I just wondered, according to your opinions, whether my chart indicates (the placement of Venus) that I will probably be alone in this life, when it comes to finding a partner I would stay with. I had this karmic astrology reading recently, and it seemed to suggest that I probably wouldn't get married as such.

Here's my chart, and the DOB I erased from it is 25/05/80, 11.35pm, Bristol, UK.

Hi Listens,

I'm looking at your chart and I definitely don't see a person destined to be alone. Your Venus is retrograde, which could slow down the course of your love life some, but it isn't afflicted with any challenging aspects so there shouldn't be any problem with you eventually finding a partner with whom you can live happily ever after. With Jupiter sextile your Venus from the 8th house of intimacy, I would say that when the time is right, you will be blessed in finding the partner that is right for you - the one who will be the keeper. Your North Node is in the 7th house of one-to-one relationships, so I would say that a committed relationship is definitely the goal for you in this life. When and how long it takes for you to get there is up to you.

Your South Node in the 1st house suggests that in past lives, you've tended to focus more on yourself than on others, and with the Sun & Mercury in Gemini & in your 5th house of romance, you probably have a tendency to keep things light and low key when it comes to love - so desiring a commitment is going to be a journey for you. You have a very large 7th house, so when planets stop by for a visit, they stay longer than normal, which gives you the chance to focus more deeply on this area of your life.

Saturn the planet of karmic tests and limitations was just there recently so I'm sure you've been through quite a bit in that area of your life in the last 4 years. And you still have some transits to your Venus yet to come that will give you even more chances to work on your love life. This coming May & June you will have Saturn sextiling your Venus from the 8th house and you will have Pluto opposing your Venus next year which I'm sure will give you plenty of opportunities to grow and evolve toward achieving commitment and intimacy.

As I hinted at earlier, your Venus is retrograde which shows that you tend to internalize love, meaning that you probably have some difficulty expressing your love to others. But I would say that by the time your Venus turns direct in the progressions, somewhere in the next 14 years or so, you will have a much better grip on expressing your love and will be in a much better position at that time to stay with just one person. I'm sure your experiences during your 20's and 30's will lead you right into the arms of the one you will want to be with forever.

Hope this helped. Best of luck to you Listens.



Tracey

Thank you, Tracy!

Listen,

Tracey has some very good thoughts - and I have some which I will post on Sunday...

Listen,

I agree with Tracey that you are not "destined" to be alone in this lifetime. One thing though - via progression Venus is still retrograde and is at 20 Gemini conjunct your natal Mercury which can help you "find" your love. I am very big on Venus retro being a symbol of the person having abused the principle of love in a prior lifetime (probably the one before this), abd right bow the progresed Venus is squaring natal Saturn which can lead to frustration and other "limits" - and how it has shown up in your life so far is by not being with someone - yet. With Saturn now transiting your 8th house and sextiling your Venus, the message of consciousness (and limits) is doubly reinforced, and the conjunctions to now Mars and when it turns direct to Jupiter has a whole lot to do with sexuality and death as well.

I will have to look up and get back to you on when Venus goes direct via progression - but my intuition says fairly soon - and that also you probably will not be with someone until you have your Saturn return in 2010.


I looked some things up - Venus had gone retrograde on May 24that 20:10, and will not turn direct until you are 42 or so. So, that means one, the "abuse" is "heavy", and yet at the same time that the power of Venus is at its peak in your chart - so it is important to you to express it. Right now, your progressed Sun is about to exactly conjunct your natal Venus, and will go into your 7th house in about 5 years...

Any questions, please ask.

You are very welcome, Listens.


Tracey

Thanks Dave.

It's very confusing- the situation I'm in at the moment. My two boys are living with their father now. I live in a separate house. I don't feel I can relate to him anymore about anything since I have been finding myself. And yet there is still a mutual sort of love there, a mutual attraction. I feel so confused. I want more than anything to just be with someone who I can talk to and have a relatively normal life; some companionship.
But I put all my eggs in one basket with him- and now I'm completely alone. I don't even have any friends as I've become somewhat agoraphobic as of late.
I'd love to get a job, but I don't have any experience or qualifications and the sort of thing I'd like to do (something creative or spiritual) just doesn't have any opportunities. I would drown in the wrong kind of situation, because of the way I am, my inner spirit, etc.

As for the Venus retrograde thing- I do think there is something in in, but not necessarily abuse.
I know there are lessons I have been learning, such as how to find my own individuality, inner voice and soul, rather than just be codependent or have my soul's voice quited down by other people.

I feel in my heart that so far, this is the reason for why I have not found a "twin soul" as such....yet.

I just feel so confused right now, because of the feelings I have for my ex and whether or not I should still see him once in a while as an antidote to the terrible loneliness which has been literally making me feel ill......I just feel so unsure of everything.

I'm trying very hard to distinguish between what is "right" and what isn't.

I suffer from depression and have recently had to pull myself out of an incredibly low point of feeling suicidal.

I am just going to have to keep meditating to try and seek the answers within.

Life might be tough, but at the same time, there are many sources of information I am finding which are incredibly inspiring and help me to understand why things are the way they are. I just watched this fascinating Project Camelot interview with Bob Dean, for example- amazing. Very moving too.


Love & Light.

Listen,

I have been there before - a relationship that I was in basically "died" because we started to grow in very different directions, and we parted. Yet the love that was there will always be, but that we have a tendency to "hang on" even when it is no longer viable.

I am ure that over the next two years that you will be able to find your self and really start to fly so to speak - and yet right now is not a "pleasant" time for you. Hang in there!

As far as the "abuse', it does not necessarily mean abuse - but that in a prior lifetime you chose not to love someone that you wanted to and it has come over into this one.

As for "looking" for love, don't - Gibran is so right - "think not that you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy , directs your course".

Thanks!

Hey Em, or rather, listens to trees, now,

it's just me once more. I remember having talked with you 'bout the very tight Pluto-Moon conjunction in Libra which we both share in our natals. Seems we share yet another thing: an inclination to depression. It's been three years and a half since my last episode, but I still remember how it felt and that for several months I thought I was stuck in a tunnel beneath the Earth I'd never be able to dig myself out of.
Unnecessary to tell you I'm out of it today - were I not, I probably wouldn't be typing this.
What helped me in not getting a relapse? For one, my Saturn return. Yeah, really. I know that Saturn is often linked with depression astrologically, but in my case my Saturn return gave me a much clearer understanding of who I am, what I want to do and who I want to be here. (And I had not only my Saturn return, but transiting Pluto on my natal Sun simultaneously, so it was quite a ride with some very unwanted private changes).
And here I come to the second healer and to the reason I chose to change the subject line in my reply to you: Use Pluto! With that close conjunction to the moon, you have a strong one - so USE it! Pluto is about regeneration, the Moon is about feelings, so use your feelings (even those of depression) to regenerate and use the power of Pluto to learn to control your feelings and moods. Let 'em out (depression in my experience - seen with myself AND in others- always has to do sth. with suppressed energy. That Pluto-Moon con can be either your friend or your enemy - depending on how you CHOOSE to handle it. You aren't a victim of circumstances, you just have some decisions to take.
WHO decides what you think and feel? The circumstances or you? Ponder that question, if you like.
It may very well be that you have circumstances in your life you cannot change - at least not rapidly - but I bet you can change the way you look at, feel and think about your situation. Pluto- Moon con. can be used as a tremendous emotional, transformation force. Learn as much about that as you can - for yourself and other. Learn to willingly control and change the way you feel. It IS possible. And then use what you learn FOR yourself, instead of hurting yourself through feelings.
Chin up,
Kitty

I dont think Venus in retrograde necessarily implies a misuse of the love principle in past lives... I think it can imply that there was a very deep love relationship in a past life, maybe the most recent, and that the person still clings to the unconscious memory of the lost love. I think that is probably why VenusRx is so desperately romantic. I think it may suggest that, in this life, you must learn not to prejudge relationships, and possible lovers, just because they do not resemble the love you once had and lost. And, also, not expect that the love will immediately be experienced as powerfully as it was before. Also, it may indicate that love is found in this life with someone who you initially overlooked, or who initially overlooked you. Just some thoughts from a fellow VenusRx-er.

Archaeus,

The Venus Tx does definitely mean abuse of love in prior lives - I have seen way too many "cases" where this has come up...

Hi.

I've come back to this thread again and have read through it again.

Reflecting more on what has been suggested in regards to my chart, I don't think it is true that I have ever struggled with commitment- I have always been the one looking for commitment. I just haven't found the right person yet.

And, further more, what if all these ideas about there being a "right" person, another "half"....what if this is just an illusion? I have always found the idea of it incredible beautiful and romantic.....and maybe, in the great divine plan of things, of the universe...maybe there is one special person for everyone. But how can we know? Was Linda right?
If I could connect with the "higher source"/ God, for just a few minutes, and just be able to ask a few questions...it could be such a comfort.

What if there is no "other half" as such?
What if there are an infinite number of possible magical/ harmonious relationships with others?

Oh, and I was also wondering about this business of me not being with someone until 2010. I'm not sure I quite understand. And what if I decide, at that time I want to be alone? Can we defeat the planets? I could find someone to be with if I wanted, that's not the problem....the real problem is this issue of finding "the One".

Does "the One" even exist?

The thing is, with my Libra Moon I suspect, I am a lot happier if I have someone to share things with in life.

I'm just thinking....if "the One" doesn't even exist as such...except if we chose someone to be "the One"....I'm just thinking.....maybe its time for me to change my philosophy or something?


Peace.

LTT7,

From many spiritual traditions comes the idea that the really deep yearning for the other half of ourselves is really our yearning for God, who made us that way, being that we are made in the image or reflection of God.

Then, because we're also these funny, imperfect but adorable animals that we are, we seek a mate as well. But then we put this big yearning for perfect blissful completion onto our poor, funny, imperfect but adorable partners, and that isn't them.

It's just a thought. But maybe the more a person can allow for the fact that, yes, they have this innate yearning for God and that's a thing unto itself that can be pursued in meditation and prayer and study and action ... and then there's this separate yearning for a mate which ought to be more accepting of the fact that humanity is all too dualistic and human ... perhaps that can lead to a nice level of satisfaction in life, if not the absolute ideal of twin-soul bliss.

Sorry for the run-on sentence.

to you,
Maria

Maria,

Hi Listens,



Those are my sentiments exactly. You definitely sound like you are on a 'North Node in the 7th house' journey with your questions on 'the One'. I hope you find the answers you are seeking.

Loved the run on sentence Maria. You are so wise.

Thank you.

Do I really have to wait until 2010 to be with someone?

Please tell me.

Hi Listens

I don't know if we've posted together on threads in the past, but your header and chart caught my attention... If I may add something as well?

I too share a Moon-Pluto conjunction, (also in my 9th house) and I have Neptune in the 12th as well.

I would imagine that love, for you, must be inherently spiritual, and focussed on a journey, not necessarily the destination. Secret yearnings, longings and the intense need to "figure out" the why's and when's and how's of your love life, I imagine, is probably one of the most compelling parts of your life.

(Sure is for me, anyway! )

Judging by the beautiful picture you've posted, I can see that you've an inquiring soul, continually searching for the one true love, which (I'm guessing) you KNOW is out there for you. At the same time, you know that this love of yours will not come easy. My own personal experience of Neptune in the 12th means digging deep into what we REALLY want; our secret desires, our hidden mysteries (our past lives, past relationships in this lifetime; what we've kept secret from ourselves and those we hold close) and also, what propels our need for a spiritual connection with our loves.

To me, the Moon-Pluto conjunction (mine is in Virgo) says that you are someone who will not ever be satisfied with the mundane, ie., your relationship must have a mystical and transformative quality to it, and there has to be balance. Because your conjunction is in Libra, the need to have an equal partner is right up there with having air to breathe. Yet, because it is in the 9th house, I'm gonna venture out on this topic to say that perhaps (and I think Maria mentioned this as well) that spiritually, there is a partner inside of you; your "inner twin," for lack of words, who needs to be satisfied first.

I know, it's a cliche, but I've found it to be true: find that which you are looking for within, and you will find it without.

And yah, I know, it's frustrating and lonely, but I've a feeling that once we Moon-Pluto conjunction types find the right connection, it's INTENSE, and WELL WORTH THE WAIT!

By the way, (now that I've rambled on enough!) do you keep a journal? I've recently discovered that the values/morals/lifestyles, etc., of the partners I USED to search for have changed drastically over the years. If I had picked someone according to what I was looking for 10 years ago, and married them, I'd have been in big trouble right now!

Hang in there, my friend, and have fun falling in love with yourself.

anessene

P.S. Listening to trees is one of my favourite things.

Thanks anessense!

Everything you have written is quite accurate!

Another problem of mine, however, is that I seem to get easily infatuated whenever someone does come along who ticks the majority of the right boxes. Why do I fall in love so easily?

I know obsession is not the same as true love, although I have an open heart which is able to give genuine love easily also....I just want to find a way to control these emotions and not let them control me.

I've always dreamed of meeting the right person.
All I've ever wanted to do, more than anything in life, is find someone with who I can share love with truly madly deeply and live with happily ever after. Geminis are supposed to be afraid of commitment, etc, etc....but I've always found, on the contrary, it is the people I've met who have always been the free spirited type...perhaps I just feel more drawn towards and fascinated by this type of person?

Yes, you are right, my expectations of my ideal man have most definitely changed over the years, as I have changed and grown.

I have learned that often, it is easy to blinded by love, by our own illusions of how we see a person, than of who they really are.

I wish things weren't so confusing!

I have so much love to give, but I need to share it in a totally monogamous way....why is it so difficult to find someone to share this with? To love truly, madly, deeply?

hiya again Listens!

Man oh man, can I relate to obsessive infatuation!

"Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it!"

I've got a double-edged theory on the "falling for those who tick most of the boxes" experience... Maybe you can relate.

I believe it happens for us "types" because 1) it's partially the need to feel that intense, spiritual love, and 2) we're too damn impatient to wait for it! We're probably more inclined to forgive those who only tick "a few boxes," telling ourselves that in time, they'll develop those traits/qualities that are missing, or that, we have enough of those qualities to make up for it. And perhaps, for a time, we CAN make up for it, because we DO have those qualities inside of us.

(BUT! In a way, these relationships can be good for us, and part of our soul's karmic journey, which is probably where a few people may disagree with me. I believe that we search out those who can reflect to us the qualities we already have, whether we're aware of them or not... the ideal being someone who can mirror back at us what we love the most about ourselves, and further, that those of us who desire to have the one true love KNOW on a soul level that sometimes these obsessive and crazy-ass relationships are necessary for our growth.)

Yikes, am I making sense? I've got lots of Virgo in me, hopefully our Virgo/Gemini squares are seeing past the "Mercurial differences."

So anyway, to continue, those obsessive infatuation relationships, as crazy and as futile as they sometimes seem, can be helpful, if we're aware of why we fall for them. (And are aware enough to know when it's time to move on from them!) Perhaps there's something in them or us that we need to see, a reflection of what we're actually looking for.

Anyway, all of this leads me to wonder if the reason us "obsessive" types, (no offence, I just don't know how else to put it!) search out these relationships is because we KNOW that in order to find that one, all-encompassing love, we must locate the missing parts of our "inner twin" first, and the desire to put it all together leads us to search them out in others.

(And because we're impatient, we do it that much faster! Falling in love at the drop of a hat, crazily convincing ourselves we've found "The One," because - in fact - the person who's NOT "The One," may indeed have something we need for the search!)

So... to sum that up, we search them out because we NEED TO!
(At least, that's my story, and I'm sticking with it!)

But the "double-edged" part comes when we continue to search out those relationships, even when we know it's time to move past them. Part of falling in love with yourself comes from knowing that you are okay on your own: you love your whole self, through and through, (the good, the bad, and the ugly) and trust that when the time is right, it WILL come.

That's the hardest part. (Boy oh boy is that the hardest part!) To see someone and know that while yes, they "tick off a few boxes," that really, they're not the right one for you, and that you can trust this, even if it means staying alone for that much longer.

I do believe, whole-heartedly, that THAT is when it comes to us, plain and simple.

And hey, about that free-spirited quality that you find in others; I'm betting that's a part of what YOU are, despite the need to have a partner in your life. Maybe those "free spirits" are reminding you that you may love yourself just that much more if you gave yourself more time to be "free."

As an example, when I was much younger, in my teens and early twenties, deep down I knew that I did not want children. But I never really understood it, and - according to my family's (namely my mother's) wishes - I continued to search out partners who WANTED children, believing that they held the missing link to my "non-existent" desire for children. YET - in a completely astonishing twist, I'd always end up going out with those who were completely against having kids. And of course, I'd end up foolishly pushing the issue, (still believing I wanted them, unable to admit I didn't) and the relationship would - inevitably - fall apart.

It wasn't until I realized that the reason I kept pulling these "no kids" types to me was because deep down, I truly didn't want them, and they were reflecting this back at me - sometimes harshly - until I realized it for myself.

(That's kind of what I meant when I said before that the traits I look for NOW are vastly different from 10 years ago, if ya know what I mean!)

Phew! Now, all of that said and done... I totally understand the impatience, and the confusion. I talk a lot about this stuff, but part of me believes it is I who needs the convincing sometimes!

But, I'm still a believer. And it sounds like you are, too.

Tara

Thumbsup!

Oneness is this: we are separate, yet inseparable, individual yet interconnected; each and every being made of the same inner essence. When you hurt another, you hurt a part of yourself; when you heal another, you heal a part of yourself.

This is something I just posted elsewhere:

hi Listens!

re "Determine what you will die for, and you will have identified what you should live for."

I like!

Simple and profound at the same time... gets me thinkin'

Tara

Oh P.S. Where did you get that picture you've posted? It's so beautiful, is it online somewhere so I can find a copy, and others like it?

You are welcome to copy it. I just found it when I was looking for dryad pictures on google images.

I'm listening to this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuK1dwP4_24