Hullo.

Since my arrival on the scene is very recent, I thought I'd ask before spouting off with a bunch of ideas for increasing site traffic.

Has this topic come up before, and if so, what were the ideas discussed? Is it something that could be pursued if pursuing it only required a small investment in time?

Just want to help, and this is one area that I know a little bit about.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Love,

daf

Linda Goodman Fans Unite!

Spout away, if you like, daf. It's all good.

I moved the site in October, and I had my choice of two different stats engines I could have turned on, and I just turned on the simplistic one that doesn't use so much of the server's resources as the detailed one that gives you billions and billions of things to look at.

But the simplistic one shows we average 800+ visits per day and 25,000+ visits per month. Those are sitewide totals.

I know that could seem like a surprise if you just judge by the discussion forums, because, obviously, we don't get 800 posts a day. But to me, it's nice to know people are reading Greg's Tai Chi book, or listening to the Linda tape, or reading the Linda profile, or reading stories from the old issues of the newsletter.

In terms of increasing traffic, I think it would be fun to have more people joining in the discussions, that's true. It would be nice to get the newsletter going again too -- the issues we did put out are really truly stellar, imo. But it was a huge volunteer time commitment on everyone's part, and I don't know if anyone's got the time these days!

One thing I have been working on is getting those newsletters into a frame (not a frame like the old frames people used to use on websites, just a visual frame) with the site menu on it, so it's easier for them to see how to get from an article to the site as a whole. If you pull up any issues from 2005 and 2004 now, you'll see that every page of every newsletter has that now, but the ones from 2003 and 2002 still do not.

People still keep signing up on the subscriber list, even though we haven't put together an issue in a long time, so I know there is still interest in it. Another thing I wanted to eventually get around to doing was get the relevant key words from each article into the boilerplate website keywords metatag at the top of each article page, but again, that's just something on a long to-do list that I whittle away at from time to time.

My own situation is that I do freelance writing for local and national periodicals, while also helping with publications, grants and websites for nonprofits and the occasional commercial client, and I'm a mom of two, and I have a @^&#@&*# chronic health challenge that messes with me. So, while I'm the kind of person who's always asking myself, "OK, what do I have to do next?" the answer is usually to work my way through a list as big as Mt. Everest. Grin. I'm sure everybody is just as busy.

But if y'all want more traffic, I'm down wi' dat. Spout away, and whatever bits of it require action from me, I'll try to keep up.

Oh, hey! We haven't had a poll in ages. I think I'll impishly ask...

Everybody VOTE!

Maria

Hello Dafremen….You’re postings on the CE site and on Linda-Goodman.com for the last couple of weeks make my consciousness wonderful “WHAT”S REALLY GOING ON?” Therefore, I’m taking valuable time to ask questions that only you can answer… so here it goes.

FIRST STAGE OF EVENTS:
On February 8, 2008 you post on the CE site (and I’ve added it to my post below – REFERENCE ONE)… asking if you can give a bunch of ideas for increasing site traffic here at CE…. Then, Maria follows with her posting (also found below REFERENCE TWO) an answer on February 18,2008.

SECOND STAGE OF EVENTS:
You post on Linda-Goodman.com site the following (I add these here, because Veneo and others from CE have been kind enough to educate me on my initial posting on CE that many CE members don’t go over to the Linda-Goodman.com site, and thus the information will allow them to understand why I’m asking the questions I am):
On February 18, 2008 REFERNECE THREE Quote: The Original Linda Goodman Forums (which of course is the CE site) on the web are dying. And that's a shame..a horrible shame. A tragedy.
Randall came from that site. JwHop. Juniperb is on that site. fayte.m LiaLei ListensToTrees, Bibi...who else among us is on that site or came from that site? End quote.
Thanks for using my name (it’s BiBi for the future) to assist your agenda’s of having readers from Linda-Goodman.com come to support and again increase the traffic to the CE site, because you claim the CE site is dying. You are correct… I do post on the CE site as well.
QUESTION ONE: What makes you believe the CE site is dying? I’d like to know the statistics you hold within your mind that would make you state such a thing? And, is the CE site aware of your posting on other sites that their site is dying?
QUESTION TWO… since you were kind enough to put an url on the Linda-Goodman.com site driving traffic to the CE site under the title “Linda Goodman Fan’s Unite”… IF Uniting Linda Goodman fans IS the agenda… why not put an url on the CE site that also drives readers back to the Linda-Goodman.com site? I mean that only seems fair now doesn’t it? A Win-Win situation for ALL Linda Goodman Fans!
On February 18, 2008 you posted on the Linda-Goodman.com site Quote: There is nothing sneaky about putting a link inside text. In fact, it's one of the nice features included in UBB code, to make long unwieldy texts links more pleasant to look at. But, figured that was a bit too volatile. I was keeping it under the radar so as not to appear "in your face" with it. . End Quote – SEE REFERNECE FOUR.
QUESTION THREE: So am I, and everyone, to believe that the only reason you didn’t come right out and just provide a link that everyone knew would take them to the CE site is that you wanted the link to look more pleasant… by calling the link… “Linda Goodman Fans Unite”? Is that correct Dafermen? Well your clever reasoning worked… even I clicked on the link. I mean who wouldn’t want to click on a link that states “Linda Goodman Fans Unite”!
It is interesting that your consciousness did think you’re choice may be too volatile.
Then, on February 18th you choose the necessity of providing url’s on Linda-Goodman.com site regarding the Webmaster himself – Randall. SEE REFERENCE FOUR AGAIN.
QUESTION FOUR: Why Dafermen did you feel you had to put up the urls on Randall that pretty much attempted to assassinate his character? Right after putting up a link on Randall’s site that drove readers from his own site to the CE site in a hidden manner… the CE site isn’t in competition with Randall’s site in any other definition than which site may have the most traffic in their site? If they are even in competition in that definition!
THIRD STAGE OF EVENTS:
Randall choose to close your thread that provided the url links in REFERENCE FOUR, which I will add right now, I think he did the right thing, that’s just my own opinion, you can not agree with me, that’s ok.
Then, you were clever again. Since the thread you started on Linda-Goodman.com was closed, and you left the site after Randall banned you (your own words), you came back into the site latter and “edited” a pre-existing reply that you had done on another thread (REFERENCE FIVE). In your goodbye speech you mention QUOTE: Knowing it was time, I put a red cape in front of the guy with the loaded gun around here when the opportunity came up, and he did what he was expected to. And then I QUOTE you again: It's no coincidence that I brought both Randall's career and reputation into question in that post in Linda's Life forum. That's how you get a Cappy to lose his cool..and in this case, do his thing.
QUESTIONS FIVE: So Darfermen, my mind goes to the question… did you do all of this (1) put up a statement that the CE site was dying, (2) put up a link from Linda-Goodman.com site which only stated “Linda Goodman Fans Unite” which mysteriously took us directly to the CE site, (3) put up links that alleged certain conduct of Randall… (which I personally do not believe – I’ll state for the record), and then (4) put up your good-bye speech stating you set up a certain person(s) to react because you knew you were leaving (or would that be – you knew you might be banned?).. DID YOU DO ALL THIS SEEMINLY PRE-MEDIATED ACTION TO ASSIST IN YOUR MISSION TO DRIVE MORE SITE TRAFFIC TO CE?
I await your clarity on the FIVE QUESTIONS put to you in my reply here.
REFERENCE ONE:
dafremen
Journeyman


Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 70
Loc: The Rockies Hullo.

Since my arrival on the scene is very recent, I thought I'd ask before spouting off with a bunch of ideas for increasing site traffic.

Has this topic come up before, and if so, what were the ideas discussed? Is it something that could be pursued if pursuing it only required a small investment in time?

Just want to help, and this is one area that I know a little bit about.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Love,
daf

Linda Goodman Fans Unite!
_________________________
Linda Goodman Fans Unite at the Original Linda Goodman Fan Site!



REFERENCE TWO:

WriteOn
Administrator
Archangel


Registered: 05/06/99
Posts: 6244
Loc: Cripple Creek, Colorado, USA Spout away, if you like, daf. It's all good.
CONDENSED for room….

In terms of increasing traffic, I think it would be fun to have more people joining in the discussions, that's true.


But if y'all want more traffic, I'm down wi' dat. Spout away, and whatever bits of it require action from me, I'll try to keep up.


REFERENCE THREE:
dafremen
Knowflake
Posts: 1565
From:
Registered: Nov 2002
posted February 18, 2008 10:25 AM

Condensed for space….
If someone has a problem with me linking to the Original Linda Goodman forums, which are now dying because Greg Ellison died..then by all means, speak your mind.
The Original Linda Goodman Forums on the web are dying. And that's a shame..a horrible shame. A tragedy.
Randall came from that site. JwHop. Juniperb is on that site. fayte.m LiaLei ListensToTrees, Bibi...who else among us is on that site or came from that site?
REFERENCE FOUR:
dafremen
Knowflake
Posts: 1565
From:
Registered: Nov 2002
posted February 18, 2008 03:41 PM

There is nothing sneaky about putting a link inside text. In fact, it's one of the nice features included in UBB code, to make long unwieldy texts links more pleasant to look at.
But, figured that was a bit too volatile. I was keeping it under the radar so as not to appear "in your face" with it. That was until you decided to bring it up. Now it's in the open. Now I'll discuss it.
Randall has his own history of chasing after money in questionable ways.
Apparently, both sites do and did.
Diversified Acquisitions is a real estate company now basically defunct. Randall, coincidentally, is known as the Lease Option King. He operates on the "Big Dog(*growl*)" philosophy. And that's fine.)
THEN YOU PLACED URL”S that I will not post here…
REFERENCE FIVE:
dafremen
unregistered posted August 18, 2004 10:00 AM

Some of you are perhaps wondering why I am no longer at Lindaland. Some of you may not have known. (Some of you may crack open the champagne.) Some of you may not care.
Here's some closure:
I was banned from Lindaland, because it was time.
Knowing it was time, I put a red cape in front of the guy with the loaded gun around here when the opportunity came up, and he did what he was expected to.
(see also: Linda's Thoughts On Teaching For Money)
(It's no coincidence that I brought both Randall's career and reputation into question in that post in Linda's Life forum. That's how you get a Cappy to lose his cool..and in this case, do his thing.)
Randall set me free. .
Goodbye everybody.
daf

Text in normal print… Dafermen’s reply… TEXT ALL IN CAP.. BIBI’S RESPONSE…

That sums it up nicely, sir. Thank you.
THANK YOU…. THAT’S YOUR REPLY??? AHHH… WHAT YOU DON’T SAY … SAY’S VOLUME’S TO ME. BY THE WAY DAFERMEN.. I’M A WOMAN.. NOT A SIR… GUESS YOU THINK I’M SOMEONE ELSE THEN ME… I’M NOT!

So glad to see you back around here. It seems you really have something to say. It may take awhile, but don't you think we all get heard eventually?
I’D SAY I’M DISAPPOINTED WITH YOUR ANSWER … EXCEPT YOU ANSWERED IN THE MANNER I THOUGHT YOU WOULD. NO SURPRISE REALLY… YOU HAD YOUR MANY HIDDEN AGENDA’S THEN… AND YOU’RE KEEPING YOUR AGENDA’S HIDDEN NOW…

GUESS YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS… BRING ANY CLARITY THAT WAS ASKED… YOU JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SUMING IT ALL UP?? VERY INTERESTING RESPONSE IN DEED… …..

I'm listening man. Sorry if my leaving and the manner of it created any conflict.
YOU WANTED TO CREATE CONFLICT… YOU SAID SO IN YOUR LAST COUPLE OF POSTING… IT WAS ONE OF YOUR HIDDEN GOAL’S IT SEEMS…SETTING PEOPLE UP…

AND YOUR OWN WORDS SAID YOU WERE BANNED… NOW YOUR SAYING YOUR LEAVING??? .

Hopefully things will subside soon.
NO COMMENT

Seriously though, it's nice to see you BB, even under such tense circumstances.

WASN’T TENSE ON MY PART I CAN ASSURE YOU… I SAW THE AGENDA’S…
SINCE YOU AREN’T BRINGING ANY MORE INSIGHT AND CLARITY… THEN MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED!! COMPLETELY ANSWERED!! THANK YOU FOR THAT……..

I'm sorry things aren't going as expected for anyone. Let's enjoy the ride, brother.
FIRST, I DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT STATEMENT AT ALL…AND I’M NOT A BROTHER… GUESS YOU’RE GETTING ME MIXED UP AGAIN… I’M BIBI… NOT THORSHAMMER OR RANDALL… NOW THAT WE GOT THAT INFORMATION STRAIGHT…
…

ENJOY THE RIDE BROTHER…
AFTER EVERYTHING YOU POSTED…
STATING THE CE SITE IS DYING…
EVERYTHING ON POSTED ON LINDA-GOODMAN.COM….
THIS IS A RIDE FOR YOU!

OK…THAT PROVIDES ME A LOT OF INSIGHT INTO YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE…………AGAIN, VERY INSIGHTFUL ANSWER TO YOUR CHARACTER, MOTIVES, MORES, ETC.

ENJOY YOUR WORLD OF HIDDEN ACTIONS… HIDDEN AGENDA’S.. HIDDEN MEANINGS…

You should note that the good-bye thread written by Daf was from August of 2004, BiBi De Angelo. It was not written this time but nearly 4 years ago when Daf was banned by Randall. It was booted up from the archives at LL.

I am a member of both CE and LL. I am a moderator at LL at FFA although I have another screen name at LL. Home is CE. I joined LL in 2004 at the request of a dear friend from CE, Rainbow, who died last year. I joined LL to be with her. I made friends there so I remain a member of LL. I have dear friends here at CE as well.

Although I am a member of both sites I do not bring things that happen at LL over to CE. What is at LL remains at LL. There is a reason for that. There is also a reason why Veneo and others here at CE do not go to LL. The reason is that there are, sad to say, many very emotionally immature adults at LL and for that reason there is a lot of arguing and conflict at LL. The rules regarding how members are expected to conduct themselves with respect for other members are the same at CE as they are at LL. The difference is that at CE those rules regarding personal attacks on other members and what amounts to verbal abuse are inforced here at CE without any preferential treatment. At LL the rules are not always inforced and when they are they are normally inforced along the lines of who one's friends are and who are not friends. As a moderator I have attempted to change that and I do not allow my friends to do things that are against the rules any more than I allow others to do so. I try to be fair and impartial and I also try to strictly implement the rules in an attempt to hopfully stop all the verbal abuse and personal attacks at LL. It is slow going but I feel the new mods at LL are making some kind of headway.

At any rate, there are people here at CE who don't go to LL because they are on a spiritual journey and do not like the conflict on the boards of LL.

Please respect that and do not bring LL matters here to CE in the future.

Incidently, Maria, I was the one who voted for the pros and cons of crosstown traffic and this is one of those cons. People bringing LL conflicts over here to CE.

Daf I love the brown eye avatar!!!!!! I have brown eyes. Of course I would love it!!!

Hi Connie ,

Thanks for clairifying things as I was really confused after reading BiBi's post.

1st off, he never called her sir or brother unless he edited his post after saying that, and second... not that CE was dying, but ever since Greg died posting here has been very infrequent. Traffic has not really wained, but there wasn't nearly as much posting going on. I think we went through a long mouring period after Greg left this earthly plane, but thanks to new blood here which has a lot to do with Daf, things have really picked up. We thank-you for that Daf.

I sure hope we get back to peaceful happy co-existance again here soon.

Mirandee/Moonflower,




Just so you know, Daf did edited after he was banned and that's why Daf after he was banned was also unregistered.

I think that Bibi simply cares for Linda Goodman, as she was very close to her, and simply didn't like what Daf did. I am sure you would've done the same thing

Veneo,



Um, just because Bibi comments on what she feel is unfair does not mean that it's not peaceful here nor happy... is that your way of analyzing someone's comment when you disagree with them?

You know, I would like to see to see a picture of BiBi with her good friend Linda Goodman. I know that I have pictures of myself with my good friends.

What did I disagree with? It just wasn't a peaceful vibe, that's all I commented on.

Nice to see traffic picking up around here!! Maybe changing anything would be overkill, Maria.

Bibi,

So nice to see you again..sort of wish it were under better circumstances, but hey, there you are...so we'll take what we can get. Right?

What happened to get you so angry, my friend? It doesn't seem like this is who you are, to me. It seems like this your way of expressing your outrage at something that started long before you ever met me.

I don't know anything that I'd care to remember about your beef with this site. And please..please..don't get me wrong when I say that I don't want to know.

What is apparent, is that you need closure that I won't be able to give you. What I did at Lindaland, I did with the right of 5 and a half years of my life invested in that site. MOST of my posts there, are not responses..but initiated posts.

Randall more than got his time and HD space's worth out of me. And I learned a lot there about people. But things change. Randall needed space away from my ways. I needed space away from Randall's ways. That's life.

For the record, neither of us have been stabbed, shot or set on fire since the beginning of this incident.

Now that may sound glib. It isn't meant to be. It's meant to communicate my sincere opinion, that we are all very lucky people. Much too lucky to waste more time on this confrontation which won't resolve anything, prove anything, change anything..or create anything beneficial.

It really does pain me a bit to see you so worked up over this. I know you don't want to be angry, indignant or hyperfocused on this. But it seems that you just are. So if it helps, here you go. Here I am, guilty as charged. Scream away.

If you have anything more that you need to get off of your chest, then I'm here. I'm listening. I think we all are. That's what folks do here. That's what I do here now, when I can. (Listening was never an "honor roll" skill of mine.)

And here you are Bibi, 75 or so posts to your credit. Many of them are conflicted and angry. Some are accusing, and political. And the early ones? Are lovely.

As of late, 4 of them are identical. They are about me. In other words, you followed me here from another site, to tell me words that I already know because I wrote them. What does that tell you about your goals at this time? Or your purpose in all of this? My purpose was to leave, and have company where I went that would spiral and communicate in a more gentle way. Here we are. Missions accomplished. Again, what's your goal?

---------------

All of that aside..it's a beautiful time. There's a little conflict in the air, but as we LL folks are so fond of saying, you can't have the light..without delving into the dark.

Here we are.
Passing through conflict.
This is what it looks like;
The darkness before the light.

Again, thanks for coming by, Bibi. Hopefully, you'll stick around and share the positive energy that you have inside.

The traffic is picking up around here already..
Is another's good fortune, anything to be upset about?
There really are lovely people here and at Lindaland. What a blessing for the entire internet community, wouldn't you say?

Be well..connect,

daf

P.S. To clear something up: I did refer to Bibi as sir and brother. I have no idea who Bibi DeAngelo is, I'm sorry to say. As soon as Lisa let me know of my mistake, I corrected it so as not to offend anyone unduly. Sorry about the mistake. Nice to meet you Ms. DeAngelo; as stated twice before, it would have been a sweeter treat under better circumstances.

Even so, it's often a pleasure to meet fiery people who still a have heart beating in their chests. This could be one of those occasions. Time will tell.

I think everybody on this thread is doing their own thing out of the goodness of their own hearts and for what each one thinks is his or her own good reasons. I really do see that. I commend you all.

I wonder what the transits are for the site right now. I'm not going to look right now because I just looked at three charts for one of my California friends and I have a bunch of copyediting I have to do for a client in a rush.

I'm just carrying on doing what I do. And some people are doing things "for me" and some people are doing things "against me," and I can't see where I asked for or required or deserved either the one or the other, but this is life out in the big cyber world, and this is you and you and you and you and you and me being ourselves with each other, and there it is, lol.

Three o'clock in the morning
I'm getting ready for bed
It came without a warning
But I'll be waiting for you baby
I'll be waiting for you there
So drink to me
Drink to my health
You know I can't drink anymore ...

That was Paul McCartney singing about Pablo Picasso's last night. Life ends, guys. Life ends. I don't want to spend it fighting. I really don't.

They do their thing and I do mine
Ooo baby, that's hard to change
I can't tell them how to feel
Some get stoned and some get strange
Sooner or later, it all gets real
Walk on

That was Neil Young, singing about tempests in teapots.

Walk on, guys. Do your thing. I will too.

What it is.

Maria

AHHH… I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO GO TO SLEEP.. AND MY INNER VOICE SAID YOU POSTED SOMETHING… SURE ENOUGH 8 MINUTES AGO YOU DID… SO GLAD YOU POSTED DAFERMEN.... PLEASE SEE MY RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTING IN ALL CAPS.. .NOT TO YELL.. I USE CAPS SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT MY REPLY WAS FROM YOUR POSTING.. THAT'S ALL!

So nice to see you again..sort of wish it were under better circumstances, but hey, there you are...so we'll take what we can get. Right?

What happened to get you so angry, my friend?
FIRST DAFERMEN I CAN’T REMEMBER US BEING FRIENDS… UNLESS YOU POSTED THINGS IN THE OTHER SITE UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME..

ANGRY… I’M NOT ANGRY… YOUR LABEL… I’M ASKING QUESTIONS… ASKING QUESTIONS GETS TO BE LABLED ANGRY… DON’T WORRY I’M NOT ANGRY… NOT IN THE LEASE… BUT THANKS FOR WORRYING ABOUT ME….

It doesn't seem like this is who you are, to me. It seems like this your way of expressing your outrage at something that started long before you ever met me.
OUTRAGE… ANGRY… GUESS WE JUST SEE LIFE WITH DIFFERENT EYES AND EARS … I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS DAFERMEN BECAUSE YOU CAME TO THE OTHER SITE… SAID THINGS.. DID THINGS.. GOT BANNED.. AND I HAD NO OTHER PLACE TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS BUT HERE… HOWEVER, I GOT PLENTY EDUCATED BY MOONFLOWER AND SHE JUST EDUCATED ALL YOUR NEW MEMBERS THAT ALSO ARE ON THE OTHER SITE NOT TO BRING CONFLICT OVER HERE… SO IT’S ALL A LEARNING CURVE…

SEEMS YOU JUST WANT TO USE WORDS LIKE ANGER AND OUTRAGE AND NOT REALLY PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS… I GET THAT…

I don't know anything that I'd care to remember about your beef with this site.
OH … BEEF WITH THIS SITE…
OUTRAGE…
ANGER…
AND MOONFLOWER SAID YOU ALL DO EVERYTHING TO KEEP PEACEFUL AND SPIRITUAL SITE… WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING THESE WORDS?? DISAPPOINTING…OH I GET IT.. MAYBE YOU USE THESE WORDS SO YOU DON’T HAVE PROVIDE CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING… CLEVER…

And please..please..don't get me wrong when I say that I don't want to know.
NO COMMENT….

What is apparent, is that you need closure that I won't be able to give you.
OH DAFERMEN… WON’T BE ABLE TO GIVE ME… OR JUST WON’T GIVE! YOU’RE CUTE WITH WORDS….

What I did at Lindaland, I did with the right of 5 and a half years of my life invested in that site. MOST of my posts there, are not responses..but initiated posts.
SO POSTING FOR FIVE YEARS GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO POST WHAT YOU DID… YOU KNOW… THIS ISN’T SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE OVER HERE NEEDS TO DIGEST… HOW ABOUT YOU AND I CONVERSE OFF THE SITE.. I COULDN’T POST TO YOU OVER THERE.. NOW YOU FINALLY RESPONDED.. SO LET’S DEAL WITH THIS CONVERSATION OUT SIDE OF THE SIGHT… MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS: bibideangelo@netscape.net

Randall more than got his time and HD space's worth out of me.
I’M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS RANDALL HERE… AND MOONFLOWER HAS ALREADY EDUCATED ME THAT CONFLICT FROM THE OTHER SITE ISN’T TO BE BROUGHT OVER HERE.. SO NOW THAT’S YOU’VE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO RESPOND… LET’S DEAL WITH THIS OUTSIDE THE SITE!

And I learned a lot there about people. But things change. Randall needed space away from my ways. I needed space away from Randall's ways. That's life.
AGAIN… I’M NOT BADMOUTHING RANDALL… RANDALL ISN’T THE ISSUE.. YOU’RE CHOICES ARE THE ISSUE ….

For the record, neither of us have been stabbed, shot or set on fire since the beginning of this incident.
OK… WHY YOU NEED TO SAY THAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND.. BUT OK..

Now that may sound glib. It isn't meant to be. It's meant to communicate my sincere opinion, that we are all very lucky people. Much too lucky to waste more time on this confrontation which won't resolve anything, prove anything, change anything..or create anything beneficial.
AGAIN… LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS MORE… OUTSIDE OF THIS SITE…

It really does pain me a bit to see you so worked up over this.
OH NO WORRIES.. TRUST ME … I’M NOT WORKED UP OVER THIS… YOU JUST DON’T KNOW ME…

I know you don't want to be angry, indignant or hyperfocused on this.
OH.. I THINK WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED I’M NOT ANGRY…
AND INDIGNANT IS THE LAST THING EITHER …
AND HYPERFOCUSED… WELL I GUESS I WROTE THE POST TO YOU DEFERMEN LIKE A WRITER… TOO DEEP FOR YOU… SORRY

But it seems that you just are. So if it helps, here you go. Here I am, guilty as charged. Scream away.
I’M NOT… EVEN IF YOU KEEP REPEATING THAT I AM ANGRY AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF…

WHAT IN GOD’S NAME ARE YOU PLEADING GUILTY TO?

AND WHAT IN GODS NAME HAVE YOU BEEN CHARGED WITH? I’M MISSING SOME DOTS HERE… I’M TOTALLY LOST IN YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT… AND AS FOR SCREAMING AWAY… WELL … AGAIN WE JUST DON’T KNOW EACH OTHER… I DON’T SCREAM AWAY… I ASK QUESTIONS… ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING… ASK FOR CLARITY… AND IT’S BEING INTREPRETED BY YOU AND WHO KNOWS PERHAPS OTHERS…AND AGAIN… THIS SITE IS PEACEFUL AND SPIRITUAL… NOT A SITE TO SCREAM AWAY… YOU’VE GOT TO WEAN YOURSELF OFF THE CHARACTER BEHAVIOR YOU’VE BEEN ACCUTOMED TO DOING ON THE OTHE R SITE… I SAY THAT WITH LOVE..

AND AGAIN… AS LONG AS YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS.. THE REAL ISSUES AREN’T BEING ADDRESS… AND AGAIN… LET’S TALK OFF THE SITE… YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AREN’T YOU??
?

If you have anything more that you need to get off of your chest, then I'm here.
AGAIN… I’M NOT GETTING ANYTING OFF MY CHEST… YOU KEEP REPEATING THAT… BESIDES MOONFLOWER HAS SAID.. THIS IS A PEACEFUL AND SPIRITUAL SITE… SO I’LL REPEAT MYSELF.. LET’S TALK OFF THE SITE…

I'm listening. I think we all are. That's what folks do here. That's what I do here now, when I can. (Listening was never an "honor roll" skill of mine.)
MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS ABOVE……

And here you are Bibi, 75 or so posts to your credit. Many of them are conflicted and angry. Some are accusing, and political. And the early ones? Are lovely.
AHHH THANKS FOR THOSE NUMBERS …
AND AGAIN YOU LABEL MY WORDS CONFLICTED AND ANGRY…
AND NOW ADD ACCUSING AND POLITICAL… SO GLAD YOU ENJOYED THE EARLY ONE’S… I JUST WISH I COULD UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CHOOSE TO USE SUCH STRONG WORDS… OH WELL… WE’RE DIFFERENT… I’M SURE YOU HAVE NO HARD FEELINGS… I KNOW I DON’T…

As of late, 4 of them are identical.
PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE 4 IN YOUR EMAIL TO ME…WHAT FOUR POSTINGS ARE YOU SHARING HERE?

They are about me. In other words, you followed me here from another site, to tell me words that I already know because I wrote them.
YES… I FOLLOWED YOU… HOW ELSE WAS I TO FIND AND COMMUNICATE WITH YOU… AND YES I QUOTED YOU… THE DEFINITION IS QUOTED YOU..

What does that tell you about your goals at this time? Or your purpose in all of this? My purpose was to leave, and have company where I went that would spiral and communicate in a more gentle way. Here we are. Missions accomplished. Again, what's your goal?
AS ALWAYS.. TO GET UNDERSTANDING AND CLARITY…
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All of that aside..it's a beautiful time. There's a little conflict in the air, but as we LL folks are so fond of saying, you can't have the light..without delving into the dark.

Here we are.
Passing through conflict.
This is what it looks like.
The darkness before the light.

Again, thanks for coming by, Bibi. Hopefully, you'll stick around and share the positive energy that you have inside.
AHHH YOUR WELCOME…

The traffic is picking up around here already.
YES..YOU MADE COMMENT OF THAT ABOVE… CONGRAT’S ON YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENT… THAT WAS YOUR GOAL AFTER ALL.. SEEMS YOUR HAPPY WITH THE TRAFFIC PICKING UP… REGARDLESS OF HOW IT WAS BROUGHT ABOUT… AGAIN… SOMETHING FOR OUR EMAILS… PLEASE DO WRITE ME… I DON’T WANT TO BORE THE OTHERS ON THIS VERY PEACEFUL AND SPIRITUAL SITE WITH OUT QUESTIONS AND ANSWER SESSION… THANKS! .

Is another's good fortune, anything to be upset about?
There really are lovely people here and at Lindaland. What a blessing for the entire internet community, wouldn't you say?

Be well..connect,

daf

P.S. To clear something up: I did refer to Bibi as sir and brother. I have no idea who Bibi DeAngelo is, I'm sorry to say. As soon as Lisa let me know of my mistake, I corrected it so as not to offend anyone unduly. Sorry about the mistake. Nice to meet you Ms. DeAngelo; as stated twice before, it would have been a sweeter treat under better circumstances.
OH I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE DAFERMEN… WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH NICER UNDER OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES.

Even so, it's often a pleasure to meet fiery people who still a have heart beating in their chests. This could be one of those occasions. Time will tell.
OH DARF… THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS.. AND CONGRAT’S ON GETTING MORE TRAFFIC!

I AWAIT YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL TO ME...

I hope you can sort your differences out, guys!

Just a slight correction here as to what I actually said both here and at LL on that thread you bumped up at FFA, BiBi, which we mods at FFA moved to Linda's Life where the conflict began and where it belongs.

I did not "educate" you or other new members "not to bring conflict here to CE." Conflict is, I think a necessary part of life which we learn from and can grow from.

What I actually stated was not to bring "LL conflicts" over to CE. That is to say, taking arguments such as this one which began at LL over to the boards of CE.

For one thing we don't want LL conflicts brought over here and although I can't speak for everyone here at CE, it is my understanding as a member here for a few years now that is probably the same way others long time members of CE feel.

Another thing, no one here at CE who does not go to LL know what the hell anyone is talking about when you bring conflicts over here to these boards that began on the boards of LL.

So really, I am only asking for common courteousy and consideration for the members of CE. What it amounts to is taking a bar brawl out onto the streets and dragging innocent bystanders into the brawl.

Moonflower…
Thank you for your clarification… you meant not to bring LL conflicts over to CE… however, as I attempted to explain… when Defermen was banned on “the other site” LL this peaceful site was the only place for us to reach him. I’m sure everyone reading this will agree… this was a very unique situation… something that doesn’t happen every day… I mean.. it’s not every day someone does something so harsh to be banned… otherwise.. trust me everyone.. I would have put the email to Defermen on the other site! So the chance of that kind of thing occurring again Moonflower/Connie… is pretty remote. Thank you dear for bringing more clarity to that.

I read this morning that you are no longer a moderator on the other site..


You stated:
Another thing, no one here at CE who does not go to LL know what the hell anyone is talking about when you bring conflicts over here to these boards that began on the boards of LL.

My reply:
I agree with you 100% …. Is the word hell used above refer to Randall asking you step down as a moderator on his site? Not sure how to understand your sentence above.

You stated:
So really, I am only asking for common courteousy and consideration for the members of CE. What it amounts to is taking a bar brawl out onto the streets and dragging innocent bystanders into the brawl.

My reply:
Again Connie… I agree with you 100%... just this morning I was answering a reply to Defermens posting and requesting that he and I talk off the site.. not to bore everyone with the details.. and not to have everyone filter it all… AGAIN… this situation is most likely a once in a life time situation… Defermen got banned.. and the CE site was unfortunately the only place for him to be found. Now that he has responded .. and communication can be done off the site… everything should return to normal on the CE site… don’t you think.

Have a blessed day everyone…

Good day everyone, CE is CE and LL is LL - that is the truth and so be it.

Thanks Connie,

Again, you cleared things up and did speak for me when you said that people here that don't go to LL had no idea what was going on or really care to for that matter. This issue (except for Daf doing what he could to bring more traffic here by directing it away from there if that is what I am to understand he's done) is something that happened 4 - 5 years ago, and people change and grow usually for the better if they are on a spiritual path (I know I have). Daf has done nothing here to cause me to think badly of him and I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong.

Hi Bibi,

For future reference (not that it will be needed now), you could have talked to Daf privately by sending him a private message. That feature is under My Stuff.

Everyone have a wonderful day... I woke up in a great mood today (although I did't get up until almost noon) because of having such a good time last night chatting in the Shout Box till almost 4am.

& ,
~Kel

moonflower,

I can't speak for Bibi, but I'd venture to guess that we both agree with you. Bibi has sincerely stated that she just wanted to get ahold of me and get closure. I'm willing to believe that. Who wouldn't want closure? She feels just as indignant as any of us have felt over something that we thought was unfair. Who couldn't admire, at least, the dedication..and the passion? I do. We've all been there before, I'd venture to guess. That's what got me here in the first place if you think about it. Passion over what I perceived as injustice. Bibi and I are on two ends of the same wavelength with our different ways of relating. Again, I can admire the loyalty and passion that drives this. But again, you're right..this often negative energy, particularly considering that its about LL, should be exchanged in private.

A final thing I'd like to clear the air with everyone about, before addressing the fiery Ms. DeAngelo is the rumor that somehow I was connected to conscious evolution and this was a scheme hatched up. Naww. Nothing quite so elaborate as all of that.

Maria knew nothing about my doing any of this until after the fact. We only just recently started exchanging correspondence through PM, and it has been friendly, but definitely not close enough to be called..an alliance. I think, if anything we're allied simply by the love of the environment in this place.

So no, there was no Maria conspiracy. I basically, did what I've done every other time. Played the part of the puppet, let somebody with harsh words play on my reactions, decided to make a point, the point involved Randall. My thoughts? I didn't. It went something like: "What the hell, if he bans me..he bans me."

It was about 70/30 that he would. A crapshoot, but I took it. I have really bad ADD and I'm reckless sometimes in the face of monotony or strong emotion. That happens with me. Sorry.

As for the traffic thing? Heck, a lot of people at LL would stick around there longer, if they had a place to take a break from the often contentious discussions.

Plus, inspired by their "recharge"..they'd be headed back to LL with all sorts of new content and good energy to share.

That was also my thought when I posted those links. (Besides being VERY touched by the story of Greg's death and moved by the somber warmth of these beautiful, grieving people that he brought together. They could be felt holding onto each other the moment I came in the door here. There were tears in my eyes.)

Sharing and connecting is a part of everything Linda wanted, you know? We all miss her..through our notions of what she meant to us. So..this was a perfect place to lend my support to at Lindaland where there are people who read some of the things I write. It made sense, regardless of policy.

Randall and I may have had our differences up to that point, but my love for that site, was (is!) unquestionable. It hurt to have people telling me what to do after 5.5 years of dedication, and it hurt to have folks calling my attempt at connection, an attempt at sabotage.

It just hurt..rational or not. And I reacted to that hurt.

So, in summary, nobody here formed a posse of conspiracy. I reacted, Randall reacted and things happened from there, as they happened.

Air cleared.


Dear Bibi DeAngelo,

Absolutely, it would be better for all concerned if this "discussion" or "finding of the facts" were not stirred up around here. I hope that we agree on that. It's a good start.

You may have my email at any time. My email address has been posted openly on the internet for about 10 years now. A google search for dafremen AND gmail OR hotmail OR yahoo should bring it up many times over. In addition, Randall has my email adress, and I believe it's set to public in my profile here.

As well, being members here at CE, we can always take advantage of the PM system..if you have questions regarding my intentions, or my actions.

Finally, here they are, in the order that I usually check them:

dafremen@gmail.com
dafremen@hotmail.com
dafremen@yahoo.com

I've tried very carefully over the years, to keep my whereabouts, private but to keep myself accessible. I'm sure that in the future, you'll find that it is very easy to get a hold of me; armed with these ideas.


I'm always more than happy to answer anyone's questions about anything. (Sometimes the answer is "I'm not saying", but that's the exception and not the rule.)

Just as I wasn't familiar with you, perhaps you aren't familiar with me. I'm known (by those who know me) for being available to answer people's questions.
(see also: Dafremen Answers Five Questions at Oranges and Hyacinths)

The answers to your questions, are especially of concern to me.

At this point there is no one else in my life who is upset with me as much as you seem to be. I'd like to fix that.

Please do contact me, let me know what you think, tell what you think I need to hear. Ask me any questions that you have. Let's resolve this..and leave these people out of any negativity that might spill over from frustration and miscommunication between us.

They're here to spiral..you know that. So let's take this discussion somewhere where it isn't disrupting that. I'll be waiting to hear from you. From the urgency of these posts, it seems that you really need to reach me. I'm here. Let's talk. You know where I'm at.

With hope for a fast and solid resolution,

daf

I do remember my asking you 5 questions Daf, and your reply as well. Infact, that helped me a lot for self-realization. The Karmic Bondage I faced is to "look within" gain strength from "within", a challenge for me still. Anyway, your words helped me in a big way and guided as well.

They were your words, Moonie. You are your GURU.

The secret to that thread, is that most of the time..the answers were hidden in the questions themselves.

I just tried to reflect them as though I were you..by asking myself "why did this person ask those questions" then relating my own life's experiences to answering that question.

The fact that you were able to take your own answers, relayed through me..and apply them, is an amazing miracle..on your part, not mine.

You should be really proud of yourself, man. Seriously, you've been through hell and back, and you're still the sweet, thoughtful, caring person who was trying so hard to peek out through those questions.

But this time, you are speaking loud and clear. It's a beautiful thing man..you're a beautiful human being. I'm so glad you came out intact and feel free to be you.

Peace, love and rock it,

daf

For all the hardships and challenges I faced, I am sure it made me a better person, much better than I ever was. No regrets, keping the lessons and forgetting the experiences.

"What germinates in fire does not whither in the hot sun" And the Sagittarians are always mighty!


I was always a good friend to others, I could motivate and inspire everyone around me, but myself. So, as I see it, life's lessons were something that I needed. When my father was diagonized cancer, and his subsequent passing away, my change in living situation, moving back to my home town on emotional stuff, start, growth and crash and subsequent financial loss from my business, the 28 day marriage fiasco and the 46 day legal battle for divorce - the dark ages of my life from 2002-2006 - it was worth going through fire. Still have issues to attend to, but I am a better focussed person. Though I am yet to recover my self-confidence completely, I am sure I am on my way!

I know you are. Your energy feels much different than it did when you asked those questions. You feel very sure, even if you aren't completely certain sometimes. That's part of being a Libra.