And Again ...

Hi Knowflakes ;

Just giving you some excerpts from a little book I found in one of my friend's home titled "All about Eating Meat" It blends so harmoniously with Linda' meat-eating theory and the "Eat-heat-Ate-Hate" lexigram that I thought I would share a few excerpts from this book found, coincidentally (?) at my friend's home ... left there, right in front of me ... so casually ...

Of course the this book deals with why we shouldn't eat meat but not the solutions for meat-eaters as prescribed by Linda ... though I do believe this little book would have definitely agreed with Linda ... so here, a little notes on "all about eating meat" given in "question-answer" form ...

(1) But our ancestors have always eaten meat, haven't they ?

No! After much recent study and research, Scientists have concluded that our early ancestors were vegetarians who ate no meat ..."
Throughout History, there have been many individuals and groups of people who have realized the importance of a pure diet for HEALTH, MENTAL CLARITY or SPIRITUAL REASONS and who thereby remained vegetarians."

(2) "But isn't it natural for human beings to eat meat ?

No! Scientists know that the diet of any animal corresponds to its physiological structure. Human physiology, bodily functions and digestive system are completely different from those of carnivorous animals. According to diet, we can divide vertebrate animals into 3 groups : MEAT EATERS, GRASS and LEAF EATERS and FRUIT EATERS."

HUMAN BEINGS

Human characteristics are in every way like the FRUIT EATERS, very similar to the GRASS EATERS and very UNLIKE the MEAT EATERS... The human digestive system, tooth and jaw structure and bodily functions are completely different from carnivorous animals ... our anatomy and digestive system show that we must have evolved for millions of years living on fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables. ... Most people have others kill their meat for them and would be sickened if they had to do the killing, themselves. Instead of eating raw meat as all flesh-eating animals do, humans boil, bake or fry and disguise it will all kinds of sauces and spices so that it bears no resemblance to its raw state ...

Scientists and naturalists, including the great CHARLES DARWIN who gave the theory of evolution, agree that early humans were fruit and vegetable eaters and that throughout history our anatomy has not changed. The great Swedish scientist VON LINNE states : "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food."

So it is clear from Scientific studies that Physiologically, anatomically and instinctively, man is perfectly suited to a diet for fruit, vegetables, nuts and grains.

HISTORY

From the beginnings of recorded history, we find that the vegetarian diet was regarded as the natural diet of humanity. The early Greeks, Egyptians and Hebrews described many as a fruit eater. The Wise Priests of ancient Egypt never ate meat. Many Greek wise men, including Plato, Socrates and Pythagoras, were strong advocates of the vegetarian diet. The great civilization of the Inca Indians was based on vegetarian diet. In India, the Buddha urged his disciples not to eat flesh. The Taosit saints and sages were vegetarians; the early Christians and Jews were also vegetarians. The Bible clearly states "AND GOD SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE GIVEN YOU EVERY HERB-BEARING SEED, WHICH IS UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, EVERY TREE IN WHICH ARE FRUITS; FOR YOU IT SHALL BE AS MEAT." (Genesis 1:29). St. Paul, one of the greatest disciples of Jesus wrote in his letter to the Romans, "IT IS GOOD NOT TO EAT FLESH ..." (Romans 14:21). Recently historians have discovered ancient texts similar to the NEW TESTAMENT, describing the life and speeches of JESUS. In one of these scriptures JESUS says : "AND THE FLESH OF SLAIN BEASTS IN A PERSON'S BODY WILL BECOME HIS OWN TOMB. FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, HE WHO KILLS, KILLS HIMSELF, AND WHOMSOEVER EATS THE FLESH OF SLAIN BEASTS EATS THE BODY OF DEATH (The Essene Gospel of Peace).

The Ancient Hindus in India forbade the eating of meat; the holy book of Islam, the Koran, proibits the eating of "dead animals, blood and flesh..."

WHT ARE THE DANGERS OF MEAT EATING

The Eskimos, living largely on meat and fat, age rapidly with an average lifespan of 27 and a half years. The Kirgese, a nomadic Eastern Russian tribe that lived predominantly on meat, matured early and died equally early, they rarely passed the age of 40. In contrast, field investigations by anthropologists of non-meat cultures have documents the radiant health, stamina and longevity enjoyed by such as the Hunzas of Pakistan, the Otomi Tribe (Natives of Mexico), and Native peoples of American Southwest..."

That's about it, Knowflakes, would love your views once again ...

love
druid

My Dear Seamistress :

I had the opportunity (thank ye Higher Elf) of seeing your posting on the "FRIEND-FIEND" Lexigram ... it is truly revealing...
As I said, you are a natural...I love that eye-opening sentence which read "I END FIEND"
As dear Linda so wisely says that your Lexigram reveals the inner you ... you wonderful Eagle Soul... you END a FIEND by being a FRIEND ... Am I glad to be your FRIEND ... ...
May I request you to re-post your powerful revelation on this word in "Creative Lexigramming" for all us Knowflakes to share in your wisdom of this wonderful word-friend...
I see you use Numerology too ... isn't it in harmony the no. 25 ... the spiritual one...
Seamistress... wonderful insights ... thank you... YOU DO SOAR, EAGLE, SOARRRR ... Can you hear the echo >

Michael dear, I saw your post too and the words seeded therein are simply thought-provoking ... especially the HEALTH one ... You solved a lexigram my MagI-FrIend ... in the word "HALT" ... HALT THE EAT ... HEAL THE HATE ... thank you ...
Now you don't HALT your thought-spiralling here, dear one, there are such magical revelations going around ... I always feel I am soaring ... way beyond ... interesting to note that "beyond" reveals "no end" ...
I remember the other words too ... KILLED, KILL, KILLING, ... if you re-member ... can you post some them once again ?

love to you
druid

Dear Druid,
Thank you I will go and post the lexigram right now! Yes I thought I'd do some numerology on it just for fun. 25 does look like a very spiritual number Oh and thank you for also restarting this thread, I love it!
Lots of Love
Seamistress

Nicene Knowflakes,

MEAT AS FOOD?

ME EAT MEAT? A FEAT MOST SOFT! AM i DAFT? AM i A SOT? AM i MAD? MEAT'S FATE MATES ME TO FAT, TO A SEA OF STEAM, TO A FAST DOOM MOST DAFT, TO SOD! A DOOM FEST! A SOD FEST! O! SOT FAME! TOO MAD! MEAT EATS ME TOO!

Change that to "NO MEAT AS FOOD" and see how much better things, such as lexigrams, turn out!

rc

druid33:

I loved your essay on meat-eating. I agree with you totally, especially the part about how we boil, bake, and fry meats in modern times, frequently disguising the meats in an array of sauces and gravies. You're also right that, if most of us had to kill our own meats, we'd be grossed out.

A personal example: I no longer eat red meat, but I still do eat fish and chicken. I don't like freshly caught fish. It's too "fishy." I'm so used to fish that's been frozen and chilled on ice in the grocery store that eating really fresh fish is distasteful to me.

Farmers use an awful lot of land growing feed for animals. That land could be used for growing food for humans. My doctor (who's a total vegan) has often said world hunger could be ended if we didn't use up so much farmland growing feed for cattle and other animals for human consumption.
I feel that statement is close, but not entirely correct. With today's technology, no one on Earth should have to starve. And the only reason starvation exists now is diplomatic stupidity. Just my opinion.

Back to vegetarianism. Just wanted to commend you on your wonderful essay.

Thomas

Dear Robert ...
Beautifully lexigrammed ... powerfully worded and coded ... brillianto and thank you ... this is such a boosting prologue to the essay ... should have had you first lexigram this and then presented the essay ... wonderful ! I knew lexigrams is in your blood ... do give us more insights, dear one ...

Dear Thomas ... thank you for your kind words and your real-life examples - you never fail to give practice to a theory ... which makes it so REAL or manifested ... I am glad you enjoyed this essay though it is written by someone else and since it had in as much as the effect on me as on you ... I couldn't resist posting here on the forum ... thank you nevertheless ... and again must say that your "random number divination" is such a great help !

love to you
druid

Dearest Knowflakes,

In keeping with the "Meat-Eating" - here's a little pOeM on our animal friends ...

THE DUMB AND THE MAIMED...

What sound befalls my errant ears
Sounds so sharp and searing ?
Its only the cry of murdered fowls
The hunters are a-reaping...

Whose prodded footsteps do I hear
In fear as they go marching ?
Its only the hooves of the bleating goats
Being led for the palace feasting...

What, o what are those mournful sighs
Coming from over yonder ?
Only the cows just crying out loud
As their calves are put asunder...

From whence do earthy burning smells
Emit a sound of squealing ?
Its only when the pigs do sense
Their skins scorch from roasting

And Hark ! what rhythmic thump I hear
That seldom lasts awhile ?
It's only the fishes jumping aboard
Their last few minutes alive...

Must tortuous sounds made such as these
Bewitch the human auricle ?
Could not these gentle creatures pray
For some glorious miracle ?

Will their piteous cries not stir our souls
Must they in bondage ever be ?
Will not a Saviour step out forth
And set these creatures free ?

Humans, take heed of the voice within
And let these gentle creatures be
That soon we may, as kindred souls,
Live in eternity.

love to you all
druid

Dear druid,
That is an absolutely touching poem that almost made me cry. Thank you
Lots of Love
Seamistress

MON DEAR druid

What can I say ??? To Your SHINING WORDS, I can only sing HOORAY !!!

Much LOVE
essence

HI Everyone. This is such a wonderful site. I have so many questions. I'll begin in this forum because it is so important.

I just wanted to know, what about the 15 years of "getting off" meat like Linda suggests in Star Signs? I mean, if we have been eating any kind of flesh all our lives, then suddenly QUIT, will it cause health problems? Sickness? I myself would love to just UP AT QUIT eating all flesh, but I have been afraid that my body will go into shock and get sick or something. Anyone have any suggestions?... also, what about dairy products - cheese and milk? Are these considered "bad for you" too? Any comments would be so welcomed.

love
silver

Hello Silver....................Welcome to the site.....you'll find many intersting topics, and wonderful people here.........

In response to your concerns about quitting the meat eating so suddenly..........I can only tell you about my experience........a few years ago, I went on something called the macrobiotic diet for about three months, which allows no meat at all, and I never felt better in my life....

It was quite easy, because I focused on what I COULD have, rather than what I couldn't have....and the diet included lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, along with grains, and beans, and sea vegetables....the only reason I want back to my old way of eating, was because the diet became boring....at that time I didn't have too many recipes...

Anyway, giving up the meat, had no effect on me at all, except to make me feel better, and more energetic......

I think soon, I am going to try the color diet again.....sounds not as boring as the macrobiotic.....

Peace,
Rainbow~

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Hi Silver, and welcome!!!
I have to go with Miss Rainbow on this. When I was growing up, my mom was a vegitarian (sp??) and we didn't eat any meat except seafood for a long period of time. She started incorporating poultry after a while, probably when I was about 10. No sweets either!! I could have any kind of fruits but no cakes, cookies, candy etc. I never really noticed the difference...until I got older. I have started Linda's 15 year plan in that I have cut out red meat and pork of any kind...pork is not that hard as I didn't like a lot of pork anyhoo. But I had a roast beef sandwich the other day and it just made me sooooooo~ SICK!!! It's pretty easy to stick to. Good luck if you are thinking of trying it, and again, welcome!!
~Gali

GREETINGS

Dear Silver

A WARM Welcome to this PRECIOUS PLACE

I have to agree with our SWEET Rainbow and Gali, I have cut out meat and eaten very little milk and dairy whenever I did food combining and I too, never felt better !!!

I would get 'sick' when I went back to meat and increased the dairy ...

Much Love
essence

Thanks for the replies and the warm welcomes!!!

Hmmm... I did cut out my red meat and pork right after Christmas. I only eat chicken on occasion. I would really love NOT to eat it at all... the first 5 years of the "15 year" move into becoming a fruitarian, well, I want it to be the "second" 5 year period now(no meat). I guess what I am trying to say, I want to prepare mys-elf now for no meat. If I try and have no fear, not plant any negative thoughts as to getting sick, I may be just fine. BUT too, there's this little fairy on my shoulder, shaking her finger, "15 years", "15 years"!!... perhaps she's a mischief pixie trying her best to influence me, well, lets see how I do. Wish me luck. I think I will cut it all out. Occasional dairy. ANy more thoughts? If the Ancients say 15 years, ooohhh, I'll be sad. I have become so much more sensitive to our animal friends and I don't want to think anymore about putting a dead animal in my temple (sorry to be so graphic).

Thanks for listening.
Love, Life, Light, Liberty
Silver

Hello Silver ... and welcome to this warm and wonderful site !!!

Rainbow, Gali and Essence ... ... love you guys ...

love - druid

Welcome Silver
I am also on the fifteen-years-to-fruitarian path and have so far completed a year and a half
I think the reason why we have to go so slowly is because our bodies are so used to meat that they've become dependant on it.
I still have cravings for meat once in a while. Hamburgers ... mmm yum! But I know that if I did eat one I'd feel sick because my body is slowly getting out of that mode. Of course now I'm hooked on chicken
But now my favourite foods are nuts and mangoes, actually all summer fruit is beautiful.
Lots of Love
Seamistress

Oh, what a blessing to find this site with all you wonderful, wise and loving beings!
It's like christmas reading all your messages. Thank you all!!!

Rainbow - you mention colour diet. Could you explain a little about that?

Twinkle
/Lena-Maria

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Lena-Maria

Seamistress
Thank you for sharing. Perhaps I will do the 15 year path. I guess it's my impatient nature that sometimes rears it's naughty head... pushing me to leap before I look. I'll continue to just eat the chicken every once in awhile... looks like I have another 4 and half years to go before I can safely cut out all meat. Why do I feel that this will be so hard? It's like being forced to eat meat when I don't want to. Whoa is me.....

*In a state of confusion*
Silver

Dear Silver

Not to worry - the most important thing of all is to learn to listen to yoursELF ... If you don't want to eat meat then don't, b/c the only way that you'll know how your body responds to 'no meat' is to not eat it. There are so many ways you can experiment with this - you can have it every other day to start, once or twice a week, once a month - I only know when I began cutting meat out, the rare times I did eat it, I only ate it with salad and veg's, no starch and I really did feel great. Within a few months I was not having any meat at all and then one day I ate over my relatives house and had a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs and I was really sick, b/c I guess, that my system was not 'used' to it anymore and couldn't tolerate it at that point. I just think everyone is different and some people are more sensitive, etc. My sense of the 15 year plan is that it is a safe guard [just in case], so as to include everyone, especially those who maybe will have a harder time 'giving up' meat for all the various reasons that there are. Go with your instincts and what your body says when it 'talks to you' and SEE how you Feel ...

Much Love
essence

Dear Lena-Maria

WELCOME to this PRECIOUS PLACE !!!

Isn't there something SO Special about CHRISTMAS in JULY

Much Love
essence

Welcome Lena-Maria
You're so right about this site!

Dear Silver,
You can also eat seafood as well as chicken so there's a little more variety! I have tried sooooo many times to become a vegetarian and have never had the . . willpower I guess you can call it until this diet came along Also I remember seeing a documentary on animal cruelty and how they killed cows. I felt pretty sick after that! I haven't eaten meat since the beginning of last year (it was a new years resolution), except occasionally by mistake.
It's different for everyone and it might be hard for you but if this is what you really REALLY want then nothing can stop you. Plus there's a genuine self respect for yourself if there's more pressure on you. I have no idea why but it was really easy for me to give up red meat. Once your body gets used to not 'needing' meat anymore it will become a lot easier. You might be like me and have HUGE meat cravings but they go away quickly
Let me know how you go!
Lots of Love
Seamistress

Hello dear Silver and a warm welcome to this loving site ...

Thanks all you wonderful people for the exciting exchanges on this "delicate" subject ... thought I'll add some more ...

Dearest Knowflakes ...

Trying to arrive at the "MEAT" truth with the help of word-druids, As much I am not an authoritarian on the subject ... you could say that I am "all for LINDA" on this subject ... but would love to learn your angle-angle as well ... for though the MOON-IN-ARIES feels strongly, CAPPY does temper it with earthy tones ...

Meat-Eating ... hmmm ... to EAT MEAT ... somebody has to KILL an ANIMAL ... and since our bodies are not structured to consume MEAT ... as mentioned by that precious book I found, thereby EATing MEAT that has one has to KILL can cause us to be ILL.

Looking back on the (HIS)TORY of MAN in paleothic terms, MAN emerged from AN ANIMAL (?). The word-druid ANIMAL holds within "MAN" "MAL" ... kind of like a deformed MAN ... "I AM A MAL MAN" says the word-druid ANIMAL ...

In today's world, AN ANIMAL has really become A MAN MANIA ... People just can't seem to LIVE without EATing MEAT ... but with the constant evolution of enLIGHTened souls ... they are beginning to hear AN ANIMAL AIL ... due to KILLING which causes the species to become extinct ...

ANIMAL vibrates to the number 15 ... the Number of the Magician ... why then this heavy karma for AN ANIMAL ? It seems that this word-druid vibrating to "15" must have been associated with a "4" or "8" at sometime, to have brought about such a Karma ... and as we know how the ANIMAL stalks its prey ... by using "hypnosis" or "mental suggestion" (as suggested by the "15" description when associated with 4 or 8 in STAR SIGNS) to lure the prey OR in turn become a victim to MAN by such methods ...

Please note the plural of ANIMAL ... (ANIMALS) vibrates to 18 ... in terms of heavy karma - "The greatest testings of the soul for worthiness" ...

Having such a spiritual number "15" for the singular of ANIMAL, may it not be then that this "Magician" (ANIMAL) is an unenlightened CREATURE with the inherent power to become MAN as and when this being chooses to do so ... or fulfills the karma ? ... After all, we are mostly represented by Animals in our Zodiac ... as Linda states ...

And if one notes ... CREATURE does contain the power verb "CREATE" ...

Coming back to MEAT ... as I mentioned elsewhere on this forum ... MEAT re-versed gives META ... "beyond the fiction of fact (EATing of MEAT) lies truth" ? What truth ? Truth that can hurt ?

"SEEK THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE" ...

... and I'm still seeking ... ...

love to you ... druid

Dear DEAREST druid

That was MARVELOUS !!! Like you "I'M ALL FOR LINDA" too

Love YA
essence

HI Everyone!!

Thanks for the wonderful advice. I went to the grocery store the other day... BOY! Those vegetarian meals... burgers, etc, are SO expensive!!! BUT, I bought some anyway. It has been easier than expected to cut my chicken down to two days a week. Perhaps I'll be able to go to one day, then once every month. If I go by Linda's 15 year plan, would it count if I only ate say, chicken or fish once a month? I mean, I wouldn't be cutting it out completely, just to a most bare minimum....

Oh, go to the new post I wrote about FASTING... I want to get some opinions on that. Thanks all

Love and Light to all
silver

Hi there,
just wrote to share a baby miracle that I thought of when I began to read this.
When I was 12 going on to 13 I decided to become vegetarian. At that time I was used to eat a lot of meat, so when I asked my mother if it was OK, she said yes, but she thought I wouldn't keep up with it very long. She was wrong.
The baby miracle was that only 2 weeks after I became vegetarian I ran into the first book of Linda I read, Star Signs, and from then my life changed completely.
love,
belke

Welcome Belke
That's a wonderful story
Lots of Love
Seamistress

'From little things big things grow,
From little things big things grow.'

Hello,
I've discovered this site recently and was overwhelmed about how beautiful everyone was in here. A friend of mine has interested me in Linda Goodman and I have learnt a great deal from her life and teachings. I would like to congratulate this site on providing this for the world. I would also like to comment on Seamistress's last entry, to agree on the relevance of her quote: "From little things, big things grow." How true!

Peace to you all,
Princess

Thank you dear Princess
So true, so true
Lots of Love
Seamistress

You all are so beautiful! I am thrilled to have discovered this bulletin board. I am re-reading Star Signs and wondered if Linda Goodman had a website... so here I am!
This topic is interesting to me because I am trying to give up red meat, following Linda's 15-year plan... but I found some disturbing info on the net about genetically engineered foods, and one to watch out for are soybeans... which make up the "vegetarian" convenience foods among many, many other things. Any thoughts on this?

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Hitch your wagon to a star. -Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hi stars, and welcome to our site!

I have't heard anything about genetically engineered soybeans ... I'm a little surprised to hear this, because soybeans are naturally so hardy and prolific and high in protein. Usually agri-biz genetically alters plants to make them larger or more prolific or more resistant to disease ... what is the purpose of this genetic engineering, do you know?

GREETINGS STARS

A WARM WELCOME to this PRECIOUS PLACE !!!

Much Love
essence

Hi Stars,

A big welcome to you!!! Enjoy the site.

*Aries* Kate

Welcome stars
Lots of Love
Seamistress