and I had in common… My mother’s life and my brother’s life were threatened when I was working in Washington, D.C. Linda and I knew many of the same people in the Washington area! Ironically, both Linda and I have our “Sun” located in our natal charts in the 12th House!
6. “Although Linda made repeated and insistent requests, Linda was not given a copy of the autopsy report until nearly four months after her first visit to the morgue.” When she finally received the final autopsy several facts stood out:
• The report stated the girl in the apartment had drunk herself into a stupor, then swallowed vast quantities of barbiturates (though independently retained forensic pathologists insisted the drugs had to have been injected!). Yet, no liquor, no syringes or needles, no pills, no glasses that might have held liquor, and no bottles of liquor, no bottles that might have held pills were found by the police in the apartment!! [It doesn’t take an Einstein moment to figure out.. how is someone suppose to write an eight page note.. and date the note (ha!)… drink herself stone drunk… taken vast quantities of barbiturates.. then what.. get rid of all the evidence and then die??] Question: if you had uncovered all these inconsistencies would you not be doubtful? There is more…..
• The autopsy described “the young girl as 5 foot 3 inches tall.. Weighing 130 lbs. with well developed breasts and moderately long hair – no scalp wounds or injuries” (who got hit by the phone??” For those of you who didn’t know Sally “her vital statistics taken from her medical records made shortly before she left for Berwick, Maine to act during the summer were: 5 foot 5 inches tall, 110 lbs. Small breast, and wore her naturally blonde hair cut short to her ear lobes, this is confirmed in photographs taken in October 1973, after the summer stock season.” There is still more….
• Police reports concerning removal of the body were conflicting! One police officer described a body “removed on the night of December 9, wearing two- pieced, red pajamas. The second police officer said “body as removed on the night of December 11th, dressed in a green print blouse with puffed sleeves. Then one of the physicians described the body being autopsied, on tape, as wearing a pink nightgown. So who was the body that left several pints of blood on the bed, walls… who was bludgeoned in the head with the telephone?? There is still more…
• The book at the morgue… “When Sam Goodman and Goldblatt approached the receptionist upon their arrival at the morgue, and informed the clerk they were there to identify Sally Synder, they were shown an entry book, and asked “Which Sally Synder?” The first entry: Sally Snyder – white female age 20.. West 176th then two lines below … the initial S. Synder – white female – age 21 – West 176th Street. “Sam and Aaron pointed to the first “Sally Synder” entry, puzzled, and said, “I guess that’s the one”, dazed and not knowing what to think at that point.” This entry book was seen and witnessed by 2 people a number of years later.
• Phone bill that came in after Sally’s death indicated that someone used the phone during the time after the police took the body out, and the time Sam Goodman entered the apartment. Did someone use “the blood and hair encrusted telephone to make 2 phone calls to 2 people in Berwick, Maine, both actors in the melodrama during the 1973 summer stock season” that Sally acted with. Why would calls to Sally’s friend in the summer theater occur from her apartment after her so called death? Still more…
• The blood on the bed and walls was tested… guess what NOT Sally’s blood type? Is this getting really weird by now?? “Professor Ray Neff, of Indiana State University (Toxicologist and recognized expert in pathology, from Indiana State University, formerly Coroner in New Jersey for many years) verified that the blood found in the apartment was not Sally’s blood type, and that the hair on the telephone was not Sally’s hair, compared with standards of childhood from her baby book.” Still more…
• Handwriting experts for the supposed 8 page suicide note Sally wrote… guess what…First part of the so called “suicide note and originals of letters written by Sally that summer of 1973 were said to be forgeries by one of the foremost Questioned Document experts in the country!” (Joseph Moomaw, of Colorado, a leading analyst of questioned documents for authenticity or forgery.) Oh, by the way… this suicide note disappeared from morgue files! Want more…
• David Sikes (one time government agent and investigator for the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, who taught the technique of Witness Recall to the FBI. Also, a former bodyguard of 3 Presidents and Henry Kissenger, “obtained many tapes and some signed statements on paper from the actors and actresses who performed at the Hackmatack Playhouse during the summer stock season of 1973. One discusses Sally being told “her mother (Linda) would be “killed” if Sally returned to New York. All kinds of testimony alleged that when the actors worked at Carleton Guptill many where believing and alleged that the crops were being sprayed with a variant of Agent Orange called C-300. This derivative was supposedly harmless to people, was supposedly beneficial to crops, supposedly enhanced their size and speed of growth, their quality and taste. The young performers at Berwick had a regular diet of these C-300 sprayed crops.” [Just FYI… Michael Guptill it was said was appointed by the Department of Agriculture Chief Inspector of all fruits and vegetables leaving the state of Maine.] OK.. now the biggest clue….
• “The day after a body was discovered on West 176th Street, “Sally Synder” was driven to Boston, where she checked into a hotel, stayed a few days, then disappeared. The man who drove Sally there is a nephew of Watergate plumber, Martinez. He showed one of the investigators his phone bill to verify his claim that he had received a collect call from Sally from Boston AFTER the police removed the first body from her apartment!” Might want to read that paragraph again! Ok… now ready to go to Sally might still be a live clue’s….
• Linda hired Daniel Hollman (former United States Attorney, who set up for the Justice Department the New York Organized Crime Strike Force and the Government Witness Relocation Program, who worked with James Steinberg on various occasions in connection with these) & Matthew Byrne (legal counsel to the New York Police Department at the time of Sally’s disappearance and Hollman’s law partner) to research Sally’s alleged death! Are you ready? When Hollman and Byrne made a search for the file on Sally, which police witnesses declared in written statements was “more than five inches thick”, it had MYSTERIOUSLY VANISHED FROM THE DA’S OFFICE!” Ok… I’ll wait and let you re-read that sentence! Yeah, the entire file had mysteriously vanished from the DA’s office. Ok, moving right along… “Later, that same former assistant district attorney, out of office, and then in private practice in New Jersey, contacted Linda, told her he believed all she was saying, and offered his help in locating the missing Sally.” Yeah.. that’s right he wanted to help Linda find her daughter Sally! How rich is that one. “He said he would be in touch with her after he returned from a trip to Tuscon, Arizona”. (I know the spelling on Tuscon look strange, however, it’s the exact spelling in Linda’s Outline of Projected Book. ) He did not contact Linda again. More….
• “In the Spring of 1980, Linda and her investigators received a TIP that Sally was living in Tuscon, Arizona, working in a government underwritten greenhouse, where it was alleged she had undergone a nervous breakdown and had been taken to the University of Arizona hospital. When Linda and her investigators arrived several people of credibility recognized and infallibly identified photo’s of Sally, and it was learned she’d been living under a different name, in a run down house on the edge of Tuscon, with SEVERAL former students of the American Academy of Dramatic Arts!”

The photo I’m sharing with this loving forum to “Linda’s Life” was given to me from Linda Goodman herself. I took this photo to a radionics specialist to determine if Sally was still alive in 1993… upon Linda’s request! The results were that Sally’s energies were no longer on the planet……………….. Believe what you may… you’re all entitled to your free will choices… I’m just sharing from Linda’s “Outline of her Projected Book, entitled: SPIDER LINE, Linda Goodman’s Search for Sally”.

darn it... the photo didn't drop in... I'll have to go and see if I can bring it in another way... so you all can see Linda's beautiful daughter ... you're not going to want to miss this one!

I just tried to get the photo again... I"m not having much success... here is the info I posted on Linda her self... you might have some of it... but I dare say you have it all over here.. you be the judge.. and please enjoy!

Since a member of this forum "yourfriendinspirt" posted a topic thread "Does anyone know of BiBi DeAngelo" it was suggested by my webmaster to respond to this question, since it appeared on my Google search of my name. Since my response appeared several postings down, my webmaster has asked me to start a new thread inserting my reply to the original posting.

As soon as I can get my assistance to scan "Sally's" photo in... I'll share that with everyone. This is a photo that Linda provided to me, and since so many of your loving fan's have posted inquiries about seeing Sally's photo, I'll share it with this group out of love.

Here is my reply to the original posting:

This is BiBi DeAngelo, I found some of the posting in this forum interesting… especially from “yourfriendinspirit” and “Thorshammer”. Since you all seem to desire to know if I’m real… if I truly knew Linda… I feel compelled and guided to post this reply.

Prior to sharing my background with Linda, I would like to address a couple of postings on this site, because it actually appeared in Google searches.

ONE: As for “yourfriendinspirt” posting wondering if Linda would promote all that I do and mention on my website: bibideangelo.com I believe Linda, as I’m sure you’ll agree, promoted assisting souls with information that made their life journey as successful and positive as it could be. When I discussed the possibility of using Astrology with Linda in this format… she didn’t see why it couldn’t work. Then she suggested I do a research of the charts, which I did for almost one year. The research and facts were logical, predictable and accurate. So I followed my guidance, and have been guiding the entertainment industry since 1991.

TWO: As for “Thorshammer” posting wondering why I didn’t give more details on Linda. Well Thorshammer… read the rest of this posting and I believe you’ll be provided with more details. The Webmaster thought it best not to get too personal with items on Linda, however, to educate potential clients how the Science of Astrology could enhance their projects and lives. I listed only two of Linda’s books, because those are the 2 almost everyone knows (Love Signs & Sun Signs). We all know she wrote many more, and I even said so… if you read the posting that “yourfriendinspirt” posted when they wrote: Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo.

I was introduced to my late friend, Linda Goodman, by her business associate, Philip di Franco. Most of you all can find Philips name in her books… Philip was introduced to me by my dear friend Gunnar Keel, son of legendary international singer & Actor Howard Keel.

When I first meet Linda, I was still married and went under the name of BiBi Rude (French accent on the e …like Rose wine has). Since my divorce, I now go with the family name of DeAngelo. I appeared in Linda’s national TV commercial at the request of Linda and Crystal Bush (Philip was also in attendance). This TV commercial was to launch the phone-in venture for “Relationship Signs”. However, the phone in venture quit, and the book “Linda Goodman’s Relationship Signs” was published and released.

My first meeting with Linda was at the Roosevelt Hotel, where she stayed when she was in Los Angeles. She was staying in Suite’s 12-21 & 12-17 (Hollywood, CA) where she had her desk in one room (along with the famous President Lincoln litho -1848-50) and her 2nd Suite with bath, along with her cat that spent most of the day in my lap. What a sweetheart of an animal! As some of you might know Linda was trying very hard to get Hazelwood published, as well as, put on TV. Hazelwood was the novel Linda had written about her belief that she was a direct descendant from President Lincoln. However, Lincoln had been alleged to have a romantic liaison with an Austrian immigrant woman of Habsburg royal blood, and that liaison was alleged to have produced two illegitimate daughters. Linda believed she was a descendant of one of the daughters. We had tried to have CNN get interested in putting Linda’s project on TV, however, all contacts didn’t want to besmirch President Lincolns name with these kinds of allegations.

At the time Linda was also working on the Outline of Projected Book “Spider Line” (which I still have a copy of). Interestingly, every photo taken of Sally had a thin line appear in the photo, therefore, the name spider line. The story was mostly about Sally and Linda’s journey prior to Sally missing, and alleged statements of Sally’s death, and Linda’s non-stop search for Sally. I have a photo of Sally; however, I don’t know how to scan it into your system. Linda always thought Sally looked a lot like Goldie Hawn, I agree. Interestingly, Linda had gone to Arizona on a “tip”, and while visiting a clinic of some type Linda told me someone had grabbed her arm and took her into a room quickly. The person said that Sally had been there (someone who looked just like Sally’s photo; however, somewhat older). Linda had told me that the government wasn’t happy about the book she was authoring, and that Sally had mentioned something in her last phone call that made Linda wonder about Sally being exposed to Agent Orange. Linda had even told me that she wondered if Sally had been taken to be leverage on Linda to stay quite about certain knowledge she had. After Linda’s return from Arizona she gave me one of Sally’s photos (I still have to this day) and she asked me to have a Radionics specialist see if Sally’s energy was still on the planet. When the expert put Sally’s photo on the machine, Sally’s energy imprint wasn’t on the planet. Interestingly enough Linda told me her daughter Jill had mentioned to her she had a recent dream of Sally. Linda said Jill didn’t talk about Sally much, and therefore Linda put special meaning to Jill’s dream.

Linda had returned to Cripple Creek for Christmas of 1993 -- which she wasn’t looking forward to because Cripple Creek had been a very sleepy town prior to the Gambling arriving. Linda use to say how they only had a couple of Law enforcement people prior to the Gambling, and now they had a SWAT team. Her address was: 137 Hayden Place, Cripple Creek, CO 80813. I’ve been told that someone bought her house and now it is suppose to be a hotel or Bed & Breakfast? Linda had told me she moved to Cripple Creek in 1973 after authorities said Sally had committed suicide (which of course wasn’t in Sally’s transits!). That Christmas of 1993 Linda underwent surgery with the removal of her large toe and several parts on her foot. As anyone who spent time with her knew… the first thing she did upon getting back to her room or home was to take her shoes off. I loved that about her, because I do the same thing. After not having Linda return my calls that Christmas, I called Philip and her other business partner Jim McCilian, and they both informed me that Linda had received and indulged in too many holiday chocolates and sweets. Linda was almost addicted to sweets, as she was to coffee and cigarettes, and had been taken into the hospital with a sugar count of around 400. The very next Christmas (1994) the doctors amputated up to her knee. Linda had given out my name and phone number to some of her high profile clients and told them I’d take care of them, because she was felling too sick to guide them at the time. She did this without calling me – as an Aires might do. However, I was deeply honored and happy to assist my friend at her time of need… praying that the assistance would only be temporary. Linda gifted me with beautiful crystals that Christmas, that’s the kind of generous person she was. For the person who goes by “Thorshammer” on this site… I said Linda was my girlfriend… because that is what she called me – her exact words -- and I called her. I don’t know why that would strike anyone as odd. When Linda cared for people she cared deeply – her Venus in Aries. I am not embarrassed to say that I am still moved to tears almost every time I discuss her with people, because the loss of her earlier than it needed to be, is still a deep loss in my heart. God gives you family members, and life gives you friends who are like family. I had never met anyone who enjoyed the Science of Astrology more than my friend Linda, except maybe Sydney Omarr. We shared a passion for astrology that I haven’t shared with anyone since her death. For us to spend 10 and 12 hours a day together pouring over charts, writing letters on behalf of the Hazelwood project, and going over the final manuscript for “Relationship Signs” was pretty normal for the two of us. In fact, we called it “PLAY”. It was never WORK! I will cherish my memories of those days for the rest of my life. The next June (Father’s day) we were doing the TV shoot for Linda’s national TV commercial for a dating relationship call-in service. During the TV shoot I heard the voice that guides me tell me to inform Crystal that we should do the commercial as a commemorative shoot, because Linda would not be with us by the time of the commercials release. I went home and did one of the most difficult things I’ve ever done… I ran Linda’s chart (which she herself had given me – which Philip said she never did) and sure enough weeks prior to the TV commercials launch date, Linda had an opportunity to leave. Linda chose to transition October 21, 1995. I had a vision in my sleep of Linda holding Sally’s hand at the foot of my bed upon waking the next morning on October 22nd. Philip di Franco called me the morning of the 22nd, and told me Linda had transitioned the night before. The TV commercial aired a few weeks latter, just like spirit guidance had instructed.

For those who had posted a desire to know Linda’s chart – I feel guided to share you the information Linda provided to me herself (since this forum has a special love for Linda): April 9, 1925, at 6:15 AM EST, Parkersburg, WVA. Linda had an Aries rising at 22 degree’s 58. Her Sun, Venus and Uranus were all in her the 12th house. We thought it interesting that my Sun, Venus and Node were all in my 12th house. Thus, all my years of working in the government in Washington, D.C.; as well as, working behind the scenes in Hollywood for years. Linda’s birth name: Mary Alice Kemery.

I still advise and counsel the clients that Linda asked me take care of upon her time in need. Since I had the MASTER of astrology to ask questions, I asked her very specific questions that I thought might be possible to do a niche need for entertainment professionals. Linda confirmed my hypnosis, and so I started to run off 800 TV stars, almost 1,000 film stars, Directors, etc. After casting these many charts and researching the results I felt confident enough to embark on guiding the entertainment industry. My clients in the entertainment industry have benefited greatly, and I have enjoyed viewing their success upon the guidance that the Science of Astrology provides. It doesn’t brother me that I’m one of Hollywood’s Best Kept Secrets… because what I deem important is that souls are assisted to their highest good, and the highest good for the planet.

Linda told me to go more public when I experienced my Uranus transits’, and I remembered her words, and have gone more public this year of 2007 – or none of you would have seen my website, nor heard of my name.

The last time Linda gave me a bear hug, in her bear feet, we talked about her transits/cycles for the upcoming Christmas. I reminded her to be careful throughout the holidays. Linda knew she had difficult and challenging transits ahead, how could she not! However, all of us here in Los Angeles, believed her to have been in “ Diabetic denial.” Linda’s eating patterns of sweets all day, endless coffee, and cigarettes she put on her purple plates, might have assisted her transition to the other side. However, anyone who knew Linda would know the incredible joy Linda’s soul must have felt to finally be with Sally!

I hope that her son Michael, the artist, got into Linda’s house, and obtained the Lincoln litho prior to it being sold.

I hope this posting allows you all to know in your hearts that I loved Linda… still love and cherish her memory… and that I feel so lucky to have known her, and called her my friend, and to have had her call me her friend! My life was very much enriched by this dynamo & sometimes fiery petite woman. I thank Gunnar and Philip for bringing her into my life!

In closing, I want to share with Jill if she is reading this. Anno Stearn, who was Ed Hall’s wife, wanted me to tell you hello if we ever got the opportunity to communicate to each other. Anno and I talked to each other on the phone, and finally meet at her home for a breakfast. What a morning! Anno filled me in on your mom and her life up to the point she was with your mother. I filled Anno in on the parts of your mother’s life after she stopped working with your mom. While we were sharing life stories, all of Anno’s kitchen utensils came crashing down! We both looked at each other and laughed… we both felt your mom was there, and made her grand entrance known.

Kathleen McGowan should you want to contact me… my phone number is 310-532-9622. Be happy to speak with you regarding Linda or other interesting topics.

If anyone else has positive things to say, please reply… I”ll try to pop in here in another week or two, and read the enlightened or positive sharing from others who admired and loved Linda!

*** As a post note. I want to thank Thorshamamer and this site for reconnecting me with Kathleen McGowan... we will be having lunch soon and catching up. Also, would like to state that when I have more time, I'll be adding more information on this thread topic.

Make it a great day!

Many people have asked me questions regarding the last book Linda's name appeared on... so here is the information... hope you all enjoy it:

BiBi DeAngelo shares Facts on book “Linda Goodman’s Relationships Signs”

I’ve been privately emailed and asked to shed some light on the facts regarding if Linda Goodman did in fact write most of the content of “Linda Goodman’s Relationship Signs,” printed in 1998/99. Yes, Linda did write most of the content. I believe the reason a lot of people find it difficult to believe that this book was written by Linda was that this book wasn’t as flowing, nor did it have the same ring/rhythm of her very unique style (as I’m sure most of you will agree).

Now, the reason behind the format and style not being reflective of Linda’s prior writing style is that this project wasn’t initially written to be a book! This project was initially written to be compiled into a software program:
(1) that the brief paragraphs you see from pages 56 to page 200, are in fact brief paragraphs that were to compile themselves into a report when people would “phone in”, and desire a report on their compatibilities,
(2) that they had hired a computer programmer to place these brief paragraphs within the software for every conceivable combination for aspecting planets; therefore, when a certain aspect appeared, the software would then automatically search for the paragraph that explained that particularly aspect, and that paragraph would be added to the final report,
(3) that the tables of the Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune & Pluto (pages 250 to 435) were also part of the programming so when certain aspects occurred between two charts the computer software could trigger the appropriate information and mathematical equations.

If you look at page xvii in the book you’ll see where it is explained that the goal was to create a “software”. Philip di Franco was very much involved in assisting this project, and he was the “friend of Linda’s” that introduced Crystal Bush to Jim McLin (Linda’s Manager). I just got off the phone with Philip, and confirmed that fact today! If you’re asking why Philip’s name wasn’t put in?? I don’t have an answer to that question!

I spent 12 and 10 hour days observing Linda grueling with putting her vast amount of insight and wisdom into paragraphs that could only be a certain word count. This structured way of writing wasn’t her style; however, it was demanded for the creation of the software.

Philip di Franco, Crystal Bush and I gathered at Crystal’s Penthouse in Santa Monica on Fathers Day of 1995 to shoot the footage for Linda’s National TV Commerical. I appeared in this commercial, as well as Larry King, Jeff Stearn, and others. This infomercial ran on TV from coast-to-coast only a few weeks after Linda passed on. (I know because friends and clients called me at home, and told me they had seen me in the commercial). This commercial was to motivate clients to phone in and provide their birth dates, and then those birth dates would compile a report. (Very much like the book walks the reader through the reader worksheets found in the book.) Many ask why Linda didn’t personally appear in her own commercial. Linda had her leg amputated to her knee, and had put on considerable weight (approximately 70-80 pounds). She had also cut her hair so short that she didn’t resemble any of the photo’s that appeared on the covers of her books. Also, Linda just didn’t have the energy to travel, and some days to even have a phone conversation (remember she passed away only a few months latter). Therefore, I supplied Crystal Bush, with a photo of Linda, which Linda herself had given me prior, for the commercial shoot.

Some time elapsed after the National TV commercial was aired, and the next thing I know a decision was made to turn all the information made for the software program into a book. Philip di Franco called me and informed me that the software project had been put into a book, and sure enough it was! (If your asking why I didn’t write and work on the book …I was pretty busy… here is a list of the movies or TV Series I was assisting on behind the scenes: (1) Virtuosity 1995, (2) Mortal Kombat 1995, (3) Under Siege 2: Dark Territory 1995, (4) Nash Bridges 1996, (5) Glimmer Man 1996, (6) Multiplicity 1996, (7) Executive Decision 1996, (8) Fire down Below 1997, and (9) Introducing Dorothy Dandridge 1999.)

I'm sure you all over here have heard about the great Kathleen McGowan. She was working with Crystal just after Linda's death... many asked questions to this piece the history.. it was Kathleen that introduced your Sweet loving Greg to Crystal!! Did ya all know that?? So here it is my posting ... so you don't miss anything!

Ever since “yourfriendinspirit” posted the thread “Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo” and then latter posted this:

Here at THIS very site!
The very last post on this page
A little thing inserted in the midst of it all:
" (Bibi, if you're out there, please contact me!) "
This response post is made by Kathleen McGowan herself. [ram queen]
-of all the people in all the world to have made reference...
Could this be the very same BiBi????
Kathleen McGowan dedication in her book:
“I owe a debt to the illustrious ram queen, Linda Goodman, the late astrologer and author who first whispered this secret into my ear long before I was ready to comprehend it. She altered the course of my life with that piece of information and by leaving me her Emerald Tablet translations (Bibi, if you’re out there, please contact me!)……
I’ve been asked how Kathleen McGowan, and I got to know each other. (And Yes, I was the Bibi mentioned above).

Are you all ready… this is a journey down memory lane…

About 2 or 3 years prior to Linda Goodman’s death, I meet and got to know Stacy Metliss, and English woman, who worked for one of the largest Talent Agency’s in Hollywood – William Morris. Stacy was at the Roosevelt Hotel Lounge one night with me, Philip di Franco & Linda Goodman, and after the show was over Stacy and I got to talking. Latter, Stacy called me, and asked me to lunch; because she had someone she wanted me to meet. That someone was Kathleen Harkey (Kathleen was using her maiden name at that time – her last name now -- McGowan).

Kathleen had been working with the Disney group at that time… and a Disney VP had approached me to be part of a new TV show they were trying to Produce. Disney wanted me to be the astrologer, James Van Prague to be the medium/psychic, and they were obtaining a well know psychic and numerologist to fill out the casting. The TV show was to take every day events and have the four of us predict outcomes... provide insight into the current event, etc. Unfortunately, the to-be Producers of this upcoming TV show got into such creative differences, legal papers started to fly around, that the show didn’t see the light of day. Kathleen and I knew many of the same high level executives at Disney, so we had a lot to talk about. We all met for a longggggg lunch, and then went back to William Morris, to Xerox some things I had to give to Kathleen – items Linda Goodman had given me to share.

Furthermore, Kathleen had been contacted to write what we call in the entertainment industry --- a treatment (which is a brief script that precedes the movie script). The script was for “Spiderline” (read my entry “BiBi DeAngelo shares Photo of Sally – Linda Goodman’s Daughter”). This treatment was going to be pitched (presented) to Director, Oliver Stone, through Stacey and the William Morris Agency.

Then, just like in the movie “The Matrix” when Morphisis went to see the Oracle
and it changed his life; Kathleen had her destiny changed when she met with Linda. Linda suggested Kathleen change her name, and told her to the Mary Magdalene story would change her life. Therefore, Kathleen went to the name of Kathleen McGowan and started working on the story of Mary Magdalene and as they say the rest is history!

Veneo... I believe this is the last piece of information I posted over there.. and there you have it sweetie... all the information... Hope you enjoy it all... I"m still trying to get that photo of Sally to drop it... Sorry I do apologize for not being able to supply that right now. I"ll keep trying to get it to post... so come back to this thread latter and you might just get to see it..

Veneo thank you for being so kind and considerate to post such nice warm and welcoming things... :angel:

The following information and facts were shared by Linda Goodman herself, please enjoy and even research if you desire. I can only share with you what Linda shared with me. I use the words alleged and rumored because I do not currently possess the documentation, Linda had the documentation, and shared those documents when I was in her presence. Consider me the messenger to you the listener… a representative of Linda’s truth, as she imparted to me:

Linda’s journey in sharing her birth right…. “Hazelwood.” Following two decades of research, Linda was daring to add a new chapter to American History, that President Lincoln was her great great grandfather. Linda’s claims were reportedly supported by a number of Lincoln scholars and historians. During Linda’s research she also claimed to have turned up letters written by, and photographs collected by, members of the Civil War’s Secret Service, and also the National Detective Police. Linda had uncovered a quote by President Lincoln: “I regret the necessity of saying I have no daughters”. Linda thought that President Lincoln’s sadness, and his known spells of deep melancholy, had been connected to an affair. It was alleged that President Lincoln had an affair with Elizabeth (royal blood of the Habsburg of Austria). This affair was alleged to have been 3 years in length and produced two daughters: Margaret Ellen Eager & Ella Eager – it was reported that they were twins. Linda believed that Ella Eager was her great grandmother. It was rumored that Elizabeth was legally married to a dead man, by the name of Jason Davis, because it was such a scandal to have two illegitimate daughters at this time in history.

It was also rumored that President Lincoln had signed a “Cotton Pass” (which permitted a man from NY named Henry Eager to transport cotton safely thought the lines). This infamous “Pass” was called the “Eager Cotton Pass”. This safe conduct pass for cotton was valued at 30,000 bales or equivalent to $300,000,000 now! Some hypnosis that if President Lincoln had not been assassinated, knowledge of this “Eager Cotton Pass” might have resulted in a huge scandal that may have destroyed Lincoln’s administration. Remember the alleged illegitimate daughter of President Lincoln was named Ella Eager, and the name of the “Pass” – “Eager Cotton Pass”. Think that’s coincidental?
It was also alleged that Judge David Davis had taken possession of all bonds after President Lincoln’s assassination. Now where have we heard the name of Davis prior… oh yeah.. the rumor that Elizabeth married a dead man by the last name of Davis.

Linda Goodman lived at 225 Lincoln St. Johnstown at one time in her life. How ironic is that?

Ella Eager was reported to have married a man with the last name of Kemery. Ella was reported to have a son named William Ellsworth Kemery (Linda’s grandpa). Linda’s father’s name was Robert Stratton Kemery. Daughter Sally (Sarah Elizabeth Snyder) latter took the stage name of “Stratton”. Linda Goodman’s birth name: Mary Alice Kemery. While living in Parkersburg, W.VA. Linda began her career as a newspaper writer in Parkersburg. That’s when she married her first husband William Snyder. Linda gave birth to son William/Bill and daughter Sally with her first husband William Synder.

When Linda started working as a radio announcer in Pittsburgh she took the name of Linda instead of Mary Alice. Then upon marrying the second time to Sam Goodman in 1955, she changed her full name to Linda Goodman. While married to Sam Goodman Linda gave birth to daughter Jill and son Michael. Linda moved to New York in 1963 and that’s when her career truly blossomed. The story goes that Sam Goodman died tragically and suddenly on Thanksgiving morning 1983.

The family has had a priceless litho of President Lincoln, which Linda had professionally dated back to 1867, in the family possession since 1867. Why? This litho was reported to be signed by President Lincoln himself. When I visited Linda at her hotel room in the Roosevelt Hotel, she had this litho hanging behind her desk. I thought it odd at first for her to have this “art” in her room, and asked her one day why she gravitated to this kind of art. Her reply was educating me on her hopeful upcoming book entitled “Hazelwood”.

Interestingly enough it seems that no one knows what happened to the Lincoln Litho after Linda’s death (including her children from what I’ve been told). Having spoken with the Lincoln Historical Communities, they estimated the value of this Litho to be priceless. Rumors abound as to who may have traveled to Cripple Creek to obtain it from Linda’s home, however, it remains a mystery to this day. If anyone who is gifted in the Lexigram’s can do some work on this mystery... would love to hear your results!

I don't mean to ruffle any feathers... I've been asked to share.. so I'm sharing...

Magical Stone... thank you for posting this and allowing me to bring the information on Linda to those who didn't and wouldn't go to the other site and see it... what a service you are to this sight..

Veneo...
by the way dear soul... Magical Stone isn't a "she"... he is a "he"!! just wanted to clear that up... Thank you so very much on educating me about the members on this sight not going to the other site.. I wouldn't have known it... so everyone... send a deep thank you to Veneo for being the facilitator and bringer of any information you read in the postings above that you didn't know before...

I'm going to go see if I can lift Linda's chart off and bring it over here and you all can compare what you have.. to what Linda herself provided... maybe they are the same?? don't know.. but wouldn't want you to miss the correct one in case you didn't have the right one...

ok... I am going to attempt to paste Linda's chart here... keep your fingers crossed!

darn it...
anyone know how to drop in photos and art work???

Magical Stone.. do you know how to drop in the art work dear one??

thanks,
BiBi

Hey BiBi?

Hon, I just get the feeling that maybe your own feathers feel ruffled, or maybe you do want to ruffle some others' feathers. In either case, I would feel sad about it. But sometimes things must be as they are going to be, and then sometimes they get better afterwards.

I would ask you to please slow down, breathe deeply and consider for a moment that as important and valuable and wonderful a human being as you no doubt are, so are we each and all.

There is a lot of interpersonal history here. There is also very deep and abiding love for Gregory here. Those things that occurred when he was webmaster he is no longer here in person to discuss. And, please don't take this harshly, because I do not mean it harshly, but in terms of your wanting to hear "both sides" or any side or even any description of a falling out that occurred between some people before you ever knew any of them, forgive me, but for heaven's sake, who made you judge? I knew all the people involved, I personally did not have a side in the matter, and I still never grasped or knew or understood all the hurt feelings all around that resulted. It was not mine to meddle in. I do not believe it is yours.

I have done my best over the years to bring things to the other site to share, beginning when I was just a member here like any other member. And really, I still am that. I just have learned some technical know-how to keep this place that we love here for us. There have been others here who have also very lovingly gone over to the neighbor site to share. We still keep their link here on our links page, although the other site took their reciprocal link to our site down when Greg died. We still don't badmouth the person who runs the other site, although that courtesy is not always reciprocated either.

There have been some very nice people whose main base is there who come here to share, and I find that very dear. I would love for that to continue, both ways, and for people not to get their feelings hurt all over again. I would appreciate it if you would respect my desire in that regard.

I was moving this website and an entire network of websites from one server to another at the time that you registered here. There was a great deal of technical work involved and I didn't want registrations to get lost in the process, so those people who registered during those two or three days did not have their registrations approved until two or three days after registering. At the time that I did approve your registration, I already knew who you were because of people having pointed me to your postings at the other site. I wrote you an email at the address you registered with, welcoming you and making brief reference to Philip di Franco.

My daughter is waiting for me, and I spent a great deal of my time today working in my professional capacity, which is not here on this site, and I had wanted to give a member here, Dan, a bit of a look-see on his chart, so I will excuse myself from this thread at this time. There are a number of matters you have approached with an unneccessarily baiting air. I have a number of answers, but I do not duel.

To quote Elvis Costello, "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"

Love & light, peace & warmth,
Maria

Re: file attachments --

1. Go to a "Reply" screen.
2. At the bottom, in "Post Options," click on "File Manager (Attach files to your post)."
3. Click "Browse."
4. Use the little box to browse your hard drive for the file you wish to attach.
5. When you have the name of the file in the box, click "Add file."
6. Then click "Done adding file."

That should do it.

Maria

Let's see if this works, Bibi:

Bibi, I copied this from YourFriendSpirit's post, let me know if I did this correct:



From Bibi:

Quote:
"For those who had posted a desire to know Linda’s chart – I feel guided to share you the information Linda provided to me herself (since this forum has a special love for Linda): April 9, 1925, at 6:15 AM EST, Parkersburg, WVA. Linda had an Aries rising at 22 degree’s 58. Her Sun, Venus and Uranus were all in her the 12th house. We thought it interesting that my Sun, Venus and Node were all in my 12th house. Thus, all my years of working in the government in Washington, D.C.; as well as, working behind the scenes in Hollywood for years. Linda’s birth name: Mary Alice Kemery."

It looks like you've done it quite well, MagicalStone. Many thanks.

Maria

Bibi,

Thanks for all of the information you posted above. I did read the entire link that MagicalStone (sorry I said she MS... I didn't know) posted, so I my questions were in relation to what I had read.

I haven't had the opportunity to read all of what you have posted here so far other than what you have said to me (as it is midnight here my time and I am tired and ready to retire for the night).

My 1st response here were my thoughts and speculations as to why no one but myself responded to this post. What I meant to say about not visiting other spiritual sites should have said, I have not visited other Linda Goodman sites... that would be redundant (IMO). Sure I have visited many other spiritual sites, but I have only posted on a few. More here than anywhere else on the web.

I will get back to your questions, if you answer mine. Heehee, just kidding. No seriously, I will read all you have posted here when I have the opportunity, and answer what I can, as I don't have or recall all of the details of what happened way back when. For all I know, Maria already answered you.

Peace & Love,

Kelly

Maria,

Sorry for opening a can of worms ... just sharing in the spirit of truth and understanding that there is a history between this site and the other LG site. It is a factor.

Bibi,

I read Maria's reply to you and I do not remember the details of the conflict at the time (it was something like 5 years ago)... some posts were deleted and/or locked down, so it was significant (I had read them before they were deleted). I have only known Greg to be a fair and honest person who didn't ban people from the site unless there was good reason. Maria already aluded to who it was (his member name here was deathnomore), so there is no need for me to say more on that subject...

Maria...
I don't have a clue what you mean when you say I have my feathers ruffled... my mental state.. emotional state are not ruffled at all... why would you summarize my actions in that way? My only intention was to share... because Veneo said she had never visited the other site! There must be a miscommunication going on here... I"m not ruffled in any way... thank you for your concern though!

Magical stone brought the information in here first...
and he was kind enough to email me to come see...

then, I noticed only Veneo posted.. which was factual...
and then Veneo was kind enough to educate me on why she thought she was the only one that posted...
and I"m glad and greatful she educated me..
because then clarity came to the situation...
and the clarity was that perhaps not only Veneo didn't go to the other site for what every history occurred.. and that it might be appreciated that the information come here... is there something wrong with sharing information... I thought that was the basis of this site.. all of us sharing...

I"m not judging Maria... again... where do you get judging?
I"m asking for clarity... asking how someone would get banned.. can't someone ask for clarity and understanding? When you obtain both sides of the history on an event... you obtain greater understanding and greater clarity... I knew Greg... I meet him once... and for god sakes... I"m not asking anyone to badmouth the person on the other side/site... that would be the last thing that any of us would want to manifest... I asked for understanding as to what possibly could have happened to be banned...Remember I"m the new "folk" Maria... I don't know the history... don't know there are rules... banning potentials.. I don't understand your strong reaction at all... your strong choices of words... no worries... I flow with the flow.. I"m not taking anything personal... ok

Magical Stone... thank you dear soul for taking the time and posting the photo of Sally and the chart of Linda... THANK YOU! Saves me alot of time...

Veneo... take your time reading the postings... no rush.. I shared for everyone to ENJOY... to MAYBE learn something even if it's ONE new little piece of Linda's life that they didn't know before... and to gaze into Sally's photo... can't you see parts of Linda in Sally?

Enjoy everyone!

Veneo...

I don't feel you open ... as you say... a can of worms...
NO... you brought clarity.. and you brought understanding..

Thank you!
BiBi

Great, BiBi!

Then we're all on the same page, and I couldn't be happier. Onward and upward, my dears! Let's all enjoy and learn.

Maria

Not at all, Kel. As ever, your aim is true.

Maria

Bibi... it was no problem!

Hi Maria...

I have a question:
quote:
"It is nice to have it collected in your own special way and from your angle, BiBi. It has all been here for years and years as well, in many of Greg's posts in the Linda forum, along with posts from others who knew her, and that may be part of the reason why there hasn't been as much rush to respond here as there was at the newer site."

Can you please direct me where the same information has been posted here? I don't see any pictures of Sally here, did I miss something? One of the things I did see here was this last year 10/10/06:

http://consciousevolution.com/LindaGoodm...7649#Post157649

Cheers...
MagicalStone

Oh, hey ladies, I also wanted to add this to the discussion, but needed to catch a minute to look it up. Since my daughter just woke me up again ... I'm up.

Kel, since you asked -- Sally's spider line is not a scar. Linda described it as a thin line extending from the inner point of each of Sally's eyelids to about halfway across each lid, horizontally. Greg posted that here on a thread I started years ago, and I have separate verification of it from Linda's writings.

Also, BiBi, when I read in your posting at the other site, and now I believe you've mentioned it here too, that Crystal sent someone to obtain Linda's Lincoln lithograph for herself, I found that quite alarming to think that she would expect to help herself to it, although honestly, not particularly surprising. Just sad and perplexing, if true.

It is common knowledge in Cripple Creek as to which of Linda's family members retrieved the Lincoln lithograph from her home. Beyond that, it's simply not my place to say. But the person who picked it up from her home is a family member, and it is a family heirloom.

Maria

Hi Magical Stone,

Lol, this is so cute.

Greg and others have shared extensive facts from and about Hazelwood and Spiderline in many posts over many years. There have been tons of threads about Lincoln, and Greg went into great detail about all the mysterious factors about Sally, darker skin, different height, clumps of hair, etc. With the topics of the threads referenced being "BiBi DeAngelo shares facts about Hazelwood" and "BiBi DeAngelo shares facts about Spiderline," and having gone and read those threads when they first appeared, and recognized all the material in them, but not having gone and re-read them since your post, yes, indeed, I will say it again: It is nice to have it collected in BiBi's own special way and from her angle -- and I'll add that it's especially so for folks who haven't been reading at these forums from the start.

And, as I said, the facts from and about Hazelwood and Spiderline have all been here for years and years as well, in many of Greg's posts in the Linda forum, along with posts from others who knew her. And, as I said, that may have been part of the reason why there wasn't as much rush to respond here as there was at the newer site.

We have a really good search engine, and it works really well. You can reach it from the link in the peach-colored bar at the top of the page. If your search brings up too many items, you can refine it with the advanced search tips and narrow down the years you're searching through with the timeframe controls. And no, m'dear, I am not going to search it all out for you because I already have more work to do in my life than I could accomplish in three lifetimes. But I can't imagine Greg ever having deleted those things, and I certainly haven't, and I hope the search engine information helps.

I am sorry that I have not made great bounding progress on the biography this year. Life, as it does, has taken its interesting turns and people have needed me, and that's OK by me. I do appreciate your interest and thank you for linking that thread.

It's great that you and BiBi have posted the picture of Sally and the chart that Linda shared with BiBi. I am happy to augment my "Many thanks" with a "Many, many thanks!" I believe that at one point Greg had posted a picture of Sally as well, but perhaps I am remembering that wrong or perhaps he took it down. Perhaps other members will remember and let me know if I am confusing seeing her picture here and seeing it elsewhere, which I have. In any case, this is a great photo, and I'm sure everyone will be hugely pleased to see it.

Now, what's next, Monty? The comfy chair?

Love and hugs and 3 a.m. giggles,
Maria

Hi Bibi, Maria & MS,

The picture of Sally is lovely (she looks so young, vibrant, and very much resembles her mother)... I actually saw it on the link provided by MS here on the 1st post. Linda's chart is a nice addition that wasn't there though.

I'm glad that you are not upset Maria, and am happy to have provided clarity as well.

Love, Peace & Understanding,
~Kel

Maria,

I forgot to thank you for answering my question about what Sally's spider line was. <I was looking for a kiss gremlin, but we don't have one, I wish there was a butterfly too , hint, hint>.

My response to some postings above...

First, Maria, Crystal told me on the phone in her own words and voice she was sending Steve up to get the Litho.. so you can question "if true!"... however, I know my truth.. I heard it from Crystals lips herself! No here-say from some 2nd or 3rd party.. from the source itself. Hope that clears up things on that matter.

Second, I am aware that the Litho is in a vault. One of Linda's children told me that just this week. And Yes I'm very aware that this has been a family heirloom since all that is shared in the "Hazel wood" information I've shared, and most likely your site has shared too. Rumors were floating around recently that the Litho was missing, however, I'm very content knowing it's in a vault after talking with a prime source who should know.. one of Linda's children.

Happy Holidays everyone!

Glad the litho question is settled.

And I'm not questioning your truth! I appreciate the additional detail.

Maria

Kel, you're welcome. So we're looking for kiss, butterfly and pouty-face graemlins? Those are the kind of quick, non-draining things I can do during breaks from this weekend's physical labor. (My knees are aleady stinging-mad at me for all of yesterday's picking up of the Polly village that completely carpeted the living room.) However, if you spot some smileys of the type you're looking for somewhere too, just email them to me and I'll add them in.

Maria

reply to Veneo....

So glad you enjoyed viewing Sally's photo... she does possess the same incredible vitality and energy Linda carried... Linda and I would put in 10 and 12 hour days pouring over charts, manuscripts, etc. and it was I who said I needed to go home and rest!

Yes, there is much more to the Spiderline story, however, at this time that must remain quiet. I was guided to share enough of the manuscript so everyone knew beyond a shadow of doubt that Linda wasn't crazy.

Hi Bibi,

Yes, Sally sure was beautiful. She does resemble Goldie Hawn too. It is a shame that she didn't get to live to her full potential and had to live in hiding away from her family during her adult years. Then again those spider lines were telling, huh? Although, if you look at it from the perspective of living more than one lifetime with the thought process that we choose and plan what we want to accomplish before we are born... then on some level (or levels) she knew what she came here for.

It certainly sounds like the story is not over, and I will be anxious to read more about the story (book?) once the time is right.

Maria,

Oh on the more emoticons. I don't know where to look for any except for my email program (yahoo has a kiss), which are probably not OK to use due to copywrite and such. I'll have to ask Tanya where she got the butterflies she had for her forums.

Thanks.

Love,
~Kel

You can find all of the similes you are looking for by simply visiting photobucket: http://photobucket.com/
Under search, type smilies or any specific name and they should come up!

Maria thanks for your response, though I do not know why you found my post cute!

Have a good week,
Magical Stone

Aww, Magical Stone. Thanks for being you.

I was just feeling like I was in that "Who's on first?" sketch. You know:
"What's the name of the guy on first?"
"No! What's the name of the guy on second."
...only a little more Monty Python'ed up.

I'm an Aries Sun with ruling Mars in Pisces and my natal Mercury right on the cusp, leaving Pisces but barely in Aries, in the zero degree. I tend to think in these kind of Pisces free-association patterns but speak it/write it in short declarative Aries sentences.

And then too ... can't give you the astrological "where" for this one, have to attribute it to my 1960s liberal-Catholic upbringing ... but people really matter to me. People I've known a long time and people I've just met or haven't met, strangers on the street and in other lands ... and my life it very filled with doing for people, doing for individuals, doing for the many, and that's a good thing and I love it.

However, my body-mind (as George Harrison put it, "body-mind") at times enforces stillness and rest. "Be still and know..."

I have a chronic physical health condition. Linda Goodman had one too. After a dozen years living with mine, I don't believe in denying it. I believe in embracing it and being with it. I believe that in some way, it is the mechanism through which God erupts through all the doingness and enforces stillness.

When I feel it coming on, there are a variety of ways it affects my perspective of whatever collection of doings I'm doing. One of the varieties I'm getting better at allowing to happen is just a sort of sliding back, seeing whatever particular thing I'm involved in "out there" in the world as cute and funny in an affectionate way, where I can just sort of slide away from it with fondness to return again another time.

Anyway, I've got Piscean mysts rising up the backside of my brain at the moment. Need to go sit with my little girl and play with the dog.

Love ya,
Maria

Hi Maria..

My Ascendant and Moon are both in Pisces... so I think I know what you mean... I do not believe in the cusp, though... based on personal affirmations.

Have a good night,
MagicalStone

Thanks for the link to find smilies MS.

Pisces Asc & Moon, huh? My 1st husband had that... what is your Sun sign if you don't mind me asking? His was Leo, which really didn't blend very well with them.

Sorry MS

I didn't mean to scare you off saying that you have suff in common with my ex... he had/has a lot of good qualities.

Current husband #2 has even better ones.

Hi Veneo,

No, you didn't care me off! LOL
I have my moon and ascendant in Pisces.
I would think his Leo Sun would mix well with his Moon and Ascendant being Pisces, but maybe it has nothing to do with his placements.

Cheers

Hi MS,

Well, I'm glad it was nothing I said.

As for the ex, actually I don't think his Leo Sun blends too well with his Pisces Moon and Asc... the quincnux is not very harmonious, although I don't think he has it by degree with either his Asc or Moon. He's very deep and caring on an emotional level & in his soul, but this doesn't blend well with his Sun cj Venus in Leo which makes him very selfish with a big ego. He's never wrong, and lord forbid if anyone even tries to imply it.

Just wanted to say that the knowledge Bibi shared regarding Sally was very enlightening. It makes the heart sad reading what they both had to go through, but it is so good to get closer to the actual truth.

I'm glad that in the end, when their ordeal was over they could be re-united once more in the spirit world.

God bless Linda and Sally, their beautiful souls.

Bi Bi,

I couldn't help but notice while reading through this thread that you never answered Kel ( Veneo's ) question about where Linda Goodman lived in PA.


Kel asked:


Can you please answer that question for us? Thanks

Moonflower...

I don't have that information in my head at this minute... I'd have to drag out the box of information and go searching... sorry.

Maria...
I wanted to edit something on my original Thread... over at Linda-Goodman.com we can all just go up and edit our postings.. updating.. correcting spelling on names.. etc. However, you seen to have a "time lock" on your site. Out of curiosity why do you have a "time lock" -- believe it's 4 hours... and how could someone make an update and change their own information if they choose. Please bring clarity... thanks!

Hey there, Bibi,

I just think of it like a conversation, where if you say something, and then more than four hours later it hits you that you wanted to add something else, or you maybe said it in a way that someone might misunderstand it's meaning or whatever, you just come back and say, you know ... oh, by the way, thus and so. Otherwise, I think it can get more confusing if you edit posts that much later, because people may have already responded to what you said or people may have read it already and won't know to go back and read the changed version ... that sort of thing.

Can you just add another message with what you wanted to add? Would that work for you?

Maria

Thanks Maria..
just wanted to fix a typo on Jim's name... no big deal...

Moonflower

excuse me,not like me to barge right in, but Ive just been going up the thread to look at the pics again and saw the address you asked about for Kel, wasnt really reading the thread, just caught the address as it is a separated sentence, am or pm? not quite sure... the irony of that!!...

Weird that the quote didn't put the time there, as it is there in the original post.

As for the Johnstown, question... it still isn't answered. I was wondering if it was Johnstown, Pennsylvania (PA) Linda lived in (I have family there), as I am sure that there are other states that have the city Johnstown besides Pennsylvania. I think that the city of Springfield is in all 50 states of the US.

What I find odd is that if the answer was there all the time in the information that Bibi posted here why did she reply thusly to my inquiry?:



I find it odd that if she knew Linda Goodman so well why would she not know that she once lived in Johnstown, PA off the top of her head? And in fact, Kel is right, she did not name the State of PA. Also, if she knew the material she posted both at LL and here so well why did she not just direct me to where it was stated in her post? That kind of makes me think that material was copied and pasted from some other place and not even read thoroughly enough by Bibi to know what exactly it contained. But that would be plagiarism to not cite the true author wouldn't it and Bibi wouldn't do that now would she?

Another thing that I noticed when you sent me back to look over that post, Daisy was the statement that Bibi De Angelo made here:



The sequence of those events from the time that Yourfriendinspirit mentioned Bibi and the time that Bibi signed on as a member at LL do not coincide with her statement here that she just happened on Yourfriendinspirits inquiry about her by Gooling her name and her webmaster suggested she start a thread to answer the inquiry Yourfriendinspirit made.

The truth is that Bibi De Angelo was signed on as a member for two months at LL before this inquiry was made. Bibi's reply to Yourfriendinspirit's inquiry as to whether anyone knew her was her first post as a member of LL yet she was a member for two months before Yourfriendinspirit came across the post by Kathleen McGowan while just searching through the archives of the Linda's Life board at LL one day. Yourfriendinspirit found the post by Kathleen McGowan interesting but she came across it by accident. So Bibi did not become a member of LL for the reason she gave. She could not have foreseen Yourfriendinspirit happening on a post by accident and then posting an inquiry about it two months prior to it taking place. I don't know exactly when she signed on as a member of CE and if it was at the same time she signed on at LL or later or before.


What do you guys here know about Kathleen McGowan?

Hi Moonflower your post intrigued me and I had a look. Indeed you are right about the BiBi`s posting times/dates.

I don`t know K.M. but theres much on the internet. She has been plagued by plagerism, false identies and lawsuits. Anyone with a keyboard has access to her troubles and should look for themselves if they seek info on her.

I read she channels her work, akin to how BiBi channeled her higher self to "see" 26t was Maria .. Seems some types of channeling fall short of the mark as BiBi was wrong, so it will play out much as it seems to be doing for Kathleen.


Here`s two amazon posts relating to her and her beliefs/troubles.








Charles says:
The Expected One novel fell in the bestseller list, instead of climbing. It will never make number one, not even the top ten. The book also fell dramatically in Amazon sales ranks. The poor writing style and the egotistical claims in the dedication (Mary Magdalene and Jesus are my ancestors) probably killed its chances.

Someone on McGowan's own forum posted today saying they Googled Kathleen McGowan and RLC (stands for Rennes le Chateau) and were astonished at what came up. So I tried the same. Here is what I found.

http://messageboard.cinescape.com/phenome namagazine/forums/showthread.php?t=943

A person with the name RCH writes:
I suppose it is inevitable that this would happen sooner or later. I "met" Kathleen McGowan (aka Kathleen [Harkey] Smith) in 1998. She was lurking under the pseudonym Sherdhana on Laurence Gardner's now infamous Entropic forum, which was based around decoding clues in paintings in the manner of Leonardo da Vinci, which was meant to promote Gardner's then new book Bloodline of the Holy Grail, about the bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. She contacted me offlist and later became part of my own private research group. I still have all of her private emails to me, as it's my policy to keep exchanges of this kind.

At the time, my impression was that Kath clearly had no interest in Mary Magdalene at all... her main obsession was proving that she was the astrologer Linda Goodman's chosen successor. She insisted on sending me a "top secret" document that she claimed Goodman had "given" her... when I received it, I realised that this document was freely available on the internet as Doreal's translation of The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean, a channeled work from the 1930s.

I later got to know the real person Linda Goodman had chosen to carry on her legacy and was horrified to witness what ensued.

So, I guess after Kath realised that she couldn't be Linda Goodman, she realised that she was actually Mary Magdalene.

I think it would be more in keeping with Phenomena's editorial policy if we analysed the book itself here on the forum. I know this material extremely well - especially some of the locations (I had an office in Paris behind Saint Sulpice in the 1990s, so I know Paris, Gisors, Versailles, and Chartres like the back of my hand) which I myself have written about abundantly and I am astonished at the amount of errors in this book.

Another post on the same forum says a French person living in RLC met McGowan last month when she visited there and could tell it was her first visit to the area and she even asked where Poussin's tomb was, because that tomb is a huge feature in her book. Turns out she didn't even know it was demolished years ago and so made that huge error in the Expected One.

Kathleen McGowan now posted to her forum that the people above talking about her on this British forum are psychopathic liars. Here are Kathleen's own threatening words posted today to her forum:

"I am deleting this asrticle and would appreciate it if you
please do not give the narcissistic psychopath who wrote this article
any more attention. She's a lunatic, a liar, and this is libel.
That's why I have lawyers on both sides of the Atlantic and have
become well versed in the libel laws of the UK. I plan to spend quite
a bit of time there in the near future."

The article she refers to which she deleted is here: http://phenomena.cinescape.com/0/editoria l.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Into+Fringe&actio n=page&obj_id=4871

It doesn't scream libel to me at all. McGowan's name isn't even mentioned, though it is implied. She wants to be a public figure, yet cries foul when people question her outlandish egotistical claims. She is very lawsuit happy, too. Somewhere in this Amazon product forum somebody says she sued Linda Goodman's spiritual heir and lost. McGowan claimed she had co-written Linda Goodman's Star Cards (available here on Amazon) and wanted half the profits. McGowan also wrote a very vicious review of Linda Goodman's Star Cards right here on Amazon, it's the third or fourth review listed, where she claims she knew Linda Goodman and wrote the original drafts for the book! The court of law disagreed with her. Now she is sue-happy and has lawyers on both sides of the Atlantic she says. This woman seems egotistical and nasty, in my "constitutionally protected opinion" (a phrase McGowan herself uses in her Amazon review of Linda Goodman's Star Cards).

The rest of the posts discuss the Expected One in more detail (calling it by a hilarious malapropism!) here: http://messageboard.cinescape.com/phenome namagazine/forums/showthread.php?t=943

http://www.amazon.com/McGowan-hypnotism-...asin=0743299426

6 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
Buyer Beware - This is NOT Linda's Work!!, December 28, 2005
By Kathleen McGowan "Author, http://www.themagdaleneline.com"


I was involved with the conception of this project and I even wrote the original drafts. I knew Linda Goodman and I knew Crystal Bush. It is, in my constitutionally protected opinion, a fraud of the highest order to put Linda's name anywhere on this product.

Buy Linda's REAL work - and read about her fascinating, true perspective on numerology in "Star Signs". Discover the amazing secrets she has in store for the world in "Gooberz." Understand yourself and your loved ones through "Sun Signs" and "Love Signs".

But please don't encourage this kind of exploitation of her name! This has gone on long enough. It's time to revere her memory and accept the beauty of the legacy she left us without trying to capitalize on her name with shoddy and misleading products.

The publisher at Hampton Roads should be ashamed of the hoax he is perpetrating with this product. But alas, financial opportunism knows no shame.

The dishonesty and evil intent that surround this product are unworthy of Linda's beautiful energy.

Avoid at all costs.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2MYXS6I3TA4IG/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2MYXS6I3TA4IG

I`m confident if there are any errors here, BiBi / Kathleen will kindly set the record straight.
juni

Thanks for posting that, Juni. That one I haven't seen as yet.

Actually, Juni I was in err in my post. The time frame of when Bibi De Angelo signed on at LL as a member and her first post in response to Yourfriendinspirit's inquiry about her was 4 months, not the 2 months I stated.

Bibi became a member of LL in Jun. 2007 and her first post in answer to YFIS's inquiry was on Oct. 2007.

More info on Katheleen McGowan:

THE UNEXPECTED KATHLEEN MCGOWAN
AUTHOR FACTS STRANGER THAN FICTION
Sunday, August 12, 2007
by Rollan McCleary

I have read The Expected One but am less interested in the novel than its author, Kathleen McGowan, who claims she’s descended from Jesus and the Magdalene, and who employs the medium of fiction to explain how she arrived at these beliefs. The novel itself, the first of three - the next volume is The Book of Love about a gospel Jesus supposedly wrote - was at least sometimes more attractive to me than the inevitable comparison, The Da Vinci Code.

Yet I still periodically wondered if I would be able to get through the novel. The second half is more polished than the first which contains some odd sentences and clichés so that I was not surprised a critic took exception to sentences like one from the first chapter I had noticed like: “History hung heavy in the rarified and holy air as the faithful hurried to houses of worship in preparation for their respective Sabbaths”. Anyway, I feel the writer’s skill developed in the writing and editorial advisors were asleep or overly polite about some passages (and the spelling of some French phrases).

But as said, ultimately it was the mystery of the author and her mind that kept me going. However much I disagree with what McGowan proposes I remain intrigued by what she imagines she’s dealing in, namely major new/alternative information about Jesus. Also how she got this material to the public after allegedly years of struggle is something that naturally interests me after years of experience of the same kind of effort. It seems her Irish Catholic musician husband (McGowan herself has a Baptist background) helped considerably.

Nevertheless by now the Irish American, Hollywood born McGowan has more than overcome any difficulties. While she loudly defends her “Truth against the World” position and protests the injustice of those who demand more academic, written, standard evidence from her, in fact she is very much being heard on her own informal terms with publishing backing her and putting out Expected in at least fifteen languages. Despite the unusual and for some even offensive claims McGowan is making there was not a paper or magazine I applied to in Ireland ( mainly Northern Ireland where McGowan is supposed to have worked in journalism and first report of her claims came through) was interested to have any comment from me. This is from someone published, an Irish national, a doctor of religious studies and himself similarly, if on a very different basis, claiming original information on Jesus at variance with McGowan’s. So she’s well defended and supported for alternative Jesus cults and clearly Ireland is changed or changing.

FICTION, FACTION AND NEW GOSPELS THROUGH FRANCE

The title “The Expected One” refers to prophecies in the traditionally Cathar regions of France that at some point one of the Magdalene’s descendants (she has a special representative in each generation) will present to the world her true story along with a gospel she wrote. The novel includes excerpts from this Magdalene gospel discovered through France - but paraphrased and adapted for the modern reader according to the important Afterword. If you accept the much disputed record of what McGowan has been doing and writing in France and Ireland – there’s no record she was editor of a paper in Ireland though she seems to have been some kind of freelance journalist - then she has been researching her subject for nearly two decades (since 1989) and is very much in touch with some Zeitgeist besides. Necessarily so because if the book cannot be seen as remarkably anticipating both The Da Vinci Code and publication of The Judas Gospel then you will think it has managed to ride in on their coat tails. (However we must allow coincidences – Slavoj Zizev’s The Puppet and The Dwarf of 2003 makes Judas out to be an “ethical hero” and anticipates the Gospel of Judas's line).

Whatever, although Expected is similar to Code for its Magdalene theme, for its French secret societies (and even its murder theme opening ) plus its trendy Gospel of Judas style desire to excuse Judas (and quite a few other people) the novel still contradicts and varies upon claims of DVC and Gnostic gospels considerably. Yes, Jesus was married and had children but he was still divine, crucified and was resurrected even if his project amid this wasn’t to redeem the world (he only died because his good friend Judas bungled some plans!) but rather to give an example and messages of especially forgiveness. For this the Magdalene was Jesus’ true mouthpiece, his real apostolic successor, not the other disciples. It’s incidentally an idea of the book, and a rather Gnostic one, that if one just accepts this forgiveness one will never suffer again. Indeed even Jesus himself didn’t really suffer on the cross and Annas and Caiaphas who realized they made a mistake about Jesus felt bad about it but could have stopped their agonizing over it and got happy if they would have just let go the guilt.

KATHLEEN MCGOWAN’S VARIOUS SOURCES

McGowan’s sources for what she is revealing are threefold and are:

1) Various Gnostic and apocryphal sources like The Gospel of Pilate which make Pilate and his wife virtual saints. Anything approaching the given gospel story of Jesus McGowan recalls in interview having first warmed to at ten years old following attendance at the (itself largely apocryphal and based on Judas’ view of events) Jesus Christ Superstar musical. She began singing its Magdalene’s song repeatedly, her first identification with the Magdalene so she “blames” her subsequent obsession with MM on Rice and Webber. Overall McGowan is biased towards any alternative sources having developed what’s called “a hermeneutic of suspicion” as a result of living in the Ireland of the Troubles. This made her realize the extent to which there's bias and contradiction in the reporting of events. And then there was simply her experience of being a woman. Put the two together and history itself is something to be doubted, especially woman’s.

2) Oral traditions and a variety of private sources in mainly France, sources McGowan cannot or will not reveal because they supposedly compromise people’s safety or secret society rules. This could at least in some instances be true though her information lets down credibility in some places rather badly. Her Magdalene Gospel of Arques is named for and linked in the novel to the Arcadia tomb at Arques, allegedly portrayed in the centuries old famous Poussin picture Et in Arcadia Ego. In fact this tomb, now demolished to keep trespassers away, was only built in 1933 and its Poussin associations belongs to the hoax invented by M. Plantard that the authors of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail took up.

3) Visions McGowan has had and which supply her unique perspectives. Near the beginning of the novel Maureen goes to Jerusalem as McGowan did and is suddenly overcome by a vision of the Magdalene on the way to the crucifixion, a Magdalene who asks for her help. McGowan also claims that she was years trying to process the revelation (i.e. vision ) that MM was first married to a very reluctant John the Baptist (who was a bit of wife beater and who got executed because the really well intentioned Nazarene follower, Salome, in defending Mary tried to get John imprisoned, not as happened, executed!)

However misguided (and even opportunistic) she might be at a certain level I detect McGowan is sincere in her way. I doubt she would quite write the following if she didn’t mean it:

There were many, many times when I wondered about my worthiness to tell this story. I don’t think I’ve slept through the night in more than ten years as I have agonized over the details in this book and its potential repercussions. (p.439)

Also perhaps the admission:

“It literally took years for me to process that revelation [about John the Baptist’s marriage to the Magdalene and his abusive behaviour] before I was prepared to write about it. (p.437)

The first of these statements gives a framework for composition of the book. A bit over 10 years even if not the more contestable approximately 20 years that she tried to persuade her publisher was the case. Before 1997 she had certainly been looking into alternative histories of famous, often maligned people especially women; but something more definite started around 1997 and we can know what it was, namely a trip to Israel. The big question is whether it was a trip for or about the book and the Magdalene story we now have or if a vision about the Magdalene in 1997 was the source of the book. Indelibly inscribed at the Linda-Goodman.com site for 1999 at
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000100.html

we find a message from Kathleen McGowan describing her movements and interests.

She says that in 1997 she visited Israel to study the Essene mysteries, stars, plants etc. This journey was influenced by reaction to her friend, pop astrologer Linda Goodman’s passing, which makes it sound as though it occurred that year rather than 1995. No word here about seeing, studying, or fictionalizing the Magdalene but plenty about the occult and tarot (which McGowan says she has practiced since childhood) and numerology. Supposedly under Goodman’s influence (she was a fan who had only spoken on phone to Goodman but knew rather better Goodman’s confidante, Crystal Bush) she got to preparing a set of star cards to teach a form of numerology. The same site contains an angry letter from “Donna” who tells about legal arguments with a publisher over McGowan’s alleged attempts to erase her contributions to McGowan’s work.

AN ISIS WORSHIPPING, TAROT PRACTICING JESUS DESCENDANT

In December 1998 in honour of Linda Goodman (who had supposedly spoken to McGowan from the other side about a problem with her numerology work) McGowan records that she performed her annual promised secret ritual to Isis and Osiris. While McGowan is entitled to follow whatever beliefs she likes it is, to put it mildly, ironic that someone claiming descent from Jesus and the Magdalene with discoveries of their true teachings for the world should want or need to be worshipping Isis. It would however be consistent with claims elsewhere on the Net that McGowan has been changing personas (in a style fiction writers often do, blending truth and reality, re-writing their own and other people’s histories) at one time back in the nineties putting herself out as descendant of Celtic high priestesses. If so, presumably she wasn’t so deeply if at all into the Jesus dynasty theories as long ago as portrayed. Ten years at most. Or perhaps there wasn’t any clear starting point for specific research ….it was a matter more of precisely vision.

Just as she allowed the deceased Linda Goodman’s voice to illumine her numerology commentary, I should say McGowan is strongly clued into the occult and her visions act as authority with other data a rather minor second. And I would guess that whatever else may be true or false about her McGowan does have these visions ( she has insisted in interviews that the novel's story of vision of the Magdalene in Jerusalem is absolutely authentic as are other reported visions). Her novel’s heroine is Maureen Paschal, a family name she discovers is a Cathar one linked to Magdalene claims. This name and theme fictionalizes issues McGowan portrays as important to her like discovering facts about her father and forebears she would never have imagined like the involvement of her Baptist grandfather in Free Masonry and the esoteric generally.

If McGowan’s forebears had these esoteric involvements then without there being anything so dramatic as a Jesus lineage she could have, as in wicca linked families, inherited spiritual connections of another sort. I am aware that the concern some Christians have about believers dividing their faith with secret societies is because of the sort of legacy (“contracts”) this supposedly sets up, not simply a case of intuitional or psychic sensitivity such as anyone might possess on a genetic basis but contact with spirits which especially arts like Tarot that McGowan has practiced bring into play. Divination as of Tarot is believed to be linked to a specific Spirit of Divination.

A STRANGE SPIRIT STORY

Here I shall make brief digression to tell a story linked to the difficult subject of familiar spirits such as – possibly - McGowan inherits and communicates with when she hears Goodman beyond the grave or sees the Magdalene all over the place. Some years ago someone I knew in astrology circles was recommended to a supposedly very expert Tarot reader whom she visited out of curiosity. This person told me she could never forget and never explain how and why at some point into the session with the pleasant and accurate consultant, suddenly terror overtook her. So as not to seem offensive to the reader or personally ridiculous she had to prevent herself from screaming and running from the room because there, standing above the reader was this terrifying, ugly, salivating monster. I said I couldn’t explain the incident any more than herself unless to say it could have been she had seen a spirit of divination, a “familiar spirit” such as gives the occult such predictive success as it enjoys amid the deceptions and errors and the reason divination is scripturally under ban. (Please note divination is what is based on intuition or working with spirits, not what is empirically derived as in the case of astrology which fundamentalist but not Jews like to lump with the black arts).

LINDA GOODMAN, THE MCGOWAN GURU

Even if this peculiar story is irrelevant Linda Goodman, a sort of occult guru to McGowan, isn’t. Goodman is so important for McGowan’s worldview and for modern New Ageism more generally that we aren’t surprised to learn that like St Francis of Assisi, Joan of Arc and most people of any significance, she’s a Jesus descendant too! The only trouble is that Goodman isn’t quite in a league with the others. The book Linda Goodman’s Star Signs whose numerologies McGowan took so seriously and developed surely deserves a prize for whacky occultism (when I read it parts of the book had me nearly falling off my chair for laughter). Inspired by some spirit who materialized to her in the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel in the course of the book Goodman theorizes she, and in effect no one, needs to die but can live indefinitely on air as a breatharian. She even supplies a diet towards gradually reaching that stage via vegetarian and fruitarian stages.

Whether or not Goodman followed it herself and it contributed to her premature decease the fact is she died in 1995, officially of diabetic complications and staged no resurrections as might have been appropriate given her beliefs re alleged ancestry. She also wrote a huge quasi- autobiographical novel-*** -epic called Goobers about mainly love and reincarnation all in a sort of poetic doggerel. It’s a work that is near Bible to McGowan who admits in her Afterword always to have it to hand. If I rightly recall from my cursory look at the book years ago it included some rather derogatory remarks regarding the Holy Spirit whom Goodman didn’t seem to deem too reliable in marked contrast to the number of the Beast/Antichrist which she speaks of in her numerology in Star Signs. Again this is a pretty poor showing from an assumed Jesus descendant and a spiritually bad vibe too, but McGowan evidently hasn’t taken any warning signals from it (rather like someone I know who had an affair with somebody claiming Jesus descent and who regrets the experience because this person was too much into the dark side).

But McGowan’s trust was perhaps inevitable. The lesson you would learn from Goodman’s esoteric obsessions is to defy all obvious fact and call it something like McGowan’s “Truth against the world”. Another Goodman blind spot had been refusing to accept her daughter was disappeared, dead and would never return. Police finally closed the case as suicide, accidental or deliberate. For years and until the end of her life Goodman was forever invoking power and faith at a personal altar to make her daughter return. It was astrology that gave her the pretext but then her astrology was itself strange. She used a system of houses that most astrologers consider pretty unworkable but this would again fit some “truth against the world” policy as would her insistence against all the facts that Marilyn Monroe had to have been born two months before the given date under Aries, not Gemini.

What perhaps most unites Goodman and McGowan is their birth under the Ram of Aries, the sign strong on ego awareness and the battle. McGowan’s story so far and to judge from the tales floating around is a history of spats, confrontations with people and legal disputes and beyond that a major argument with the world as given, a battle against fact and history. Sometimes McGowan regrets the (biblical) record she subverts and supplants as when she declares John the Baptist to have been an unsatisfactory abusive first husband of the Magdalene and progenitor of yet another special lineage through his one son. (This one son “Little John” whom Jesus adopts when he married the Magdalene is then the source of the idea of a “Beloved Disciple”!). It’s all heady stuff and just possibly having presented the world next year with a gospel Jesus wrote, McGowan will live to regret a few more “revealed” facts. It would be appropriate if publishing and media shared a few regrets about the promotion of this kind of material but it’s not too likely - originally self published it’s gone way beyond any Irish cottage industry by now.

Finally…..I see there is a McGowan Blog if you want to follow further developments and declarations. You may be surprised that for Magdalene’s day July 22nd this year along with prayer to this saint and insistence she was in France and can be felt around the St Baume area McGowan writes as easily as a rationalist about “legends” of the Magdalene. Is there a rationalist side to McGowan?. Who knows? But it does seem likely there will always be an unexpected side.

Posted by Rollan McCleary at 5:58 AM
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3 comments:
Cepheus said...
You put a lot of time and research into the review about McGowan and her background. It was an excellent review. I hope you post a copy at amazon.

Out of kindness (?) you left out a few more details such as her harrassment, attacks and threats against authors and unfavorable critics, or the fact that she has been publicly accused of acquiring most of her "inspiration" and source material from others (not from the dreams and visions she alludes to in her story) including what she calls "the Gospels of Magdalene." Makes one wonder where she will get the "Gospels of Jesus" from for her next book (if indeed that ever materializes).

McGowan appears to be someone who is morally bereft of good judgement when it comes down to her ego and the almighty dollar.

McGowan is a woman constantly on the lookout for ways to reinvent herself and scam the public.
Well, as they say, "Every girl has her price." And her fifteen minutes of fame.

However few would go as far as McGowan for an almighty dollar. Her conflicting and ever-changing claims have been appearing on the internet for years.

""Oh the tangled webs we weave when we first practice to deceive....""

Thanks for the excellent and thought-provoking review.

August 27, 2007 3:36 AM
Critic said...
A fascinating exploration of the Kathleen McGowan phenomenon. Thank you.

There is a long and detailed review of her book under the title "Don't Expect Much from The Expected One", at http://www.mania.com/forums/showthread.s=beaphp?7c6e9168d0c830a2444c8f5aed336&t=2469

This looks at the book rather than its author, so in a way complements your comment.

As you say, there has been a lot of discussion on the internet about McGowan's history over the last few years, particularly her contributions to (and perhaps borrowings from) a number of online speculative groups.

Perhaps the most pertinent point is that the Yahoo group about her book does not allow ANY comment or discussion that she might disagree with, and immediately bans any member who shows the slightest element of independent thought. Banning free speech is a sign of dogmatism and despotism, not of the enlightened person McGowan claims to be.

September 1, 2007 8:09 AM
Richard said...
Spot-on. Those of us who've known Kathleen Harkey Smith (her real name) as an overtly hostile and polarizing presence on various internet forums for the past decade can attest to the fact that her obsession with Magdalene is of recent vintage. Ten years ago she was an IRA courier, a Wiccan high priestess, and a natural blonde. The pinnacle of her literary career at that point had been the ill-conceived "Tragic Kingdom-Inside Michael Eisner's Disney", written while she was herself a Disney employee and which compromised the careers and livelihood of several colleagues who didn't know their words would wind up in print. The book was published and quickly pulped by two vanity publishers in the wake of staggering legal entanglements, while Smith merely changed her name (though not legally) and set of in search of her next incarnation. Her past is too broadly diffused not to catch up with her at every step.

September 1, 2007 9:26 AM
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Kathleen McGowan...although she is a published author of books has been charged numerous times of plagiarizing the writings of others and has not won one of those suits against her. She has also been in and out of psychiatric hospitals and is known to frequent forums on the internet posing as different people. Kathleen McGowan was a member of LL under her own name but recently Bibi De Angelo posted a letter at LL supposedly written to her by Kathleen McGowan which was filled with all kinds of paranoias about behind the scenes things happening at the site and stating that for that reason she was leaving although she had not posted at LL for a long time anyway. So I felt it odd that she would suddenly write a letter about a site and announce her leaving if she hadn't been posting there anyway.


As for the information I just posted about Kathleen McGowan and her law suits for plagiarism and her mental history you can find all that on the internet just by Googling her name as Juni stated. It seems from what a source told me that Linda Goodman was one of her victims as she was also accused of plagiarizing some of her material. Perhaps that was the cards that Juni's article spoke of.

Another thing I find odd is that Bibi has mentioned that Linda Goodman introduced her to her "clients." It's my understanding that Linda Goodman didn't have "clients." Clients are people you charge for your services. Linda Goodman never charged people for doing their charts. Correct me if I wrong about that, Maria.

If that is indeed the case how could Linda Goodman introduce Bibi to clients?

Wow, Connie and Juni, I haven't read deeply into what you just posted. Just skimmed it because I have so much to do. I don't really know what to say on most of it.

About BiBi and how close she and Linda might have been, I only know that Evelyn, who answered and placed Linda's phone calls for Linda in the last several years of her life, says she never heard of BiBi DeAngelo. I think it's still possible there was a link, but I find that odd.

Regarding clients: Linda did read for many people who were well-known or highly placed in the world. Sometimes she did not ask them beforehand if they wanted that done; she just did it. I have not personally seen records indicating she ever took payment for any of those ... and I have seen a fair amount of financial records relative to her writing income, her assets, her expenditures... I know she gave readings to friends and neighbors without charge. I don't think she charged anyone for readings, but it's hard to prove a negative and I haven't seen everything.

Maria

Connie…… think what you will… you will anyways…

Juniper…. Kathleen has written a book that has been distributed to over 40 countries. The floor of lawyers at the publishing firm would have had to have done “due diligence” on her background. Incredible that Kathleen has 6 times as much positive things out on the internet, however, all your postings and Connie’s posting are only sharing the negative. Why is that? Seems odd…

Maria… I find it preposterous that if Evelyn didn’t make a phone call for Linda… then it’s odd.. and an indicator that Linda might not know the person! The majority of my contact with Linda was in Los Angeles, and Linda always called me personally. I think you give Evelyn’s knowledge more merit than it may deserve. Linda referred to her as someone that did her errands for her… Linda may have called Evelyn Sister… however, Linda use that salutation to many people… she didn’t use it as a reference to someone so close they were like family.

You know… if you all think I’m not real… and a con.. then I certainly don’t need to be in this site…I have no need and desire to constantly educate others on the truth. Even more importantly, the most logical thing for you to do Maria, is to delete this entire thread from your website. Feel free to do so!

You know, Bibi, you go an awful long way to defend yourself and I know if I was who and what I say I am I wouldn't find those extremes necessary. In fact, I would just assume that on any online forum on the internet there would be those who are skeptical about all the exaggerated self-promotions and cliams I make. I would accept it as part of the territory. In fact I do accept that there may be those who don't believe all I say on the internet. I would especially expect some people to be skeptical if I didn't offer any concrete proof of my identity and contradict and present as much erronous information as you do. Gullible and irrational people will believe anything they are told on the internet but most of us don't. Let alone exaggerated claims and exaggerated self-promotions. Most rational thinking people want something tangible to support what others claim they are and who they claim they are.

On your bio you state that it was in the early to mid 90's that you arrived in Los Angeles. Then you state that all your contacts with Linda Goodman were in LA. At that time in LG's life it was just prior to her death. She was not all that well and had undergone a leg amputation from the effects of her diabetes. How many trips did LG make to LA at that time to do commericials and was business that important to her when she faced the probability of death? I guess she just put her health and all that aside to be in a commericial with you, Bibi and also spend hours with you doing charts. You have never produced that commerical either. Another one of your many claims that you have not supported.

So lets get real here. Truth is you weren't going to reply here at CE but instead took it to LL and put in two posts there at what was FFA and is now Lindaland Central. The things you stated in those posts about Evelyn upset Michael Goodman and consequently your thread was deleted at his request. So now you are here.

You were undermining Evelyn on those posts, as you are here now, and making it appear that Michael didn't like her which upset Michael because he and LG's kids all love Evelyn. Apparently, to serve your agendas, you are not above posting information that was divulged to you in a private conversation and twisting what was said to mean something completely different than was intended. You know that LG never told you that Evelyn was just a Go For for her - an errand girl. If you really did know Linda Goodman you would know that she loved Evelyn and considered her much more than just an errand runner. You are truly a piece of work, Bibi

You are right. I can think what I want and say what I want and you might not want to know what I do think about exactly who and what you are up to at both LL and CE on the public forums. Because I am an honest and forthright person. Something way beyond your comprehension obviously. I know you to be a pathological liar as you told Randall lies about me and what I said in the shout box. I spoke to you in the shout box the night before my modship was stripped asking you for some tangible proof of your claims and the next day my modship was stripped based on your trumped up charges and lies. You are a manipulator who is so used to dishonesty and lies for your own agendas that you were cautious to say it was in the shout box I said those things and not in a post because there is no history in a chat box as things sroll away in conversation as people talk back and forth. So remember, I know first hand what a pathological liar and manipulator you are. Oddy enough, the same thing was stated about Kathleen McGowan who suddenly sent you an email saying she was leaving LL right after all that went down.

I think that Kathleen McGowan would be very interested in the fact there are two books in the works about Linda Goodman that she is not involved in. There has to be some reason why "Bibi" was signed on at LL and then CE 4 months before she posted the first time. Excuse me for using you in the third person there but I feel if you can talk like Elmo in reference to yourself then I can as well. There has to be some reason why you seem to feel the need to undermine and cut down both Maria and Evelyn while working on Michael Goodman who is also working on a book about his mom.

There has to be some reason why you go to such lengths to do defend your true identity, when all you really have to do is show some tangible proof of it, and why you exaggerate and promote yourself so much. If you did not feel that there was anything valid in JuniperB, Maria, Kel and I questioning things about you on this thread then you wouldn't be here on this thread now and you wouldn't have posted in regards to it at LL. To do so and go to these lengths only tells me that you feel threatened by our questioning your real identity and your claims, Bibi. If you didn't you would just chalk it up to what you said, we can think what we want to think and you would just ignore it. I mean, if you truly are who and all that you claim to be, " Hollywood's best kept secret," then why should you care what anyone else thinks? I know I wouldn't.

The truth is going to come out, Bibi. The truth always does in time. Regarding what is posted about Katheleen McGowan on the internet and there being good things, that is fine, but there are also dualities in life. One of those being that for every positive there is a negative, and both should be recognized. Truthfully the only good things I found about Katheleen were at her own website. Same as your websites, Bibi. Would I expect any different than that at those sites?

You know, BiBi, what you just said speaks volumes ... about you. But it contains not one sliver of truth about the people you think you're trying to talk about or speak for.

I have at times been known to give people the benefit of the doubt, over and over, in contradiction to my own intuitions. I've run out now of any leftover benefit of the doubt to offer you in terms of whether you might actually be a well-intentioned person who just has an unfortunate manner of interacting with others.

Evelyn, on the other hand, has never needed any benefit of any doubt in any area. She simply is what she is all the way through. As truthful and real and caring as the day is long.

Thanks very much all the same for offering your spin on Linda. Personally, I think I'll pass.

Maria

BiBi,



The racier the background, the more money will be generated. Controversy is a good seller and you know it.



To stand on Evelyn`s shoulders to make your self look taller is just the behaviour Kathleen McGowan is said to be known for.


Like WriteOn, thanks but no thanks on your character assignations.

juniperb

hey all

Well, looks like my intuition was right... I saw "Hollywood" propaganda being posted on this site just before I left in disgust, and now I can tell you why.

Bibi, if you are reading this, (and obviously, your ego will dictate that you do) I've just finished reading this long thread, and ICK.

"Beware of false prophets," indeed.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who makes claims to have known "this person," or "that person," and then refuses to step up to the plate and defend these claims is a liar. (Not to mention an egomaniac.)

And the phrase Maria put so eloquently, "To stand on Evelyn`s shoulders to make your self look taller is just the behaviour Kathleen McGowan is said to be known for," kinda makes me wanna say:

Hello, Kathleen. And goodbye, Kathleen.

On a more topical note, any descendent of Jesus and/or Mary Magdalene would have the good grace to keep their mouths shut about it, don't ya think?

anessene

Well... there is a 225 Lincoln St in Johnstown, PA, but it still dosen't mean that it was Johnstown PA that Linda lived at. It's a possibility though.

Bibi,

I agree in that if you are who you say you are, then it should be no problem to show some proof of it. I find it curious that you don't have a picture of yourself on your website and haven't produced one of you and Linda together if you were as close to her as you claim to be. It would certainly clear things up.

Kel,

I agree. That is all I asked for, evidence to support that Bibi is who and what she says she is and knows all the names she drops on the forums. Doesn't seem like an unreasonable request to me. Apparently from what is stated in the article above, we are not the only ones who have requested that evidence.

But I keep this in mind:



Seems Bibi also goes a long way to try silence those that question her or give a differing opinion. A VERY LONG WAY!!!!!

Edited to add:

Bibi, Please refrain from addressing me with my given name. You do not have my permission to do so. That is reserved for friends and family. That I sign my posts at times with my given name shows that here at CE I feel I am amongst friends and my friends at LL have my permission to call me by my given name as well. You don't. So please keep that in mind in the future.

So Busted!!!

hey to juniperb,

Sorry, my friend... I mistook YOUR very eloquent quote as Maria's. My apologies.

anessene

No worries anessene

We`re all on the same page!!

love,juni

I felt that since I mentioned in my post the time period of when Bibi De Angelo became a member of LL and time she first posted I should support that statement with evidence.

So here are two posts of Bibi's from LL which I had saved when I noticed the time difference and you can see on her profile the date she became a member at LL was June, 2007. The following posts were the first time Bibi posted at LL and you can see the dates on these posts.

BiBi DeAngelo
Knowflake
Posts: 603
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2007
posted October 18, 2007 05:56 AM
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This is BiBi DeAngelo, I found some of the posting in this forum interesting especially from yourfriendinspirit and Thorshammer. Since you all seem to desire to know if I'm real…. if I truly knew Linda…. I feel compelled and guided to post this reply.
Prior to sharing my background with Linda, I would like to address a couple of postings on this site, because it actually appeared in Google searches.

ONE: As for yourfriendinspirt posting wondering if Linda would promote all that I do and mention on my website: bibideangelo.com I believe Linda, as I’m sure you’ll agree, promoted assisting souls with information that made their life journey as successful and positive as it could be. When I discussed the possibility of using Astrology with Linda in this format… she didn’t see why it couldn’t work. Then she suggested I do a research of the charts, which I did for almost one year. The research and facts were logical, predictable and accurate. So I followed my guidance, and have been guiding the entertainment industry since 1991.

TWO: As for Thorshammer posting wondering why I didn’t give more details on Linda. Well Thorshammer… read the rest of this posting and I believe you’ll be provided with more details. The Webmaster thought it best not to get too personal with items on Linda, however, to educate potential clients how the Science of Astrology could enhance their projects and lives. I listed only two of Linda’s books, because those are the 2 almost everyone knows (Love Signs & Sun Signs). We all know she wrote many more, and I even said so… if you read the posting that yourfriendinspirt posted when they wrote: Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo.

I was introduced to my late friend, Linda Goodman, by her business associate, Philip di Franco. Most of you all can find Philips name in her books… Philip was introduced to me by my dear friend Gunnar Keel, son of legendary international singer & Actor Howard Keel.

When I first meet Linda, I was still married and went under the name of BiBi Rude (French accent on the e …like Rose wine has). Since my divorce, I now go with the family name of DeAngelo. I appeared in Linda’s national TV commercial at the request of Linda and Crystal Bush (Philip was also in attendance). This TV commercial was to launch the phone-in venture for Relationship Signs. However, the phone in venture quit, and the book Linda Goodman’s Relationship Signs was published and released.

My first meeting with Linda was at the Roosevelt Hotel, where she stayed when she was in Los Angeles. She was staying in Suite’s 12-21 & 12-17 (Hollywood, CA) where she had her desk in one room (along with the famous President Lincoln litho -1848-50) and her 2nd Suite with bath, along with her cat that spent most of the day in my lap. What a sweetheart of an animal! As some of you might know Linda was trying very hard to get Hazelwood published, as well as, put on TV. Hazelwood was the novel Linda had written about her belief that she was a direct descendant from President Lincoln. However, Lincoln had been alleged to have a romantic liaison with an Austrian immigrant woman of Hapsburg royal blood, and that liaison was alleged to have produced two illegitimate daughters. Linda believed she was a descendant of one of the daughters. We had tried to have CNN get interested in putting Linda’s project on TV, however, all contacts didn’t want to besmirch President Lincolns name with these kinds of allegations.

At the time Linda was also working on the Outline of Projected Book Spider Line (which I still have a copy of). Interestingly, every photo taken of Sally had a thin line appear in the photo, therefore, the name spider line. The story was mostly about Sally and Linda’s journey prior to Sally missing, and alleged statements of Sally’s death, and Linda’s non-stop search for Sally. I have a photo of Sally; however, I don’t know how to scan it into your system. Linda always thought Sally looked a lot like Goldie Hawn, I agree. Interestingly, Linda had gone to Arizona on a tip, and while visiting a clinic of some type Linda told me someone had grabbed her arm and took her into a room quickly. The person said that Sally had been there (someone who looked just like Sally’s photo; however, somewhat older). Linda had told me that the government wasn’t happy about the book she was authoring, and that Sally had mentioned something in her last phone call that made Linda wonder about Sally being exposed to Agent Orange. Linda had even told me that she wondered if Sally had been taken to be leverage on Linda to stay quite about certain knowledge she had. After Linda’s return from Arizona she gave me one of Sally’s photos (I still have to this day) and she asked me to have a Radionics specialist see if Sally’s energy was still on the planet. When the expert put Sally’s photo on the machine, Sally’s energy imprint wasn’t on the planet. Interestingly enough Linda told me her daughter Jill had mentioned to her she had a recent dream of Sally. Linda said Jill didn’t talk about Sally much, and therefore Linda put special meaning to Jill’s dream.

Linda had returned to Cripple Creek for Christmas of 1993 -- which she wasn’t looking forward to because Cripple Creek had been a very sleepy town prior to the Gambling arriving. Linda use to say how they only had a couple of Law enforcement people prior to the Gambling, and now they had a SWAT team. Her address was: 137 Hayden Place, Cripple Creek, CO 80813. Linda had told me she moved to Cripple Creek in 1973 after authorities said Sally had committed suicide (which of course wasn’t in Sally’s transits!). That Christmas of 1993 Linda underwent surgery with the removal of her large toe and several parts on her foot. As anyone who spent time with her knew… the first thing she did upon getting back to her room or home was to take her shoes off. I loved that about her, because I do the same thing. After not having Linda return my calls that Christmas, I called Philip and her other business partner Jim McCilian, and they both informed me that Linda had received and indulged in too many holiday chocolates and sweets. Linda was almost addicted to sweets, as she was to coffee and cigarettes, and had been taken into the hospital with a sugar count of around 400. The very next Christmas (1994) the doctors amputated up to her knee. Linda had given out my name and phone number to some of her high profile clients and told them I’d take care of them, because she was felling too sick to guide them at the time. She did this without calling me – as an Aires might do. However, I was deeply honored and happy to assist my friend at her time of need… praying that the assistance would only be temporary. Linda gifted me with beautiful crystals that Christmas, that’s the kind of generous person she was. For the person who goes by Thorshammer on this site… I said Linda was my girlfriend… because that is what she called me – her exact words -- and I called her. I don’t know why that would strike anyone as odd. When Linda cared for people she cared deeply – her Venus in Aries. I am not embarrassed to say that I am still moved to tears almost every time I discuss her with people, because the loss of her earlier than it needed to be, is still a deep loss in my heart. God gives you family members, and life gives you friends who are like family. I had never met anyone who enjoyed the Science of Astrology more than my friend Linda, except maybe Sydney Omarr. We shared a passion for astrology that I haven’t shared with anyone since her death. For us to spend 10 and 12 hours a day together pouring over charts, writing letters on behalf of the Hazelwood project, and going over the final manuscript for Relationship Signs was pretty normal for the two of us. In fact, we called it PLAY. It was never WORK! I will cherish my memories of those days for the rest of my life. The next June (Father’s day) we were doing the TV shoot for Linda’s national TV commercial for a dating relationship call-in service. During the TV shoot I heard the voice that guides me tell me to inform Crystal that we should do the commercial as a commemorative shoot, because Linda would not be with us by the time of the commercials release. I went home and did one of the most difficult things I’ve ever done… I ran Linda’s chart (which she herself had given me – which Philip said she never did) and sure enough weeks prior to the TV commercials launch date, Linda had an opportunity to leave. Linda chose to transition October 21, 1995. I had a vision in my sleep of Linda holding Sally’s hand at the foot of my bed upon waking the next morning on October 22nd. Philip di Franco called me the morning of the 22nd, and told me Linda had transitioned the night before. The TV commercial aired a few weeks latter, just like spirit guidance had instructed.

For those who had posted a desire to know Linda’s chart – I feel guided to share you the information Linda provided to me herself (since this forum has a special love for Linda): April 9, 1925, at 6:15 AM EST, Parkersburg, WVA. Linda had an Aries rising at 22 degree’s 58. Her Sun, Venus and Uranus were all in her the 12th house. We thought it interesting that my Sun, Venus and Node were all in my 12th house. Thus, all my years of working in the government in Washington, D.C.; as well as, working behind the scenes in Hollywood for years. Linda’s birth name: Mary Alice Kemery.

I still advise and counsel the clients that Linda asked me take care of upon her time in need. Since I had the MASTER of astrology to ask questions, I asked her very specific questions that I thought might be possible to do a niche need for entertainment professionals. Linda confirmed my hypnosis, and so I started to run off 800 TV stars, almost 1,000 film stars, Directors, etc. After casting these many charts and researching the results I felt confident enough to embark on guiding the entertainment industry. My clients in the entertainment industry have benefited greatly, and I have enjoyed viewing their success upon the guidance that the Science of Astrology provides. It doesn’t brother me that I’m one of Hollywood’s Best Kept Secrets… because what I deem important is that souls are assisted to their highest good, and the highest good for the planet.

Linda told me to go more public when I experienced my Uranus transits’, and I remembered her words, and have gone more public this year of 2007 – or none of you would have seen my website, nor heard of my name.

The last time Linda gave me a bear hug, in her bear feet, we talked about her transits/cycles for the upcoming Christmas. I reminded her to be careful throughout the holidays. Linda knew she had difficult and challenging transits ahead, how could she not! However, all of us here in Los Angeles, believed her to have been in “Diabetic denial.” Linda’s eating patterns of sweets all day, endless coffee, and cigarettes she put on her purple plates, might have assisted her transition to the other side. However, anyone who knew Linda would know the incredible joy Linda’s soul must have felt to finally be with Sally!

I hope this posting allows you all to know in your hearts that I loved Linda… still love and cherish her memory… and that I feel so lucky to have known her, and called her my friend, and to have had her call me her friend! My life was very much enriched by this dynamo & sometimes fiery petite woman. I thank Gunnar and Philip for bringing her into my life!

In closing, I want to share with Jill if she is reading this. Anno Stearn, who was Ed Hall’s wife, wanted me to tell you hello if we ever got the opportunity to communicate to each other. Anno and I talked to each other on the phone, and finally meet at her home for a breakfast. What a morning! Anno filled me in on your mom and her life up to the point she was with your mother. I filled Anno in on the parts of your mother’s life after she stopped working with your mom. While we were sharing life stories, all of Anno’s kitchen utensils came crashing down! We both looked at each other and laughed… we both felt your mom was there, and made her grand entrance known.

Kathleen McGowan should you want to contact me… my phone number is 310-532-9622. Be happy to speak with you regarding Linda or other interesting topics.

If anyone else has positive things to say, please reply… I”ll try to pop in here in another week or two, and read the enlightened or positive sharing from others who admired and loved Linda!

That was the first post. Check the date. This is the second post:

BiBi DeAngelo
Knowflake
Posts: 601
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2007
posted October 30, 2007 07:41 PM
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Ever since “yourfriendinspirit” posted the thread “Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo” and then latter posted this:

Here at THIS very site!
The very last post on this page
A little thing inserted in the midst of it all:
" (Bibi, if you're out there, please contact me!) "
This response post is made by Kathleen McGowan herself. [ram queen]
-of all the people in all the world to have made reference...
Could this be the very same BiBi????
Kathleen McGowan dedication in her book:
“I owe a debt to the illustrious ram queen, Linda Goodman, the late astrologer and author who first whispered this secret into my ear long before I was ready to comprehend it. She altered the course of my life with that piece of information and by leaving me her Emerald Tablet translations (Bibi, if you’re out there, please contact me!)……
I’ve been asked how Kathleen McGowan, and I got to know each other. (And Yes, I was the Bibi mentioned above).

Are you all ready… this is a journey down memory lane…

About 2 or 3 years prior to Linda Goodman’s death, I meet and got to know Stacy Metliss, and English woman, who worked for one of the largest Talent Agency’s in Hollywood – William Morris. Stacy was at the Roosevelt Hotel Lounge one night with me, Philip di Franco & Linda Goodman, and after the show was over Stacy and I got to talking. Latter, Stacy called me, and asked me to lunch; because she had someone she wanted me to meet. That someone was Kathleen Harkey (Kathleen was using her maiden name at that time – her last name now -- McGowan).

Kathleen had been working with the Disney group at that time… and a Disney VP had approached me to be part of a new TV show they were trying to Produce. Disney wanted me to be the astrologer, James Van Prague to be the medium/psychic, and they were obtaining a well know psychic and numerologist to fill out the casting. The TV show was to take every day events and have the four of us predict outcomes... provide insight into the current event, etc. Unfortunately, the to-be Producers of this upcoming TV show got into such creative differences, legal papers started to fly around, that the show didn’t see the light of day. Kathleen and I knew many of the same high level executives at Disney, so we had a lot to talk about. We all met for a longggggg lunch, and then went back to William Morris, to Xerox some things I had to give to Kathleen – items Linda Goodman had given me to share.

Furthermore, Kathleen had been contacted to write what we call in the entertainment industry --- a treatment (which is a brief script that precedes the movie script). The script was for “Spiderline” (read my entry “BiBi DeAngelo shares Photo of Sally – Linda Goodman’s Daughter”). This treatment was going to be pitched (presented) to Director, Oliver Stone, through Stacey and the William Morris Agency.

Then, just like in the movie “The Matrix” when Morphisis went to see the Oracle
and it changed his life; Kathleen had her destiny changed when she met with Linda. Linda suggested Kathleen change her name, and told her to the Mary Magdalene story would change her life. Therefore, Kathleen went to the name of Kathleen McGowan and started working on the story of Mary Magdalene and as they say the rest is history!

I haven't really bothered to go through these posts thoroughly but I am sure if we do we will find that Bibi has contradicted what she states here in these posts numerous times since she posted these posts in the beginning.

I only say that because so far that has been the case where she switches stories as soon as she is questioned.

Hiya moonflower, juniperb!

Thanks for posting that further bit about Bibi posting at LL.
Very interesting, indeed...

After I finished chuckling to myself, the only thing I could think of was:

"Hollywood's Best Kept Secret," my ass!

("Hey, everyone, look at me! I'm so special! I've been guiding everyone in the entertainment field for years now! I'm Hollywood's best-kept secret! I'm so freakin' fantastic!")



<yawn>

anessene

This is an interesting Lindaland timeline of how & when BiBi joined and posted there.

The question that was asked by:

yourfriendinspirit
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From: California, USA
Registered: Oct 2006
posted October 11, 2007 06:41 AM
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Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo?


BiBi replys:

BiBi DeAngelo
Knowflake
Posts: 603
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2007
posted October 18, 2007 05:56 AM




Then on here she says:

BiBi
Journeyman


Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 87
Loc: Los Angeles





BiBi, you were already at lindaland months before you posted there ... why the fabrication

juniperb

My post that I posted at LL Feb.25th 2008

This post was deleted along with the whole thread, due to Silverstone & Bi Bi request, wonder why, may-BE to many truths here.


My Post over in Linda's life Thread Feb.25th 2008




WELL BiBi DeAngelo, me and a few other's did a little investigation work on you and it all turns up to be nothing more then someone being just trying make a living off of someones else's SHIRT TAIL and making " ACCLAIM ON ANOTHER'S FAME, " LINDA'S GOODMAN'S "!!!!

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Casting & Entertainment Consultant since 1991. I advise Producers, Directors, Casting Directors, Agents and/or Managers to Stars, Actors & Actresses to enhance casting of projects, and assist their careers by making better choices, know their timing in life for $$, success, awards & fame. What projects to attach them self to and what projects to stay away from. Observing my clients win their Oscars, Emmy, Golden Globe, Grammy, and SAG Awards have been some of my most cherished moments in my career! Yes, I appeared in my late girlfriend & colleague Linda Goodman's national TV commercial (author of "Love Signs" & "Sun Signs". Carrying on Linda's work since 1991 by using astrology to enhance casting projects & assisting all professionals in the Entertainment Industry has been my privilege!


Question by Solane Star:

BiBi De Angelo who are some of these Clients you claim to have win awards and fame, because of your Casting Entertainment Consultant expertise???? The Clients that you say, you Observed Win these Oscars, Emmy, Golden Globe, Grammy, and SAG Awards, which ones did you say you helped?????

Please do Provide Us with a List here please. Clarify a few things for Us. Feel Free!!!


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BiBi begins all of her sites on the internet, by exploiting Linda Goodman's name to sell herself and her services. All of them have that saying " Yes, I appeared in my girlfriend Linda Goodman's National TV commercial- Click on "About." But when you click on about nothing is there. No commercial. No proof of this statement. Also the site here is just a movie fan site. Anyone, for free, can post a bio of themselves. This dislclaimer is at the bottom of the site page: "IMDb is not responsible for the accuracy or completeness of the contents of this page, which have been supplied by a third party and have not been screened or verified."
Now true movie professionals who actually are in the business use this site but it can only be accessed by members of the guilde and you have to pay to be a member there. So those sites are not what she uses but the free area that are really only movie fan areas is what she uses instead. I could go put in a phoney bio of myself there and so could anyone.


BiBiDeAngelo.com

Yes, I appeared in my girlfriend Linda Goodman’s National TV commercial– Click on “About”
http://bibideangelo.com/?page_id=13

http://former.imdb.com/name/nm2566539/resume

Disclaimer for validity of information on her resume at bottom of page

IMDb is not responsible for the accuracy or completeness of the contents of this page, which have been supplied by a third party and have not been screened or verified.


She even makes these bios for her daughter
http://italy.imdb.com/name/nm2614507/bio


check out her link at the bottom on this page
http://bibideangelo.com/


BiBi De Angelo, You also said that Mirandee MISQUOTED YOU ON YOUR PRICE AT CE, MAYBE YOUR THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO YOUR OWN WEBSITE AND GET YOUR OWN FACTS STRAIGHT!!! LOL!!!!

I see that Mirandee was right about saying that you do charge $150.00 dollars for a 3hr session, weither it was 1hr or three you still do charge 150.00 for a session, right???? She wasn't referring to your $80.00 dollar Phone Consultations.

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $150.00
during week

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $200.00
on the weekend

QUOTE BIBI:
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OH BY THE WAY MOONFLOWER… YOU QUOTED I CHARGE $150 FOR AN HOUR SESSION… DEAR ONE.. YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO MY WEBSITE AND SEE THAT I CHARGE $150 FOR A 3 HOUR… I’LL REPEAT THAT.. 3 HOUR HYPNOTHERAPY SESSION…I ACTUALLY ONLY CHARGE $80 AN HOUR… I’M NOT ADVERTISING HERE… I’M CLEARING UP WHAT YOU MISQUOTED TO THE MEMBERS AT CE AND ISN’T IT INTERESTING THAT YOU FELT COMPELLED TO POST SOMETHING ABOUT MY PRICES AT THAT…..

AS FOR YOUR OUT LANDISH STATEMENTS THAT YOU DON’T THINK I KNEW LINDA.. AND YOUR DOUBTING THOMAS STATEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD ONLY BELIEVE IT IF I SHOWED A PHOTO OF LINDA AND I TOGETHER… THAT’S AN INCREDIBLE SET OF STATEMENTS.

I AND EVERYONE IN THE INNER CYCLE AND THAT DOESN’T INCLUDE MS. EVELYN… THAT’ INCLUDES LINDA’S SON MICHAEL… LINDA’S MANAGER… PHILIP DE FRANCO AND ETC. ALL KNOW ME… MY FACE WAS IN THE NATIONAL TV COMMERCIAL… SO I DON’T HAVE TO BRING MY PRIVATE PHOTO’S OF LINDA AND MYSELF TO THIS SITE OR TO CE FOR ANY DOUBTING THOMAS
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You can all Check out her payments on this page. Who be telling the truth here really, Mirandee or BiBi?
http://bibideangelo.com/?page_id=21


Payment
May 2nd, 2007 by BiBi DeAngelo

Cost of consultations are broken down for the length of your scheduled intuitive astrological session. [NOTE: Hypnotherapy Sessions are 2-3 hours in length and cost $150 during the week, or $200 for weekend sessions.]

Please provide the following information in the reply box below:

1. Month-day-year of birth,

2. Time of birth (located on birth certificate),

3. Place and location of birth - if outside the USA please provide country - also if you were born in a small town, please provide the next largest city within a 100 mile radius.

4. More information click on “Contact” link — just above this Payment link.

Should you desire to purchase a Gift Certificate:

1. Provide the complete spelling of your name — the gift certificate will reflect that you have purchased a session (then select the time length of session with or without a tape — see purchase buttons below).

2. Provide the complete name and address of the recipient; Or, should you desire to receive the gift certificate to hand deliver or include in a gift or gift basket please provide your complete mailing address.

3. A beautiful personalized gift certificate for a birthday, anniversary, graduation, promotion, birth of a child, wedding gift, or a special holiday (or any occassion of your choice) will be mailed on your behalf to the recipient of your choice.

You may choose to pay using Pay Pal. Don’t have a Pay Pal account? Use your credit card. To use your credit card just click on the icon “add to cart” a page will appear that has the processing of credit cards on the lower half of the page. The following credit cards can be processed: VISA, Mastercard, AMEX, Discover.

If you choose the Pay Pal page you’ll see the name of BiBi Rude appearing at the top, no worries, your payment will go into an account that is managed for BiBi DeAngelo!

For all my clients living in foreign countries, the use of Pay Pal or credit cards is converted into dollars automatically!

PLEASE MAKE AN APPOINTMENT PRIOR TO PAYMENT. Thank you!

45 Minute Phone Consultation: $60.00

45 Minute Phone Consultation: $66.00
with tape of session

60 Minute Phone Consultation: $80.00

60 Minute Phone Consultation: $86.00
with tape of session

90 Minute Phone Consultation: $110.00

90 Minute Phone Consultation: $116.00
with tape of session

Overtime Consultation Fee/Weekend Extra Fee: $20.00

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $150.00
during week

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $200.00
on the weekend

BiBi De Angelo you really do look like a CON-ARTIST to me!!!!

ACCLAIM TO SOMEONE ELSE'S FAME!!!

I see that you even " USED LINDA GOODMAN'S BOOK COVERS " on your website to PROMOTE YOUR OWN CLAIM and FAME!!! Looks as though these pics of LINDA'S BOOKS are the only PROOF that you have provided for US, besides LINDA'BIRTH TIME, which CE already had PROVIDED in their Achives, all the same material's, just minus the Birth Time, like I said. Actually I found CE to have provided alot more information and alot more pics then your One Claim on Linda's Daughter Photo. Which alot of other's have already seen before, nothing New BiBi.

So on this note BiBi, I really don't think you provided anyone with anything different, except an OPENING and OUTLET FOR YOUR OWN GAIN AND ACCLAIM to SOMEONE ELSE'S FAME!!!

STARTING TO SMELL A LITTLE FISHY AROUND HERE, I'D SAY!!!!

Just My Opinion from want I've seen and heard!!!!






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there were a few posts made on that same day, December Twelfth. When I put the time to distinguish it from the other posts,and typed it in,instead of cut/paste, I couldnt think if it was A.M or P.M. and joked about it probably because the thing is, I had the same thoht as Moonflower and figured if Bibi would have to drag out her box of information to go searching again just to clarify that bit, ye gads perhaps I'd found it a given Time saver, the question could be addressed and answered with a bit more detail and elaboration of the facts of the matter...
ok I get it about the states, U.S a lot bigger than OZ. anyway I did find that odd enough to stick my two cents worth in over it...

I knew that was your reason, Daisy

I have some more things to share here which pose new questions to me.

Whenever I follow up on sites and info that Bibi has posted on her bio at different sites I ALWAYS reach a dead end.

The odd thing about Bibi's sites is that they are all recent ones. They are promotional sites that were established in 2007 & 2008. If Bibi was a production consultant in Hollywood since the 1990's why did she wait so long to promote herself and her work on the internet? I haven't been able to find any earlier promotion sites with bios or creditials than these two years. You would think that she would have sites established much older than these if she was promoting her astrology consultations to those in the Hollywood film industry. The fact that the info sites on Bibi De Angelo are all free sites and all established so recently makes it appear to me that someone was putting those sites up on the net just to establish an identity. Coincidentially, those sites were created in March, 2007, just two months before Bibi became a member of LL and CE. The reason that I think this regarding the creation of an identity is because every time you follow up in searches regarding the information on her sites you come to a dead end. For instance, I could find no A Star Production outside of Bibi's own site with that title. If that is her production company, why is it not listed on the internet? Most production companies are listed because that is how they drum up business. So I guess Bibi is saying she is the CEO of her own site page. Which I guess makes me CEO of my My Space page. LOL

Another dead end. I could not find any evidence to support the commercial she mentions she was in about Linda Goodman. And I cannot find any connection with Larry King and that commercial or even an interview he might have done with Linda Goodman. Although it would be nice if there were an interview. Larry King was working at CNN since 1985 interviewing famous people on his show. Being in a commerical about Linda Goodman in 1995 is not something Larry King would have to do to make money. And there is no connection to him and Linda Goodman that I have as of yet that would indicate he did the commercial because he knew Linda personally. When I Googled in Larry King and his connection with Linda Goodman, guess what came up? You Got it! Bibi De Angelo's bios and her posts at both CE and LL saying he was in this commericial. That is the only connection I found with Linda Goodman and Larry King.

Another odd thing about Bibi's sites, when you click on the hyper link regarding her commercial with Larry King and Jeff Spears, and there are two of those, each time she mentions the commericial on her site page, you cannot find Bibi De Angelo on the list of those who appeared in commercials. Made me wonder why she put those commericial hyperlinks on her page when she is not listed as being in a commericial about Linda Goodman. The link takes you to an alphbetical list and above you see where the names beginning with De ( as De Niro ) start and where they end. No Bibi on the list, no commerical about Linda Goodman listed either.

Although most of her other works listed on the Zoom info page are listed as "behind the scenes" the ones she does cite I have not been able to come up with anything to support their authenticity. I am still searching.

The info regarding this post is to follow:

Bibi's page at Zoom info ( Again No Picture )

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=-474037



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Chief Executive Officer
A Stars Production
Los Angeles, CA
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Biography
BiBi DeAngelo was born on June 25th, and was raised in the Washington, D.C. area. BiBi died (and came back to life) at age 5 in an accident; being impaled by an object that left a 5 inch scar on her chest. Throughout elementary school BiBi loved ...
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to perform in school plays (often memorizing everyone’s lines). From third grade to graduating High School she was a “sports jock”, lettering in many sports – especially Track & Field. BiBi moved to Europe with her first husband, and she gave birth to her only child, daughter Rachel, in Istanbul, Turkey, in 1987.

Upon returning to America, December 1990, she settled in the Los Angeles area in California. Shortly after moving to Los Angeles, a moment of “fate & destiny” occurred when her friend Gunnar Keel (son of legendary singer and actor Howard Keel) introduced her to internationally known Astrologer, Linda Goodman’s longtime business associate Philip di Franco. Linda was best known for her books “Sun Signs” & “Love Signs”. It was Philip di Franco who introduced BiBi to Linda Goodman. In 1995, on Fathers Day, BiBi appeared in her girlfriend, Linda Goodman's national TV commercial - with Larry King and Jeff Stearn. Linda Goodman had already started to refer her clients to BiBi, because Linda was suffering from complications of diabetes, which ultimately took her life after the doctors amputated her leg to her knee. When BiBi was getting her make-up applied to appear in Linda's TV commercial, she had a premonition of Linda’s death. In fact, BiBi informed the Producers that they should get all testimonials in a commemorative format, because her intuition had told her that the commercial would be "commemorative" by the time it aired on TV. Linda Goodman did, in fact, pass away only a few weeks prior to the airing of this national commercial, to the sadness of all who knew her.

Since Linda Goodman’s death on October 21, 1995, BiBi has felt it an honor to carry on Linda's legacy, by assisting clients both in and outside the entertainment industry. BiBi has been assisting and guiding entertainment Professionals from every faucet of the entertainment business. She has observed her clients win their Oscar, Emmy, Golden Globe, Grammy, and SAG Awards -- which she has said were some of her most cherished moments in her career – during a Cable TV interview in Los Angeles.

September 2006 BiB’s daughter Rachel started to attend UCI; at which time BiBi started writing both a book and screenplay, under a development deal with her Production Company, A Stars Production. In the Spring of 2007, BiBi was accepted into the entertainment organization “Women In Film.” BiBi also joined several spiritual cinema groups within the Los Angeles & Beverly Hills area; because BiBi’s deepest interest is to bring more spiritually based films & TV to the planet.

Notice here below that even Zoom info cannot find any web references for Bibi De Angelo. Except probably those she created herself which is all I can find as well. That is not the web references that Zoom Info looks for.

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Outside or her own Bio page titled A Stars Production, there is no A Stars Production Company listed on the internet. There are many production companies that have Star in their title but no, A Stars Production.
Employment History

Chief Executive Officer
A Stars Production

Los Angeles, CA
USA



Board Membership and Affiliations

Member
Institute of Spiritual Cinema - LA

Los Angeles, CA
USA


Member
Women In Film

Los Angeles, CA
USA


Chamber for Enlightened Entertainment
LACEE
Headquarters Address:

Website: http://www.lacee.org




Education
Mastering of Astrology, Astrology
Astrology

The only A Stars Production that I found on a Google search is this one, Bibi's own page:
http://bibideangelo.com/


Another dead end: The cable tv show she says she appeared on in 1996 in Los Angeles, " Living Your Dreams" is not on the list of the LA cable shows guide in 1996. Should have been since there were far fewer cable shows in LA in 1996 than there are now.

These are the listing for cable TV shows in LA in 2006: Note that one says 2007 so I image that was 2006/2007 show airings.

2006: The Year in News 2006
2006 ALMA Awards 2006
2006 MTV Movie Awards 2006
2006 MTV Europe Music Awards 2006
Crufts Dog 2006 2006
Pennsylvania Issues 2006 2006
Bicycle Motocross*: *2006: Mat Hoffman CFB 2008
Mardi Gras 2006: Let the Good Times Roll 2006
Fashion Cares 2006: A 20th Anniversary Retrospective 2006
Oscar Countdown 2006 2006
Oscar Countdown 2006 2006
Genesis Awards 2006 2006
Teen Choice 2006 2006
Comic Relief 2006 2006
Dancestar USA 2006 2006
Newport Jazz Festival 2006 2006
Miss Teen USA 2006 2006 Available
NFL Opening Kickoff 2006 2006
CMA Red Carpet 2006 2006
Sexiest Videos of 2006 2006
White House Christmas 2006 2006
Eukanuba Tournament of Champions 2006 2006
MTV Video Music Awards 2006 2006
Los Premios MTV Latinoamérica 2006 2006
College Basketball Skills Competition*: *2006: slam-dunk and 3-point contests 2007
Countdown to the Red Carpet: 2006 Academy Awards 2006
Live from the Red Carpet: 2006 Academy Awards 2006
Ties That Bind: Town Hall 2006 2007
Live from the Red Carpet: The 2006 Grammy Awards 2006
Countdown to the Red Carpet: The 2006 SAG Awards 2006
Joan & Melissa: Live at the Emmy Awards 2006 2006 Available


Bibi is on the list as a member of Chamber for Enlightened Entertainment as she states on her resume, however she just recently became a member of that organization as you can see here: http://la.chamberofee.com/


Welcome New Members

Vanda Mikoloski

Gerry Katzman

Ellany T. Avelin

Erik Passoja

BiBi DeAngelo

Also I noted that at this time The Chamber for Enlightened Entertainment is offfering Free membership:



LACEE is accepting members FREE of charge for a period of time.



Like her bios and websites themselves all things that you check on those resumes and bios regarding her memberships are all within 2007 and 2008. This causes me to think as I stated, it is due to someone who is creating an identity for themselves. Her websites were established in March, 2007, 3 months before she joined Lindaland and came to CE. It is also an identity creation that was not very well done if people actually do follow up on and check out the things she states in her bio and resume. Because you always come to a dead end. Even the hyper links that lead to the commericals is a dead end because Bibi De Angelo and the commericial about Linda Goodman are not listed on that link. At Zoom info it clearly states that they found no web references for Bibi De Angelo's A Stars Production and CEO status.

I am still checking the other memberships she claims to have and still following some leads. Will post what I find or in this case probably what I find to be another dead end or recent membership or site.

PART ONE OF RESPONSE

I take moments like this as opportunities to stay in my higher self, and not be triggered by an endless exchange of negativity.

First, I would like to address Magical Stone who brought my postings to this CE site from the Linda-Goodman.com site. Magical Stone, please don’t have second thoughts about posting all the information on this site. I know in your heart you were doing it in the spirit of sharing information on Linda’s life. If you look at the number of souls that have clicked on the thread you started here, over 1,000 souls have enjoyed your sharing of this information.

Second to all the souls that clicked on Magical Stone’s thread, please don’t let the few intense postings on this thread misguide you. The information that Magical Stone brought here to share is real, and just because a hand full of souls choose to post negativity on the thread he started, shouldn’t tarnish the sharing of information that Magical Stone was excited to share.

Having said all this, let’s start overcoming all the falsehood being shared within this thread by stating the truth.

Moonflower----
You posted


So here is some concrete proof. All the readers can visit the “You Tube” interview with Philip di Franco, which was just posted today on “You Tube.” Philip was shocked when I read some of the postings, and offered to be interviewed regarding: (1) his long time working relationship and friendship with Linda Goodman, (2) his introducing me to Linda Goodman and our relationship, (3) his being present at the filming of the national infomercial for Linda’s Relationship Program, (4) his not obtaining a copy of the infomercial from Crystal as she had promised both Philip and myself, (5) his statement confirming it was him that introduced Crystal to Linda Goodman, even though Crystal wasn’t kind enough to put that information in print, and (6) his knowledge on how impossible it is to list the names of entertainment celebrities that are open minded enough to allow the Science of Astrology to assist in their private lives and professional guidance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO166CW4vrw


Should this url not work for you… just go to “You Tube” type in the name Philip di Franco, in the search bar, and the interview should appear for you easily. We have been working on editing this interview for 3 weeks and just got it completed. Hope you enjoy having a brief visit with Philip, who was so very instrumental in getting several of Linda’s books printed, starting with “Love Signs”. Philip also spear headed the computer software program that superseded the last book on Relationships. Philip was with Linda up until the timing of her passing. He, as well as I, is hoping that this provides enough documentation for all those skeptical minds. Oh by the way, why so many of you are so skeptical about my not posting my photo prior to this… my photo does appear at the end of this “You Tube” interview. I have kept my photo off of sites, because I enjoy my privacy! However, I’ve received multiply phone calls urging me to share it… so I am sharing. Why that has been an issue for so many of you, I really can’t understand. Interestingly enough, I can’t find a photo of Maria up on her website? Since you all make such an issue of my photo not being up, it’s a little odd not to find Maria’s. Come on Maria share you photo too.

In closing this first part, I would also remind you Moonflower to visit the LL site where Michael Goodman has been posting answers to questions. I know you know about this Moonflower because you personally posted a question on this thread on March 4th.. Thread name: MICHAEL GOODMAN HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. Michael was kind enough to confirm that I was in the infomercial:



END OF PART ONE – PLEASE PROCEED TO NEXT POSTINGS FOR PART TWO

PART TWO OF RESPONSE …..

Moonflower… you first post the following….


So, Moonflower, I’m thinking that your next post below… isn’t defined as attack on another member and also isn’t defined as verbal abuse because it isn’t being enforced at CE?



Moonflower, you are mistaken. I can not take credit for your being stripped of your moderator ship at the LL site. You and you alone must take credit for that, and even responsibility for your own choices and actions that led up to your release or what ever other label is to be placed on this event. Oh by the way… when you all post in the shout box, your totally correct, it does roll away and has no history, however, you can copy postings as they are being posted and keep them. You may want to test that.

Please forgive me readers and members at CE, however, I must bring over postings from the LL site from Randall himself, which should bring clarity as to why Moonflower (who was known as Mirandee at LL) is no longer a moderator at LL.. This is the only way I can bring clarity. Perhaps you didn’t see these postings Moonflower, the way you posted makes me wonder? (Also, for the record Moonflower – you did not speak to me in the shout box – you were posting things to others that night about me!) I know its easier to blame someone else for things, rather than take responsibly for your own actions, however, the following postings from Randall should bring great clarity to all your accusations.



Followed by…………


Then the following other post was posted from another member who shares…



All this had to do with Daf being banned in LL, then coming back in and posting again on old postings, and Thor’s responses to Daf and LTT… from what I heard…...

Randall is more than open to discussing this issue with you Moonflower/Mirandee – his email address is: Webmaster@Linda-Goodman.com. I’ve already discussed this issue with Randall at length and sent him a copy of the quote you posted here on CE. Randall was totally ok with my sharing his posts to bring clarity to the issue.

END OF PART TWO OF THIS RESPONSE… PLEASE PROCEED TO PART THREE…. NEXT POSTING…

PART THREE OF POSTINGS
Clarity page….
1. Why I was behind the scenes in Hollywood until only a couple of years ago. This is a pretty simple answer. I had a beautiful daughter to bring up, and I choose to work from my home office. Traveling to various projects when needed. Thus, how my nickname became “Hollywood’s Best Kept Secret”. My daughter recently went off to the University, and I am more visible now. No big mystery…..

2. As for Larry King being in the Infomercial and not being up on any Google search, you’d have to contact his office for that. Ask them to verify that Crystal Bush in 1995 (June) had a photo of Larry put into Linda Goodman’s Infomercial. Under Larry’s photo there appeared a caption something along the lines of Linda Goodman being the best Astrologer! Larry wanted to be vocal in the infomercial; however, his contract with the TV station only permitted him to appear in photo form with a caption. As we discussed above, Crystal Bush had promised to provide both Philip di Franco and I a copy of the infomercial; however, neither one of us ever received a copy. (This is documented in the new “You Tube” Interview). The Infomercial was the Intellectual property rite of Crystal, and unfortunately in 1995 Crystal never put it up on the Internet. I am not an expert on when the capability of posting commercials became possible; however, Crystal never posted anything to either Philips knowledge or mine. If you can use all your investigative abilities in finding Crystal Bush that would be nice Moonflower, then Linda’s children may see some of the $$ they should have seen. I know one of her sons who would be eternally grateful if you could locate Ms. Bush!

3. My production company is new.. If you had someone who paid the $100 a year membership to the International Movie Data Base (Imdbpro.com) site, you’d see it’s registered. You can’t investigate this on the amateur site which is only Imdb.com – you must pay the yearly membership fee to the Pro site to obtain this information. There if nothing mysterious about a new production company…

4. Moonflower you have to understand something. When you post anything up on any internet site.. like LL, or CE, everything you post goes up into the main computer files at Google. Go test it..… Google Mirandee… your posting go everywhere.—your postings at LL… your postings at psyche.forumarena.. if you post something that has a certain word in the posting… Google will automatically put that word up and into some link… You call these Google entries websites.. say you can’t find stuff… I have zero control over what Google does with information. I too have clicked on those wondering what they were… so I understand your confusion.. I don’t get it either. It just IS! Why my name appears with Bibicall.com – I don’t know why – maybe because their sites begin with Bibi??? Why does my name show up at TVFilmTalent.com – again, I don’t know why – it just does. Google does these things automatically, I wish they didn’t, but they do. There are things in life that can be out of our control.

5. My joining LL months before first posting. When my webmaster was creating my website she went looking around for other sites with Linda’s name attached. I had her register me on LL first, then CE latter. You are 100% correct the registering time period came first… Next thing I know my webmaster is saying someone from the LL site put up a listing on me.. Anyone know who BiBi is? I then ventured into the LL responding by posting. I don’t know what the big mystery is. It seems you hang on certain words… Hope that brings some clarity to you. Oh, by the way Moonflower, when I first started posting on LL this was the very first site I had posted in this manner. I wasn’t knowledgeable about any protocol in posting, very much on a learning curve. I posted the information regarding Linda, and then was excited to share about a movie we were just finalizing in filming, that had so many professionals doing the things that Linda had written about in Star Signs. The most exciting thing I have experienced on LL & CE is the sharing of information. I therefore shared info on some of the most spiritual and metaphysical masters of our time, who had been interviewed to appear latter in our documentary. I had members privately email me asking to share more contact information... and I had phone calls asking to share more contact information I have since deleted the contact information on the upcoming documentary, and moved it to only the thread about “who is BiBi” and one other thread on another part of the site. Thus, leaving the information on Linda and Sally to stand alone.

6. Linda and clients… Linda assisted so many people in life providing readings/sessions, what ever you want to label it, as I’m sure you all know. When I referred to Linda’s clients.. I referred in that word as her providing a service to them… guidance, information, a reading/session. People came… Linda provided a service.. what do you call them if not client? Again, we are hanging on words. Everyone knows Linda didn’t charge, because it was her personal free will choice not to do so. I guess you can’t just share lightly in these sites you must be careful on each and every word you type.

7. First you all demand concrete information. When I provide information you come back with I defend myself to extremes… I prefer the word [bring clarity] and [educate] like I am doing today… there just seems no positive balance for all of you.

8. Moonflower your statement about: “If I knew Linda Goodman so why would I not know she once lived in Johnstown PA off the top of my head.” You know Moonflower, if you can remember every location a friend of yours lived during their entire life off the top of your head… good for you! I’ve lived on 3 continents and I have to refer back to address books, and computer lists for my complete addresses. I spent my time doing projects with Linda. I didn’t memorize…. Oh you lived here this year… and you lived there next year. You taught me something though… If I can’t drop everything I’m doing, at the minute a question is asked, then I shouldn’t answer it until I have the time to search for all the information.

END OF PART THREE OF POSTING

PART FOUR OF POSTING

S. Star… you are mistaken when you mention that Magical Stone/Silvertone (on LL) and I asked Randall to take down your postings on his site. Guess that would be nice for you if we did… since you have posted many listings not in a positive nature towards both of us. Magical Stone did ask Maria to consider taking down this thread, because when Moonflower started her intense postings regarding me, he thought that kind of posting wasn’t allowed in CE. (Just like Moonflowers own posting stated!). So perhaps Maria shared with you Magical Stones request? You must have then jumped to the conclusion that he also asked Randall to delete your posting. He did not. I already checked with him. It would assist you in your agenda, that your posting came down, because you wrote the following quote below:



Truth be known… That entire thread came down because Randall choose to take it down because too much negativity had been written… you were only one part of that negativity… If Randall doesn’t want threads on his site that get into name calling, bad mouthing, verbal attacks, people labeling people as a Con, then that’s his prerogative. It is after all his site! You can email him… he is ready to put clarity to the situation.



Another reason Randall might have taken down your posting mentioned here (and the others postings included in that thread) is for legal reasons. When someone posts “Con”, “Fraud”, “Liar” that person is gambling with legal consequence’s; as well as, the posting put’s the site that carries the posting, in risk for lawsuits regarding slanderous statements.

Maria, before I end my long posting, I must address one of your posts….the following quote (found on the Linda Goodman Section – Thread entitled “Linda’s Family. You wrote::



Since, I’ve had to spend hours of my life providing concrete answers. Now Maria, it would be nice for you to provide some concrete answers.

When you state above:




Who were your sources? Many, many people? Did you really have many, many people… or just a couple people who gossiped many many stories?

For the record, my beloved friend was not extremely difficult to get along with. As most people they have their good and bad days, so did Linda. However, the majority of her time Linda was a brilliant and kind woman, who gave of her self in so many ways, to so many people.

When you state above:



Question: I find it interesting that you can label a person Linda’s friend that would share an intimate moment of family news as gossip. That’s a huge breach of confidence… and yet you share this… and you label the messenger as a friend. Amazing!

When you stated the following in a post to me (in this very thread):



Since you mention a person who would place the calls to the grown up child for Linda.. 2 quotes above, and then mention Evelyn who answered and placed Linda’s phone calls for Linda (in the quote just above). Was it Evelyn who shared these comments with you? Since Evelyn is the only name you furnish knowing that she assisted in phone calls.. I think you ought to bring clarity to the situation Maria… Who was your source? If you do not answer this question, your silence will say VOLUMES!

Too bad I can’t hire Moonflower to investigate this question. Because I truly feel a lot of why Moonflower has come on so strong is out of incredible love for Linda, if that is true, then she and I share a very deep common love for Linda..

I can’t fathom why you would call our beloved Linda… (1) extremely difficult, (2) a holy terror, (3) she yelled mean, snotty things a lot, (4) would freak people out and embarrass them, and end with (5) she could be a real pain. What were your motivations and intentions on sharing all that? I believe your readers would find your answer’s interesting.

My mention of Evelyn earlier was what Linda said herself. Linda said Evelyn ran errands for her, perhaps Evelyn was more than that, even much more than that, I don’t know. However, Linda didn’t call Evelyn her friend -- the one time Evelyn’s name came up -- so I can only share what Linda said herself. And, if Evelyn was the person who shared you all the intimate details you choose to share above, that would be interesting.

I thank you ladies for the gift you have given to me by posting these posts. That gift being the clarity that I don’t need to be at this site. I need to be making the free will choice of using my time more effectively like: not participating in an endless stream of negativity. I fundamentally feel that your thought patterns are manifesting your tomorrow, and I certainly don’t have to spend my time reading negativity... responding to negatively… only to be having that energy effecting my future manifestation. Thank you for that gift of clarity.

Therefore, this will be my last visit to this site, my last posting in this site (reason it was so long.)

Goodbye…..

Bibi,

When you go on internet forums making extraordinary and exaggerated claims about yourself and do a lot of name dropping you need to post evidence in answer to people's questions. You don't do that. Instead you go to even more extraordinary and exaggerated lengths to defend yourself against what you perceive to be personal attacks. When really, if what you say is true all you have to do is support it with evidence when asked. That would be the gracious thing to do.

I saw your contrived video at You Tube before you posted it here. I am surprised. I looked at LL figuring you would have posted it there first. There are 7 or 8 cuts in that video. Sort of like they used to do in editing film by splicing it. Places where it stopped and picked back up again. Looks like a lot of editing took place on that video. Also the A Stars Production. Nice touch. Too bad it only exists on your website.

I noticed that supposed Di Franco ( am investigating to find out if that really was him ) looked at the camera at times but when you spoke in the background he looked in another direction. If you weren't working the camera, why were you not sitting on camera on the couch with him in your interview instead of being off camera? Isn't that the way that normal interviews are conducted.

If that was Philip Di Franco and you interviewed him, why is your interview solely about Bibi De Angelo and his backing up the things you have stated on the forums of LL and CE? If you love Linda Goodman so much why was that interview not about her since he knew her personally and therefore must have many stories about Linda and much to tell people about her? It could have been a wonderful and informative interview about Linda Goodman that you could share here at CE and at LL. Instead it is all about Bibi De Angelo and Philip De Franco supporting your stories here at CE and LL. A defense of Bibi video as it were.

It looks contrived to me. Regarding your picture at the end of the video. Well, I leave this for others to make a comparison and my conclusion of who that was in the picture and who you are.





Same jawline, same shape of eyebrows, same eyes, same nose, just at different angles. Different color of hair, and a younger Kathleen McGowan. But the resemblance in the pictures is uncanny. People don't have the same jawlines, the same shape of nose ( check where the nostrils meet the cheek and the shape),and the very same shape eyebrows without being the same person. Hello, Kathleen. Nice you came out of the closet.

Do come back though now and then and check and see where the rest of the "investigations" lead.

Bibi,



You see, Bibi, once again you are not being honest. This being the case, then why did Silverstone email Maria requesting that this thread be deleted and stating to her that you had called him and was very upset over this thread and wanted it deleted? Maria can verify that.

Regarding your wondering if it is my love for Linda Goodman that prompts me to question you and seek validation for the extraordinary claims you make about yourself and your identity, I can clarify that for you.

Although being as knowledgable about astrology as you say you are having been "mentored" by Linda Goodman herself, you could just chalk it to the tenacity of a Taurean. LOL But then again, if you were mentored by Linda Goodman why did you ask a group of amateurs on the Astrology board at LL questions about the planet Vulcan? Linda would have mentored you with much knowledge of that planet because it was a big deal to her even if she did mention it briefly in her book. In fact I always wondered why you didn't post much at all on the astrology board of LL being a consultant to stars you would have much info to pass on at LL to people. You seemed more focused on promoting Bibi and who and what she knows than sharing what you do know with others at the astrology board.

I respect and have compassion for Linda Goodman. The compassion is newly acquired having recently discovered all the manipulators and users she was surrounded by in her lifetime and how the manipulators even manipulated each other and scurred around like a pack of hungry rats trying to obtain what was left of her estate with total disregard for her children. Who in the name of "friendship" stand on her dead body in order to make themselves appear taller. I do respect the legacy she gave to the world. She was far from being a perfect human being but then again, we all are.

I could, in order to make myself look better at CE and LL, use Linda Goodman too and say, yes it is out of love for her that I seek the truth. But that would be a lie. The love that motivates me is my love of truth and honor. That might seem foreign to some people but that is why I question you and take the time to follow up on your claims. The love of truth. And in doing so from the beginning it was with the knowledge that the truth might even show that you are being on the up and up and speaking the truth that would prove me wrong. Either way, it didn't matter to me. Whether I am right or wrong doesn't matter and whether you are being honest or not doesn't matter. The truth is what matters.

It's truth I seek and the truth will come out. It always does in the end. That love of truth and honor is due to my love of God. Not Linda Goodman.

You have been caught in many untruths. What you said to Star is just another one in what is becoming a long list, Bibi. Including your true identity. You also stated that Michael Goodman knew you but on his Questions thread at LL when asked if he knew you to be a friend of his moms he stated that he never heard of you until you called him and showed up at LL and CE. Michael seems to be a man who values honesty and the truth as well. He answered the questions posed to him on that thread very honestly and directly. I admire that in him for obvious reasons.

Your video is another example of the extraordinary lengths you will go to defend yourself when if you were being honest and truthful and was who you claim to be and what you claim to be you would just willingly accept that some people on internet forums might not believe you and question you.

You seem to think that my seeking the truth to what are to me questionable actions and claims is an attempt to attack your character. It isn't. What it really is an attempt to find out what your character truly is. Not to tear it down because if that happens it will be of your own doing when the real truth is discovered. Not of my doing. We are all responsible for our acts and words and we all have to pay the consequences of those actions and words. You are no exception to that law of the universe. Neither am I. This is not about you or I, Bibi. It's about truth and honesty.

Your video only posed more questions in my mind. It only gave me more leads to follow up on. What I think and say seem to be very important to you, Bibi that you would go to the lengths to read my words to Philip di Franco and get him to defend you in that video. Frankly I would not put an elderly, unwell friend through all of that due to what some woman on an internet forum says or thinks about me. For you to do that tells me that you deem me some kind of threat to your identity. Why? I am just an normal, average person. A wife, mother and grand mother. I do not hobknob with stars and I never wrote a book or knew Linda Goodman. I do average things. So why does my questioning you on internet forums bother you so much that you would go to these lengths? Ego? Maybe that is what motivates you. But I am sensing it goes beyond that. I am sensing fear here and paranoia. And none of what you do is anything a descendent of Jesus and St. Mary Magdalene would do.

Who's next in a video defending you? The Fisher brothers in a Marin Studios of Las Vegas production? There may be copyright infringements, impostering and using the names of famous people to promote yourself, all of which is fraud and holds a prison sentence according to U.S. laws, that your vast number of worldwide lawyers will have to deal with. I am the least of your worries on the internet, Bibi.

Hi Moonflower, the site where you got Kathleen`s photos at have since, within 24 hours, removed them. everything else remains tho!!

As a heavier, more mature Kathleen, the resemblence is (especially the nose)uncanny.



juniperb

BiBi, since you brought Michael into this thread , I would add a question I ask him and He answered.



Michael says,



He made it very clear he never heard of you until you came on LL.

juniperb

Good Lord!

Kathleen/Bibi, whoever the heck you are, (and however the hell you wanna "prove it,") Moonflower said it best:

"And none of what you do is anything a descendent of Jesus and St. Mary Magdalene would do."

When it comes down to it: defend your posts, give excuses, put your words in bold print and back it up with endless explanations too wordy to be of any value, but the truth remains:

Anyone who makes claims such as you have, (and expects an ego boost as a result) IS NOT a representative or descendent of the beloved Mary Magdalene or Jesus.

I find that atrocious. As someone who has spent the better part of her life researching the lives of these two souls, I find those claims to be in the simple-minded category of an immature egomaniac who seeks validation and popularity.

(Ranks right up there with the many many many women I've heard claim, "I was Cleopatra!" or, "I was Joan of Arc!")

Yah. Right.

Well, all I have to say is that the video presented here and at LL this morning is not very well done at all for someone who lays claims to be an Executive Producer and CEO of A Stars Production. Still have not found evidence to support that production exists other than at Bibi's own site in the banner.

The video is choppy where the editing was evident and the interviewer was not on camera with di Franco. It was obvious that someone else was working the camera as he looked in the direction of the camera at times when he spoke and when Kathleen spoke to him he looked in her direction.

The handwriting in the notes in the video was definitely Linda Goodman's handwriting. Kathleen McGowan did know Linda Goodman and would have some of her things. But the question is, was the name "Bibi" in those notes in the same handwriting as the rest of the note? Does anyone here at CE know a handwriting expert that I can contact to have a look at these notes? If so please pm me here with the name, email address or phone number of the expert. I would like an expert opinion on the handwriting for verification.

If "Bibi" is on the up and up and telling the truth she should have no problem with us checking out the claims she makes on the boards of LL and CE. She should not take it personally if she has those who question her claims on internet forums. She should have no problem with people wanting verification that what she states regarding herself and her relationship with Linda Goodman on forums dedicated to the work and memory of Linda Goodman. She should have no problem with people wanting verification of any of the material she presents, including the video.

From her replies here and posting material she feels will put myself and Maria in a bad light she does seem to have a problem with it. She appears to take it personally and not just accept it as people just wanting verification of the truth and questioning her statements and material. If she is telling the truth and what she presents is real and valid and supported by the truth then none of this would bother her at all and she would be very understanding of it. In fact, she would have herself given us the validation without us having to look for it.

The fact that she went ballistic on me the night I asked her in the shout box here at CE for some validation that she is who and what she claims to be and her subsequent reactions and behavior is what made me suspicious in the first place. Before that I truthfully paid no attention to Bibi De Angelo at all on the boards of LL or CE. I had to ask myself why she behaved that way if she was for real. She subsquently refused to provide any evidence other than her words for anyone. It is Bibi's own doing through her own behavior that her identity is in question. I am not the only person who questions it. I am just the one who cares enough about truth that I am willing to take the time to find it. So is Juni it seems. We do this out of our own value system. Bibi should take none of it as a personal attack on her character because if she is for real she doesn't have to worry about her character being attacked. It doesn't bother me when she attempts to draw my character into question as she has done. It doesn't bother Maria either.

That she goes this far just tells me she is hiding something. I am just curious to find out what she is hiding that causes her to appear to think of me and Maria as a threat to her in some way.

Hey Connie, Juni or anyone else checking on Bibi's background... have you looked into the information from the movie trailer she posted many links about when she 1st showed up here? Maybe you can contact the production company making that movie and inquire about Bibi DeAngelo.

So far it looks like the Bibi posting here and at LL is another alias of Kathleen's.

LOL This gets better by the day.

Due to my saying on this thread that the only place that A Stars Production Company can be found through internet searches is Bibi's webpage with the banner at top, Bibi posted a new site today promoting her company. It is new as it didn't come up before in any of the searches by myself and others.

Check it out and then I will tell you what is missing from this new page of hers. But save a copy of the site as it is now because when I mention what is missing on the new website she will go back and edit her page and post it there. LOL

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/7/987/b38

Now I know this is a new site because she has the link to her You Tube interview with Philip di Franco listed on her credits. That video was just posted recently. Besides this site never came up before in the searches.

A Stars Production and Bibi De Angelo has not come up on any of the website searches designed to find companies and heads of companies. This new site of hers did not come up on USA People Search and neither did Bibi De Angelo. http://www.usa-people-search.com/Default.aspx?view=PE

If you google in A Stars Production the only thing about it comes up on Bibi's website where she has the banner saying A Stars Production and listing herself as the CEO of the company.

But something important is missing on Bibi's new website promoting A Stars Production Company. Can you guess what it is?

All of this goes back to what I stated about the lengths that Bibi will go to to prove her identity and really, cover her tracks and that just makes me all the more curious as to why. Would someone who truly is who and what they say they are go to these lengths? In fact, would someone who owns and operates a production company and consults Hollywood producers, directors and heads of studios along with actors and actresses who win academy awards have this much time on her hands to hang out at internet forums and invent new websites as fast as you call her on something?

You would think she would be way to busy conducting business to do all of that. Yet she was at LL almost on a daily basis posting there.

Kel I will message you. Good thought.

hiya guys

Hmmmm.... just went to that site, and well - what the hell is her birthday? I was curious about that today, when it occured to me: If someone is THAT much into astrology, why doesn't she list her own chart information?



Tara

I always found it curious that someone who claimed a "mastery in astrology" and was there to "share her knowledge" never posted on the astrology board of LL until just recently. That is the most frequented board of LL. Then when she finally did post at the astro section of LL Bibi asked a group of amateurs if they knew anything about the planet Vulcan????? This question coming from someone who claims to have been mentored by Linda Goodman herself who would have told her much about the planet Vulcan and give Bibi her thoughts on it???

Maybe it is just a matter of Bibi not wanting to share any of her knowledge without being paid for it. Who knows?

When this new video of Bibi's was posted at Lindaland Central one of the members came on that thread and stated that we all were jealous of Bibi and needed to get a life. Also this person stated, "It's not about Bibi, it's about Linda Goodman." Sorry but I had to laugh. From the beginning on the boards of LL and CE it has been about nothing but Bibi and her promotion of herself and who she knows and what she does. In fact that video was not about Linda Goodman either. It was all about Bibi and getting a sick old man to defend and back up what Bibi has stated on the boards. It was nothing but a defense of Bibi video.

It would have been wonderful if she had interviewed Philip de Franco about Linda Goodman. Just think of all he knows and the stories and antidotes he could share with the people of CE and LL about his friend and business partner, Linda Goodman. Now that would have been a wonderful video for Bibi to have made and shared.

Of course now that I said this we can expect one. LOL

If you check out the archives of the Linda's Life board you will find a thread ( can't remember which it was ) where Bibi was asked by a member for some info on her chart. Bibi gave her a reply in what amounted to astrology 101 and something that you might read from one of those astrology booklets you pick up at a drug store. With my knowledge of astrology I might have given her answer like that but it is not an answer anyone would expect from an expert like Bibi who counsels the Hollywood elite and helps them win oscars.

So yeah, more things that are questionable. And regardless of what some member of LL may say, we have as much right to question Bibi De Angelo as he obviously feels he does to question us and our intentions.

MoonFlower Quote:

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It would have been wonderful if she had interviewed Philip de Franco about Linda Goodman. Just think of all he knows and the stories and antidotes he could share with the people of CE and LL about his friend and business partner, Linda Goodman. Now that would have been a wonderful video for Bibi to have made and shared.

Of course now that I said this we can expect one. LOL

If you check out the archives of the Linda's Life board you will find a thread ( can't remember which it was ) where Bibi was asked by a member for some info on her chart. Bibi gave her a reply in what amounted to astrology 101 and something that you might read from one of those astrology booklets you pick up at a drug store. With my knowledge of astrology I might have given her answer like that but it is not an answer anyone would expect from an expert like Bibi who counsels the Hollywood elite and helps them win oscars.

So yeah, more things that are questionable. And regardless of what some member of LL may say, we have as much right to question Bibi De Angelo as he obviously feels he does to question us and our intentions.
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anessene, A birth chart would be interesting indeed.

After reading all her credits on her resume in her other posts/links, , did you notice anything missing in this link?

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/7/987/b38

Tres interesting, yes?

Moonflower,I agree, the video would have been wonderful if it was about Linda Goodman and Philip Di Franco...

There are at least 6 threads at LL that says: BiBi De Angelo shares....( fill in her blank)

A friend made me laugh when she said "I expect next we will see BiBi De Angelo shares lunch with God, gets good review"

Love, juni

Hey guys

Well, a picture would be a good addition to the site. THAT might answer a few questions!

And - while I know that mistakes can happen - I have to say that this is a pretty juvenile "site," with poor editing and even poorer organization.

Honestly, if I were a director or casting agent, and this popped up on my google search, I'd be thinking... amateur.

Just my 2 cents.

Noreenz found this link of Kathleen being Interviewed. She and BiBi sound NOTHING alike. So maybe they aren't the same people.

http://www.eyeonbooks.com/ibp.php?ISBN=0743299426

Greetings, Sirus/Thorshammer

Of course, they are not the same person, LOL... Honestly, that is the funniest thing I've heard in months

Cheers...

Greetings to you MagicalStone

Good to see you!

If you have proof, that`s all anyone is asking. I know you have spoken to her on the phone, the same as Sean Fisher and Michael Goodman have.

Yet they don`t "know" her any better than anyone else who has spoken to her via phone and has stated so.

I know you are a nice man much the same as Michael Goodman and Sean Fisher are, but you`re all in the same boat, yes? You all have engaged in conversation but never met,yes? You all may be taking things she has said at face value,yes?

After all her claims, all she needs to do is supply truthful information to questions asked concerning those claims. Not go to her web sites and constantly alter them as her claims are disproven.. That makes it much much harder to swollow her claims/identity.

As an intellegent man, I know you can understand the reason for the questions and the controversy they have caused.

juniperb

I have seen the full video of this interview with Kathleen McGowan that Noreenz provided and yes, I agree their voices do not sound the same.

To anyone who only listens to the voice inflection and does not look beyond the obvious but only sees reality as it APPEARS to be, things are taken on face value. However, I myself am not one of those people. I go beyond what appears in reality to be the case and look beyond the obvious. Something Bibi should understand as the trailer of the movie Metaphysia states that is the intention of the whole movie - to help change our world by asking the questions and trying to get people to look beyond what reality appears to be. Which is why I find this movie quite an awesome endeavor and wish it great success.

In our own little way that is the same thing that both myself and Juni and others here are doing in this case. Things don't gel and we are looking beyond what the reality appears to be. We are looking for the truth of what might be altered or distorted by what the reality appears to be or seems to be. We are doing that in the same form the movie Metaphysia does, by questioning. The character in the movie is both questioning what reality appears to be and seeking the truth.

Anyone can change the tone of their voice on the phone or on audio if they are working to do so and especially someone who is, as Bibi di Angelo has stated in her resumes and profiles, trained in hypnotherapy. That is one of the services that Bibi has stated she provides to her clients to aid in their recalling past lives. In order for a hypnotist to induce a state of sleep in their clients they are trained to alter their voice inflection and speak in soothing tones. Not something they may even do in their own lives when they are not performing a state of hynosis on clients or working to alter their voice on the phone or a video. From the video I am aware that Bibi spoke off camera in very soothing tones.

While the voice tone can be altered, the manner of the pronunciation of words and the use of certain phrases cannot be altered. The manner in which we pronounce words is subconscious and is a form of speech we develop from the time we first learn to speak as small children. The accent from where we were born and raised can be altered by voice coaches etc. but not the way we subconsciously pronounce words. Not the words we subconsciously use. Not the phrases we subconsciously use. I noticed those things in comparing Bibi De Angelo's voice in the background of the video and the voice of Kathleen McGowan in the interview video. They pronounce certain words the same and they use the same phrases in their speech. Kathleen McGowan comes off on face value as speaking with much more harsh tones and faster than Bibi De Angelo. While Bibi speaks very softly, very soothingly and much slower. Doesn't prove a thing for the reasons I gave.


It was notable in her video with Philip di Franco that she did not appear on camera. It is notable that those who have had encounters with Bibi di Angelo have never seen her in person, only spoken to her on the phone including Sean Fisher.

What would be very convincing to me is a picture of Bibi De Angelo and Kathleen McGowan together. Surely, since they have been friends for so very long and had luncheons etc. together one of the women should be able to provide a photograph of the two of them together. Who here does not have pictures of friends with us that we cherish due to the memories associated with that photograph? I even have pictures of myself with my cats. I cherish those the most when they have passed on and we are no longer as close and are separated. For that reason it does not appear to be a difficult thing to produce.

Hmmm... wow. So, BiBi, are you Kathleen Harkey Smith aka Kathleen McGowan?

Looking at the shape of the eyes of the brunette and the redhead above ... the prominence of the upper eyelids, steep angle of the eyes. Well, really every facial feature: nose, lips, eyebows, forehead, natural fall of the part in the hair, bracket-shaped jawline and chin. } You two could certainly pass for twins.

And then there was the "BiBi, if you're out there ..." bit in one of Kathleen's posts followed a while later by the "Kathleen, if you're out there" bit from BiBi and the joyous announcement of reunion. So, whatever you're up to on these websites, whether you're two-as-one or one-as-two, a bit of history may be pertinent.

Kathleen McGowan was among the earliest members of these forums right here, when the website associated with these forums was LindaGoodman.net. She used to post about having total recall of life in Avalon, apparently as the "Goddess of Avalon," which is the title she gives to the character Morgan la Fey of the Arthurian legends.

At that time she wasn't posting about Jesus and Mary; she was pretty focused on Avalon. And on writing a biography of Linda Goodman for Crystal Bush, who had the legal authority to call whatever book was written for her the "official biography."

Kathleen and Crystal had a falling out over "Linda Goodman's Star Cards." Kathleen was banned from the website. This was before I had any hand in the website.

I was researching information for a book on Linda when I went browsing on the web and found the LindaGoodman.net website, whose forums are now here at ConsciousEvolution.com. I wrote to the info email address, wondering who and where these people were who were running the website, and someone wrote back inviting me to join the discussion.

After a little while, somewhat out of the blue, Greg flew me out to California to talk with him and Crystal about writing the "official" Linda biography. But Crystal and I didn't hit it off, and the structure of the business relationship that I was willing to consider was nothing like the structure of the business relationship that Crystal was after.

I don't have, and never did have, any "side" in the dispute between Kathleen and Crystal.

But after Randall opened his site, Kathleen has appeared there from time to time, and now BiBi has appeared there and here. And, understandably, I suppose, based on antipathy between Kathleen and the original website's founders, pot-shots against this site and disdain and condescension toward its members have been part and parcel of postings both invidious and insidious from the ... well, let's say the pair of them.

It seems someone wants to provoke war between the sites, and has been working mighty hard on that for a mighty long time. I can see someone spending what must be great amounts of her intellectual energy seeking to ingratiate herself with certain people and disparage certain people for her own agenda. And she's also on a fishing trip for information.

She has certain items ... maybe items that Crystal gave her, back when Kathleen was writing for Crystal? Maybe even some of the items that Evelyn lent to Crystal and Crystal never returned? But she doesn't have all that much, and she's using what she has as bait.

Some people get really hooked on subterfuge and conspiracy.

I think it's a little silly. And yet, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Maria

Greetings...



Correct, which Kathleen explained.... the following link is in LindaGoodman.com forum, which was shared by a member, some time ago:





http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000100.html

LindaGoodman.com where Kathleen posted:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000100-2.html





Much love to you Kathleen! I am glad you got your books publised and more to come And Michael, Linda's son will also get his book published... CONGRATS


Silverstone/MagicalStone

MagicalStone,

Here is a little memento for you. However it contains your user name at LL.




See, it's magic!!

*note..this is of course a computer generated note using the original REAL note from the archives of Conscious Evolution and Lindaland. Then it's easy to just invent notes that appear with any saying or note on it in Linda Goodman's handwriting. This is strictly for the use of demonstration and passing it off with a claim it is a note written to any named person by Linda Goodman would be forgery so don't even think it.*

Another example:



You can see my other examples of Bibi's notes at the end of her video interview with Philip di Franco in my thread here at CE which I posted today.

http://consciousevolution.com/LindaGoodm...1722#Post161722

I see, Moonflower/Mirandee, however, most people that know how to use computers know that what you did could be done by anyone owning a computer... it's simple...LOL!

That's correct Silverstone. Anyone can do it. I see you got my point.:D

Even Bibi De Angelo could do it and put in a video if she wanted to.

I, however, am not making claims the note was written by Linda Goodman which amounts to not only exploitation of Linda Goodman for one's own agenda but forgery too which is against the law in the U.S. and holds a prison sentence.

...which seems to me to have been Moonflower's point exactly.

And may I be the first to wish each of the 47,392 people planning to write books about Linda Goodman all the best in their efforts. Most especially Michael. More power to him!

And we now return to our irregularly scheduled non-programming.

Maria

I will make a prediction here.

If it follows Bibi's pattern I predict she will remove that video from You Tube and the thread at LL which was posted concerning the video will be deleted.

However there are still an enormous amount of witnesses that viewed her video should anyone in Linda's family wish to pursue it through legal channels.

Nah, I don't think so.



I am sure Michael enjoyed her video. He talks to Bibi quite often and enjoys communicating with her.

Have a good night ladies...

Goodnight.

This is an open message to Bibi De Angelo

Bibi,

I do want to let you know that it is not my intention to hound and harrass you to the end of your days. My posting the picture comparison here, giving my thoughts and posting the note demonstration is as far as I intend to go with this unless you give me reason to not let it go.

I feel that with the threads here and what Juni and I have posted here at CE people can make up their own minds. You must accept that some people will believe you and others won't, Bibi. That's life and the way it goes, yes?

My intention was never to harass you or tear your character down. My intention was always as I stated, and I think I can speak for Juni as well, to get to the truth. In other words, my intention is not to tear down your character but to find out what your character truly is. Which is something I would not have even discussed on public forums but just drawn my own conclusions about as I do with everyone else had your actions and words and well, bragging on the forums and name dropping and attempting to cause trouble between LL and CE prompted me to look into your claims further. In looking for the truth there was always the possibility that I might be wrong about you. In seeking truth that is always the way it goes. You may find out in the end that your thoughts and beliefs are wrong.

I do believe it is true what you say about being an astrological consultant and it was in my making the effort to contact Sean Fisher of Marin Productions that I discovered that you were speaking the truth about that. So for doubting you on that, I apologize. Now, I will say I don't know if you actually did consult on the major films you listed on your websites, and that doesn't matter. If you truly do give consultations to actors, actresses, directors, producers who are very famous than my thought on that is more power to you and I wish you much luck in your consultation business.

Regarding my belief, and the belief of others as well, that you and Kathleen McGowan are one in the same person you can easily disspell that and prove otherwise simply by getting together for tea or lunch with Kathleen and having someone take your picture together, then posting that picture at LL and CE. Seems a simple request on my part and a simple thing to do since you say you are in contact with her all the time now and you both live in LA. However, and I think you know this by now, Bibi, both Juni and myself will inspect that photograph thoroughly and see if it is two separate pictures put together with the help of technology. So make it a real picture.

No need to go to any exaggerated or extraordinary lengths at all. Just do that simple thing. We all know what Kathleen McGowan looks like and now we know what you look like. Seeing the two of you in a picture together would prove on your part that you and Kathleen are only one in God and with the universe, but not the same person. Do that, Bibi and I will be the first to humbly admit how wrong I was and give you a public apology both at LL and CE.

I do not feel that you are by nature a bad person, Bibi. You may have just gotten off the spiritual track due to your profession and living in LA and being involved in all that ego hype in that environment. I can understand how that can easily happen. So maybe this is God's way of giving both myself and you an experience that we can learn from? Let's both take it and learn and grow as persons from it, Bibi.

I am now just going to await that picture of you and Kathleen together. I do not have any intention of calling around to all your contacts. I came across Sean Fisher and the phone number of his studio and his email address when I took the names listed on the movie Metaphysia from the link you provided us with at both sites. I googled his name and discovered his My Space pages. That was easy. He publically gives out his phone number and email address so I was not invading his privacy. He seems to me a nice and honest man. I don't have the time in my offline life to pursue all your contacts. LOL I wish I did. And it isn't necessary anyway. So please have no worry about that, if you do that is. I can see how you might so I want to assure you that is not the case. Okay?

Sincerely, moonflower

You can now expect, MoonFlower, the exact copy of your posts splashed all over the internet forums in the next few days and the same old "cry" and "whine" story!

Hi Moonie

We are still patiently waiting for a recent picture of Kathleen McGowan and Bibi De Angelo together which would seemingly be an easy thing for them to produce to us to make it clear they are not one in the same person.

Although so far all we have gotten from Bibi is a long silence and a new post from her at LL today in Linda's Life dropping yet another name. This time it is Carolyn Reynolds who she is talking to and knows. Once again it is all done on the phone and with smoke and mirrors but no real concrete proof to still the voice of her sceptics.

I dunno about anyone else but if my character was in question and I could easily prove who and what I say about myself, I would do that. Does she have to do that? No. But not doing so doesn't give much credence to her continued name dropping which she appears to be have an obessive/compulsive need to do.

It is Bibi who puts herself out there with her name dropping and bragging over who she is and who she knows in order to make herself appear to be a very important person. If she is going to continue to do that on public forums she needs to give others something more than just her word. That seems to me to be a courteous thing to do. Her behavior has been thus far a thumbing of her nose at those she wishes to impress and also a nose in the air type of behavior. Not acceptable for someone who continues to throw herself out there in the limelight for all to see. We are all answerable for our words and behavior. I don't care who we are. I don't care if it is the President of the U.S., Queen Elizabeth or the Pope. Everyone is answerable. Whether Bibi likes that or not.

Yesterday the recent polls were released on President Bush and he has a record low for a President's popularity with the people. The poll shows that 71% of the American people don't like him as a President and are very dissatified with his performance as President. And Bush is also one that feels that he is above questioning and thumbs his nose at the people. So huge is his ego that he does not even care that he is taking his whole Republican Party down with him.

multiple-personality disorder, perhaps!