Here is what we have so far...

Linda Goodman, born April 9,1925,
Parkersburg, WVA

"afflicted planets in Libra"

"blessed however by trines from Gemini, Neptune, and Mars"

First of all..."trines from Gemini, Neptune, and Mars," does not necessarily indicate that Neptune or Mars were in Gemini when she was born. In fact, there is not the least bit of chance on this. Neptune was in Gemini from 1889-1902, so unless Linda was THAT ambiguous about her age, it is impossible.

Mars, however, was defintiely in Gemini on April 9, 1925, around ten degrees. Linda would thus have an extremely tight 9-minutes-or-so sextile to her North Node, and as exact a trine to her South Node.

This is using a time of 6 am, which yields Aries Rising at 17 degrees.

Now, using this data, Linda would have her Aries Sun tightly conjunct her Ascendant, as in sitting right on the first house cusp, at 19 degrees Aries. Here is the real interesting part...her Venus is at 15 degrees Aries in the 12th, so it too is conjunct her Ascendant and Sun. This does NOT change if you use Placidus or Equal houses, it remains the same planetary results.

So, I would say that Linda, who at this hour has an afflicted Moon in Libra, meant that she was a triple Aries in just as true a sense as if it were her Moon, not Venus, that was in Aries. Venus in Aries in the 12th, conjunct Sun and Ascendant in Aries is about as Aries as one can get, in many respects, so maybe she was substituting Venus for Luna, which I would accept, and say that although not technically as we have learned it, that she was still "at least" a triple Aries. No doubt her Gemini Moon stoked the fire of these placements at times.

Speaking of which, here are the aspects to Linda's Moon, providing it is at 23 degrees of Libra, thus in the 7th house (Equal or Placidus):

- Moon opposite Sun, 3 degrees, 57 minutes
- Moon opposite Venus, 7 degrees 43 minutes
- Moon square Jupiter, 2 degrees, 0 minutes
- Moon quincunx Uranus, exact, 2 minutes apart
- Moon sextile Neptune, 3 degrees, 6 minutes

That Uranus inconjunct was likely her hardest angle, yet if we use the birthdata that we have, and it IS accurate, then this is her afflicted planet(s) in Libra - the Moon - and it would be accurate to call it "badly afflicted." Her only positive aspect to her Moon is a sextile to Neptune, which isn't a trine, yet trine-like in this case.

Moon in Libra IS trine to Mars in Gemini, however.

Linda it seems had morethan her share of hard angles in her chart. She had a badly afflicted Jupiter as well:

Jupiter square Sun, 1.58
Jupiter square Moon, 2.00
Jupiter square Venus, 5.44
Jupiter sextile Uranus, 1.58
Jupiter square Ascendant, 3.27

And Venus in the 12th square Pluto would indicate a tendency toward misfortune in love, despite an alluring if not provocative nature, that was shadowy and mystical (12th), even though she knew all about it.

Saturn is in the 7th square her Nodes, yet trine Pluto, which may explain the issues she had with marriage (7th), and that she was somehow okay with it for the most part, accepting the transformations (Pluto)in her marital status (7th), with strength and an esoteric understanding (Scorpio) of love's limitations (Saturn). Although it was a learned thing for her, likely indicated by Saturn being retrograde at her birth.

I believe that if anyone could overcome these
challenges, it was Linda!!

At a later date, I will attempt to change the time...that will depend on how much more info appears on this thread. I cannot do this alone. Without new and continuous insights, and comments either agreeing or disagreeing with these positions, I can go no further. So that means help out if you can! Does this sound like Linda to those who knew her? What else?? Please help out!

In sum, and without further information, here are Linda's planetary positions:

Su 19Ar04 1st
Mo 23Li02 7th
Me 2Ta35 retrograde 1st
Ve 15Ar18 12th
Ma 10Ge33 2nd
Ju 21Cap02 10th
Sa 12Sc37 retrograde 7th
Ur 23Pi00 12th
Ne 19Le55 retrograde 5th
Pl 11Can27 4th
NNo 10Le24 5th
SNo 10Aq24 11th

See you next week...

Bright Blessings,

Carlo

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Carlo,

I had just posted (in the other thread we were discussing this) that I had confirmed through clues in Gooberz pages 464-467 that:

Linda's Neptune was in Leo and her Pluto was in Cancer!!!

WOW GREAT JOB CARLO!!!

Peace, LOve and LIght,
PurplePeace

Great work Carlo, I'm very impressed. Still some nagging questions in my mind, at least ... I don't have time to go over this in detail right now, but will as soon as I get a free moment. We may be getting there.

In the Capricorn section of Sun Signs (sorry I can't be more specific), Linda refers to herself as a double Aries. I've wondered if she later decided on the triple Aries to throw people off her birthday trail. Just speculation though.

KJS

Hi Carlo & all astrologers/P.I.'s out there!

I'm not an astrologer myself by any means but I do have that intense Scorpio desire to unearth secrets.

Clues discovered so far......

Linda was born on a Spring morning in a house on Kingwood St (Morganstown?....there is/was no kingwood st in Parkersburg, try mapsonus.com.)

"Your Sun trine my Venus"(Gooobers Leo Sun trined Linda's Venus in Aries, I know I may be putting the proof before the evidence here and there,... but it will all work out!)

"Your Sun conjoined my Neptune, exactly!(Neptune was in Leo in 1925)

Pluto in Cancer

"Your Venus conjoined my Pluto"(Pluto in Cancer in 1925,Gooobers natal Venus conjuncted his Saturn,which was in Cancer in the 5th house)
"Pluto in Cancer exploding"(VENUS TRINES AT MIDNIGHT)

Mercury in Taurus

"Thank my faery godmother, I have at least one Planet in Taurus" (Quote from memory, one of the last chapters of "STAR SIGNS")

Moon in Libra

"My somewhat afflicted Moon"(Gooberz,)
"Moon in Libra growing old gracefully"(Venus Trines at Midnight)

Mars in Gemini

Linda gives this placing in the "SUN STAR AND LOVE SIGNS" cassette,also mentioning that her natal Mercury was RETROGADE,...however that didn't stop her being a mental chess MASTER.

She mentions being a double Aries in the "Capricorn section of "SUN SIGNS" alright and in "Gooberz" as having a quadruple 9 vibration,..which would take into account day of birth,spelling of name etc.

Being born in the morning she would have had either an Aries,Taurean or Gemini Ascendant I suppose?, any real investigator out there who can check out at what time that thunderstorm occured!?

Good sleuthing!

Michael

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Yes KJS...if we place her Ascendant in Aries, then she is a technical double Aries. So either the triple Aries thing was her including Venus, which I would say makes sense, although others may say no, I do believe that Venus' position and aspects in one's own chart, and with respect to those of others, is even more significant. Why? One's Moon sign is supposed to give way to on's Sun Sign at the Saturn Return. Moon sign traits are growing-up traits. After age 30 or so, the idea, I believe, is to reduce and to eliminate negative Moon traits, keep and improve on the good ones, while learning your Sun traits and how to maximize the potential of you Sun, which is not preprogrammed like Moon traits. Ideally, we do this with all our planets all our lives...

So if Linda concurred, and I think she did, then it would not be so odd of her to call herself a triple Aries. Either way, until more info comes in, she was born in the morning. This is so much fun, I never dreamed I would have a chance to look at Linda's chart. She had her share of conflicts in her chart, actually more than a lot of folks. And look how lovely she turned out, and how much she accomplished!

Please keep adding to this. Rectification is a PROCESS. It is not a quick and dirty thing. I began at 6 am because it yields Aries Rising, and because of the 6 vibration. Yet to rectify accurately, what is required are comments from people who knew her, or of her, and may be able to point out how or why she was or was not what the planets and aspects, as I have them here, indicate. Rectification is not always possible, you see, yet as Time goes on, hopefully we will pick up a bit here and there, and possibly get a more exact time. Until then, Aries was rising in the morning, so I put Linda's birthtime somewhere between 5:18 am and 6:32 am EST. Anytime before 5:18, she'd have Pisces Rising, and after 6:32, yes, you guessed it, Taurus Rising. Now, is there anyone who may have some information that might support one of these two ascendants, perhaps another? Yet, I have a feeling that she did not make up the double Aries thing that KJS found...

Blessings,

Carlo

Carlo --

You are the man! I can't imagine anyone doing a better star-sleuthing job on Linda's horoscope (and we're talking The LINDA! Master Mystical Maven!). I am impressed.

Bright Blessings to YOU!

Galileo

Carlo,
What a great thread! I'm thinking of perhaps using Linda in my lessons in numerology as well, I will use 4-9-1925 as date of birth and perhaps that will shed some light as to her placement of planets! We should be able to take the analysis and determine whether or not the numbers "fit"
I will work them out now...

Love and light
Karen

This is all very interesting-----I'd also like some feedback on her ascendant from people who knew her.

Firesong

WOW, real progress! Okay, to help us visuslize, here's the chart we have so far, assuming she was born on April 9, 1925, at 6am:

I'll be gone from the forum for a few hours to run some errands and take care of "business" but will be back asap. This is exciting!

Fabulous Greg!!! And there is Linda's Part of Fortune tightly conjunct her Moon in Libra! Although it should be a plus sign in the circle, like the Native Americans use...the X in thecircl is the Part of Death. That placement may account for the plural of planets that she said are in that sign.

And just look at that Ascendant! That would qualify her as a triple Aries, I'd say:

15 Venus
17 Ascendant
19 Sun

And Mercury retrograde in the first house too. No doubt that Uranus in Pisces in the tw-elf-th house gave her some fits, yet Pisces is most natural there, so...

...so beautiful and soooo interesting and
wow, it is so nice to have her map on here, you rule Greg!! Jellicle job!!

Blessings,

Carlo

Great colors too!

Carlo,

I live about 2 hours away... probably closer than anyone else.... so I guess I'm elected to make the trip I'd love nothing more! I have a friend that lives in Parkersburg, so I'll have her call and check around for the info before I go... wouldn't it be great if I actually got us a copy of the birth certificate????

I'm sure there probably won't be any records at the hospitals though bcos it says in Gooberz Linda was born in a house. So.... Knowflakes keep your postive thoughts focused on me finding a copy at the county court house!!!

Peace, LOve and LIght,
PurplePeace

Hi Star Sleuths!

I wonder did the ninth of April 1925 fall on a Tuesday...given the strong emphasis on the 9 vibration it's highly likely, also the degree of the Sun in the chart could equal 9, I've seen that before in such cases...19 is very close Carlo !!!

Slainte

Michael

Actually, April 9, 1925 was a Thursday .

Just wondering about Linda claiming to be a Triple Aries, and someone said she called herself a double Aries in Sun Signs. In Love Signs, she said in one of the virgo chapters (virgo-aqua?) that she was convinced Vulcan must be conjunct her Sun in Aries.
So if we have Sun, Venus and Vulcan in Aries, she would be a triple Aries. If you count the Ascendant, a Quadruple Aries?
Hmm...

Ah so! Thanks for checking,Gregory

Can hardly wait for the new/old material on Saturn!

I know this is only going to confuse the issue further. But, I read over a year ago that Linda's birthtime was 2:45 p.m. This yields an Aries MC and a Leo asc. I can't remember where I read this time, though. This charts works for me, superficially at least. Going on only the years (don't know the exact dates) when Linda released her most popular books, this is my summation. When Sun Signs was published, Saturn was near Linda's MC and strode through her 10th house during the next couple years. When Love Signs was published, Saturn was angular in her chart and trine the MC. Now, Jupiter and Saturn are back on the upswing in Linda's chart. Evidence is the renewed resurgence in interest in Linda's life and career. The planets are high in Linda's sky now and I think she's going to enjoy another burst in popularity when Secrets is published.

Thomas

Gregory:

Thanks for calling me to task. I goofed entirely. I went back and checked the chart I have listed in Winstar for Linda and the time I used was actually 1:45. When I saw the time over a year ago, I played with both 1:45 and 2:45. And, of course, both yield a Taurus MC.

I will try to find the newsgroup where I saw the birthtime for Linda. As I recall, the source gave Linda herself as the source of this birthtime.

Thomas

Okay Knowflakes... looks like we need some...

PEACE LOVE AND LIGHT

here too!!!

Time to wake up and stop this arguing!!! Once again I remind you this is NOT who WE are!

We were brought together here out of our mutual LOve and respect for a peace loving, kind human being who taught us that Peace, Harmony, LOve and LIght are the ONLY way!!! Come on Knowflakes let the LIght lead you back to where you KNOW you belong and stop this...that means everyone I am not singling anyone out! It just kills me to see any one of us acting in a manner which I KNOW is unlike our nature!

Peace, LOve and LIght,
PurplePeace

We are all friends here, nothing could be truer! We are also seekers of truth and knowledge and inspiration that will lead us to peace most profound. And we are curiouser and curiouser about Linda and her mysterious origins (is pluto in her 4th house? One book I have says this can indicate mysterious genetic origins - was she an alien, a Druid, etc). I'm just speculating,I don't know anything!
Bright Blessings
Galileo

Hiya Gal, nice to see you again!

Yes, doesn't Linda inspire our curiosity!?!

And it looks as if Linda had Pluto in the third house, and 11 degrees in Cancer. I will get more into that on Thursday. There is so much to Linda, it will be fun to learn and to discuss her many aspects, and maybe we can get a better understanding of who she was, and why she was so very special...that is the reason that astrology exists, in my opinion. And as we link stories with various aspects, we will all grow in love and spirit, and I'd say that Linda would be proud of us.

I am always psyched to see you hear, pal, I know that when I was in law school, I barely even had time for an often-much-needed drink, let alone to follow a website, and stay plugged in. So I toast you! As your studies allow, do stay tuned, you will learn about astrology on this site. It takes as long to get a law degree as it does to feel comfortable with astrology...and you will do both, you'll see! Blessed Be!

Love,

Carlo

Thx Peace, thx Gal!! You guys are great!

Not much chance today to work on this thread. Soon, I hope! I did want to stop in and give it a nice vibe tho...

...Boom, there it is, thought you knew...