<takes a swig from a fresh pint o'Guinness>



Hell yeah, BlueDove! Well put, my friend!

As the elements flow with the passing of the seasons and the creation of our physical realm...

... it is the heart and soul which is ever-present, ever-reaching, teaching, learning, loving, and understanding.

Tara

Didn't know if I would be early or late to Happy Hour, and it looks like some of you helped yourselves. Is it always Happy Hour at the Last Chance Cafe? Would anyone like to raise a toast to Linda and her happiness poem? It's a hot afternoon, some chilled pinot grigio for me. Tara, I'll clink a Guiness with you some other time soon. Can I get anyone anything? My service isn't as good as the tips-- or at least during this Merc rx -- and I have received great tips so far!

So do we attract to ourselves by Law both what we perceive we lack (which is what we desire) as well as what we are?

Tracey, very interesting re the Mayan calendar, Saturn and Pluto...

And Lisa ... reminding us that beyond the elemental realm surpasseth understanding because all is understood. Can we reach past the elements alone? Isn't it more heavenly to arrive together?

This is a very nice cafe.

Halo Dreamer

Slippin a quarter into the JukeBox.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rODeuywknwE

So good to have You hear in the Cafe
And a workin' Girl no less....
No better waitress than a Pisces I say.
Please, come sit and stir awhile.
Yet another long lost friend and Patron
here to adorn our Lives with Tales of Wondrous Adventures....
The only rule is :
"Do not let the Truth get in the Way of a good story"(Clemens)

Although IT may Be
CyberSpeed outside....
the pace slows to an even crawl in hear
as we discuss the finer things in Life to Be had....
Friends.
Love.
Laughter.
Understanding.
Compassion.
Good conversation....
and, did I say
Drinks anyone?
A Jameson, neat for me and a Guiness chaser please.

Time certainly has seemed to speed up these Daze.
So much information circling our skies.
The Quest for this thirst
is unquenchable to some...
but hear
we speak till we have our Fill.

The only Time too short, my Dear Dreamer
is the Time we have together....

(Someone brilliant said that....help me out hear.)

I am very glad You are hear to help me find my Self...
Intomesee is an inside job, and invite All those who
who speak soft and play hard.

I like the Eden anagram.
It is one of those Words that lures our ears...
Need.
Lots of thotht on that one!
Will have to contemplate whilst I sip this Spirit.

The Eden of No Thing....
My only tip tonight is
Don't eat the Apple!

Halo Venus

Thanks for stopping in once again with Your energy
and all ways pleasant attitude.
It is a treasure amongst the Mundane
to have the upbeat tempo You play...
Night and day
Day and Night.


It is merely the search for companionship that drives Venus towards another....the balance of two. Many hands make light work and when searching for intomesee...the more the merrier!
Although, I think It begins a Lone.
We can share the dessert though....
Sweet tooth Libra....all ways the dessert.
Creme Brulee?..... Waitress! Another fork please?


Ah, Lady Dove
I was hoping You would see the signs
and find Your Way hear
to the Whole in the Wall
we have created.
There are many Spirits amongst Us
that seek what You speak of.....
The reaching.
The hearing.
The feeling.
The True Desire
to Know
the Point of All this.
This thing we call Life.
Rooted in our covetous Heart
we sprout forth into the Garden
to bask in the Glory of the Sun's Shine.

I am glad You stopped in for a drink from the Well.
May Your Words become Flowers
blossoming bouquet
too pretty to pick.

I, for One, never grow tired of reading them.

Well Ladies, before my Night Cap, I leave You with this....

If we are born a Lone
and we die a Lone
Why do we seek another to Live with?

Just a thought for the long walk home.


Chahlie

...because here on earth is the only time we CAN.

PD! Hiya, Stardust Dreamer!

I think, often, it's the server who brings the tips!
Much like a bartender who offers that unique perspective, the servers bring the goods to the table, and always with a smile and an intriguing twist of lemony-goodness



Whew! That's a mouthful, and an answer within a question...

Are you aware of how wise you are, phrasing that so?
Such a lovely thought to go with a glass of merlot

Venus, Hiya friend!

Now, hey, to all at the table:

While we're on the subject of the Law of Attraction,
What do y'all think about the Law of Refraction?

re·frac·tion [ ri fráksh'n ]

1. physics change of direction of wave: the change in direction that occurs when a wave of energy such as light passes from one medium to another of a different density, e.g. from air to water

2. physics degree of wave redirection: the degree to which a wave of energy is refracted

3. astronomy distortion of position of astronomical object: the degree to which the apparent position of an astronomical object is distorted by the redirection of its light as it passes through the Earth's atmosphere

4. ophthalmology ability of eye to bend light: the ability of the eye to change the direction of light in order to focus it on the retina

5. ophthalmology measuring of refractive capacity of eye: the process of measuring the eye's ability to refract light



This one sent me on a heck of a mind-trip!
...considering we've been chatting about time, the elements, light and vibration

Howdy EveryOne,

Oh Waitress, dear, would you bring me a pitcher of frozen mudslides topped with whipped cream, drizzled with hot fudge and a fistful of cherries please? And some extra glasses for you and anyone else who would like to indulge with me, please and thanks.

I'm in dire need of a brief disconnect from the dizzying pace of the outside world and the first place I thought to go was 'Last Chance'. Love the song you've got playing on the jukebox Chahles from good 'ole Mr. Blue Eyes himself. I've always been a sucker for blue eyes. Mmmm and Creme Brulee. At 70 Grams of fat per serving though, I'd be more than happy to share it with you, especially if it's chocolate.

We have some very interesting thoughts at the table tonight. Beginning alone and ending alone, yet not traveling the road in between alone. Yet, even during those times of transition from one existence to the next, are we really alone even then? Maybe our physical selves just think we are. Good one Chahles.

Yours too, Anessene, on the Law of Refraction. Energy and light is the essence of the soul, with the eye its window, changing its direction as we pass from plane to plane. Lots of food for thought there. I'll let you know what I come up with once that mudslide kicks in.

Until the next Happy Hour, be well my merry patrons and blessed be.

Wow, Tara, thanks for the refraction! What an incredible multi-layer word. Says a lot about differences in perception.

Hi everybunny. I'm just dropping in for a strong coffee and cream. I'm on some kind of Saturn jag. I so need to organize so many facets of my life, and it's such hard work.

Maria

"Yet another long lost friend and Patron
here to adorn our Lives with Tales of Wondrous Adventures...."
Yes.

The only rule is :
"Do not let the Truth get in the Way of a good story"(Clemens)
Okay. And I also will not let anything get in the way of Truth.

"Although IT may Be
CyberSpeed outside....
the pace slows to an even crawl in hear
as we discuss the finer things in Life to Be had....
Friends.
Love.
Laughter.
Understanding.
Compassion.
Good conversation.... "
... Now Heaven is here.

"A Jameson, neat for me and a Guiness chaser please."
Coming right up, if the good bartender knows what that is, because I sure don't.

"If we are born a Lone
and we die a Lone
Why do we seek another to Live with?"
But we are never, can never be TRULY alone,
and we seek another sometimes because we forget this
and we seek another because we know this

"I am very glad You are hear to help me find my Self...
Intomesee is an inside job, and invite All those who
who speak soft and play hard."
I am glad too and promise to stay as long as needed.

PS A very happy Father's Day to you and everyone.

Hey Lioness,

I'll have a glass of merlot and a mind trip with you anytime! What a warm thought on this cold rainy day.

whoa on that Law of Refraction! I have to bend my mind over that one for a while. The first thing that came to me stream of consciousness was Neptune...

"Oh Waitress, dear, would you bring me a pitcher of frozen mudslides topped with whipped cream, drizzled with hot fudge and a fistful of cherries please? And some extra glasses for you and anyone else who would like to indulge with me, please and thanks." Sure, even though I'll gain ten pounds carrying it all over! We are going to need lots of spoons and forks in this place!

Oooh what was the Blue Eyes song I couldn't hear? Some Enchanted Evening? It Was a Very Good Year? Love those two the best.

"Energy and light is the essence of the soul, with the eye its window, changing its direction as we pass from plane to plane. Lots of food for thought there. I'll let you know what I come up with once that mudslide kicks in."
Oh that was very good! Please don't let the mudslide block those thoughts. I get a lot of mud sometimes between Pisces sun and Virgo rising.
I am going to ride on the waves of that Law of Refraction for a while.

Dearest Maria,

I'll gladly fetch that strong coffee right away, though I hope you'll allow yourself to slow down in here and get away from all that ...

Not that I am one to talk. It has been like that here too despite all the effort to counter it. The struggling to keep up must be the problem!

It's so good to see you.

G'day, my friends!

Well, geez, despite the weight gain/loss struggle I've been dealing with lately, today is a:



...kind of day!

Oh, and put some coffee in there too... my three cats kept me awake last night, and I think maybe I got an hour or so's worth of sleep!

Say, here's a thought on the light that passes from planet to planet, eye to eye, soul to soul:

If we catch it, throw it on,
or return it to the sender,
can we always get more
from the eternal lender?

heehee

(I've been on some mind-trips lately )

Tara

Halo Dear Padrons

If in fact, "In wine there is Truth," I will have another carafe please.
It seems to help spiral the Mind and mouth in Ways our Selves would never do.

I think back to the dawn of Man
when Survival was All that consumed People's thothts.
How basic needs were the re-legion of the Time.
The Sun. The Rain. The Food. The Shelter.
Surviving was enough and All there was.
Complete unity with our Selves and surroundings...
Both Master and victim to every day circumstances
People had no Time
No Money.
No wants other than to Live.
Every Day was a Life Time.

Then the uncovery of Fire!

It is interesting this point of Light mentioned hear.
It has been on my Mind for some Time now.
Thinking about Humanity and it's slow Evolution....
how much progress has been made since the discovery of Electricity.
Paralleled to the discovery of Fire...ManKind has certainly come out from the physical dark Ages.
What fascinates me of late is how expedentially we are growing out of our Physical bodies...into realms of Higher Consciousness due to the Light and Electricity we are Being surrounded with.


With all the satellites and EMF energy bouncing off our Home,
All the Sell phoneys transmitting Words and digits,
All the TV's casting Broad information through our Faces
All the PCS, Laptops,GPS Units and Satellite Radios buzzing around Us
We have become intergrated with this Invisible Energy
Heightened by a Source of Energy that permeates our Existence
Beyond our direct control
Elevating our Informational Knowledge
at a record pace....
All Most, as If, IT is the Source of Consciousness
Living through Us now.
" I Am the Light"



I wonder If Light is Life taking on Physical form.
And our perception of It, as Tara and Traceyvhas pointed out,
is catalysting the Speed of this progress...both Physically and Spiritually.
We are indeed, perceptors.
Receivers of both Energy and Stimuli.
With our Minds and their thothts,
we certainly know we attract what we think.
What we don't know is where they come from and how we refract them
into Our Selves.
We bend the information we perceive
into a mold caste by our Time hear and It's experience....
thus reCreating our Selves with every instance and nuance.
Perpetually and constantly changing.
Into what and to what degree?
Is this Metamorphosis of our own Free Will?
Or is It's Origin The Force that lies within?


Are we outgrowing our need for ourselves?

With out the need for substance...
Is Light the LIFE we are to Live?


Hmmmm....
Onward and Upward deep into the depths of standingUnder.



Chahlie

Hey Chahldean,

Ahhhhh yes, FIRE. My ruler, my one and all, the love of my life, the good, the bad & the ugly.

I remember during a shaman journey I took, (ayahuasca, if any are curious) I had a vision:

Walking down a city street, in place of all the people on the sidewalk, were flames, as those appearing at the tops of matchsticks. No flesh, no blood, no clothes or hair, just FIRE.

It provided a link in my unconsciousness about creation; the elements providing a temple to house the everlasting light of where we "come" from, (a spark of electricity, of thought itself) the earth providing our "destination," (land, water, physical flesh & blood) the wind blowing us through time into ashes, the planets guiding our steps...

All of it happening in the connection of time and anti-time; creation and fulfillment, born and dying at the same "time," as the sparks of light we get from the sun live through us, amongst us, burning within us.

I often wonder now if the apparent decrease in our ability to simply live within this fire, without all of its "contraptions," (those damn cell phones, iPods, computerized equipment) is due to the creation of all these "contraptions;" the light within us which could be used for creation of love, of solace, of tenderness for the planet and its inhabitants, is in fact "used up" by the electricity, (and therefore, fire) we force into our cell phones, our computers, our numerous so-called "time-savers," which - honestly - I don't think save time at all.

Perhaps we should focus less on enduring time, and more on enjoying it.

Tara

P.S. As a personal note: Over the past year, as circumstances have forced me to live without a phone, with very little money, simple food and no serious daily obligations, I've noticed a decrease in my need for the "contraptions." While it would be nice to have more funds for healthier food - I've felt the days grow longer, I've heard the birds more, I've stopped listening to cars, and hear the wind in the trees more. It's wonderful.



indeed!

Hey there Maria. It's good to see you and so wonderful to have you join us. With Saturn cracking the whip on you these days, I can see why you need that coffee break. I hope you'll stay awhile and spiral with us. Come by anytime you need a break from the 'ole slavedriver. The best of luck to you on getting your life organized the way you want it. You've just reminded me that Saturn will be snapping his whip in my direction again very soon.

Hi PiscesDreamer. Thank you bunches for the mudslides. They are truly out of this world. I hear you about the mud. With one planet in Earth and two in Water, I know a little something about that too. I also know that playing in it can be a lot of fun. Another pitcher please? And one for my good friend Anessene too. No need to worry that my thoughts will get too muddy. I know my limits and promise to stop after this one. Oh, that Blue Eyes song you missed was called "One For My Baby" and it was a very lovely tune (see, told ya I wasn't too muddy yet).

Anessene, I do believe that the answer to your little riddle about passing it on and getting more from the eternal lender is YES, YES, YES because everything we put out comes back threefold. And yes also to what you said Chahles about us outgrowing our need for ourselves and Light being our Life.

I'm inclined to think that cell phones and emails might be the physical bridge that will lead us back to our spiritual selves. Back to the source where no physical body is needed. With these modern day apparatuses we are but one step away from communicating with each other telepathically at the speed of Light. The question is, how soon will we get there? The new Mayan cycle is only a few short years away....

Good Sunday Morning to All,

Tara-- here is your pitcher of something like a sundae-- I suspect from reading another thread you probably don't even want it any more.

Spiral on, Tara and Chahles!

If we are made of starlight-- does that mean it is true that it is the fire that is the life. Without the fire, the star is just a dead body.

Linda said that fire sign people are never, ever comfortable being in a body, can never rectify being limited to a body, and indeed suffer acutely throughout mortal life. Like all of us in bodies, yet the fire sign people must be more acutely sensitive.

If we celebrate our ability to dwell more and more comfortably in a body, do we say that is evolution? Or is this "evolution" teaching us we are headed the wrong way and showing us our true destination is to go back to what we are? Do we celebrate fancy contraptions which we only need because we limit our fire within the confines of a body?

What is better-- a Ferrari or the ability to think and blink ourselves anywhere in or out of the Universe in the past, present or future at once?

...There is something key about the nature of lightning in understanding what we are...

...And it has to do with getting back to the Garden of Eden...

... where we can enjoy the surrounds without bug spray, or suffering poison ivy, etc.

Greetings all,

You know, I've a few thoughts yet on the subject of "getting us back to the Source," and those pesky machines which are supposedly "getting us closer."

Forgive me, as I disagree on a few things here.

Number one, I don't think we're getting closer. And I don't think that these contraptions are helping us at all to become better human beings.

With regards to the "Source," personally? I don't want to go back. At least not until I'm dead. Like I said, I may have some disagreement coming at me after I write this, but hear me out, folks:

Why is it that in the midst of the physical beauty that is our planet; of separateness and individuality; all we want to do is escape it? If where we came from is where we'll go back to, why hurry? Why try to change our planet so that it's "closer to heaven," (in other words: "closer to what we ASSUME is our heaven") if our original intent was to have a place where we could joyously congregate, LIVING as One and yet not-as-One; a place where we can celebrate our Source, and live within it, but without it at the same time?

And to further the possibility of disagreement, I believe wholeheartedly in the following: Tele-kinetic activity between us would be the fall of mankind. We have been wallowing in science for years now, attempting to make us all "connected," and look where it has us - global human inequity, money as the almighty driving force, and human beings who have lost the ability to actually COMMUNICATE with each other, prefering to get caught up in the technology.

Countries are without food and shelter, while the United States comes out with 10 new cellphone varieties a month.

Our land-fill sites are filled with electronic devices deemed "no longer valuable," and cemetaries are filled with the dead and suffering poor, who might have survived had we listened to their cries.

I could go on forever here, but the basis of my opinion is this: We ARE in heaven. When we die yes, perhaps we will go back to the Source, but if the Source is a giant "being" of light, creation and fulfillment, time and anti-time, life and death together as one, we will no longer have our beautiful HUMAN abilities: to feel, to emote, to express, to enjoy our separateness and individuality; verily, to HAVE and HOLD our own thoughts, bodies and emotions as our own. Part of our reason for BEING is our ability to remain individuals; to enjoy and OWN our own thoughts, to be able to express ourselves as we see fit.

And in closing, if all we are doing is trying to RUSH ourselves into so-called "perfection here on earth," (which is always subject to personal expectations and opinions; remember, no two humans will EVER agree on perfection) why is it that our planet is swiftly becoming a garbage can for electronic devices, our children becoming video-game-bots, our husbands and wives divorcing one another faster than you can state your name, rank and file number?



Tara

Ahh Tara, you truly are amazing. Always with the food for thought.

Maria

Howdy all,

Maria, thanks for the supportive words... sometimes I must choke on things before they get digested.

As PiscesDreamer mentioned above:



I had forgotten about Linda's view on this, and yes, it puts a lot of things in my life into perspective, and leads me to share a story of sorts:

Several years ago, I became quite convinced that my life on earth was over. I was going through a devastating spiritual crisis; overwhelmed by past-life memories and a whirlwind of opposing spiritual views fighting inside my soul for supremacy. I lived each day in agony, at once fighting the urge to "take off" and make my physical existence on this planet history, or "stand and fight" the battle that was going on internally.

PD, That quote you shared rang true, my friend. I wanted to "get back" to the Source of all being, where I could sleep eternally, blissfully unaware of my own human and bodily existence.

Then - thanks to a few kind souls in my surroundings - I realized that if I had made the choice to live here, I needed to know WHY.

And that's what kept me around. Every day I looked for reasons to stay. And soon, I found them. And the voice inside of me that kept urging me to "leave," began to remind me, "Well, dumbass, you can leave now if you like, but hear this: What if you get there, and all you want to do is COME BACK?"

In other words, the spiritual notions of wanting to "get back to the Garden of Eden," made me realize that I WAS ALREADY LIVING IN THE GARDEN.

I looked around me and - despite the disgust, horror and rage I felt at the actions of the people around me as a whole, not to mention the terrifying past life memories grabbing my brain in a vice-grip - the Sun was shining, the Stars were brilliant in the sky, the Trees were blowing in the Wind, the Birds were singing, and my Cats were purring on a pillow.

I dunno about you guys, but then I thought: Yep, this is heaven. We wanted it this way. We WANTED to feel the wind, to taste the salt water, to feel the touch of skin, to own the magnificence of our very own thoughts, (unknown and unheard by others) - we WANTED to live.

Sure, when I die, I might go to the Source. I might sleep eternally in that blissful congregation of All Souls As One, but I would miss this place. And I'd be willing to bet that I'd want to "come back."

PD, you wise old soul,



HELL YES!

Tara

P.S. About that telepathic communication thing:

Trace, you know I love ya, but there's no way in hell I'd want anyone reading my thoughts! Do you know what I mean? And to be completely honest, girl, I don't think that telepathic communication will ever be possible. What makes us human is our separateness, our need to choose words carefully and communicate with one another despite the 1000 varying thoughts our minds have each minute.

Tara,

You do know that there is NO way I would want anyone reading my thoughts either, right? I know you know how much I value and respect privacy. I think you might have misunderstood what I meant by telepathy. The definition taken right out of Westers dictionary is: "Communication by means of mental processes rather than ordinary means." What I meant by telepathic communication was, instead of me speaking the words to you, I would just send them to you from my brain directly to yours, and you in turn would do the same in reply. A consentual exchange of thoughts and ideas, just as we do when speaking. I never said or meant to imply that one would just go on and take the thoughts from the person's head. I know you know me better than that.



P.S. on liking the skin you're in and finding your own slice of heaven on Earth.

Hiya Trace,

No, girl, I wasn't implying that you support invasion of privacy. And yes, I know you better than that.

However, I still stand firm on my belief that telepathic communication, (as you've described it) is not only dangerous, but impossible. I don't think it will ever occur. Nor would I want it to.

And my reasons for it are as follows:

Let's say that myself and a friend have the ability to telepathically communicate. One day we have an argument. Before I can stop myself, I say in my mind, (and actually mean it, in the moment, because I'm a hothead ): "Buddy, you're an asshole, and I wish we'd never met."

Of course, I don't mean it. But because I've already directed that thought towards him/her, it's too late for me to take it back. Meanwhile, if I'd held that thought in my head as my own alone, perhaps in a while I may have cooled down long enough to change my mind.

Telepathic communication leaves no time for us to change our minds. It gives no mercy for mistakes made, words "thought" in the heat of the moment. Human grace exists in our capability to hold many thoughts, yes, but true grace is knowing when to speak, and when to keep silent.

(And as a whole, until mankind masters the art of GRACE, I don't believe Mother Nature would DARE give us the ability to telepathically communicate!)

Here's another example, for kicks:
"President Bush, you're an idiot."

HOW many people have thought (and said) those very words? If we had telepathic communication - if ONE has it, we ALL have it, right? - then I can't help but think that the man's head would explode. WHICH thought would he hear? Does he have selective hearing, which enables him to hear only those thoughts coming from his wife, his fellow government associates, the people in general? Can he CHOOSE which thought to hear in his head, and block out the ones he doesn't want to hear? Does he dial out a secret access code?

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

And I can't help but add: Before mankind is given any of that kind of ability, we'd better master human kindness and forgiveness FIRST, and when the heck is THAT gonna happen?

Anyway, sunshine If we must agree to disagree, then let's do it. But I'd love to debate it, and hear others' thoughts on the subject? Maria? BlueDove? Chahldean? PiscesDreamer?
Y'all still at the table?



Tara

Hi Tara,

Well phew! That's a relief that we're clear on the invasion of privacy thing. Now we can move on to the friendly debate. I think a lot of the fictional books and movies in the market is what gives telepathy a bad rap. Real telepathy certainly isn't about invasion of privacy or mind control like some of those fictional stories portray.

Telepathic communication does exist between dolphins and whales, and I do believe it exists between animals and people too (even if science is a little slow to admit it - they always seem to be when it comes to the paranormal ). Just look at a set of twins sometime and you'll see what I mean. Not to mention that just in these last 24 hours my partner and I have communicated this way twice, and so have we, sweetie.

Remember those times when we just knew that we had an email waiting from the other before we even opened our in boxes? We were riding a telepathic wave at those moments, my friend. You know when you are listening to that little voice otherwise known as intuition? That's a telepathic exchange between your higher self and you, that you receive when you are in a meditative zone. We receive telepathic communications from the spirit world all the time, through thoughts that pop in your head seemingly out of nowhere, through messages received in dreams, etc etc etc.

Telepathic communication doesn't always flow like spoken communication. There can be a gap in time between the sending and receiving. Much like when you send an email or text message on a cell phone. You type out the message, but the person doesn't actually receive it until you hit the send button and they decide to open & read it. This was my thought when I made that reference to emails and cell phones being the bridge to telepathic communication. Those types of messages are delivered electronically in much the same way a message is delivered telepathically.

I do believe it would be rather difficult to accidentally send out a negative thought in the heat of the moment because to send a thought to a person telepathically, you have to be centered in a meditative state first and then exert the mental energy to send it off to the recipient. Once you're in that peaceful state of mind, it would be much harder for a negative thought to still exist. So yes, there is time to change your mind in between having the thought and going through the process to actually send it through the mental ethers to another person, thank the gods.

The other factor found in EEG's during science experiments testing for telepathic exchanges is the brain wave patterns were the same between the sender and the recipient. In other words, the sender and the receiver must be on the same wavelength in order for the sent message to be received. So to answer your question about President Bush, LOL , yes, he does have selective hearing so to speak and would have to be in tune with the person sending him the thought in order to receive it. And I think many Americans might agree that President Bush is definitely not on the same brainwave as them.

Have I helped to make more sense out of the way I see telepathy? I do believe we all have the ability to consciously communicate this way, but it lies latent in that 90% of our brain we don't use until the time we are ready to use it. Perhaps you are onto something when you say that 'mankind better master kindness and forgiveness first'. It makes perfect sense for humanity to have to complete its evolutionary journey first before we are given a gift of this magnitude.

Anyhow, if you still want to agree to disagree , I'm all for that. I'll love ya no matter what you think and believe. I just wanted you to know all my thoughts on the subject first before we did that. Peace and lots of light, my friend.

hey Trace,

Debate at its finest!!

Hey, I understand what you are saying about "riding the same wavelength" being necessary for the ideal of telepathic communication to exist, (in other words, in its most hoped-for, beneficial state). And yep, I agree with you too on the note that there are indeed those of us who have experienced this already - although in some cases, hmmmm... it may actually be an advanced form of astral travel, as I've thought on occasion.

Whatever it may be, yes, you and I have experienced it, and myself and an ex-roommate of mine had it in spades! And you've also brought up a good point about dolphins and whales.

(Great way to cite precedent!)

But as far as detailed "dialing" and "selective hearing" practises, I cannot wrap my mind around it. We may establish it in certain relationships, but I don't think that, (or is that "believe that"?) mankind will ever be able to design a method of doing this carte blanche. I think the answers, and means to this practise, will be found by those gifted with the ability, but in general, I don't think we're supposed to all have it. Much as the Borg were portrayed in the Star Trek films, I don't think humans are meant to be part of a collective. I think that when we die, SURE, we'll all be "as one," but separately, here on planet earth? I'd prefer to talk!

And what bothers me the most about the notion are the potentially nasty side-effects of people CHOOSING to send negative thought waves towards someone. Whether or not they are on the same wavelength, these "bad vibes" and "nasty-ass verbal curses" that are sent to people from those in states of rage, still manage to get through, in some form or another.

And I do believe that scientists, and certain religions...

- Scientology, I'm looking in YOUR direction! -

are forcing the issue, and in doing so, are putting our human evolution at risk. It feels dangerous, and rather disturbing, (for me, anyway) to think that people are at this very moment working on "mind control/mental thought reform" practises without a good solid spiritual basis, or an understanding of its potential repercussions...

So basically, hmmm, you've given me some things to think about. But I gotta tell ya, something about the whole damn notion still creeps me out. I suppose it's because mankind has yet to master so much more "simple" yet intensely more necessary tasks; ie., understanding, forgiveness, self-awareness, the need to take care of our fellow human beings, etc., that I'm completely against our society's drive to make this happen RIGHT NOW, or even in the near future.

Anyhoo, the library's closing up now, so crap!, I gotta end this quick!

Tara

P.S. Got your email, will send you a longer one tomorrow!