Weird that the quote didn't put the time there, as it is there in the original post.

As for the Johnstown, question... it still isn't answered. I was wondering if it was Johnstown, Pennsylvania (PA) Linda lived in (I have family there), as I am sure that there are other states that have the city Johnstown besides Pennsylvania. I think that the city of Springfield is in all 50 states of the US.

What I find odd is that if the answer was there all the time in the information that Bibi posted here why did she reply thusly to my inquiry?:



I find it odd that if she knew Linda Goodman so well why would she not know that she once lived in Johnstown, PA off the top of her head? And in fact, Kel is right, she did not name the State of PA. Also, if she knew the material she posted both at LL and here so well why did she not just direct me to where it was stated in her post? That kind of makes me think that material was copied and pasted from some other place and not even read thoroughly enough by Bibi to know what exactly it contained. But that would be plagiarism to not cite the true author wouldn't it and Bibi wouldn't do that now would she?

Another thing that I noticed when you sent me back to look over that post, Daisy was the statement that Bibi De Angelo made here:



The sequence of those events from the time that Yourfriendinspirit mentioned Bibi and the time that Bibi signed on as a member at LL do not coincide with her statement here that she just happened on Yourfriendinspirits inquiry about her by Gooling her name and her webmaster suggested she start a thread to answer the inquiry Yourfriendinspirit made.

The truth is that Bibi De Angelo was signed on as a member for two months at LL before this inquiry was made. Bibi's reply to Yourfriendinspirit's inquiry as to whether anyone knew her was her first post as a member of LL yet she was a member for two months before Yourfriendinspirit came across the post by Kathleen McGowan while just searching through the archives of the Linda's Life board at LL one day. Yourfriendinspirit found the post by Kathleen McGowan interesting but she came across it by accident. So Bibi did not become a member of LL for the reason she gave. She could not have foreseen Yourfriendinspirit happening on a post by accident and then posting an inquiry about it two months prior to it taking place. I don't know exactly when she signed on as a member of CE and if it was at the same time she signed on at LL or later or before.


What do you guys here know about Kathleen McGowan?

Hi Moonflower your post intrigued me and I had a look. Indeed you are right about the BiBi`s posting times/dates.

I don`t know K.M. but theres much on the internet. She has been plagued by plagerism, false identies and lawsuits. Anyone with a keyboard has access to her troubles and should look for themselves if they seek info on her.

I read she channels her work, akin to how BiBi channeled her higher self to "see" 26t was Maria .. Seems some types of channeling fall short of the mark as BiBi was wrong, so it will play out much as it seems to be doing for Kathleen.


Here`s two amazon posts relating to her and her beliefs/troubles.








Charles says:
The Expected One novel fell in the bestseller list, instead of climbing. It will never make number one, not even the top ten. The book also fell dramatically in Amazon sales ranks. The poor writing style and the egotistical claims in the dedication (Mary Magdalene and Jesus are my ancestors) probably killed its chances.

Someone on McGowan's own forum posted today saying they Googled Kathleen McGowan and RLC (stands for Rennes le Chateau) and were astonished at what came up. So I tried the same. Here is what I found.

http://messageboard.cinescape.com/phenome namagazine/forums/showthread.php?t=943

A person with the name RCH writes:
I suppose it is inevitable that this would happen sooner or later. I "met" Kathleen McGowan (aka Kathleen [Harkey] Smith) in 1998. She was lurking under the pseudonym Sherdhana on Laurence Gardner's now infamous Entropic forum, which was based around decoding clues in paintings in the manner of Leonardo da Vinci, which was meant to promote Gardner's then new book Bloodline of the Holy Grail, about the bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. She contacted me offlist and later became part of my own private research group. I still have all of her private emails to me, as it's my policy to keep exchanges of this kind.

At the time, my impression was that Kath clearly had no interest in Mary Magdalene at all... her main obsession was proving that she was the astrologer Linda Goodman's chosen successor. She insisted on sending me a "top secret" document that she claimed Goodman had "given" her... when I received it, I realised that this document was freely available on the internet as Doreal's translation of The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean, a channeled work from the 1930s.

I later got to know the real person Linda Goodman had chosen to carry on her legacy and was horrified to witness what ensued.

So, I guess after Kath realised that she couldn't be Linda Goodman, she realised that she was actually Mary Magdalene.

I think it would be more in keeping with Phenomena's editorial policy if we analysed the book itself here on the forum. I know this material extremely well - especially some of the locations (I had an office in Paris behind Saint Sulpice in the 1990s, so I know Paris, Gisors, Versailles, and Chartres like the back of my hand) which I myself have written about abundantly and I am astonished at the amount of errors in this book.

Another post on the same forum says a French person living in RLC met McGowan last month when she visited there and could tell it was her first visit to the area and she even asked where Poussin's tomb was, because that tomb is a huge feature in her book. Turns out she didn't even know it was demolished years ago and so made that huge error in the Expected One.

Kathleen McGowan now posted to her forum that the people above talking about her on this British forum are psychopathic liars. Here are Kathleen's own threatening words posted today to her forum:

"I am deleting this asrticle and would appreciate it if you
please do not give the narcissistic psychopath who wrote this article
any more attention. She's a lunatic, a liar, and this is libel.
That's why I have lawyers on both sides of the Atlantic and have
become well versed in the libel laws of the UK. I plan to spend quite
a bit of time there in the near future."

The article she refers to which she deleted is here: http://phenomena.cinescape.com/0/editoria l.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Into+Fringe&actio n=page&obj_id=4871

It doesn't scream libel to me at all. McGowan's name isn't even mentioned, though it is implied. She wants to be a public figure, yet cries foul when people question her outlandish egotistical claims. She is very lawsuit happy, too. Somewhere in this Amazon product forum somebody says she sued Linda Goodman's spiritual heir and lost. McGowan claimed she had co-written Linda Goodman's Star Cards (available here on Amazon) and wanted half the profits. McGowan also wrote a very vicious review of Linda Goodman's Star Cards right here on Amazon, it's the third or fourth review listed, where she claims she knew Linda Goodman and wrote the original drafts for the book! The court of law disagreed with her. Now she is sue-happy and has lawyers on both sides of the Atlantic she says. This woman seems egotistical and nasty, in my "constitutionally protected opinion" (a phrase McGowan herself uses in her Amazon review of Linda Goodman's Star Cards).

The rest of the posts discuss the Expected One in more detail (calling it by a hilarious malapropism!) here: http://messageboard.cinescape.com/phenome namagazine/forums/showthread.php?t=943

http://www.amazon.com/McGowan-hypnotism-...asin=0743299426

6 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
Buyer Beware - This is NOT Linda's Work!!, December 28, 2005
By Kathleen McGowan "Author, http://www.themagdaleneline.com"


I was involved with the conception of this project and I even wrote the original drafts. I knew Linda Goodman and I knew Crystal Bush. It is, in my constitutionally protected opinion, a fraud of the highest order to put Linda's name anywhere on this product.

Buy Linda's REAL work - and read about her fascinating, true perspective on numerology in "Star Signs". Discover the amazing secrets she has in store for the world in "Gooberz." Understand yourself and your loved ones through "Sun Signs" and "Love Signs".

But please don't encourage this kind of exploitation of her name! This has gone on long enough. It's time to revere her memory and accept the beauty of the legacy she left us without trying to capitalize on her name with shoddy and misleading products.

The publisher at Hampton Roads should be ashamed of the hoax he is perpetrating with this product. But alas, financial opportunism knows no shame.

The dishonesty and evil intent that surround this product are unworthy of Linda's beautiful energy.

Avoid at all costs.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2MYXS6I3TA4IG/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2MYXS6I3TA4IG

I`m confident if there are any errors here, BiBi / Kathleen will kindly set the record straight.
juni

Thanks for posting that, Juni. That one I haven't seen as yet.

Actually, Juni I was in err in my post. The time frame of when Bibi De Angelo signed on at LL as a member and her first post in response to Yourfriendinspirit's inquiry about her was 4 months, not the 2 months I stated.

Bibi became a member of LL in Jun. 2007 and her first post in answer to YFIS's inquiry was on Oct. 2007.

More info on Katheleen McGowan:

THE UNEXPECTED KATHLEEN MCGOWAN
AUTHOR FACTS STRANGER THAN FICTION
Sunday, August 12, 2007
by Rollan McCleary

I have read The Expected One but am less interested in the novel than its author, Kathleen McGowan, who claims she’s descended from Jesus and the Magdalene, and who employs the medium of fiction to explain how she arrived at these beliefs. The novel itself, the first of three - the next volume is The Book of Love about a gospel Jesus supposedly wrote - was at least sometimes more attractive to me than the inevitable comparison, The Da Vinci Code.

Yet I still periodically wondered if I would be able to get through the novel. The second half is more polished than the first which contains some odd sentences and clichés so that I was not surprised a critic took exception to sentences like one from the first chapter I had noticed like: “History hung heavy in the rarified and holy air as the faithful hurried to houses of worship in preparation for their respective Sabbaths”. Anyway, I feel the writer’s skill developed in the writing and editorial advisors were asleep or overly polite about some passages (and the spelling of some French phrases).

But as said, ultimately it was the mystery of the author and her mind that kept me going. However much I disagree with what McGowan proposes I remain intrigued by what she imagines she’s dealing in, namely major new/alternative information about Jesus. Also how she got this material to the public after allegedly years of struggle is something that naturally interests me after years of experience of the same kind of effort. It seems her Irish Catholic musician husband (McGowan herself has a Baptist background) helped considerably.

Nevertheless by now the Irish American, Hollywood born McGowan has more than overcome any difficulties. While she loudly defends her “Truth against the World” position and protests the injustice of those who demand more academic, written, standard evidence from her, in fact she is very much being heard on her own informal terms with publishing backing her and putting out Expected in at least fifteen languages. Despite the unusual and for some even offensive claims McGowan is making there was not a paper or magazine I applied to in Ireland ( mainly Northern Ireland where McGowan is supposed to have worked in journalism and first report of her claims came through) was interested to have any comment from me. This is from someone published, an Irish national, a doctor of religious studies and himself similarly, if on a very different basis, claiming original information on Jesus at variance with McGowan’s. So she’s well defended and supported for alternative Jesus cults and clearly Ireland is changed or changing.

FICTION, FACTION AND NEW GOSPELS THROUGH FRANCE

The title “The Expected One” refers to prophecies in the traditionally Cathar regions of France that at some point one of the Magdalene’s descendants (she has a special representative in each generation) will present to the world her true story along with a gospel she wrote. The novel includes excerpts from this Magdalene gospel discovered through France - but paraphrased and adapted for the modern reader according to the important Afterword. If you accept the much disputed record of what McGowan has been doing and writing in France and Ireland – there’s no record she was editor of a paper in Ireland though she seems to have been some kind of freelance journalist - then she has been researching her subject for nearly two decades (since 1989) and is very much in touch with some Zeitgeist besides. Necessarily so because if the book cannot be seen as remarkably anticipating both The Da Vinci Code and publication of The Judas Gospel then you will think it has managed to ride in on their coat tails. (However we must allow coincidences – Slavoj Zizev’s The Puppet and The Dwarf of 2003 makes Judas out to be an “ethical hero” and anticipates the Gospel of Judas's line).

Whatever, although Expected is similar to Code for its Magdalene theme, for its French secret societies (and even its murder theme opening ) plus its trendy Gospel of Judas style desire to excuse Judas (and quite a few other people) the novel still contradicts and varies upon claims of DVC and Gnostic gospels considerably. Yes, Jesus was married and had children but he was still divine, crucified and was resurrected even if his project amid this wasn’t to redeem the world (he only died because his good friend Judas bungled some plans!) but rather to give an example and messages of especially forgiveness. For this the Magdalene was Jesus’ true mouthpiece, his real apostolic successor, not the other disciples. It’s incidentally an idea of the book, and a rather Gnostic one, that if one just accepts this forgiveness one will never suffer again. Indeed even Jesus himself didn’t really suffer on the cross and Annas and Caiaphas who realized they made a mistake about Jesus felt bad about it but could have stopped their agonizing over it and got happy if they would have just let go the guilt.

KATHLEEN MCGOWAN’S VARIOUS SOURCES

McGowan’s sources for what she is revealing are threefold and are:

1) Various Gnostic and apocryphal sources like The Gospel of Pilate which make Pilate and his wife virtual saints. Anything approaching the given gospel story of Jesus McGowan recalls in interview having first warmed to at ten years old following attendance at the (itself largely apocryphal and based on Judas’ view of events) Jesus Christ Superstar musical. She began singing its Magdalene’s song repeatedly, her first identification with the Magdalene so she “blames” her subsequent obsession with MM on Rice and Webber. Overall McGowan is biased towards any alternative sources having developed what’s called “a hermeneutic of suspicion” as a result of living in the Ireland of the Troubles. This made her realize the extent to which there's bias and contradiction in the reporting of events. And then there was simply her experience of being a woman. Put the two together and history itself is something to be doubted, especially woman’s.

2) Oral traditions and a variety of private sources in mainly France, sources McGowan cannot or will not reveal because they supposedly compromise people’s safety or secret society rules. This could at least in some instances be true though her information lets down credibility in some places rather badly. Her Magdalene Gospel of Arques is named for and linked in the novel to the Arcadia tomb at Arques, allegedly portrayed in the centuries old famous Poussin picture Et in Arcadia Ego. In fact this tomb, now demolished to keep trespassers away, was only built in 1933 and its Poussin associations belongs to the hoax invented by M. Plantard that the authors of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail took up.

3) Visions McGowan has had and which supply her unique perspectives. Near the beginning of the novel Maureen goes to Jerusalem as McGowan did and is suddenly overcome by a vision of the Magdalene on the way to the crucifixion, a Magdalene who asks for her help. McGowan also claims that she was years trying to process the revelation (i.e. vision ) that MM was first married to a very reluctant John the Baptist (who was a bit of wife beater and who got executed because the really well intentioned Nazarene follower, Salome, in defending Mary tried to get John imprisoned, not as happened, executed!)

However misguided (and even opportunistic) she might be at a certain level I detect McGowan is sincere in her way. I doubt she would quite write the following if she didn’t mean it:

There were many, many times when I wondered about my worthiness to tell this story. I don’t think I’ve slept through the night in more than ten years as I have agonized over the details in this book and its potential repercussions. (p.439)

Also perhaps the admission:

“It literally took years for me to process that revelation [about John the Baptist’s marriage to the Magdalene and his abusive behaviour] before I was prepared to write about it. (p.437)

The first of these statements gives a framework for composition of the book. A bit over 10 years even if not the more contestable approximately 20 years that she tried to persuade her publisher was the case. Before 1997 she had certainly been looking into alternative histories of famous, often maligned people especially women; but something more definite started around 1997 and we can know what it was, namely a trip to Israel. The big question is whether it was a trip for or about the book and the Magdalene story we now have or if a vision about the Magdalene in 1997 was the source of the book. Indelibly inscribed at the Linda-Goodman.com site for 1999 at
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000100.html

we find a message from Kathleen McGowan describing her movements and interests.

She says that in 1997 she visited Israel to study the Essene mysteries, stars, plants etc. This journey was influenced by reaction to her friend, pop astrologer Linda Goodman’s passing, which makes it sound as though it occurred that year rather than 1995. No word here about seeing, studying, or fictionalizing the Magdalene but plenty about the occult and tarot (which McGowan says she has practiced since childhood) and numerology. Supposedly under Goodman’s influence (she was a fan who had only spoken on phone to Goodman but knew rather better Goodman’s confidante, Crystal Bush) she got to preparing a set of star cards to teach a form of numerology. The same site contains an angry letter from “Donna” who tells about legal arguments with a publisher over McGowan’s alleged attempts to erase her contributions to McGowan’s work.

AN ISIS WORSHIPPING, TAROT PRACTICING JESUS DESCENDANT

In December 1998 in honour of Linda Goodman (who had supposedly spoken to McGowan from the other side about a problem with her numerology work) McGowan records that she performed her annual promised secret ritual to Isis and Osiris. While McGowan is entitled to follow whatever beliefs she likes it is, to put it mildly, ironic that someone claiming descent from Jesus and the Magdalene with discoveries of their true teachings for the world should want or need to be worshipping Isis. It would however be consistent with claims elsewhere on the Net that McGowan has been changing personas (in a style fiction writers often do, blending truth and reality, re-writing their own and other people’s histories) at one time back in the nineties putting herself out as descendant of Celtic high priestesses. If so, presumably she wasn’t so deeply if at all into the Jesus dynasty theories as long ago as portrayed. Ten years at most. Or perhaps there wasn’t any clear starting point for specific research ….it was a matter more of precisely vision.

Just as she allowed the deceased Linda Goodman’s voice to illumine her numerology commentary, I should say McGowan is strongly clued into the occult and her visions act as authority with other data a rather minor second. And I would guess that whatever else may be true or false about her McGowan does have these visions ( she has insisted in interviews that the novel's story of vision of the Magdalene in Jerusalem is absolutely authentic as are other reported visions). Her novel’s heroine is Maureen Paschal, a family name she discovers is a Cathar one linked to Magdalene claims. This name and theme fictionalizes issues McGowan portrays as important to her like discovering facts about her father and forebears she would never have imagined like the involvement of her Baptist grandfather in Free Masonry and the esoteric generally.

If McGowan’s forebears had these esoteric involvements then without there being anything so dramatic as a Jesus lineage she could have, as in wicca linked families, inherited spiritual connections of another sort. I am aware that the concern some Christians have about believers dividing their faith with secret societies is because of the sort of legacy (“contracts”) this supposedly sets up, not simply a case of intuitional or psychic sensitivity such as anyone might possess on a genetic basis but contact with spirits which especially arts like Tarot that McGowan has practiced bring into play. Divination as of Tarot is believed to be linked to a specific Spirit of Divination.

A STRANGE SPIRIT STORY

Here I shall make brief digression to tell a story linked to the difficult subject of familiar spirits such as – possibly - McGowan inherits and communicates with when she hears Goodman beyond the grave or sees the Magdalene all over the place. Some years ago someone I knew in astrology circles was recommended to a supposedly very expert Tarot reader whom she visited out of curiosity. This person told me she could never forget and never explain how and why at some point into the session with the pleasant and accurate consultant, suddenly terror overtook her. So as not to seem offensive to the reader or personally ridiculous she had to prevent herself from screaming and running from the room because there, standing above the reader was this terrifying, ugly, salivating monster. I said I couldn’t explain the incident any more than herself unless to say it could have been she had seen a spirit of divination, a “familiar spirit” such as gives the occult such predictive success as it enjoys amid the deceptions and errors and the reason divination is scripturally under ban. (Please note divination is what is based on intuition or working with spirits, not what is empirically derived as in the case of astrology which fundamentalist but not Jews like to lump with the black arts).

LINDA GOODMAN, THE MCGOWAN GURU

Even if this peculiar story is irrelevant Linda Goodman, a sort of occult guru to McGowan, isn’t. Goodman is so important for McGowan’s worldview and for modern New Ageism more generally that we aren’t surprised to learn that like St Francis of Assisi, Joan of Arc and most people of any significance, she’s a Jesus descendant too! The only trouble is that Goodman isn’t quite in a league with the others. The book Linda Goodman’s Star Signs whose numerologies McGowan took so seriously and developed surely deserves a prize for whacky occultism (when I read it parts of the book had me nearly falling off my chair for laughter). Inspired by some spirit who materialized to her in the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel in the course of the book Goodman theorizes she, and in effect no one, needs to die but can live indefinitely on air as a breatharian. She even supplies a diet towards gradually reaching that stage via vegetarian and fruitarian stages.

Whether or not Goodman followed it herself and it contributed to her premature decease the fact is she died in 1995, officially of diabetic complications and staged no resurrections as might have been appropriate given her beliefs re alleged ancestry. She also wrote a huge quasi- autobiographical novel-*** -epic called Goobers about mainly love and reincarnation all in a sort of poetic doggerel. It’s a work that is near Bible to McGowan who admits in her Afterword always to have it to hand. If I rightly recall from my cursory look at the book years ago it included some rather derogatory remarks regarding the Holy Spirit whom Goodman didn’t seem to deem too reliable in marked contrast to the number of the Beast/Antichrist which she speaks of in her numerology in Star Signs. Again this is a pretty poor showing from an assumed Jesus descendant and a spiritually bad vibe too, but McGowan evidently hasn’t taken any warning signals from it (rather like someone I know who had an affair with somebody claiming Jesus descent and who regrets the experience because this person was too much into the dark side).

But McGowan’s trust was perhaps inevitable. The lesson you would learn from Goodman’s esoteric obsessions is to defy all obvious fact and call it something like McGowan’s “Truth against the world”. Another Goodman blind spot had been refusing to accept her daughter was disappeared, dead and would never return. Police finally closed the case as suicide, accidental or deliberate. For years and until the end of her life Goodman was forever invoking power and faith at a personal altar to make her daughter return. It was astrology that gave her the pretext but then her astrology was itself strange. She used a system of houses that most astrologers consider pretty unworkable but this would again fit some “truth against the world” policy as would her insistence against all the facts that Marilyn Monroe had to have been born two months before the given date under Aries, not Gemini.

What perhaps most unites Goodman and McGowan is their birth under the Ram of Aries, the sign strong on ego awareness and the battle. McGowan’s story so far and to judge from the tales floating around is a history of spats, confrontations with people and legal disputes and beyond that a major argument with the world as given, a battle against fact and history. Sometimes McGowan regrets the (biblical) record she subverts and supplants as when she declares John the Baptist to have been an unsatisfactory abusive first husband of the Magdalene and progenitor of yet another special lineage through his one son. (This one son “Little John” whom Jesus adopts when he married the Magdalene is then the source of the idea of a “Beloved Disciple”!). It’s all heady stuff and just possibly having presented the world next year with a gospel Jesus wrote, McGowan will live to regret a few more “revealed” facts. It would be appropriate if publishing and media shared a few regrets about the promotion of this kind of material but it’s not too likely - originally self published it’s gone way beyond any Irish cottage industry by now.

Finally…..I see there is a McGowan Blog if you want to follow further developments and declarations. You may be surprised that for Magdalene’s day July 22nd this year along with prayer to this saint and insistence she was in France and can be felt around the St Baume area McGowan writes as easily as a rationalist about “legends” of the Magdalene. Is there a rationalist side to McGowan?. Who knows? But it does seem likely there will always be an unexpected side.

Posted by Rollan McCleary at 5:58 AM
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3 comments:
Cepheus said...
You put a lot of time and research into the review about McGowan and her background. It was an excellent review. I hope you post a copy at amazon.

Out of kindness (?) you left out a few more details such as her harrassment, attacks and threats against authors and unfavorable critics, or the fact that she has been publicly accused of acquiring most of her "inspiration" and source material from others (not from the dreams and visions she alludes to in her story) including what she calls "the Gospels of Magdalene." Makes one wonder where she will get the "Gospels of Jesus" from for her next book (if indeed that ever materializes).

McGowan appears to be someone who is morally bereft of good judgement when it comes down to her ego and the almighty dollar.

McGowan is a woman constantly on the lookout for ways to reinvent herself and scam the public.
Well, as they say, "Every girl has her price." And her fifteen minutes of fame.

However few would go as far as McGowan for an almighty dollar. Her conflicting and ever-changing claims have been appearing on the internet for years.

""Oh the tangled webs we weave when we first practice to deceive....""

Thanks for the excellent and thought-provoking review.

August 27, 2007 3:36 AM
Critic said...
A fascinating exploration of the Kathleen McGowan phenomenon. Thank you.

There is a long and detailed review of her book under the title "Don't Expect Much from The Expected One", at http://www.mania.com/forums/showthread.s=beaphp?7c6e9168d0c830a2444c8f5aed336&t=2469

This looks at the book rather than its author, so in a way complements your comment.

As you say, there has been a lot of discussion on the internet about McGowan's history over the last few years, particularly her contributions to (and perhaps borrowings from) a number of online speculative groups.

Perhaps the most pertinent point is that the Yahoo group about her book does not allow ANY comment or discussion that she might disagree with, and immediately bans any member who shows the slightest element of independent thought. Banning free speech is a sign of dogmatism and despotism, not of the enlightened person McGowan claims to be.

September 1, 2007 8:09 AM
Richard said...
Spot-on. Those of us who've known Kathleen Harkey Smith (her real name) as an overtly hostile and polarizing presence on various internet forums for the past decade can attest to the fact that her obsession with Magdalene is of recent vintage. Ten years ago she was an IRA courier, a Wiccan high priestess, and a natural blonde. The pinnacle of her literary career at that point had been the ill-conceived "Tragic Kingdom-Inside Michael Eisner's Disney", written while she was herself a Disney employee and which compromised the careers and livelihood of several colleagues who didn't know their words would wind up in print. The book was published and quickly pulped by two vanity publishers in the wake of staggering legal entanglements, while Smith merely changed her name (though not legally) and set of in search of her next incarnation. Her past is too broadly diffused not to catch up with her at every step.

September 1, 2007 9:26 AM
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Kathleen McGowan...although she is a published author of books has been charged numerous times of plagiarizing the writings of others and has not won one of those suits against her. She has also been in and out of psychiatric hospitals and is known to frequent forums on the internet posing as different people. Kathleen McGowan was a member of LL under her own name but recently Bibi De Angelo posted a letter at LL supposedly written to her by Kathleen McGowan which was filled with all kinds of paranoias about behind the scenes things happening at the site and stating that for that reason she was leaving although she had not posted at LL for a long time anyway. So I felt it odd that she would suddenly write a letter about a site and announce her leaving if she hadn't been posting there anyway.


As for the information I just posted about Kathleen McGowan and her law suits for plagiarism and her mental history you can find all that on the internet just by Googling her name as Juni stated. It seems from what a source told me that Linda Goodman was one of her victims as she was also accused of plagiarizing some of her material. Perhaps that was the cards that Juni's article spoke of.

Another thing I find odd is that Bibi has mentioned that Linda Goodman introduced her to her "clients." It's my understanding that Linda Goodman didn't have "clients." Clients are people you charge for your services. Linda Goodman never charged people for doing their charts. Correct me if I wrong about that, Maria.

If that is indeed the case how could Linda Goodman introduce Bibi to clients?

Wow, Connie and Juni, I haven't read deeply into what you just posted. Just skimmed it because I have so much to do. I don't really know what to say on most of it.

About BiBi and how close she and Linda might have been, I only know that Evelyn, who answered and placed Linda's phone calls for Linda in the last several years of her life, says she never heard of BiBi DeAngelo. I think it's still possible there was a link, but I find that odd.

Regarding clients: Linda did read for many people who were well-known or highly placed in the world. Sometimes she did not ask them beforehand if they wanted that done; she just did it. I have not personally seen records indicating she ever took payment for any of those ... and I have seen a fair amount of financial records relative to her writing income, her assets, her expenditures... I know she gave readings to friends and neighbors without charge. I don't think she charged anyone for readings, but it's hard to prove a negative and I haven't seen everything.

Maria

Connie…… think what you will… you will anyways…

Juniper…. Kathleen has written a book that has been distributed to over 40 countries. The floor of lawyers at the publishing firm would have had to have done “due diligence” on her background. Incredible that Kathleen has 6 times as much positive things out on the internet, however, all your postings and Connie’s posting are only sharing the negative. Why is that? Seems odd…

Maria… I find it preposterous that if Evelyn didn’t make a phone call for Linda… then it’s odd.. and an indicator that Linda might not know the person! The majority of my contact with Linda was in Los Angeles, and Linda always called me personally. I think you give Evelyn’s knowledge more merit than it may deserve. Linda referred to her as someone that did her errands for her… Linda may have called Evelyn Sister… however, Linda use that salutation to many people… she didn’t use it as a reference to someone so close they were like family.

You know… if you all think I’m not real… and a con.. then I certainly don’t need to be in this site…I have no need and desire to constantly educate others on the truth. Even more importantly, the most logical thing for you to do Maria, is to delete this entire thread from your website. Feel free to do so!

You know, Bibi, you go an awful long way to defend yourself and I know if I was who and what I say I am I wouldn't find those extremes necessary. In fact, I would just assume that on any online forum on the internet there would be those who are skeptical about all the exaggerated self-promotions and cliams I make. I would accept it as part of the territory. In fact I do accept that there may be those who don't believe all I say on the internet. I would especially expect some people to be skeptical if I didn't offer any concrete proof of my identity and contradict and present as much erronous information as you do. Gullible and irrational people will believe anything they are told on the internet but most of us don't. Let alone exaggerated claims and exaggerated self-promotions. Most rational thinking people want something tangible to support what others claim they are and who they claim they are.

On your bio you state that it was in the early to mid 90's that you arrived in Los Angeles. Then you state that all your contacts with Linda Goodman were in LA. At that time in LG's life it was just prior to her death. She was not all that well and had undergone a leg amputation from the effects of her diabetes. How many trips did LG make to LA at that time to do commericials and was business that important to her when she faced the probability of death? I guess she just put her health and all that aside to be in a commericial with you, Bibi and also spend hours with you doing charts. You have never produced that commerical either. Another one of your many claims that you have not supported.

So lets get real here. Truth is you weren't going to reply here at CE but instead took it to LL and put in two posts there at what was FFA and is now Lindaland Central. The things you stated in those posts about Evelyn upset Michael Goodman and consequently your thread was deleted at his request. So now you are here.

You were undermining Evelyn on those posts, as you are here now, and making it appear that Michael didn't like her which upset Michael because he and LG's kids all love Evelyn. Apparently, to serve your agendas, you are not above posting information that was divulged to you in a private conversation and twisting what was said to mean something completely different than was intended. You know that LG never told you that Evelyn was just a Go For for her - an errand girl. If you really did know Linda Goodman you would know that she loved Evelyn and considered her much more than just an errand runner. You are truly a piece of work, Bibi

You are right. I can think what I want and say what I want and you might not want to know what I do think about exactly who and what you are up to at both LL and CE on the public forums. Because I am an honest and forthright person. Something way beyond your comprehension obviously. I know you to be a pathological liar as you told Randall lies about me and what I said in the shout box. I spoke to you in the shout box the night before my modship was stripped asking you for some tangible proof of your claims and the next day my modship was stripped based on your trumped up charges and lies. You are a manipulator who is so used to dishonesty and lies for your own agendas that you were cautious to say it was in the shout box I said those things and not in a post because there is no history in a chat box as things sroll away in conversation as people talk back and forth. So remember, I know first hand what a pathological liar and manipulator you are. Oddy enough, the same thing was stated about Kathleen McGowan who suddenly sent you an email saying she was leaving LL right after all that went down.

I think that Kathleen McGowan would be very interested in the fact there are two books in the works about Linda Goodman that she is not involved in. There has to be some reason why "Bibi" was signed on at LL and then CE 4 months before she posted the first time. Excuse me for using you in the third person there but I feel if you can talk like Elmo in reference to yourself then I can as well. There has to be some reason why you seem to feel the need to undermine and cut down both Maria and Evelyn while working on Michael Goodman who is also working on a book about his mom.

There has to be some reason why you go to such lengths to do defend your true identity, when all you really have to do is show some tangible proof of it, and why you exaggerate and promote yourself so much. If you did not feel that there was anything valid in JuniperB, Maria, Kel and I questioning things about you on this thread then you wouldn't be here on this thread now and you wouldn't have posted in regards to it at LL. To do so and go to these lengths only tells me that you feel threatened by our questioning your real identity and your claims, Bibi. If you didn't you would just chalk it up to what you said, we can think what we want to think and you would just ignore it. I mean, if you truly are who and all that you claim to be, " Hollywood's best kept secret," then why should you care what anyone else thinks? I know I wouldn't.

The truth is going to come out, Bibi. The truth always does in time. Regarding what is posted about Katheleen McGowan on the internet and there being good things, that is fine, but there are also dualities in life. One of those being that for every positive there is a negative, and both should be recognized. Truthfully the only good things I found about Katheleen were at her own website. Same as your websites, Bibi. Would I expect any different than that at those sites?

You know, BiBi, what you just said speaks volumes ... about you. But it contains not one sliver of truth about the people you think you're trying to talk about or speak for.

I have at times been known to give people the benefit of the doubt, over and over, in contradiction to my own intuitions. I've run out now of any leftover benefit of the doubt to offer you in terms of whether you might actually be a well-intentioned person who just has an unfortunate manner of interacting with others.

Evelyn, on the other hand, has never needed any benefit of any doubt in any area. She simply is what she is all the way through. As truthful and real and caring as the day is long.

Thanks very much all the same for offering your spin on Linda. Personally, I think I'll pass.

Maria

BiBi,



The racier the background, the more money will be generated. Controversy is a good seller and you know it.



To stand on Evelyn`s shoulders to make your self look taller is just the behaviour Kathleen McGowan is said to be known for.


Like WriteOn, thanks but no thanks on your character assignations.

juniperb

hey all

Well, looks like my intuition was right... I saw "Hollywood" propaganda being posted on this site just before I left in disgust, and now I can tell you why.

Bibi, if you are reading this, (and obviously, your ego will dictate that you do) I've just finished reading this long thread, and ICK.

"Beware of false prophets," indeed.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who makes claims to have known "this person," or "that person," and then refuses to step up to the plate and defend these claims is a liar. (Not to mention an egomaniac.)

And the phrase Maria put so eloquently, "To stand on Evelyn`s shoulders to make your self look taller is just the behaviour Kathleen McGowan is said to be known for," kinda makes me wanna say:

Hello, Kathleen. And goodbye, Kathleen.

On a more topical note, any descendent of Jesus and/or Mary Magdalene would have the good grace to keep their mouths shut about it, don't ya think?

anessene

Well... there is a 225 Lincoln St in Johnstown, PA, but it still dosen't mean that it was Johnstown PA that Linda lived at. It's a possibility though.

Bibi,

I agree in that if you are who you say you are, then it should be no problem to show some proof of it. I find it curious that you don't have a picture of yourself on your website and haven't produced one of you and Linda together if you were as close to her as you claim to be. It would certainly clear things up.

Kel,

I agree. That is all I asked for, evidence to support that Bibi is who and what she says she is and knows all the names she drops on the forums. Doesn't seem like an unreasonable request to me. Apparently from what is stated in the article above, we are not the only ones who have requested that evidence.

But I keep this in mind:



Seems Bibi also goes a long way to try silence those that question her or give a differing opinion. A VERY LONG WAY!!!!!

Edited to add:

Bibi, Please refrain from addressing me with my given name. You do not have my permission to do so. That is reserved for friends and family. That I sign my posts at times with my given name shows that here at CE I feel I am amongst friends and my friends at LL have my permission to call me by my given name as well. You don't. So please keep that in mind in the future.

So Busted!!!

hey to juniperb,

Sorry, my friend... I mistook YOUR very eloquent quote as Maria's. My apologies.

anessene

No worries anessene

We`re all on the same page!!

love,juni

I felt that since I mentioned in my post the time period of when Bibi De Angelo became a member of LL and time she first posted I should support that statement with evidence.

So here are two posts of Bibi's from LL which I had saved when I noticed the time difference and you can see on her profile the date she became a member at LL was June, 2007. The following posts were the first time Bibi posted at LL and you can see the dates on these posts.

BiBi DeAngelo
Knowflake
Posts: 603
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2007
posted October 18, 2007 05:56 AM
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This is BiBi DeAngelo, I found some of the posting in this forum interesting especially from yourfriendinspirit and Thorshammer. Since you all seem to desire to know if I'm real…. if I truly knew Linda…. I feel compelled and guided to post this reply.
Prior to sharing my background with Linda, I would like to address a couple of postings on this site, because it actually appeared in Google searches.

ONE: As for yourfriendinspirt posting wondering if Linda would promote all that I do and mention on my website: bibideangelo.com I believe Linda, as I’m sure you’ll agree, promoted assisting souls with information that made their life journey as successful and positive as it could be. When I discussed the possibility of using Astrology with Linda in this format… she didn’t see why it couldn’t work. Then she suggested I do a research of the charts, which I did for almost one year. The research and facts were logical, predictable and accurate. So I followed my guidance, and have been guiding the entertainment industry since 1991.

TWO: As for Thorshammer posting wondering why I didn’t give more details on Linda. Well Thorshammer… read the rest of this posting and I believe you’ll be provided with more details. The Webmaster thought it best not to get too personal with items on Linda, however, to educate potential clients how the Science of Astrology could enhance their projects and lives. I listed only two of Linda’s books, because those are the 2 almost everyone knows (Love Signs & Sun Signs). We all know she wrote many more, and I even said so… if you read the posting that yourfriendinspirt posted when they wrote: Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo.

I was introduced to my late friend, Linda Goodman, by her business associate, Philip di Franco. Most of you all can find Philips name in her books… Philip was introduced to me by my dear friend Gunnar Keel, son of legendary international singer & Actor Howard Keel.

When I first meet Linda, I was still married and went under the name of BiBi Rude (French accent on the e …like Rose wine has). Since my divorce, I now go with the family name of DeAngelo. I appeared in Linda’s national TV commercial at the request of Linda and Crystal Bush (Philip was also in attendance). This TV commercial was to launch the phone-in venture for Relationship Signs. However, the phone in venture quit, and the book Linda Goodman’s Relationship Signs was published and released.

My first meeting with Linda was at the Roosevelt Hotel, where she stayed when she was in Los Angeles. She was staying in Suite’s 12-21 & 12-17 (Hollywood, CA) where she had her desk in one room (along with the famous President Lincoln litho -1848-50) and her 2nd Suite with bath, along with her cat that spent most of the day in my lap. What a sweetheart of an animal! As some of you might know Linda was trying very hard to get Hazelwood published, as well as, put on TV. Hazelwood was the novel Linda had written about her belief that she was a direct descendant from President Lincoln. However, Lincoln had been alleged to have a romantic liaison with an Austrian immigrant woman of Hapsburg royal blood, and that liaison was alleged to have produced two illegitimate daughters. Linda believed she was a descendant of one of the daughters. We had tried to have CNN get interested in putting Linda’s project on TV, however, all contacts didn’t want to besmirch President Lincolns name with these kinds of allegations.

At the time Linda was also working on the Outline of Projected Book Spider Line (which I still have a copy of). Interestingly, every photo taken of Sally had a thin line appear in the photo, therefore, the name spider line. The story was mostly about Sally and Linda’s journey prior to Sally missing, and alleged statements of Sally’s death, and Linda’s non-stop search for Sally. I have a photo of Sally; however, I don’t know how to scan it into your system. Linda always thought Sally looked a lot like Goldie Hawn, I agree. Interestingly, Linda had gone to Arizona on a tip, and while visiting a clinic of some type Linda told me someone had grabbed her arm and took her into a room quickly. The person said that Sally had been there (someone who looked just like Sally’s photo; however, somewhat older). Linda had told me that the government wasn’t happy about the book she was authoring, and that Sally had mentioned something in her last phone call that made Linda wonder about Sally being exposed to Agent Orange. Linda had even told me that she wondered if Sally had been taken to be leverage on Linda to stay quite about certain knowledge she had. After Linda’s return from Arizona she gave me one of Sally’s photos (I still have to this day) and she asked me to have a Radionics specialist see if Sally’s energy was still on the planet. When the expert put Sally’s photo on the machine, Sally’s energy imprint wasn’t on the planet. Interestingly enough Linda told me her daughter Jill had mentioned to her she had a recent dream of Sally. Linda said Jill didn’t talk about Sally much, and therefore Linda put special meaning to Jill’s dream.

Linda had returned to Cripple Creek for Christmas of 1993 -- which she wasn’t looking forward to because Cripple Creek had been a very sleepy town prior to the Gambling arriving. Linda use to say how they only had a couple of Law enforcement people prior to the Gambling, and now they had a SWAT team. Her address was: 137 Hayden Place, Cripple Creek, CO 80813. Linda had told me she moved to Cripple Creek in 1973 after authorities said Sally had committed suicide (which of course wasn’t in Sally’s transits!). That Christmas of 1993 Linda underwent surgery with the removal of her large toe and several parts on her foot. As anyone who spent time with her knew… the first thing she did upon getting back to her room or home was to take her shoes off. I loved that about her, because I do the same thing. After not having Linda return my calls that Christmas, I called Philip and her other business partner Jim McCilian, and they both informed me that Linda had received and indulged in too many holiday chocolates and sweets. Linda was almost addicted to sweets, as she was to coffee and cigarettes, and had been taken into the hospital with a sugar count of around 400. The very next Christmas (1994) the doctors amputated up to her knee. Linda had given out my name and phone number to some of her high profile clients and told them I’d take care of them, because she was felling too sick to guide them at the time. She did this without calling me – as an Aires might do. However, I was deeply honored and happy to assist my friend at her time of need… praying that the assistance would only be temporary. Linda gifted me with beautiful crystals that Christmas, that’s the kind of generous person she was. For the person who goes by Thorshammer on this site… I said Linda was my girlfriend… because that is what she called me – her exact words -- and I called her. I don’t know why that would strike anyone as odd. When Linda cared for people she cared deeply – her Venus in Aries. I am not embarrassed to say that I am still moved to tears almost every time I discuss her with people, because the loss of her earlier than it needed to be, is still a deep loss in my heart. God gives you family members, and life gives you friends who are like family. I had never met anyone who enjoyed the Science of Astrology more than my friend Linda, except maybe Sydney Omarr. We shared a passion for astrology that I haven’t shared with anyone since her death. For us to spend 10 and 12 hours a day together pouring over charts, writing letters on behalf of the Hazelwood project, and going over the final manuscript for Relationship Signs was pretty normal for the two of us. In fact, we called it PLAY. It was never WORK! I will cherish my memories of those days for the rest of my life. The next June (Father’s day) we were doing the TV shoot for Linda’s national TV commercial for a dating relationship call-in service. During the TV shoot I heard the voice that guides me tell me to inform Crystal that we should do the commercial as a commemorative shoot, because Linda would not be with us by the time of the commercials release. I went home and did one of the most difficult things I’ve ever done… I ran Linda’s chart (which she herself had given me – which Philip said she never did) and sure enough weeks prior to the TV commercials launch date, Linda had an opportunity to leave. Linda chose to transition October 21, 1995. I had a vision in my sleep of Linda holding Sally’s hand at the foot of my bed upon waking the next morning on October 22nd. Philip di Franco called me the morning of the 22nd, and told me Linda had transitioned the night before. The TV commercial aired a few weeks latter, just like spirit guidance had instructed.

For those who had posted a desire to know Linda’s chart – I feel guided to share you the information Linda provided to me herself (since this forum has a special love for Linda): April 9, 1925, at 6:15 AM EST, Parkersburg, WVA. Linda had an Aries rising at 22 degree’s 58. Her Sun, Venus and Uranus were all in her the 12th house. We thought it interesting that my Sun, Venus and Node were all in my 12th house. Thus, all my years of working in the government in Washington, D.C.; as well as, working behind the scenes in Hollywood for years. Linda’s birth name: Mary Alice Kemery.

I still advise and counsel the clients that Linda asked me take care of upon her time in need. Since I had the MASTER of astrology to ask questions, I asked her very specific questions that I thought might be possible to do a niche need for entertainment professionals. Linda confirmed my hypnosis, and so I started to run off 800 TV stars, almost 1,000 film stars, Directors, etc. After casting these many charts and researching the results I felt confident enough to embark on guiding the entertainment industry. My clients in the entertainment industry have benefited greatly, and I have enjoyed viewing their success upon the guidance that the Science of Astrology provides. It doesn’t brother me that I’m one of Hollywood’s Best Kept Secrets… because what I deem important is that souls are assisted to their highest good, and the highest good for the planet.

Linda told me to go more public when I experienced my Uranus transits’, and I remembered her words, and have gone more public this year of 2007 – or none of you would have seen my website, nor heard of my name.

The last time Linda gave me a bear hug, in her bear feet, we talked about her transits/cycles for the upcoming Christmas. I reminded her to be careful throughout the holidays. Linda knew she had difficult and challenging transits ahead, how could she not! However, all of us here in Los Angeles, believed her to have been in “Diabetic denial.” Linda’s eating patterns of sweets all day, endless coffee, and cigarettes she put on her purple plates, might have assisted her transition to the other side. However, anyone who knew Linda would know the incredible joy Linda’s soul must have felt to finally be with Sally!

I hope this posting allows you all to know in your hearts that I loved Linda… still love and cherish her memory… and that I feel so lucky to have known her, and called her my friend, and to have had her call me her friend! My life was very much enriched by this dynamo & sometimes fiery petite woman. I thank Gunnar and Philip for bringing her into my life!

In closing, I want to share with Jill if she is reading this. Anno Stearn, who was Ed Hall’s wife, wanted me to tell you hello if we ever got the opportunity to communicate to each other. Anno and I talked to each other on the phone, and finally meet at her home for a breakfast. What a morning! Anno filled me in on your mom and her life up to the point she was with your mother. I filled Anno in on the parts of your mother’s life after she stopped working with your mom. While we were sharing life stories, all of Anno’s kitchen utensils came crashing down! We both looked at each other and laughed… we both felt your mom was there, and made her grand entrance known.

Kathleen McGowan should you want to contact me… my phone number is 310-532-9622. Be happy to speak with you regarding Linda or other interesting topics.

If anyone else has positive things to say, please reply… I”ll try to pop in here in another week or two, and read the enlightened or positive sharing from others who admired and loved Linda!

That was the first post. Check the date. This is the second post:

BiBi DeAngelo
Knowflake
Posts: 601
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2007
posted October 30, 2007 07:41 PM
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Ever since “yourfriendinspirit” posted the thread “Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo” and then latter posted this:

Here at THIS very site!
The very last post on this page
A little thing inserted in the midst of it all:
" (Bibi, if you're out there, please contact me!) "
This response post is made by Kathleen McGowan herself. [ram queen]
-of all the people in all the world to have made reference...
Could this be the very same BiBi????
Kathleen McGowan dedication in her book:
“I owe a debt to the illustrious ram queen, Linda Goodman, the late astrologer and author who first whispered this secret into my ear long before I was ready to comprehend it. She altered the course of my life with that piece of information and by leaving me her Emerald Tablet translations (Bibi, if you’re out there, please contact me!)……
I’ve been asked how Kathleen McGowan, and I got to know each other. (And Yes, I was the Bibi mentioned above).

Are you all ready… this is a journey down memory lane…

About 2 or 3 years prior to Linda Goodman’s death, I meet and got to know Stacy Metliss, and English woman, who worked for one of the largest Talent Agency’s in Hollywood – William Morris. Stacy was at the Roosevelt Hotel Lounge one night with me, Philip di Franco & Linda Goodman, and after the show was over Stacy and I got to talking. Latter, Stacy called me, and asked me to lunch; because she had someone she wanted me to meet. That someone was Kathleen Harkey (Kathleen was using her maiden name at that time – her last name now -- McGowan).

Kathleen had been working with the Disney group at that time… and a Disney VP had approached me to be part of a new TV show they were trying to Produce. Disney wanted me to be the astrologer, James Van Prague to be the medium/psychic, and they were obtaining a well know psychic and numerologist to fill out the casting. The TV show was to take every day events and have the four of us predict outcomes... provide insight into the current event, etc. Unfortunately, the to-be Producers of this upcoming TV show got into such creative differences, legal papers started to fly around, that the show didn’t see the light of day. Kathleen and I knew many of the same high level executives at Disney, so we had a lot to talk about. We all met for a longggggg lunch, and then went back to William Morris, to Xerox some things I had to give to Kathleen – items Linda Goodman had given me to share.

Furthermore, Kathleen had been contacted to write what we call in the entertainment industry --- a treatment (which is a brief script that precedes the movie script). The script was for “Spiderline” (read my entry “BiBi DeAngelo shares Photo of Sally – Linda Goodman’s Daughter”). This treatment was going to be pitched (presented) to Director, Oliver Stone, through Stacey and the William Morris Agency.

Then, just like in the movie “The Matrix” when Morphisis went to see the Oracle
and it changed his life; Kathleen had her destiny changed when she met with Linda. Linda suggested Kathleen change her name, and told her to the Mary Magdalene story would change her life. Therefore, Kathleen went to the name of Kathleen McGowan and started working on the story of Mary Magdalene and as they say the rest is history!

I haven't really bothered to go through these posts thoroughly but I am sure if we do we will find that Bibi has contradicted what she states here in these posts numerous times since she posted these posts in the beginning.

I only say that because so far that has been the case where she switches stories as soon as she is questioned.

Hiya moonflower, juniperb!

Thanks for posting that further bit about Bibi posting at LL.
Very interesting, indeed...

After I finished chuckling to myself, the only thing I could think of was:

"Hollywood's Best Kept Secret," my ass!

("Hey, everyone, look at me! I'm so special! I've been guiding everyone in the entertainment field for years now! I'm Hollywood's best-kept secret! I'm so freakin' fantastic!")



<yawn>

anessene

This is an interesting Lindaland timeline of how & when BiBi joined and posted there.

The question that was asked by:

yourfriendinspirit
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From: California, USA
Registered: Oct 2006
posted October 11, 2007 06:41 AM
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Anyone heard of BiBi DeAngelo?


BiBi replys:

BiBi DeAngelo
Knowflake
Posts: 603
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2007
posted October 18, 2007 05:56 AM




Then on here she says:

BiBi
Journeyman


Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 87
Loc: Los Angeles





BiBi, you were already at lindaland months before you posted there ... why the fabrication

juniperb

My post that I posted at LL Feb.25th 2008

This post was deleted along with the whole thread, due to Silverstone & Bi Bi request, wonder why, may-BE to many truths here.


My Post over in Linda's life Thread Feb.25th 2008




WELL BiBi DeAngelo, me and a few other's did a little investigation work on you and it all turns up to be nothing more then someone being just trying make a living off of someones else's SHIRT TAIL and making " ACCLAIM ON ANOTHER'S FAME, " LINDA'S GOODMAN'S "!!!!

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Casting & Entertainment Consultant since 1991. I advise Producers, Directors, Casting Directors, Agents and/or Managers to Stars, Actors & Actresses to enhance casting of projects, and assist their careers by making better choices, know their timing in life for $$, success, awards & fame. What projects to attach them self to and what projects to stay away from. Observing my clients win their Oscars, Emmy, Golden Globe, Grammy, and SAG Awards have been some of my most cherished moments in my career! Yes, I appeared in my late girlfriend & colleague Linda Goodman's national TV commercial (author of "Love Signs" & "Sun Signs". Carrying on Linda's work since 1991 by using astrology to enhance casting projects & assisting all professionals in the Entertainment Industry has been my privilege!


Question by Solane Star:

BiBi De Angelo who are some of these Clients you claim to have win awards and fame, because of your Casting Entertainment Consultant expertise???? The Clients that you say, you Observed Win these Oscars, Emmy, Golden Globe, Grammy, and SAG Awards, which ones did you say you helped?????

Please do Provide Us with a List here please. Clarify a few things for Us. Feel Free!!!


Posts by admin:


BiBi begins all of her sites on the internet, by exploiting Linda Goodman's name to sell herself and her services. All of them have that saying " Yes, I appeared in my girlfriend Linda Goodman's National TV commercial- Click on "About." But when you click on about nothing is there. No commercial. No proof of this statement. Also the site here is just a movie fan site. Anyone, for free, can post a bio of themselves. This dislclaimer is at the bottom of the site page: "IMDb is not responsible for the accuracy or completeness of the contents of this page, which have been supplied by a third party and have not been screened or verified."
Now true movie professionals who actually are in the business use this site but it can only be accessed by members of the guilde and you have to pay to be a member there. So those sites are not what she uses but the free area that are really only movie fan areas is what she uses instead. I could go put in a phoney bio of myself there and so could anyone.


BiBiDeAngelo.com

Yes, I appeared in my girlfriend Linda Goodman’s National TV commercial– Click on “About”
http://bibideangelo.com/?page_id=13

http://former.imdb.com/name/nm2566539/resume

Disclaimer for validity of information on her resume at bottom of page

IMDb is not responsible for the accuracy or completeness of the contents of this page, which have been supplied by a third party and have not been screened or verified.


She even makes these bios for her daughter
http://italy.imdb.com/name/nm2614507/bio


check out her link at the bottom on this page
http://bibideangelo.com/


BiBi De Angelo, You also said that Mirandee MISQUOTED YOU ON YOUR PRICE AT CE, MAYBE YOUR THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO YOUR OWN WEBSITE AND GET YOUR OWN FACTS STRAIGHT!!! LOL!!!!

I see that Mirandee was right about saying that you do charge $150.00 dollars for a 3hr session, weither it was 1hr or three you still do charge 150.00 for a session, right???? She wasn't referring to your $80.00 dollar Phone Consultations.

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $150.00
during week

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $200.00
on the weekend

QUOTE BIBI:
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OH BY THE WAY MOONFLOWER… YOU QUOTED I CHARGE $150 FOR AN HOUR SESSION… DEAR ONE.. YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO MY WEBSITE AND SEE THAT I CHARGE $150 FOR A 3 HOUR… I’LL REPEAT THAT.. 3 HOUR HYPNOTHERAPY SESSION…I ACTUALLY ONLY CHARGE $80 AN HOUR… I’M NOT ADVERTISING HERE… I’M CLEARING UP WHAT YOU MISQUOTED TO THE MEMBERS AT CE AND ISN’T IT INTERESTING THAT YOU FELT COMPELLED TO POST SOMETHING ABOUT MY PRICES AT THAT…..

AS FOR YOUR OUT LANDISH STATEMENTS THAT YOU DON’T THINK I KNEW LINDA.. AND YOUR DOUBTING THOMAS STATEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD ONLY BELIEVE IT IF I SHOWED A PHOTO OF LINDA AND I TOGETHER… THAT’S AN INCREDIBLE SET OF STATEMENTS.

I AND EVERYONE IN THE INNER CYCLE AND THAT DOESN’T INCLUDE MS. EVELYN… THAT’ INCLUDES LINDA’S SON MICHAEL… LINDA’S MANAGER… PHILIP DE FRANCO AND ETC. ALL KNOW ME… MY FACE WAS IN THE NATIONAL TV COMMERCIAL… SO I DON’T HAVE TO BRING MY PRIVATE PHOTO’S OF LINDA AND MYSELF TO THIS SITE OR TO CE FOR ANY DOUBTING THOMAS
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You can all Check out her payments on this page. Who be telling the truth here really, Mirandee or BiBi?
http://bibideangelo.com/?page_id=21


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May 2nd, 2007 by BiBi DeAngelo

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1. Provide the complete spelling of your name — the gift certificate will reflect that you have purchased a session (then select the time length of session with or without a tape — see purchase buttons below).

2. Provide the complete name and address of the recipient; Or, should you desire to receive the gift certificate to hand deliver or include in a gift or gift basket please provide your complete mailing address.

3. A beautiful personalized gift certificate for a birthday, anniversary, graduation, promotion, birth of a child, wedding gift, or a special holiday (or any occassion of your choice) will be mailed on your behalf to the recipient of your choice.

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If you choose the Pay Pal page you’ll see the name of BiBi Rude appearing at the top, no worries, your payment will go into an account that is managed for BiBi DeAngelo!

For all my clients living in foreign countries, the use of Pay Pal or credit cards is converted into dollars automatically!

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45 Minute Phone Consultation: $60.00

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90 Minute Phone Consultation: $110.00

90 Minute Phone Consultation: $116.00
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Overtime Consultation Fee/Weekend Extra Fee: $20.00

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $150.00
during week

Hypnotherapy Consultation: $200.00
on the weekend

BiBi De Angelo you really do look like a CON-ARTIST to me!!!!

ACCLAIM TO SOMEONE ELSE'S FAME!!!

I see that you even " USED LINDA GOODMAN'S BOOK COVERS " on your website to PROMOTE YOUR OWN CLAIM and FAME!!! Looks as though these pics of LINDA'S BOOKS are the only PROOF that you have provided for US, besides LINDA'BIRTH TIME, which CE already had PROVIDED in their Achives, all the same material's, just minus the Birth Time, like I said. Actually I found CE to have provided alot more information and alot more pics then your One Claim on Linda's Daughter Photo. Which alot of other's have already seen before, nothing New BiBi.

So on this note BiBi, I really don't think you provided anyone with anything different, except an OPENING and OUTLET FOR YOUR OWN GAIN AND ACCLAIM to SOMEONE ELSE'S FAME!!!

STARTING TO SMELL A LITTLE FISHY AROUND HERE, I'D SAY!!!!

Just My Opinion from want I've seen and heard!!!!






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there were a few posts made on that same day, December Twelfth. When I put the time to distinguish it from the other posts,and typed it in,instead of cut/paste, I couldnt think if it was A.M or P.M. and joked about it probably because the thing is, I had the same thoht as Moonflower and figured if Bibi would have to drag out her box of information to go searching again just to clarify that bit, ye gads perhaps I'd found it a given Time saver, the question could be addressed and answered with a bit more detail and elaboration of the facts of the matter...
ok I get it about the states, U.S a lot bigger than OZ. anyway I did find that odd enough to stick my two cents worth in over it...

I knew that was your reason, Daisy

I have some more things to share here which pose new questions to me.

Whenever I follow up on sites and info that Bibi has posted on her bio at different sites I ALWAYS reach a dead end.

The odd thing about Bibi's sites is that they are all recent ones. They are promotional sites that were established in 2007 & 2008. If Bibi was a production consultant in Hollywood since the 1990's why did she wait so long to promote herself and her work on the internet? I haven't been able to find any earlier promotion sites with bios or creditials than these two years. You would think that she would have sites established much older than these if she was promoting her astrology consultations to those in the Hollywood film industry. The fact that the info sites on Bibi De Angelo are all free sites and all established so recently makes it appear to me that someone was putting those sites up on the net just to establish an identity. Coincidentially, those sites were created in March, 2007, just two months before Bibi became a member of LL and CE. The reason that I think this regarding the creation of an identity is because every time you follow up in searches regarding the information on her sites you come to a dead end. For instance, I could find no A Star Production outside of Bibi's own site with that title. If that is her production company, why is it not listed on the internet? Most production companies are listed because that is how they drum up business. So I guess Bibi is saying she is the CEO of her own site page. Which I guess makes me CEO of my My Space page. LOL

Another dead end. I could not find any evidence to support the commercial she mentions she was in about Linda Goodman. And I cannot find any connection with Larry King and that commercial or even an interview he might have done with Linda Goodman. Although it would be nice if there were an interview. Larry King was working at CNN since 1985 interviewing famous people on his show. Being in a commerical about Linda Goodman in 1995 is not something Larry King would have to do to make money. And there is no connection to him and Linda Goodman that I have as of yet that would indicate he did the commercial because he knew Linda personally. When I Googled in Larry King and his connection with Linda Goodman, guess what came up? You Got it! Bibi De Angelo's bios and her posts at both CE and LL saying he was in this commericial. That is the only connection I found with Linda Goodman and Larry King.

Another odd thing about Bibi's sites, when you click on the hyper link regarding her commercial with Larry King and Jeff Spears, and there are two of those, each time she mentions the commericial on her site page, you cannot find Bibi De Angelo on the list of those who appeared in commercials. Made me wonder why she put those commericial hyperlinks on her page when she is not listed as being in a commericial about Linda Goodman. The link takes you to an alphbetical list and above you see where the names beginning with De ( as De Niro ) start and where they end. No Bibi on the list, no commerical about Linda Goodman listed either.

Although most of her other works listed on the Zoom info page are listed as "behind the scenes" the ones she does cite I have not been able to come up with anything to support their authenticity. I am still searching.

The info regarding this post is to follow:

Bibi's page at Zoom info ( Again No Picture )

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=-474037



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Chief Executive Officer
A Stars Production
Los Angeles, CA
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Biography
BiBi DeAngelo was born on June 25th, and was raised in the Washington, D.C. area. BiBi died (and came back to life) at age 5 in an accident; being impaled by an object that left a 5 inch scar on her chest. Throughout elementary school BiBi loved ...
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to perform in school plays (often memorizing everyone’s lines). From third grade to graduating High School she was a “sports jock”, lettering in many sports – especially Track & Field. BiBi moved to Europe with her first husband, and she gave birth to her only child, daughter Rachel, in Istanbul, Turkey, in 1987.

Upon returning to America, December 1990, she settled in the Los Angeles area in California. Shortly after moving to Los Angeles, a moment of “fate & destiny” occurred when her friend Gunnar Keel (son of legendary singer and actor Howard Keel) introduced her to internationally known Astrologer, Linda Goodman’s longtime business associate Philip di Franco. Linda was best known for her books “Sun Signs” & “Love Signs”. It was Philip di Franco who introduced BiBi to Linda Goodman. In 1995, on Fathers Day, BiBi appeared in her girlfriend, Linda Goodman's national TV commercial - with Larry King and Jeff Stearn. Linda Goodman had already started to refer her clients to BiBi, because Linda was suffering from complications of diabetes, which ultimately took her life after the doctors amputated her leg to her knee. When BiBi was getting her make-up applied to appear in Linda's TV commercial, she had a premonition of Linda’s death. In fact, BiBi informed the Producers that they should get all testimonials in a commemorative format, because her intuition had told her that the commercial would be "commemorative" by the time it aired on TV. Linda Goodman did, in fact, pass away only a few weeks prior to the airing of this national commercial, to the sadness of all who knew her.

Since Linda Goodman’s death on October 21, 1995, BiBi has felt it an honor to carry on Linda's legacy, by assisting clients both in and outside the entertainment industry. BiBi has been assisting and guiding entertainment Professionals from every faucet of the entertainment business. She has observed her clients win their Oscar, Emmy, Golden Globe, Grammy, and SAG Awards -- which she has said were some of her most cherished moments in her career – during a Cable TV interview in Los Angeles.

September 2006 BiB’s daughter Rachel started to attend UCI; at which time BiBi started writing both a book and screenplay, under a development deal with her Production Company, A Stars Production. In the Spring of 2007, BiBi was accepted into the entertainment organization “Women In Film.” BiBi also joined several spiritual cinema groups within the Los Angeles & Beverly Hills area; because BiBi’s deepest interest is to bring more spiritually based films & TV to the planet.

Notice here below that even Zoom info cannot find any web references for Bibi De Angelo. Except probably those she created herself which is all I can find as well. That is not the web references that Zoom Info looks for.

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Outside or her own Bio page titled A Stars Production, there is no A Stars Production Company listed on the internet. There are many production companies that have Star in their title but no, A Stars Production.
Employment History

Chief Executive Officer
A Stars Production

Los Angeles, CA
USA



Board Membership and Affiliations

Member
Institute of Spiritual Cinema - LA

Los Angeles, CA
USA


Member
Women In Film

Los Angeles, CA
USA


Chamber for Enlightened Entertainment
LACEE
Headquarters Address:

Website: http://www.lacee.org




Education
Mastering of Astrology, Astrology
Astrology

The only A Stars Production that I found on a Google search is this one, Bibi's own page:
http://bibideangelo.com/


Another dead end: The cable tv show she says she appeared on in 1996 in Los Angeles, " Living Your Dreams" is not on the list of the LA cable shows guide in 1996. Should have been since there were far fewer cable shows in LA in 1996 than there are now.

These are the listing for cable TV shows in LA in 2006: Note that one says 2007 so I image that was 2006/2007 show airings.

2006: The Year in News 2006
2006 ALMA Awards 2006
2006 MTV Movie Awards 2006
2006 MTV Europe Music Awards 2006
Crufts Dog 2006 2006
Pennsylvania Issues 2006 2006
Bicycle Motocross*: *2006: Mat Hoffman CFB 2008
Mardi Gras 2006: Let the Good Times Roll 2006
Fashion Cares 2006: A 20th Anniversary Retrospective 2006
Oscar Countdown 2006 2006
Oscar Countdown 2006 2006
Genesis Awards 2006 2006
Teen Choice 2006 2006
Comic Relief 2006 2006
Dancestar USA 2006 2006
Newport Jazz Festival 2006 2006
Miss Teen USA 2006 2006 Available
NFL Opening Kickoff 2006 2006
CMA Red Carpet 2006 2006
Sexiest Videos of 2006 2006
White House Christmas 2006 2006
Eukanuba Tournament of Champions 2006 2006
MTV Video Music Awards 2006 2006
Los Premios MTV Latinoamérica 2006 2006
College Basketball Skills Competition*: *2006: slam-dunk and 3-point contests 2007
Countdown to the Red Carpet: 2006 Academy Awards 2006
Live from the Red Carpet: 2006 Academy Awards 2006
Ties That Bind: Town Hall 2006 2007
Live from the Red Carpet: The 2006 Grammy Awards 2006
Countdown to the Red Carpet: The 2006 SAG Awards 2006
Joan & Melissa: Live at the Emmy Awards 2006 2006 Available


Bibi is on the list as a member of Chamber for Enlightened Entertainment as she states on her resume, however she just recently became a member of that organization as you can see here: http://la.chamberofee.com/


Welcome New Members

Vanda Mikoloski

Gerry Katzman

Ellany T. Avelin

Erik Passoja

BiBi DeAngelo

Also I noted that at this time The Chamber for Enlightened Entertainment is offfering Free membership:



LACEE is accepting members FREE of charge for a period of time.



Like her bios and websites themselves all things that you check on those resumes and bios regarding her memberships are all within 2007 and 2008. This causes me to think as I stated, it is due to someone who is creating an identity for themselves. Her websites were established in March, 2007, 3 months before she joined Lindaland and came to CE. It is also an identity creation that was not very well done if people actually do follow up on and check out the things she states in her bio and resume. Because you always come to a dead end. Even the hyper links that lead to the commericals is a dead end because Bibi De Angelo and the commericial about Linda Goodman are not listed on that link. At Zoom info it clearly states that they found no web references for Bibi De Angelo's A Stars Production and CEO status.

I am still checking the other memberships she claims to have and still following some leads. Will post what I find or in this case probably what I find to be another dead end or recent membership or site.

PART ONE OF RESPONSE

I take moments like this as opportunities to stay in my higher self, and not be triggered by an endless exchange of negativity.

First, I would like to address Magical Stone who brought my postings to this CE site from the Linda-Goodman.com site. Magical Stone, please don’t have second thoughts about posting all the information on this site. I know in your heart you were doing it in the spirit of sharing information on Linda’s life. If you look at the number of souls that have clicked on the thread you started here, over 1,000 souls have enjoyed your sharing of this information.

Second to all the souls that clicked on Magical Stone’s thread, please don’t let the few intense postings on this thread misguide you. The information that Magical Stone brought here to share is real, and just because a hand full of souls choose to post negativity on the thread he started, shouldn’t tarnish the sharing of information that Magical Stone was excited to share.

Having said all this, let’s start overcoming all the falsehood being shared within this thread by stating the truth.

Moonflower----
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So here is some concrete proof. All the readers can visit the “You Tube” interview with Philip di Franco, which was just posted today on “You Tube.” Philip was shocked when I read some of the postings, and offered to be interviewed regarding: (1) his long time working relationship and friendship with Linda Goodman, (2) his introducing me to Linda Goodman and our relationship, (3) his being present at the filming of the national infomercial for Linda’s Relationship Program, (4) his not obtaining a copy of the infomercial from Crystal as she had promised both Philip and myself, (5) his statement confirming it was him that introduced Crystal to Linda Goodman, even though Crystal wasn’t kind enough to put that information in print, and (6) his knowledge on how impossible it is to list the names of entertainment celebrities that are open minded enough to allow the Science of Astrology to assist in their private lives and professional guidance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO166CW4vrw


Should this url not work for you… just go to “You Tube” type in the name Philip di Franco, in the search bar, and the interview should appear for you easily. We have been working on editing this interview for 3 weeks and just got it completed. Hope you enjoy having a brief visit with Philip, who was so very instrumental in getting several of Linda’s books printed, starting with “Love Signs”. Philip also spear headed the computer software program that superseded the last book on Relationships. Philip was with Linda up until the timing of her passing. He, as well as I, is hoping that this provides enough documentation for all those skeptical minds. Oh by the way, why so many of you are so skeptical about my not posting my photo prior to this… my photo does appear at the end of this “You Tube” interview. I have kept my photo off of sites, because I enjoy my privacy! However, I’ve received multiply phone calls urging me to share it… so I am sharing. Why that has been an issue for so many of you, I really can’t understand. Interestingly enough, I can’t find a photo of Maria up on her website? Since you all make such an issue of my photo not being up, it’s a little odd not to find Maria’s. Come on Maria share you photo too.

In closing this first part, I would also remind you Moonflower to visit the LL site where Michael Goodman has been posting answers to questions. I know you know about this Moonflower because you personally posted a question on this thread on March 4th.. Thread name: MICHAEL GOODMAN HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. Michael was kind enough to confirm that I was in the infomercial:



END OF PART ONE – PLEASE PROCEED TO NEXT POSTINGS FOR PART TWO