Hiii Friends!!

Yknow ever since linda wrote about Jesus,i have been fascinated by him.Everything about the man he was,the christ is all so...magical!

I remember as a child i used to feel a strange longing for the church.Now i am from a different religion and that used to confuse me so!I would just kneel beside his statue and look up and ..talk..to him.Not pray..but talk...and i felt..oh so peaceful and full of love after that!

I would so love to hear or discuss any information or knowledge about my favourite star...Jesus!!

Anyone willing to join in?

A starry eyed fan
shagun

Amen, Kathleen!

I have to disagree with you. I never liked the fact that linda used all this dark knowledge and yet had this sanctimonious attitude. All magic, numerology,astrology etc... is the realm of the dark! She, like so many other Wiccans and "white occultist" are playing the devil's game but refusing to take his name!

Dear Tino & Veronica,

I respectfully disagree with your opinon that numerology, astrology, etc., are dark or evil. Rather, they are neutral systems that help us gain deeper understanding of ourselves, others, the cosmos. Whether these systems are used for good or evil depends entirely upon the user. I sincerely believe that Linda Goodman advocated the use of such systems in order to bring more light to our struggling planet. I've never had any sense of her being anything other than pure of heart, and I feel she used astrology and numerology in that spirit.

As a side note, you've been very interested in The Lion Path. Do you realize it is entirely based upon astrology?

Kind regards,
KJS

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Laurentino and Veronica, I'm curious where you got the idea that these arts are "dark." And, along with KJS, I'm curious why you yourselves seem very interested in them if you truly think they are.

As for Linda's "sanctimonious" attitude, it's hard to see how anyone could call appreciating Jesus' teachings of wisdom and love sanctimonious. That word is usually associated with people who profess a "holier than thou" attitude ... which might describe some people who condemn the ideas of others as dark or evil, but certainly not someone who sees the good in all.

I'm truly interested in your viewpoint -- however, I do respectfully request that if this is meant to be the start of a religious debate, this is not the proper forum for that.

First of all, Gregory and to all, the topic "Jesus" is most definately an issue of a religious idea and is apperently something to have a debate on if brought upon on this site. I find it dishearting that since Shagunj opened his "gates" then why can't we open ours. I agree that this is really not a forum to discuss religious differences, but it should be noted that if one form of idea is expressed then all forms of ideas should also be. If i'm not mistaken I do beleive that christains condemn all forms of non-christain ideas and teachings, i.e. numerology, astrology and all forms of magic. We highly respect Linda's teachings but we do beleive that to have wonderment and success in all of her teachings, we DO NOT HAVETO EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST to reach our goals. We are proud SATANIST and our lineage runs a millennia before the christain bible. IF you want to know more about this philosophy please visit: www. coscentral.net/main.html. or even better, The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey.
Hail Satan!

Further more Linda Goodman would most diffinately have been burned at the stake and labeled a heretic and a witch. Now please understand that we are on a quest to be immortal and therefore Gods. Something that the bible would condemn. We are Gods. All of us.
The bible has a deathist mentility and Jesus preached that the ONLY WAY is through him. That the only way to their God is through death. They believe that immortality is only in a spiritual sense, which we also believe, but we all know that physical immortality is achievable.

Tino & Veronica, please understand this: spirituality is an acceptable topic for discussion in these forums, religion is not. Regardless of your religious beliefs, you are welcome to join with us in exploring Linda Goodman's life and ideas, her writings, and her vision for the coming age. You are not welcome to proselytize for any religion, whether Christianity, Wicca ... or Satanism. That's all "us" and "them" talk that divides people rather than bringing them together, and that's exactly what Linda was trying to point the way beyond. We respect your right to your own religious beliefs, whatever they may be. We ask for the same respect in return, for the purpose and direction of these forums.

This is our last remark on this topic. if you want we can e-mail each other to continue. To Kathleen ... our founder, Anton laVey, used "Satan" as a metephor for a symbol to recognize the great force of nature. Lets leave it at that ...
With lots of "bushels of bunnie hugs". We all love. Have a laugh folks. it will help.

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Tino and Veronica, I edited your last message simply to remove the anger and insults. That is what we wish to avoid on this forum, not healthy differences of opinion offered in a spirit of love and helpful communication. And it is light and love that are our chosen focus here.

I understand the points you are making, and I agree with some of them. I would welcome a dialog with you in private correspondence, as perhaps some others would. But my experience is that "debates" about religion always end up with people being angry and insulting one another, as was starting to happen here, and we simply don't want that vibe on this forum. This is not a free-for-all soapbox, it is a forum to discuss the life, works and ideas of Linda Goodman. Thanks for understanding.

Gregory we did not know that we were not supposed to answer to the "attacks" that were directed to us. We were simply stating another opinion on Jesus. If we posted a topic on the "devil" I'm sure that it would have been had the same effect upon the readers as the topic "Jesus" had on us.

Please answer this legitamate question as you edited it out in our last reply:
Do you beleive that Jesus is a spiritual topic.

Tino & Veronica,

I'm afraid I don't understand how you can find so much to challenge because Jesus has been brought up on the LINDA GOODMAN web site. Linda was an avowed fan of his, which is made quite clear in her writings. However, she did not buy into the Christian dogma that Jesus was any more divine than the rest of us. In fact, she referred to him as an exalted human, a state which any of us could attain if only we would sincerely try.

Further, and as Linda herself stated, the Christian Bible has been very distorted over the centuries. It has been mistranslated, misinterpreted, misquoted, etc., so to use that document as the last word on what Jesus taught is quite erroneous. And by the way, most references to astrology that originally existed in the Bible were expunged. I would advise you to consult some alternative opinions on Jesus and his teachings. In my view, Jesus himself was not Christian in the commonly defined way and would not advocate any of the atrocities committed in his name.

Indeed, Jesus is a spiritual figure and one that Linda herself referred to, so it seems quite appropriate that he should become a topic of discussion on her site.

KJS

Thank you KJS, for answering that question brilliantly.

Tino and Veronica, I am impatient that you are not willing to let this go and move on. As you might imagine, I have been asked by many to prohibit you from posting here, but I have not done that because censorship is anathema to my soul ... as it was to Linda's. However, this forum does have a purpose and a focus, and I have asked you courteously several times to please respect that focus. This is the last time I will ask.

I completely agree with you that great atrocities have been and are still being committed in the name of organized religion -- and not just the Christian religion, by any means. Arguing about religion has caused great human misery throughout the course of human history. That is why we do not want arguments about religion here. If you want to extol the spiritual virtues of a teacher or leader you admire, regardless of his or her religion, you are more than welcome to do so. If you want to put down the spiritual teachers of others, or insult them for their beliefs, you are not welcome to do so here. This forum is not for argument, it is for appreciation of Linda's works and ideas, and for mutually supportive discussion of these ideas among fellow admirers. Please choose either to respect that or to move on to a forum that is more to your taste.

Hi Friends!

whats going on in here?!!!!!!Im truly shocked!!

I came here seeing 14 posts thinking that wow...today im going to know so much more about someone i love and respect so much....and i see this!!amazing!

Im very hurt,very shocked!

Hey Tino and Veronica,im not discussing this man on the basis of ANY religion whatsoever!!Imyself am a hindu in religion,so why would i cause a religious dispute?!

I just LOVE this man,this person,this human that he was!which is why i started this thread!i simply d NOT see him as a powerful god,but as my friend and someone who loved so much!!
This site ,my friends is ALL about LOVE and friendship and i agree with greg,kjs,kate and everyone else that this is NOT a religious forum!
Have u loved ur husband,ur sister,ur friend,ur son,etc?well,this thread and this site is all about that and astrology,numeology etc are just a few paths and ways to get to it!!But ultimately ,we all go there,thru any route,be it satanism,hinduism or christianity.and the goal is LOVE!!!!

Im sure hope u realise this and give it a good thought!and please....dont say such upsetting things,it hurts us ALL here!!we dont want to hurt u beleive me and we would like that u dont too.

Well,friends,im a lil shocked that one of my favourite topics and its thread has started off on the wrong foot...I only hope that it inspires only love in the future.

well,im off to meditate a little...be back in a while!!!
love
shagun.

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has an opinion on what Jesus' spiritual connection was to his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. I don't have my trusty LG resources with me right now, but I recall that Linda believed the two Marys were pieces of the same soul. Thus, both women were his Twin Selves or Twin Souls or Soul Mates. I think Linda said the same about Arthur and Lancelot in relation to Gwynnevere (please forgive the mangled spelling). I'd surely love for Kathleen to shed some more light on Mary Magdalene for us. Do any of you believe, as my Mormon friends do, that Jesus was married to her?

KJS

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I would just like to ask some question, which those of you who have infinate more knowledge on the subject matter may be able to answer.
I have been lead to believe that the Jesus story was in reality far more political than the Christian Church has ever yeilded, ..something to do with Jesus having a direct claim to the throne in Israel through his direct lineage to David ?? And I have been also told that crucifixion was punishment only given for political offences, depicting Jesus as some kind of original revolutionary and Simon was a zealot as I recall. The glorification of Jesus was something orchastrated after his death by the romans who used it as a tool to exercise anti-semitism, and later institutionalise it in the Catholic Church which has consistently tried to strip Mary and the apostles of their Jewish heritage, something which is harded to do with Jesus because of his relation to the prophicies of Isiah ??
Also what happened to the Essenes, is it true that they relocated in India ???
Please can someone enlighten me on these issues, I have been aquainted with the Jesus story since I was a little girl and I do sense that this dear, sweet wonderful man has been misrepresented and abused for far too long!
Light and Love and Happiness shall prevail forever !!!!!
P.s. to Shagun this may not be the right place to ask but I have had my chart done by a Hindu Astrologer, which had to be translated from Sanskrit and I wondering if you know what the differences are between Hindu and western Astr. and why they exist.
PEACE XXXXXX & LOVE XXXXXX

Hiii Blue and KJS!!!

boy...am i glad u guys came along!!i was dying to discuss this topic!!

hmmm...i think ill try to answer a fw questions here,but if im wrong..i want the moderaters or one of my member friends to please check me.here goes...

I feel that Mary Magdalene was the original'snowflake half'of jesus,his twin s-elf.And Mary mother one of the 14 peices of either jesus's own soul or Mary Magdalenes soul(read gooberz for split peices).Guinevere and Lancelot could also have been twin halves and arthur a twin soul!Which is why guinevere ,probably felt more drawn to lancelot than to arthur,although arthur too was a major attraction...so the dillemmma.It is said that arthur or Lancelot were soul peices of Jesus(in another incarnation of course)and Guinevere was Mary(this time no split peices).but yknow what...it could be the other way round...what if lancelot and arthur were split peices of Mary's soul incarnated as the male gender,while jesus's soul incarnated as guinevere?someone will have to figure that out.

It is said that during jesus's lost 15 years he was tempted by everything...and this was the period where he did marry Mary Magdalene.Gooberz does mention this KJS.read it carefully.

Blue...i dont know about the political aspect of jesus but yes,it is said that during his 15 lost years,he did learn from the essenes and then preached in India too,on the banks of the Ganga,the holy river.I dont know whether the essenes were located in India though.

Hey Kathleen,please do check me and fill us up on the gaps and mistakes!I feel funny writing so much,piscean inside me is trembling really.but oh i just love to share everything here!!

And yes blue...the sanskrit chart.Well,i have one in sanskrit too and im simply dying to convert it to english!haha!funny arent i?but yknow its very tough to translate in english unless u dont have certain books.But i can help u a little with that.Im joining an astrology school now and as soon as i learn enough,ill be happy to translate the chart for u.
Oh yes...here are some transalations of the planets:
'shani'-saturn
'rahu'-north node
'ketu'-south node
'surya'-sun
etc.
Also,i must tell u blue,that Hindu astrology uses the signs of the zodiac very differently,as well as the times.see,i was born 26th might at 2:45 a.m so acc to english charts i am a 27th feb born...but in hindi...u are a 26th feb born and a...leo!!!i really wonder how that is...but i do prefer to stick to the english one,it feels more accurate.

A question guys...hmmm...how was jesus to look like physically?i mean in some books i read he had a brown beard and long brown hair but yet others say that he had lovely blond hair and beard?Does anyone know?

love
shagun

As far as the reincarnation aspect of it all, I would have to assume that Arthur was Jesus and Guinevere and Lancelot were split from Mary M. I am basing it on this - Jesus was pure of heart, had no sin, did harm to no one, and quested to help all good men - regardless of their status - Arthur was quite the same. Mary M was a sinner, we are all familiar with her profession - she was a good woman, I'm not knocking her, I've sinned plenty myself, yet she was a sinner. Lancelot and Guinevere were sinners, too. Adulterers and guilty of Treason against the King and court of Camelot.

But, that's just my take on it..

Kathleen,

Very interesting, and I stand corrected. You must forgive some of my ignorance on the subject of the bible and the history of those times - I went to Catholic elementary and Catholic High School oh so many years ago, so I only got the benefit of the sisters' angle on things and, taking their word as Gospel (no pun intended) I never persued it any further. Mary's "profession" being a prime example of the apparent misinformation that was drilled into my head for all those years.
Please keep sending out all this good info..I will absorb it eventually..

I am sooo happy this website is here - where else can exchanges of such great information on such varied topics take place? All thanks to one woman (and, of course, you wonderful Moderators and Administrators

Hi everyone,

Here's a link i found which is VERY relevant to the subject on hand esp. with respect to the Church's "interpretation" of Christianity. I would encourage everyone to have a quick look;

http://home.earthlink.net/~fromthestars/page48.html

Shagunj: I see you're from South India, you do know ,don't you, that Thomas the Apostle went to South India to spread the Christ's teachings, more specifically to Kerala. If you're in Hydrabad, you're not that far from some prime investigating ground.

If anyone is interested in pursuing info. about Jesus' stay in India, an excellent book to look up is "Jesus Lived in India" by Holger Kirsten, a German theologian. This book is a must read for all followers of the Abrahamic tradition and for anyone who is truly interested inthe life of the Christ.

As for the Essenes re-locating to the Himalayan mountain range, my belief is that the Essenes, Chaldeans, Cathars, Bogomils, the Gnostics etc. are all off-shoots of teachings from the White Brotherhood (vs. The Black Lodge) Legend has it that the White Brotherhood 's "motherhouse" is indeed hidden somewhere in one of the thousands of hidden valleys of the Himalayans which strech from India, Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan, and the Hindu Kush region of Pakistan. The actual site changes in each era, my feeling is that right now it's in Nepal.

Peace Everyone,
Aurora

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Kathleen, in your opinion did Jesus survive the ressurection or did he actually ressurect? Also, did Mary M settle in France and if so was Jesus with her??
I find it quite disturbing the way the Catholic Church simply decided to re-write history.
B.

Hiii Everyone!!

This thread is getting really interesting!so many things i never knew and here they are!Thanks everyone for the contribution!

Thank u so much Kathleen for raising my confidence.Youre really kind and yes,after reading ur postings i think noone could have any doubts that we have a LOT to learn from you!!and thank god ure here!!

Hmmm Aurora...yes i am from south India...actually born in the North but settled here for a while.yes,i did see the book about jesus in india but i havent been able to read it yet but thanks a LOT for the info!im so excited!!They do say that jesus resurrected and then moved eastwards finally settling in Nepal..WITH Mary Magdalene and yes...they did have children!amazing isnt it?I wonder how far it is true?Ill see that i find something out about that.

and oh yes...can someone tell me the physical description of jesus?!

love
shagun.

.......Just like Linda, it must be an Aries thing.

Hmmm...interesting peices of information we have here.

Linda when she was talking to heathcliffe in gooberz was informed that Jesus had already reincarnated on earth but his identity is hidden.Anyone have ANY information on this?it would be appreciated.

I was recently listening to the news and it did mention that on this particular day,the same stars that were seen on the day christ was born were seen again on earth,after that time.any info,thoughts?

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me.

Thanks so much for the older thread on Jesus.....some interesting reading.....

Feeling.....in a book called THE ULTIMATE FRONTIER, I read that Jesus has reincarnated and today is living in France...it didn't say what his name was today.....

Also...it differentiates between Jesus and the Christ...(Edgar Cayce did this too.) Jesus was a man highly spiritually evolved, but The Christ WAS divine, and took over Jesus' body when John baptized him and the dove flew on his shoulder.....according to the book Christ and Melchilzedek were one and the same, and would have an elevated status of archangel.....Jesus'spirit returned to the astral and it was Christ who preached.....and Christ who was crucified......Jesus and his parents were Essenes and knew that Jesus was born for the particular purpose of allowing Christ to use his body......

This is some information that is probably new and different, to you knowflakes and it blew me away too...as I told Shagun, I explore lots of information that is presented to me - with an open mind...then I try to put it together....and there's lots out there...

The different pieces of the soul that Linda talked about, was new and different to me, also....

Love and Peace,
Rainbow~

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