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#162489 - 07/28/08 09:05 PM Reconciliations with Reincarnation
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I've had dreams lately
of cataclysmic disasters...
but what interests me
the most about the dreams
at this moment
is the prominent theme
of reincarnation in them.

In the dreams
I (we~ all of us) live on and on.
Lovers became my children--
through each life
there was a tapestry
of connection...

but, rather than finding
consolation in the
revelation of eternal life,
I find myself (so far)
unexplainably saddened by it.

In the dreams,
I see tsunamis
of enormous scale
wiping out millions (?) of
people,
and although I should
be consoled by the dreams
also revealment of
souls enduring onwards,
to live again and again,
I'm left with a melancholic
longing
for the innocent souls
that must endure such
terror and trauma
and all the loved ones
I know in this life,
lost to me,
without me being able
to help them.

I'm not one at all
to be swept up by
new-age ramblings of 2012
fatalistic predictions,
so these dreams come at me
'out of the blue'.
Yet, I've always been
an apprentice of dreams
and the dream-world,
feeling a strong intuition
of knowing what is 'just a dream'
rather than a prophetic
or spiritually meaning dream.
These dreams feel
very strongly prophetic
(I can't explain why--a feeling)
and spiritually meaningful.
This isn't the first time
I've dreamt about reincarnation,
but the message seems
to become clearer and more
prominent over time.

I suppose why I'm here typing this out
is, I wonder if anyone else
has these feelings of
discontent with the revelation
of reincarnation?
Why am I not consoled by it,
but rather feeling a bit
angry and sad about it?
(not that anyone can answer
my feelings for me)

I mean,
we're thrown out here
in this 'world' where
we're basically entirely vulnerable
and bare; learning/loving
and
everything we come to treasure
is wiped away as meaningless
in an instant.
And on and on we go,
surrendering our souls
for love,
to have it be pulled away
and repear again in an almost
homeogenic, easily refurbished
form.
You know?



I understand the
significance of not clinging
and as well,
the dreams were also
very inspirational
as far as understanding
how very valueless are
man-made structures of society in
the grand scale of what's
really important,

I mean,
when you see a wave of
water 1,000 feet high
coming at you,
in that instant,
there's a terror indefinable
and a perephrial vision
that understands
there is nothing from horizon
to horizon that is meaningful
but SOULS ( heart )
and nothing to do,
no where to run,
but just take a deep breath,

but ...
_________________________
Our truest life is
when we are in dreams awake.

~ Henry David Thoreau



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#162492 - 07/29/08 01:22 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: BlueDove]
anessene Offline
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Hey BlueDove, heart

I, too, have found the revelations of reincarnation to be a major downer, to say the least. It is at once a sobering, and yet, a liberating realization. smile

I'm always astounded by the majority of folks who proclaim to believe in reincarnation, and yet... they still seem to believe that somehow, someway, we'll be able to "escape" this planet and get to heaven, or Eden, or the garden, or whatever modern religion has labelled it. I've discovered that when many people come to the topic of reincarnation, they get to the "cool factor," and never take their souls beyond into the darkness of what reincarnation actually MEANS.

It is one thing to acknowledge that reincarnation is "cool" - that we've all been "someone else" in another lifetime, but I've found that most people have difficulty getting past the fact that IF we are souls which continually reincarnate here on this earth, the theory of a distant, "perfect" heaven - a place we'll all go to when we die - is blown right out of the water!

On a personal note, I can relate to your prophetic dreams and the new dawning of realization that we are all here in some manner or form, forever. In fact, I as well have had many dreams of tidal waves, tsunamis, etc., and you're right; the horror that faces a small and fragile human when faced with a wave of water 1000 metres high is life-altering, isn't it?

I also experienced hundreds of plane crash dreams for most of my life. (They have since ceased, thankfully.) Some might say they were a precognition of 9/11, as many people experienced these dreams, but I've begun to look at things a little differently. In my own opinion, the dreams weren't really a prophecy of what is happening to us literally, or of what IS to happen to us literally, but a symbol of what is happening to us universally, on a subconscious soul level. For example, "crashing to earth without wings," and being "washed away by the enormity of human emotions and the acceptance of human fragility..." heart

As a personal example, when I discovered I had existed in other lifetimes, this sobering fact brought home the reality that - if I've been here before, I'll be here AGAIN. And, did I know this last time? Was I aware of it? Did I know I would come back? Would I have done things differently had I known then what I know now? And would it, in the giant scheme of things, make any difference?

Several years ago, I was seriously contemplating suicide. And no, I don't think of it as a "mortal sin," as I do not subscribe to the common Christian belief that I would go to "hell" if I chose to do so. However, my "hell" did come in the form of acceptance of what I seen in my past lives and what I knew to be true of this one. What kept me from doing the deed was the HORRIFIC realization that if I left, I would indeed come back. And did I want the memory of suicide leaving an imprint on my soul?

I think this is where humanity has lost track of itself. We see reincarnation as a means to explore interesting themes in our lives, spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and physically, but the dark underside of the realization has been ignored. The thought of "forever" is painful to humans. I sometimes think that what humans label "fear of death," is actually our certainty - the inner soul's knowledge, whether acknowledged consciously or not - that REGARDLESS of our wishes and desires of heaven, or the surface fear of a religious-themed "hell," our souls will reincarnate right here, on this earth.

And, what are we gonna do about it? grin

In other words, we WILL die, we WILL be born again, and we WILL live again. In many manners and forms. To accept - TRULY accept, not just live it out as a party game - reincarnation is to accept responsibility for our lives, how we treat others, and most specifically - how we treat this planet.

Anyway, smile while I still grieve for lifetimes lost, and feel small and anxious when I think of lifetimes to come, what gives me solace is the fact that if I choose to go when Mother Earth deems it is time, I know that I will be a part of the mighty plan, (something I DO believe in) and I have to hold faith that when my time comes, it will be for a good reason. And that, when and where I come back, the life I live at THAT time will be part of the mighty plan, too. I will be living my role in the giant story of humanity. heart

anessene smile
_________________________
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.


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#162493 - 07/29/08 11:33 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: anessene]
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I just figure that again and again we'll keep muddling along and hanging on in quiet desperation and all that, and maybe that should make me despair, but at this point, I just figure, "OK, fine." I think that at least - in this lifetime - I have finally gotten past being a drama queen. I have finally learned to tell panic to shut the f up and quit with the histrionics. Of course, that probably means in my next lifetime I'll really get something seriously awful to panic about. wink

heart Maria
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I keep traveling around a bend -- there was no beginning, there is no end.
It wasn't born and never dies. There are no edges, there is no size.

-- George Harrison

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#162497 - 07/30/08 02:05 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: WriteOn]
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hehe, Maria. grin
Maybe once we surmount that
initial challenge,
we can move on to
really experiencing
'life'--
as it is purely
and beautiful in its present
possibilities without
all the complicated scenarios
we give color to.
An ongoing challenge, for sure,
so probably one we're due
to keep reliving and reTurning from.

Anessene rainbowface heart
I really appreciate your post.
Thanks for sharing as you have.
I agree with you
that Heaven as well as Hell
are right in here; inside of us.
And the creation of either
a result of our focus;
shifting (with our focus)
in the corridors of Time.

I think its best if I let
my thoughts take this all in
for a little bit
for now.

I'd had the thought of
how the tsunami might
represent other emotional
elements (and inner battles for such)
I'd been experiencing.

Thanks for giving me lots to
consider. heart








_________________________
Our truest life is
when we are in dreams awake.

~ Henry David Thoreau



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#162500 - 07/30/08 05:29 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: BlueDove]
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A few thoughts to add to the stew ...

I don't think "here" is the only "where" there is. In fact, I feel really clearly, and have felt for a long time, that there are other "wheres" to be. After all, there are billions and billions of stars, and we are star dust. And there are souls who have gone on who I visit sometimes in dreams, who I don't feel have reincarnated again here, but who are accessible somewhere out there. I really cherish the time I get to spend with them in dreams, the little human things, the warmth and love, that passes between us, and I'm utterly convinced these visits are real and not just my dreaming mind reworking memories.

I also don't think that a recognition of reincarnation negates the existence of a heavenly nirvana state at all, to my way of thinking, because my way of thinking not only allows for multiple wheres, but also because I think that in reality, although our perception here is limited and we see through a glass darkly, in the truth of full perception, even now, we are not only here and we are not only now. If God is eternal, as I believe is true, and we are the children of God, as I believe is true, then I believe it is in our nature to be less bounded by here and now than it currently feels like we are.

Regarding dreams, although of someone thankfully still here on Earth with me, I recently dreamt I was somewhere public, where some tough tried to grab ... I don't know, either something of mine that I had with me or maybe it was me he was trying to grab. And I called out for my Dad, who came dashing around the corner as he always does when I need a hand. And so he was grappling with the bad guy, but I quickly became aware that now suddenly instead of me needing my Dad to help me fight off the bad guy, my Dad needed me to help him with the bad guy. And so I immediately rejoined the fray, but still woke up thinking, "Call 911!" Also thinking I wish I weren't so small.

In this life at this time, it is of course my time to be the responsible adult, to be taking on the Blue Meanies. But still of course, aware of smallness and calling out for a greater power...

heart Maria
_________________________
I keep traveling around a bend -- there was no beginning, there is no end.
It wasn't born and never dies. There are no edges, there is no size.

-- George Harrison

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#162502 - 08/05/08 08:53 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: BlueDove]
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grouphug heartBlue Dove heartgrouphug Those are some very powerful and amazing dreams and I, too, believe they are both prophetic and spiritually meaningful, perhaps not only to you, yourself, but to all of humankind collectively. I tend to be one of those who does get caught up in the new age ramblings of 2012 and your dreams seem to be reflecting much of what I've been reading about recently. The basic theme being that we are about to enter a new golden age of mankind. Some of the text I read talked of leaving the 4th dimension and entering the 5th, that's how great this shift is supposed to be. Perhaps your dreams are portending this shift in dimensions that the Mayans prophecied? What do you think? Anyhow, yes, I can see why those dreams have left you feeling sad. One of the factors of reincarnation is death. Without it there can't be rebirth. And it is human to grieve our losses or what we perceive to be our losses. I hope you'll pop back in soon and update us on how you're feeling about your dreams these days. Hopefully a lot better. sun heart

peace heart sun grouphug
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Go confidently into the direction of your dreams! Live the life you always imagined. ~ Henry David Thoreau ~

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#162619 - 09/19/08 01:11 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: Venus]
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hello Venus... Maria. heart

Maria, I tend to believe
that your encounters are much more
than the imaginings of your
dreaming mind as well.
And the possibilities of other-where's
and "times"
are vaster than
our minds can circumference.
Many dreams I believe are Gifts.
Gifts of treasure for us to decipher
and uncover...
even the most traumatic and distressing ones.
Especially the ones of such enduring Love
as yours. heart

Venus,
I hope I didn't offend with my comment
on 2012 ramblings.
Surely there was a softer way I could
have conveyed what I meant.
I also keep an open mind to all I hear
on the subject.
I recently learned the Cherokee calender
also ends at 2012...
it's fascinating to think on how these
diverse cultures, in distance or time,
could have very similiar prophecy.
Was my dream a collective connection
to the Mayan prophecy?
I don't know.
I won't presume,
but imagine the possibility does exist.
Perhaps it was a collection of things
all together at once.
I'm not sure why I came here
with it...
only admit the welling emotion of it
did disturb me.
As well as give me much to consider.
I've since had more dreams...
ones of Doves and Landscape Visions~
my eyes scanning a future world.
I just taking it in in time and wonder.

Thanks for sharing this wonder with me. heart

Love, Lisa
_________________________
Our truest life is
when we are in dreams awake.

~ Henry David Thoreau



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#162638 - 09/23/08 07:42 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: BlueDove]
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Neptune is working over time for sure. smile

There is only 2 things that can over come all the visions, beliefs, lies, facts, hunches, and sadness.

1. We are alive.
Somehow we were born and have the wonder of self awareness.
We can think about impossible things.
We can move and make machines.
There are no rules but ... see #2.

2. The Universe is so hostile as to continuously tear its self to pieces down to the atomic level.
So why we are alive, we should allow as many others to live in piece so we and they can continue being alive for as long as our bodies will allow.
Where we go or what happens after we die is pure speculation from a brain full of useless information.
But that's all we have and none of it is worth dying over. smile

Darwin

But bugs are still not allowed in the house.
And I hate cats. smile

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#162639 - 09/24/08 02:47 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: proxymoon]
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Prox, grin

Quote:
Where we go or what happens after we die is pure speculation from a brain full of useless information.
But that's all we have and none of it is worth dying over.


Dude! thumbs_up
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#162662 - 09/29/08 06:11 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: BlueDove]
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Hi Lisa, wave

You did not offend me at all with anything you said in your prior post. Each person has their own thoughts and beliefs and every single one is special. You gave us a gift when you shared yours with us and I am grateful that you did. That is very interesting about the Cherokee calendar ending the same year as the Mayans and I will definitely look into that next. I hope you will share your other dreams of the Doves and the Landscapes with us sometime. It certainly does seem like it might be a glimpse into the new age beyond 2012. Thank you for sharing your dreams with us. They are a gift I will always treasure.

peace heart sun grouphug
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Go confidently into the direction of your dreams! Live the life you always imagined. ~ Henry David Thoreau ~

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#162665 - 09/29/08 06:32 PM Re: Reconciliations with Reincarnation [Re: Venus]
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Hi,
the site House of Horus I've gone to again and again over the years... and just recently went there to read up on the dream state awareness... So Thoht it might interest some of you if you havn't already been to the site or read this sort of information before, anyone familiar with Dan Winter's writings would recall the words "Bliss" and Bardo state mentioned time and time again would perhaps like to read the concepts more basically here...

Taken from Dr. Charles Muses work on The Lion Path for the 21st Century, at his House-of-Horus site, unfortunately Charles Muses born 1919 passed on in 2000, the legacy's still online though...
cheers
Crazy Daisy
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Bardo Jumping
Every life-bearing world has its own bardo, and this bardo is a faithful mirror-image or reflection of the nature of that molecular world, whatever the mixture of predatory and symbiotic traits that form the warp and weft of its planetary ecology and life-wave. (See also Types of Worlds )

When people walk the Lion Path they are able to do more than "dream true" in the bardo: they can move from one bardo to that of a different and higher (because more symbiotic) type, from which incarnation on a world with greater love and symbiosis in its environment will ensue. People who learn to jump bardos do not forget all they have experienced and learned in prior incarnations. Instead this wisdom is retained in their transincarnational memories. The kind of world in which one will make one's next incarnation is determined by your soul dream or your highest vision:

A full third of all those on earth now walking the planetary Lion Path will reincarnate first on a type-14 or Venus-Sothic world, because their soul dream is to learn how to love more. The therapies of this type of world center on right relationships, or bringing the right pairs together to further their mutual evolution.

A further fifth of those on the planetary Path will next reincarnate on a type-15 or Saturn-Sothic world. These people have the soul dream of learning trustworthiness, which means learning how to consistently act in a loving way, as well as feeling it.

Type-16 or Sun-Sothic worlds will attract a further 13 1/3rd percent of people on the planetary path, because their soul dream is to more deeply connect with their deepest self-nature (the solar strand of the self) and to manifest that kind of awareness.

A further 6 2/3rd percent of these people will reincarnate on a type-17 or Moon-Sothic world. Having already established a strong connection with their higher selves on earth, their soul dream is to develop the lunar strand of the self so that it can maintain a permanent union with the higher self.

Type-19 or Mercury-Sothic worlds will attract a further 6 2/3rd percent whose soul dream is to become initiated into great wisdom, even beyond that which they can realize in themselves. They wish to understand the how and the why of everything, even though they do not as yet have the ability to apply much of that knowledge on a practical and skilled level.

Still others, who already acquired on earth sufficient wisdom about the nature and purpose of life and our inherent potential to evolve into higher life-forms, will be attracted to still higher type worlds where they can be trained to apply such wisdom in increasingly powerful modes.

For example, another 6 2/3rd percent will be attracted to type-20 or Jupiter-Sothic worlds because their soul dream is to learn how to become expert healers of the body. They will be trained as master-physicians and surgeons, learning the use of medicines that have synergistic and complementary side-effects, and how to conduct surgery non-invasively.

The 6 2/3rd percent who reincarnate on type-21 or Uranus-Sothic worlds are attracted there because, although they too wish to become healers, their soul dream is to learn how to tackle disease in its psychic origins and how to protect and heal the body through the healing of the mind and memories. Those who have a great love of animals would tend to be drawn to these worlds also, as it is there that humanity learns how to function in complete communication and harmony with the animal life-forms in the biosphere.

The final 6 2/3rd percent of people now walking the earth's Lion Path will be drawn to reincarnation in a type-32 or Jupiter pre-pleromic world. These people, being aware that all disease and disharmony ultimately arises from disturbances and imbalances at the deepest level of the soul, desire to learn how to direct healing force to the soul itself.

Note that these deep desires or soul dreams can only bring incarnation in a higher type world if one has learned the lessons of all intervening world-types between earth and that specific type. Thus one could not incarnate in a Saturn-Sothic type world unless one had already learned while still on earth how to love enough (the lesson of Venus-Sothic worlds).

Bardo Jumping


"The Soul is a Circle"
Plato


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