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#55728 - 06/28/02 08:46 PM Vertex....What's your purpose?
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I was looking through some of the famous charts on my astrology programme, the Vertex seems to be the most telling of the career and pubilc notorioty...

check out some of these:
5th house Vertext
Marlyn Monro
Madona
Henri Matisse
Judy Garland
Montgomery Cliff
Lee Harvey Oswald
Opra
Pavarotti

Vertex 6th
Kissenger
Motzart
Marie Stopes
Oscar wilde
Navratalova
Orson Wells (but only just in the 6th/5th)

8th house vertex
Mark David Chapman (the man who shot Lennon)
JFK
Jackie O'
Tolouse Lautrec

Vert 9th house
Yihudi Menuhin

Where is your Vertex....and how do you think it applies to you?

Lov n hugs

Lis


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#55729 - 06/28/02 09:08 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: tinkerbell]
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Hi Tink

How do you know where your vertex is? Haven't learned that yet. Where can you find info on this??

Thanks!

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#55730 - 06/28/02 09:21 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Libra_Sun]
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Hi Chrissie,

If you are using www.astro.com, then go into the extended chart option...

There are 4 option boxes on the right hand side of the page.

The first picks the chart you want...pick natal,

2nd is the style...use either the default or the student one

The thirs option is the house system pick the one you want (placidus, Koch or Equal are the most popular I think)

The 4th option is a box option where you can highlight a specific additional item ont he chart...Vertex is on there.

Then just run the chrt...it's the item with Vtx or somthing along those lines.

hope this helps

Lis


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#55731 - 06/28/02 09:28 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: tinkerbell]
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8th house vertex for me. In Leo... No spotlight for this crab. Too much attention

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#55732 - 06/28/02 11:52 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Incanus]
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Hi Tink

This is what I read...I think I did it right.
What do this mean??

My Vertex is on 28° Virgo, in my 6th House...which...
conjunct Mercury 27° (in Virgo) in 6th house,
sextile Jupiter 18° (in virgo) 6th house,
trine Neptune 29° (in libra) 7th house.
trine Pluto 29° (in Leo) 5th house.

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#55733 - 06/29/02 01:24 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Libra_Sun]
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Hey guys...

My Isp is playing up a little this evening .

Chrissie I am a 6th house Vrt to. Mine is conjunct my Saturn and Chiron.

Inc 8th house...wonder what that one is all about.

I thought it was interesting with the famous people I didn't check all the ones I have access too but there sure is a lot of them.

Lov n hugs

Lis


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#55734 - 06/29/02 01:43 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: tinkerbell]
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Hi Tink!

Is there a book available that covers and analyzes vertex and asteroids? Also about POF.
Don't know much about these subjects.

6th house vertex seems to look OK, looking at the list you have.

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#55735 - 06/29/02 03:53 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Libra_Sun]
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Hi Tink and Cristina,

I was looking on the web because this caught my interest also after I saw this thread. But, I couldn't find much of anything on analyzing vertex except for some short definitions.

Vertex is on 25° Leo, in my 7th house. Any meaning to this?

Thanks,
Sabra


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#55736 - 06/29/02 07:10 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Sabra]
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My Vertex is in 8th house Cancer, 15 deg.

Sextiles, my Sun, Moon, Jupiter, Significance?

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#55737 - 06/29/02 07:13 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Enigmatic Soul]
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Hi Gang

Chrissie Now the Vertex...is a whole different pond of paranhas than astroid. There are a few good books on astroids...if you ask Cat she may be able to recommend on to you...I have not gone into theses...there is one by some lady, Bradley I think was the name if memory serves me correctly. PoF is one of the arabic parts, there is a book by Zollar or Zoller that covers these, however if you look at the Pof as beign a point in your chart rather than a planet. IT ahs not orb if another planet has an aspect to it then it comes into paly, it's a small jupiter where you luck lies.

As for the Vertex well I think there are a few good web links which I will try and track down. I bleive it's something to do with life path. I will hunt a link .

Hey Sabra and Enigma...I think we need to concentrate on houses and then cover palnets aspecting them

8th house is all about joint resources, how you share things, inheritance, death, mergers and taxes etc.

7th house is all about personal relationships and close bonds.

So Jackie O' although previous first lady, remains more focused in the public mind because of JFK death and Onasses weath...i.e. someone elses money .

Ok I will see if I can find a vertex link

Lov n hugs

Lis


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#55738 - 06/29/02 07:35 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: tinkerbell]
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#55739 - 06/29/02 08:14 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: tinkerbell]
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Hi Everyone

The Vertex Point:

The Vertex point is found on the right side of the chart, and has been called an "unconscious Descendant," and is a very sensitive point having to do with relationship and partnership matters. Another person's planets conjunct one's vertex can be highly significant in a relationship. Vertex midpoints in synastry also pertain to the nature of close relationships. Conjunctions to the Vertex and Vertex midpoints in synastry often have a "karmic" feeling about them.

And some more info.....

. The Vertex
The Vertex is not a planet. It is an intersection of the ecliptic with the prime vertical (Nadir) in the West. In an astrological Chart, The Vertex always appears in the Western Hemisphere of the chart, usually through Houses 5-8. Because of the location of the Vertex in the West, the nature of the Vertex is about the "relating" principle. The house the Vertex is located in your own birth chart will define the types of relationships you seek or draw into your life and how you utilize the principle of relating in all of your relationships.

When people you meet have planets conjunct your vertex or visa versa you will see something special about them...and you do not usually forget the person. There is an instant connection on some level and for some specific purpose. The nature of the relationship can be intense and have a sense of fatedness. It seems that the vertex attracts important or fated people and events into our lives. Examples: If ones person's Mars is conjunct (the same astrological degree) your own Vertex you will probably think that person to be very sexy/sexual and connected with their dynamic energy. The may either incite or excite you! When a person's Saturn is conjunct your Vertex, they may be somewhat "stabilizing" or offer some sage advice to you. You may look up to this person for the discipline, lessons or structures they bring into your life or visa versa. We do not always welcome the lessons or Saturnian energy one brings to a relationship.

And here's a couple of vertex links for you.
Love
Sue
http://www.astrology.ca/lessons/vertex.html
http://www.thezodiac.com/notworth.htm
http://finblake.home.mindspring.com/bfvertex.htm
http://www.geocities.com/giastrosvcs/FeatureArchives/VertexTheory.htm


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#55740 - 06/29/02 08:41 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Cat]
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somehow I can`t sense the importance of Vertex that much...more over in natal chart
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#55741 - 06/29/02 08:48 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Jazze]
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Hey bissie

I don't tink it's meant to be felt as such, I think it's more or less how you are seen to the outside world, I am not really up on it.

Cat thanks for the link, at the mo I am looking at natal placements rather than relationships. Interesting that JFK's is in his 8th not his 10th...one would figure that a politician would have a 10 hosue placement. The whole 5th hosue palcement makes perfect sence to me....leave your mark through creativity.

Intersting stuff though

Lov n hugs

Lis


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#55742 - 06/29/02 09:35 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: tinkerbell]
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Hi Tinks

One of the links gives natal chart placements and also transit effects.

It's interesting.
Love
Sue

Hey Bissie


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#55743 - 06/29/02 09:39 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Cat]
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Yes Cat...

I saw that one...interesting although it has to be said I don't feel it personally, but then I susepct saturn screws me over to an extent cos I sure don't feel chrion natall or aspects to it...but I can see aspects from transiting Chrion. Weird egh

Lov n hugs

Lis


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#55744 - 06/29/02 10:58 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: tinkerbell]
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Hi Everyone!!!

Well... My vertex is unaspected at 13 degrees Cancer in my 8th house. Honestly, I've never really delved deeply into vertex meanings, so I'm not entirely sure how it may affect my life... It doesn't really seem to affect it much at all really. I haven't ever had anything to do with death, sex, or joint finances, so I honestly wouldn't know.

*hugs* for all!!!
Carrie

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#55745 - 06/30/02 12:07 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: enchantress299]
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Hi Everyone!

Thanks Sue for the explanation and links!!

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#55746 - 06/30/02 08:57 PM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Libra_Sun]
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Hi all,

Thank you for the links and information Tink and Sue . Now I have to catch up on reading about this topic.

Sabra


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#55747 - 07/01/02 04:00 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Sabra]
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For those die-hards who want to understand what the Vertex "really" is ( ), here's an explanation of the Horizon system of coordinates that we base our horoscopes on. The Horizon system is composed of a "celestial sphere" which can be visualized as a great sphere surrounding the Earth. All of the points on Earth map to equivalent points on the celestial sphere, which contains the various "great circles" that define an astrological chart.


The simplest picture of the horizon system, above, shows the celestial sphere (a projection of the surface of the earth) defined by the North and South poles, the Equator, and the Meridian (longitude) on which you were born. The red X is the point directly above the place on Earth where you were born, and is called the Zenith.


The Earth is "tilted" approximately 23.5 degrees as it travels around the Sun.


The plane that the Earth and all the planets travel in as they move around the sun is called the Plane of The Ecliptic. It is this plane that is divided up into the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

(continued in following message)

Love,
Greg

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#55748 - 07/01/02 04:04 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Gregory]
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The astronomical horizon system, part 2


The plane of the ecliptic bisects the Earth as it travels around the Sun. The ecliptic (red circle) is the third "great circle" in the horizon system ofr coordinates.



From the point on Earth where you are born (beneath the Zenith) the Horizon appears to be another great circle bisecting the Earth from that point of view. Where the Horizon intersects with the Equator is the point due East of the birthplace, called the Equatorial Ascendant. (For those in the Northern hemisphere, it is just north of the Ascendant where the Sun and all the planets appear to "rise" along the ecliptic.)



The final great circle in the Horizon system is called the Prime Vertical. It is the circle drawn through the Equatorial Ascendant, Zenith, and Nadir. Where the Prime Vertical intersects the Ecliptic in the West is called the Vertex. Here the opposite of the Vertex is shown, the Anti-Vertex.



To see the actual Vertex, we have to extend the Prime Vertical and Ecliptic to show the other half of these great circles on the other side of the Celestial Sphere. As you can see, this point is 180 degrees away from the Anti-Vertex. Since the Ecliptic is the plane of the Zodiac, in this example you can see that the Vertex would be in the 8th house. It is almost always in the 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th House.

Whew!

Love,
Greg

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#55749 - 07/01/02 04:18 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Gregory]
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Hi Greg,

This is great!! Thank you for the cool graphics and taking the time to explain this. Gives me a greater understanding from a different perspective.

Sabra


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#55750 - 07/01/02 04:36 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Sabra]
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WOW!!!! Thanks Greg!!!
Now...How would I/we interpret the vertex with its relation to the houses, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, ??.
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#55751 - 07/01/02 08:47 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Libra_Sun]
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Cristina, I don't personally use the Vertex in natal interpretations. It's a pretty recent addition to Astrology, having only been identified in the 20th century, so it's not really used in classical astrology at all. Some of the theories presented in the links and discussions above are interesting and sensible, but I can't really verify them from personal experience.

What I have noticed is that the Vertex does seem to be a sensitive point that can be triggered by synastry with another person's chart, or by transits and progressions. The kinds of events or relationships triggered depend more on the sign placements than houses, although the house placement of the Vertex appears to contribute an elemental quality: fire for a 5th house Vertex, Earth for a 6th house, Air for 7th and Water for 8th.

Love,
Greg

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#55752 - 07/01/02 10:22 AM Re: Vertex....What's your purpose? [Re: Gregory]
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Thanks Greg! I've been gathering reference materials to keep my mind open on the various subject in astrology.
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