Hi all,
I have noticed that quite a few people out there have Aries of some sort, be it the sun, moon or rising sign. I also read a posting that Linda was a triple Aries having Aries in her sun, moon and rising sign. Is there any significance here? I find that quite interesting that Linda had so much Aries. I wonder if it had anything to do with all her gifts and talents that she shared with the world.
(You'll have to pardon me, I am always looking for a connection to things!

Peace,
Kstar

Interesting question, Kstar. My own guess is that it's just the "birds of a feather flock together" syndrome (or as my Aries moon would prefer, "great minds think alike! )

Strong Aries that she was, Linda was a true voice for the "new age," with all the headstrong impetuousness and "out with the old, in with the new" that implies. That's one of the reasons she appealed so strongly to MY generation (yes, your webmaster is an old hipppie), with its innate distrust of the establishment and the whole culture of purely materialistic values. I think that people who share that impatience with old ways of thinking and being, who have at least a little bit of the fiery "spiritual revolutionary" in them, are more likely than the average person to connect with Linda's thinking and be strongly influenced by it. And such people are likely to have strong Aries influences somewhere in their charts.

That's my intuition, anyway. It would be interesting to find out -- if enough people post their sun, moon, and rising signs on their profiles, I'll do a little astrological research and see if the Aries influence here is really as strong among our membership as it seems to be.

There are many, many of us non Arians, (i.e. less vocal), out here who are devoted followers of Linda work. Admittedly, however, the spark of her Aries enthusiasm achieved a somewhat reluctant ignition. For example; I could not for the life of me throughouly empathasise with certain behaviour patterns of hers evident in Gooberz. Although, I did render infinate ammounts of sympathy towards the certain sign that was somewhat maligned throughout the story. In fact two signs in particular did get a bit of a bad press, (does anyone want to dicuss this??),..ah well,..... there are two sides to every story (sometimes more) and divinity is not astrologically exclusive.....

Keep up the commentry people, it is throughouly captivating.
LOVE YOU STILL AND ALWAYS WILL,
Blue xxxxxx

Hi Blue,
As a "non-Aries" follower of Linda's work, I must say that I have noticed that those who do have Aries somewhere just seem to have a natural afinity for these subjects. This is an observation of mine. I do not have Aries highlighted in my chart but my sister happens to have an Aries asc. and she seemed to pick up on and grasp these things better than I. I just figured that there must be some kind of connection there somewhere!

Peace,
Kstar

Thank you, Blue, for your thoughtful, provocative comments. Like you, I believe that divinity is not astrologically exclusive. As a Capricorn, I too didn't identify strongly with a lot of the behavior patterns of the Arian narrator of Gooberz. But that doesn't stop me (or you, it seems) from cherishing the universal wisdom Linda imparted. Whatever the supposed Aries connection is, I would like to hear about it.

I hope you'll keep joining us.

KJS

I don't understand this response ?? Did I offend people by what I said, I was only voicing a different perspective...as for the "vocal" reference; I thouroughly admire Arian qualities, its just that they are quite alien to me, thats all......we all may be headed in the same direction, but some of us just take a different route. Oh dear,..anyway I personally don't respond well to where I'm not wanted so I will graciously step aside......................
Goodbye.

Ohhhh Blue!!

we are all friends here!!theres no one being offended here i think,am i right?

and hey..im a non arian reader of linda and does it even matter,i feel if arians are realted to isis?isnt every god supposed to be equal?i wonder where the word exclusive came in?if isis was great,so will u,me and everyone else be and i wouldnt mind being a soul peice of any entity,for theyre all the same and they all help make gods universe.
tada!hope i solved the misunderstanding!
love
shagun.

Blue,

Sorry to see you go. I think that penetrating questions like yours can only help us find more clarity on these issues. I do believe Linda herself advised her readers to test every one of her claims for themselves. In other words, no one should be a blind follower. To me, your questions have seemed like testing. And that's not offensive.

KJS

Hi Blue,

Just thought this quote from Linda is appropriate. "We should all try to help one another, instead of labeling and attacking one another. Thats what the Aquarian Age is all about. And love too. And peace. And all those good things". This is from Linda Goodman's Love Signs, page 900.

Although I am another Aries... I hasten to add I do not believe that I belong to an elite group... not very Arian of me... we all have our pluses and minuses no matter what sign we are... and I do sincerely hope you will stay with us... we honor your opinion.

So smile and enjoy the site and keep posting.

As a matter of interest Blue what sign are you... where is your moon and ascendant?

*Aries* Kate

I feel just like everyone else here, Blue has an opinion and it should be respected. I had no idea that an observation would result in such banter or I would have kept it to myself. Just as everyone is a different sign, so are we all with different emotions, some more sensitive than others. Not everyone will interpret what is being said in the same way either. But no need for snide or snotty reactions. I thought when I began joining in here that it would be a coming together of people sharing and caring.
I just observed a "natural affinity" with all things spiritual within the Aries sign and thought that I would note it. I in no way was "accusing" anyone of anything. I personally have felt some negative energy here and have not decided yet whether or not I will continue. And no I don't feel that I am being sensitive about this, I just thought that this was a place for people to come and share and celebrate the life and times of Linda. Some of us are not as well received here as others, another observation of mine and that is quite all right, but at the same time, it doesn't go unnoticed.

Peace to all,
Kstar

I'd like to make an observation, followed by an earnest request.

First the observation: in the short time that internet discussion groups have been around, I've NEVER participated in one where arguments and hurt feelings didn't develop, usually over really unimportant matters. Have any of you? What this tells me is that we have a new kind of communication here that is a little bit different from what we are used to, and that we need to learn more about how to handle it gracefully. For one thing, without facial expressions, body language, and all the non-verbal cues we are used to giving and receiving when we talk in person, it is very easy to misunderstand where someone else is coming from. What might seem like a simple statement of fact or opinion to me, might come across as a vicious attack to you. Or an insult, or an arrogant disregard for your feelings; none of which may be what I intended at all. Then, when you respond to what you THINK I meant, it's easy for ME to get bent out of shape at your "inappropriate" response, and away we go! This can get out of hand so quickly that a lot of discussion forums degenterate into nothing more than a lot of cursing, insults, and angry diatribe.

Whatever the reasons -- and I'm personally very interested in understanding them -- the fact is that having internet discussion groups without emotional angst is a very difficult thing.

Now here's the earnest request: let's try.

If ever there was a discussion forum where there was a good opportunity to learn to get past this "curse" of misunderstandings and irritations and hurt feelings on the internet, this is it! We are all here because we were touched by Linda Goodman's wisdom, compassion, and loving kindness. I can think of no greater tribute we could pay to her, than to make her forum the one where people learn to apply the values of tolerance and understanding that she taught, to this difficult new medium of communication, the internet.

How can we do it? Well, I don't have any magic answers, but I think the right approach is to give everyone the benefit of the doubt if someone seems to be saying something that irritates or insults you. Maybe they didn't mean it that way. Don't be quick to respond with your own irritation. If you feel you must say something, say it in a loving way, to HELP that person understand what they did to hurt you or make you feel put down. And if you get such a message from someone, try to hear it and respond positively rather than rushing to defend yourself.

After all, we are here to appreciate and share Linda's vision for the new age, a vision where love and understanding and mutual respect play a big part. If we can be the ones to find the secret of bringing those values to the challenging environment of an internet discussion group, we will have done a great service toward spreading that vision in the hearts and minds of an ever-widening circle of interconnected humanity. Hey, it's worth a shot, no?

Peace and love to all,
Greg

PS - Those of you who are thinking of leaving the forum over this silliness, please reconsider. We need and value you here. Let's build something worthwhile together.

good points, webmaster, but may I just say one thing? I have been watching, not posting. I am a Scorpio sun and moon, but my rising sign is Libra and my sense of justice has made me write something here. I hope you won't mind me beating a dead horse. And as a Scorpion, im not much for mincing words so lets be honest here.

And to those of you who are willing to abandon ship just because there are a few ripples in the water, I have to wonder how serious you are about seeking any kind of truth. Does anyone else agree that the problem with the new age movement is that there is so much focus on everybody loving each other so much that no one is realistic anymore? Love and light and angels are wonderful, but we need to grow up a little bit here. We're all people with opinions, and if someone doesn't agree with what you say, running away with your toys and going home is never going to get you anywhere in the world of spirtual evolution. I can only imagine the kind of opposition that truth seekers and teachers, from Jesus Christ to Linda Goodman, have encountered along their path.

Let us all be adults and continue to have enlightening discussions here. Forgive my Scorpion bluntness. Love, PaulXXXX

Thanks Paul. You make some good points -- although, having been accused of having a "pathological sense of goodwill," I can't really agree that there's ever TOO much emphasis on loving one another. Bottom line is, that's really the most important thing. I do agree, however, that loving others doesn't always mean agreeing with them, not by any means. You can love someone and STRONGLY disagree with them, and that's okay. In fact if you pretend otherwise it's not really a very honest love, is it?

But I don't think that's exactly the problem we're dealing with here. The problem is people SEEING disagreements where none actually exist! In the present instance, no one ever said that Aries natives were divinely superior to natives of other signs. But either Blue mistakenly thought that our Moderator meant that, or SHE mistakenly thought that Blue thought she meant that -- or both -- and so the appearance of a disagreement emerged; but without any real disagreement behind it, it started looking like personal bent feelings rather than a lively discussion about a difference of opinion.

I can vigorously disagree with you about something and debate with you about it 'til the cows come home, and still be your best friend. But if I start feeling like you are misrepresenting what I say, and vice-versa, it's hard to feel comfortable about it. That, to me, is the real problem we need to come to terms with on internet discussions: not genuine disagreements, which are perfectly healthy and can be discussed with good will to everyone's benefit, but the tendency to respond to what we think someone means by what they say. That's what brings it down to a personal level, and creates "disagreements" that can never be resolved because they were never real to begin with. At any rate, that's my present understanding of what happens in these situations. I think it's fascinating. I also think it's very important for us to learn how to deal with it.

And I like your Scorpion bluntness!

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You can't hear it, but I am applauding. I am glad that Gregory stated what is really going on here, and so eloquently at that. Because we can't see facial expressions and other expressions, it is so easy to misinterpret things. I recall my own experience with a bulletin board a year ago where there was so much strife and confused resentment, it just crumbled into cyberspace ashes.

Let us keep the honesty we have found and keep our minds and hearts open.
May we continue to grow in understanding of each other,

LMB

To all,
Gregory, I applaud you - you put it into words the best way possible. Thank you. I would just like to say that I pondered and agonized over what was going on here for over 24 hours before making a statement. I am usually not the type to contest anyone but for that same reason - I have never been involved in internet discussion groups. I have never been able to understand why people must "attack" one another and have up to this point refrained from contributing to bb's and forums for that reason. I truly believe that it is possible for people to share their ideas and opinions without vicious retort. It has always been my way to react with love and compassion as much as possible. Today, although I let my frustration get the best of me and lashed out. For that I am sorry, especially if I have myself offended anyone. But I truly believe that it IS possible to conduct a forum where the discussion can reflect the real reason why we have all come together. Linda Goodman. As Kate quoted Linda, "We should all try to help one another instead of labeling and attacking one another.." Thank you Kate. I could not have said it better myself. Scorp Boy- thank you for your opinion. I stated that I was not sure whether or not I wanted to continue in this forum. The reason behind it being the negative vibrations I was feeling. As I said, I am very in tune to all kinds of energy, positive or negative and I don't deal well with negative energy. That is who I am and of course my choice to align myself with positive energy vibrations as much as possible. If I have a choice, I will ALWAYS choose the positive over the negative. That was what I was referring to in my indecision about staying or moving on. Nothing less and nothing more. As an individual born on the 2nd, my intuitions are very strong. My gut feelings usually do not fail me. I am a natural harmony-loving person who's motto is: "Can't we all just get along?"
I have enjoyed meeting and chatting with people who feel that same way I do about a GREAT lady whom we all adore. And although I am "new" to this type of communication, I sincerely hope that it will continue to be a place where we can share and learn and teach one another. I think we have a diverse group of people here, with varying levels of knowledge and understanding. To some of us just learning, it can be at times a little intimidating. But can we fight the stereotypical discussion board and try to shed a little light and love instead of succumbing to be destined to be just like all the others? I am game if any of you are.
Wiping the slate clean,
Kstar

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First, I am very appreciative of all who are taking the time to generously share their perspectives and experiences on this forum. To be honest, this is the only message board I've ever seriously contributed to because it's the only one I've encountered that is dedicated to the ideals I aspire to. No, we won't always agree on the finer points, and I think Greg is on the money that this medium of communication is ripe for misinterpretations. Not only do we lack the immediacy and intimacy of conversation, we are also limited by the time we can spend posting messages. Given that, we may present our ideas in skeletal form--after all, we ain't writing dissertations here! And without all the gaps filled in, it's easy to misunderstand one another.

For example, I could see how someone might have misinterpreted the necessarily abbreviated information shared regarding the Aries connection. I never personally believed she was suggesting or implying astrological exclusivity, but on re-reading my own responses, I could see how someone may have assumed that I did, based on what I said (or didn't say).

Ultimately, though, I'm here for the growing and knowing, even if it gets a bit rough at times. So I'll be sticking around, and I hope everyone else will too.

Kind regards to all,
KJS

I am all for moving forward with a clean slate!

Now, can we PLEASE hear more about Isis and Osiris? Maybe on a clean topic board?

Hiii Everone!!

haha!i was just wondering,something funny but real...this sure IS a martian ruled thread!!One moment something flares up and the second moment everythings ok!!I think thats one major positive for mars,shouldnt we say?!!

three cheers for the'clean slate'!!
love
shagun

Dear People,

If you would just give me a moment then I'm sure some of this weirdness can be cast aside. First of all, I am a Gemini Sun with my moon and ascendant in Scorpio, Mercury is also in Gemini and both my Sun and Mercury are in the Eighth House and my moon is in the Twelveth house. The latter is a response to Aries Kate and also bears significance relevance to what i'm about to say.

Secondly and most importantly I need to clarify certain statements which have been misconstrued. Gregory rightly identified the actual problem as being a misunderstanding NOT a disagreement. When I said the divinity was not astrologically exclusive, that particular statement came from what had immediately preceeded it and which was the crux of the posting but which no-one has actually picked up on, that being my empathy for the Gemini and Scorpion essence represented in Gooberz. Additionally, I am constantly drawn to Arians romantically and platonically and it seems that I am destined to relive certain aspects of that story, both the joys and the triumphs that result from the combination of Mercury and Mars, (with large doses of Pluto thrown in for good cryptic measure). So the statement about astrological exclusivity was a reflection on the bad press which I feel Gemini's and Scorpio's get alot of the time and as I am heavily influenced by the essence of both I have personalised this discontent. Furthermore, I am not trying to say that anyone (including Linda herself) actually has gone out of their way to misrepresent either of the two signs, its just that the practical reality of the situation is that we all know what Gemini's are like and they do get them selves into alot of trouble and I do often mumble to myself as confirmation and justificantion of my personal mischeif-making nature;
"You can't rely on Gemini,
And you never know with Scorpio."

And as for the claims about running away for sillines and being detered by a few ripples in the waves all I can say is that my fast footed Gemini Sun is always ready to take the back door when discomfort surfaces, what can you do, its all in the Stars. Anyway, I feel that far too much attention has been focused on what was essentially an inconsequential posting of mine and my Geminian and Scorpion need for anonymity has been lost somewhat..so no more will be said about such a trivial misuderstanding (other than what do you expect an Aries and a Gemini to do when their conversing??) Incidentely, for those of you who are wondering about the "less Vocal" comment I made earlier, now that I have revealed myself astrologically (something which pained me to do but I felt obliged) clearly it was not a reference to myself, a Sun Mercury conjunction in Gemini is hardly going to be loquasciously challenged now are they? I was just adopting the polarized view as I am compelled to do. Now everything has been cleared up we can forget about it. One postive thing that could arise now is that a persistent question that I have has been brought to the forefront of my mind by this recent mishap and may possibly be answered. For all you Arians out there what do you possibly construe to be the lesson infered from the Arian Gemini love affair in Gooberz that ended in tragedy...and what do Arians honestly think about Gemini's (I'm involved with an Aries now so I need to probe)

Anyway, Peace to you all out there,
And I'm sure Linda is looking on fondly at our childish antics XXXXXX
Blue.

I have a question about Geminis. My family consists of Capricorn (myself), 2 Cancers, a Leo, an Aquarian and a Gemini. I am only sure of the ascendants and moons of myself and my sister. But we have all encountered troubles in dealing with my Gemini brother. By troubles, I mean that he does not like to participate in being part of the family. He is very much a loner and the majority of us feel as though he is a "stranger" to us. My Aquarian brother perhaps being the only one who gets long with him the best. I wish I knew the asc. and moon sign. We all consider him to be quite a "genuis" and very highly intelligent. Could you perhaps shed a little light on this for me? This has puzzled me for so very long.

Peace and love,
Kstar

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Hiii Everyone!!

I guess the clean slate...really looks too clean these days!!

where is everyone in this thread?!!!!

love
shagun

I think I know the answer to your pop quiz. First, all four signs are of a different element. Cancer being water, Capricorn: earth, Gemini: air, and Sagitarius: fire. But, more specifically, Cancer and Capricorn are both Cardinal signs, and Gemini and Sagitarius are both mutable signs. Let me know if I'm on the right track.
Love,
Isis

To add to what Isis said, Capricorn-Cancer and Sagittarius-Gemini are opposites on the astrological wheel. Does this have something to do with what is special about oppositions, that though being very different, they share something important in common?

As a side note, I (Capricorn sun, Virgo moon, Aquarius rising) am married to a wonderful man with a Sagittarius sun, Aries moon, and Gemini rising. He's somewhat older than I but is quite fun and spirited. When he was younger, he definitely lived as the prototypical Sagittarius with a strong Gemini influence. In fact, he has 7 planets (incl. rising) in fire, 2 in air, 2 in water, and 0 in earth. He's much more settled now that he's older. The five years before he met me were very torturous for him, so he has really been purified in the fire, I think. I wonder if Karen-Star's Gemini brother might become a little more family oriented as he gets older or confronts more life challenges. Any predictions?

Best,
KJS

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KJS we can only hope that things could change with age, he does happen to be 40 now. KJS, I do see that your husband and yourself both have "air" rising signs. I am sure that helps you in your relationship.

But I am always hopeful and try to look on the bright side of things. I will mention that it infuriates my Cancer sister more than I and I am guessing because of Cancer being a emotional water sign. I think it would be interesting and insightful to learn the rest of his natal chart and I am going to try to obtain the information. I think having all of the pieces of the puzzle will bring more perspective to the picture.

Peace,
Karen

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I have tried to post this reply several times but each time i am sabotaged by electronic mishaps....curious (yet stranger things have happened I'm sure)

Thank-you for you olive branch, it was accepted before it had even been offered!!. I was very saddened to hear of your past hurts with Gemini's, I also felt somewhat guilty as it made me think of all the Arians I've know and loved in my life and I prayed that I had never hurt any of them the way your Gemini's hurt you. Also, I am aware of the gender difference with the association but I not sure why this would be the case, I sense it but I can't articulate it logically....I will be avidly awaiting the publication of your work on this subject, as it bears a specific karmic relevance to my life (and many others I suspect). I don't really know what to say about Gemini's other than we just want to be free and its seems that that request alone is the source of infinite ammounts of pain when we get involved in emotional relationships. I know that most Gemini's are kind and friendly and they really don't intend to hurt people and it does disturb us (I know other G's too) that we do so so often. As for the Scorpio/Gemini combination, in my own very personal experience I can say that the latter usually manifests itself in major obsessive tendancies, I think that the Scorpion intensity channels itself into some serious overtime in the mental dept, but it may be different for others.
To everyone out there, if at times I do sound offish or lacerating please do forgive me for letting my airy detachment get the better of me, it may also be the result of the cold English reserve rubbing of on me. (As soon as destiny permits I'm going to run away to California, where its HOT and people are FRIENDLY!!) Anyway, don't take me too seriously I'm just some silly Gemini girl in London who dosen't know much about anything except that I LOVED Linda Goodman and her books massively, and I hold them dear to my heart....
Take care,
Blue.

Hi Blue,

Great to hear your still out there and posting with us all.

That cold London weather can't be too enjoyable!

*Aries* Kate

Hi Blue,

Great to hear your still out there and posting with us all.

That cold London weather can't be too enjoyable!

*Aries* Kate

Dear Aries-Kate, Its very kind of you to make two postings, one for each twin!!, (even if it wasn't intentional it was an endearing mishap). Everything here is GREY, and thats not just the weather. All the people I'm surrounded by think that it is intellectually unsophisticated to believe in Astrology and the other Magics, they think that it is indicative of some kind of "peasantry" superstition thats long since been transcended. They quote Karl Popper's theories of pseudo-science and falsificationism and I just say "for everyone thats gone astray, someone will come and show the way.." This web-site is my only link to the REAL WORLD, keep up the great work everyone.
I believe that Linda cited England as an Aries country in the back of Love Signs, anyone see the connection..??
I think all the magic must be in Stonehendge, I might go down there to recharge my batteries soon,
Bye-bye,
Blue.

Hey everyone!!

a lot of drama going on in this thread, but i'm glad everything turned out ok. in regards, to the loner thing about geminis, i also have a brother that is kind of a loner type. well, he's very distanced from my family, and seems to be the loner in my family. but, he does have a LOT of friends and spends all his time with them. he has been this way since he was very young. well, his sign is Virgo, and he has a leo sister(that's me), and another taurus sister. by dad's a capricorn and my mom's a aries. anyway, the does the astrological dynamics in our household make him into the loner of the family??

also with the sagitarrius thing, i used to go out with a saggi, and he was not a loner type at all! in fact, he was very close to his mother, who's a cancer. he has no problem settling down. i do notice that he does, of course, have many saggi qualities. however, what accounts for his more tamer nature?? the ascendant or moon signs??

Skylah