Dear White Feather

That was excellent!! Quite an analogy and so correct. I believe they are both teaching each other. Saturn gets a bad rap because he is restrictive, but not in the sense that he holds back, he teaches and in restricting, it may be to learn not to do something that isn't of benefit, so that is restrictive. If Saturn teaches you not to do drugs, that is holding back, but it is good. Do you see what I mean?

Peggy You will learn as you are interested. I do not know how I do that, but I think I tune in psychically, but I don't know. It has to do with a feeling I get when I draw up a chart.

Aries I didn't know they had one out for Dummies. Looks like I have another book to buy

Donna

Wow, Whitefeather that was incredible. I have to digest that before I really even know what to say, except of course, Thank you.
Donna, are you saying by our charts we have evolved past the teacher-student relationship or is it not in the chart-just something you eventually KNOW.
My first brush with astrology was probally like most peoples -my sun sign vs his sun sign. Sag vs Virgo not particularly compatible but it made me want to dig deeper
because we are VERY compatible. We're also very different but except for rare occasions
we really appreciate our differences.
He is the only person I've ever known that didn't make me feel uncomfortable about reading Linda Goodman, Edgar Cayce and any and all "far-OUT" ideas but he doesn't like to read and he will tell me to do the studing and give him the cliff notes. So maybe that's where I got the idea I was the teacher and him the student.
But recently after a near fatal bout with cancer my husband has shown such a determined WILL to stay alive that other people are commenting that he has a "blessed" radiance about him. We are not particularly religious
although we both strongly believe in God.
After my daughter's death and his sickness I have been living my life in tremendous FEAR.Fear of loss of everyone I love. That is what I am really working on overcoming. Maybe that's what he's teaching me.
If there is ANYTHING I can do to get off this teadmill of fear and loss I must do it
so I won't attract it to us.
Well that was more than I meant to say but I feel better having said it.
I really do feel alot better since I found this site. You all are so uplifting. I found it by writing Crystal a thank you note for continuing Linda's work. What a blessing it has been for so many and I know it will continue to be. We must make it so.

Dear Peggy

I believe you are both each other's teacher, just in different ways. If your husband gets his information from you from your reading, then he gives his input when you discuss it. His insight may teach you. It is both give and take. How lucky you are to have this. This is great compatibility.

Ok, I didn't want to go into this either, but I will share my story of my Saturn return. When I turned 29, things were so bad in my marriage, my husband cheated all the time. He had girlfriends all over and he said it was just sex for sex. I was hurt, he said we had sex and love. So, his mother told me the Devil had me and I should burn all my astrology books and metaphysical books. So I did. I had a big bonfire out back. I read the Bible every day. Still, my husband did not stop cheating. Things were really bad by the time I hit my 33rd birthday. He left me for another woman, very much younger,(19) she was having his baby, something I couldn't do. I was devastated. I watched him pull out of our driveway with a Ryder truck full of 1/2 of our belongings. I collapsed and was unable to breathe I was crying so hard. The next month my grandfather died, 6 months later my grandmother died. Six months later my Mother died. From Aug to Aug. I lost 4 people I loved. It was the hardest thing I ever went through in my life. All I can say, is thank god I had Edgar Cayce, Astrology, belief in Reincarnation, or I would have killed myself. I began replacing the books I burned, because I knew Christianity wasn't for me, that is when I became a Wiccan, the year was 1978. I had refused to heed my Saturn return, because I was meant to let go of Ken when I instigated divorce proceedings at 29. I just couldn't let go, so Saturn came in and helped me. I got back into the belief system I had before, because I never really beleived in the Devil, as his mother said had a hold of me. I survived that awful year 22 years ago, because of my metaphysical beliefs. They were what kept me going, I searched and sought to find answers. The day of my mother's funeral, we had to drive past a restaurant diner where truckers ate, standing outside talking and laughing to two other men was my husband. He never sent me a note, a card or any acknowledgement of my mother's death. I knew then, that I could always get another husband, but I could never get another mother. That is when I began healing.

So Peggy, what I am telling you is, I am so glad you were able to share your fears and some of your history. That is healing. As for your fears, do not give them life. Cherish each moment you have with your husband, enjoy your compatibility. Know that your daughter is safe and growing on the "other side". To this day, my mother will leave messages to me in my dreams. One morning I had overslept and it was my Mom's voice calling me to get up for work. Another time, the clock stopped at exactly 5PM on April 26, the date and time she and my dad got married. So, I may have lost my Mom in the physical, but she is still with me in the Spiritual. I tried not to hold my Mother's spiritual progress back at her Death, by keeping her Earthbound. I talked to her in Spirit and told her I released her to go on with her Journey, that helped me with the grieving process more than anything. Because she still comes back to me every once in a while to check up.

Oh, and by the way, my ex husband still cheats on every wife he had,(so it wasn't just me) and any girlfriend he has. We have Venus (mine) conjunct Pluto(his) to hold us besides some other very Karmic ties. We are still in contact to this day, never having any children to have a reason to keep in contact. But he is the one who contacts me and I think he always will. But the hard lesson Saturn taught me was about love. Not to let it consume me, not to be obsessed with it. To not let love keep me from learning and growing with knowledge. I happen to have Venus conjunct Pluto in Leo in my own chart.

Whoops, I left a lot of personal stuff out, so against my Scorpio Rising.

Donna

Deathnomore,
I wasn't going to reply to your OJ comment butI must confess I am a bit impulsive! Have you ever heard of Speech Reversal? O.J. "confessed" to killing Nicole and Goldman in an interview taken by the police the day he was questioned . You can go to reversal speech.com and listen for youself.
I was convinced he did it in the first place so this only seals it for ME.
Peace&Love Starcap67

Whitefeather, you have given me alot to think about but unfortunately I need to ask you a
few more questions.
I love the idea of being able to learn without it being a struggle-going up another
rung on the ladder. But can someone who can't even meditate move up the ladder. I guess I thought this must come in stages. Do you will it into being so or work it into being so? Or just believe and it IS so.
Donna, thank you for sharing your story with me. We all have our scars from this carosel ride don't we.
Do you think that is the purpose of hard times? To make us look within to find the truth for ourselves. Do you think we must have pain to grow? If there's another way, I'm ready for it. I want to be positive and grow without so much pain.
I'd like to e-mail you privately if you don't mind. It's hard to put one's life story on the world wide web but our stories help us understand each other better. At least it does for me.
Thank you all kind friends for your generosity of spirit.

awesome Donna and I agree with your statement about "both" of them being the teacher.

Peggy

Yes, email me. Ask Greg to send your email to me.

Hi Aries

Donna

Starcap, police interrogations have that effect on people. The Truth will be revealed soon. Peace.

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"When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes." Erasmus

Greetings, Peggy!

What we are talking about is the VEIL...

We are on one side of the veil, and on the other side is ONEness. ONEness can also be called All That Is, or whatever you choose. ONEness is the THOHT that created this universe. ONEness is what we are all a part of. ONEness is where we came from. ONEness contains the memory and knowledge of everything. To access that ONEness is to know whatever we need to know. To access that ONEness we can make quantum leaps in our evolvement. We came from ONEness, and it is with ONEness that we need to realign ourselves in order to make that next evolutionary quantum leap. But the impediment keeping us from accessing that ONEness is the veil...

It is because of the veil that most of us are not even aware of ONEness. It is the veil that protects us from the humongous onslaught of information that we would be bombarded with should we come into sudden direct contact with ONEness. It is the veil that keeps us from seeing our other selves, those other fragments of our oversouls that are living their own lives simultaneously in other places and times. (Past and future lives.) It is the veil that allows us to live and experience in a dimension of duality. We had to forget our ONEness in order to learn how to navigate duality, and that, after all, was our mission; to experience duality in every way we could. There is no leaving the amusement park until we have ridden every ride. So the veil has been very helpful to us, allowing us to evolve at our own speed and giving us the chance to ride all the rides, so to speak.

But evolving necessitates a thinning of the veil. There will come a day soon when the veil will be lifted completely. We are evolving, so it is inetivable. But we don't have to wait for it to happen, we can make it happen for ourselves. (or we can wait it out, too) The more people who do it, the easier it becomes for those who haven't done it yet, which means that it will get easier almost without trying. To dissolve or tear down the veil, it is best to understand what the veil is made of.

The veil is constructed of vibrational patternings. The only thing holding up the veil is the patterns of consciousness which we, as humankind, maintain. Our thoughts are vibrational energy. WE CREATE OUR REALITY WITH THE THOHTS AND BELIEFS WE HOLD! With 6+ billion people on the planet, there are a lot of THOHTS and beliefs going out to hold and maintain the veil. The veil is maintained by our gestalts, our psychosis, our fears, our religious beliefs, our heirarchies, our issues of separateness and lack, our issues of self-worth, and all the robotic patterns of consciousness we employ to dull us to the orgasmic thrill of living in this world. And one of the biggest things holding up the veil is our staunch beleif in TIME!

TIME IS AN ILLUSION! Once the veil is lifted, we will go by universal time, which exists only in the NOW. In fact, NOW is where you will find ONEness, and that is how time keeps us from ONEness. When we live in the past or the future, we will not find ONEness, because ONEness can only be found in the present. Time is the main support that holds up the veil.

Meditation is just a tool. The teacher-student relationship is just a tool. They can help us to tear down the veil, but whatever tool we use, we must realize that what we are trying to do is to change our patterns of THOHT. That is all it takes.

Peggy, don't worry if you can't meditate right now. Maybe it is not time yet. The main two keys are to get into the NOW, and to realize that you create your own reality with your THOHTS and beliefs.

This bears repeating:

1. Get into the NOW
2. Realize that you create your own reality.

Here is a suggestion:

Step away from your daily reality two or three times a day, even for just a few minutes. Get away from other people, noise, etc. Go outside for a few minutes, or to a quiet place. Find some object to focus on...a tree, a flower, some clouds, a rock, a mountain, whatever. Empty your thought processes of everything, stare intently at the object, and repeat this three times: "I create my own reality, and the present is my point of power." Try to feel and understand the intent and power of the words as you say them (silently or aloud). Feel the past and future dissolve away. There is only the NOW of you staring at the object and proclaiming your new reality. Then forget about it and go back to your daily life. After doing this two or three times a day for several weeks, I promise you will see a change. You may even get to the point where you want to meditate. (You may also notice an increase in psychic abilities.)

The point is we put the veil there ourselves with our THOHTS and the only way to tear it down is with our THOHTS. We must release those THOHT patterns that hold up the veil and replace them with THOHT patterns that bring ONEness back into our lives.

And time....

One thing I did long ago to help me was a little ceremony involving my wristwatch. I was in a nice quiet place in nature where I came frequently to find peace. I took off my Bulova and placed it on a big rock. I then found another rock--about the size and shape of a cantaloupe. After stilling my mind and taking some deep breaths, I dropped the cantaloupe-sized rock down onto my watch, smashing it to smithereens. It was my own personal way of releasing the grip TIME had on me. I've never worn a watch since. It is amazing how much we are all a slave to time. Our society works on time, though, so it is very hard to completely ignore it. The more we can loosen it's grip on us, though, the thinner the veil gets.

I've gone on enough.
It is time to take the dog out to pee, and say thanks to the night stars for being so awesome. I've made it a practice to never go to sleep until I've gone outside and looked up at the stars.

Milky Ways and Big Dippers,
White Feathe
copyright 2000 White Feather

Oh White Feather, thank you! I UNDERSTAND what you said to me. ALL of IT. That's the thing about these metaphysical concepts and new ways of looking at things. I ALMOST get it. I ALMOST understand it. Like hearing underwater. I Want to UNDERSTAND. I even pray to understand more. But some of it while believable to me still feels just out of my reach.
I CAN DO what you said and I will. I Know there's more to our lives than most people realize and I just haven't been able to find my way alone.
My thankfulness for this web site is one of the last conscience thoughts I have before I go to sleep at night. I am so happy to find you people and I can't wait until I'm able to
share the journey with others.
I sometimes feel a little selfish by asking so many questions but I'm hoping these are things others want to know too.
You're a wonderfully wise man and I appreciate you more than I can say!

Oh White Feather, thank you! I UNDERSTAND what you said to me. ALL of IT. That's the thing about these metaphysical concepts and new ways of looking at things. I ALMOST get it. I ALMOST understand it. Like hearing underwater. I Want to UNDERSTAND. I even pray to understand more. But some of it while believable to me still feels just out of my reach.
I CAN DO what you said and I will. I Know there's more to our lives than most people realize and I just haven't been able to find my way alone.
My thankfulness for this web site is one of the last conscience thoughts I have before I go to sleep at night. I am so happy to find you people and I can't wait until I'm able to
share the journey with others.
I sometimes feel a little selfish by asking so many questions but I'm hoping these are things others want to know too.
You're a wonderfully wise man and I appreciate you more than I can say!

Donna,
I was going though threads and I got off track and started to read this one. I found it very interesting your story and it got me curious about my own Saturn return. I went back and looked up the years this happened and I must say I was very surprised! When Saturn returned I got married and had my daughter and became pregnant with my third. I always thought it was a negative time or hard time for one to live through. I am happy that you are free from your marriage. I hope my next Saturn return is just as good and yours too!!!!
Peace&Love
Starcap67

Starcap67

Thank you, for the good wishes. I was sort of feeling a little embarrassed about posting such private stuff. But it was an astrologer friend of mine that explained why all this happened to me. I couldn't understand it at the time because I was a good wife and a good person and felt I didn't deserve the "bad" things that were happening. It was for soul growth.
Donna

Donna, there will come a day soon when everyONE is so psychic that they will automatically 'know' about your private stuff. Then, embarrassment would be sort of a waste of time, no? Of course, there is no need for it now, either. Sharing takes us to ONEness. We are all friends.

Now to a serious question for you: The Cayce readings stated that one's ascendant ruled what major physical afflictions we would have. Does this jibe with traditional astrology? The material I read was pretty convincing, and it seems to work in my own chart as well. Just curious what you might think.

White Feather

Hi White Feather

Thanks for the kind words and yes, I do feel we are all friends here.

As far as the Cayce material, it is correct, as the Ascendent is the physical body. Traditional astrology also will relate afflictions from that point and others also, with aspects influencing and house position of planets. In the Cayce material, he agreed and disagreed at times with traditional Astrology. He always referred to Pluto as Septimus.

I have found a very reliable chart that not too many use. It was written about by Robert Carl Jansky and is called a South Nodal Chart. You place the South node on the first house as the degree of the Ascendent and the North node on the Descendent as the degree of the 7th house, all other houses are in equal degrees and follow the signs around. The ascendent represents the top of the head and the descendent represents the soles of the feet.
You then place your planets in the corresponding signs in the houses.
House 1 + 12 represent the head down to the collar bone

House 2 + 11 represent the collar bone down to the diaphragm, everything in the chest

House 3 + 10 represent the stomach, upper
small intestine, liver, spleen and pancreas, extending down to an imaginary line through the kundalini point just below the navel.

House 4 + 9 reresent the lower abdoman, rectum, kidneys, bladder, large intestine and organs of reproduciton, and the hips

House 5 + 8 represent the buttocks and upper legs, extending down to an imaginary line drawn through the center of each knee cap.

House 6 + 7 represent the lower legs and feet.

The houses 1 thru 6 represent the right side of the body.
The houses 7 thru 12 represent the left side of the body.

The center of the chart wheel does not represent the navel, but rather the Oriental word called the kundalini point, the point of connection between the physical and etheric bodies. They say this is the point Buddha contemplated and not his navel during meditation.

I have used this a lot for my family to reveal physical afflicitons. I also found it to be true, in hindsight for me when I sprained my right ankle, for all the planets on the right side in those particular houses were receiving apects.

Oh, one thing interesting, there is a left handed signature in a South Nodal chart which indicates the person who will be left handed. It is the Sun above the horizen and 6 other planets in houses 6 thru 12, the left side of the chart.

This information came from a holistic. homeopathic Doctor in England and he taught it to Jansky. It works. It surprises me that so few use it. I just thought you might be interested in it.

Donna

Greetings, everyONE!

Here's something that just struck me....

Let's forget letters for a moment and stick with phonetics. We'll just go by the sound of a word, rather than the spelling....

What does NOW sound like backwards?

The answer: ONE!

So ONEness can indeed be found in the NOW.

Vowels and consonants,
White Feather

I thought I was done, but something else came to me....

Let's look at the two words; ONE and WON. They sound the same, but....

ONE represents ONEness, and WON represents that ONEness split into duality. There is a duality to WON because you can't have a winner without a loser, right?

Now let's look at the numerology of those two words. ONE is an 8, the number of infinity. WON is a 9, the number of competition, aggression, and war (among other things).

Clues clues everywhere,
White Feather

Well, I thought I was done again, but then I noticed the two double 8s in my last two posting times. Goodness, gracious. When worked out, those two double 8s turn into a double 7, the number of spirit.

Letters and numbers,
White Feather

Greetings Donna,

I forgot to thank you for that incredible astrology information. I think I have learned more astrology from you here in Lindaland than I've learned in all the rest of my life. I am just now getting around to reconciling my own chart with the house information you gave. And I have to say that it is pretty darn amazing.

Stars and Donna,
White Feather

Wow! what a great thread! I've been to this website a couple times before, but I never got past star chat. Now I see where all the good stuff is.

Donna, are you the same Donna that I was speaking with in another forum just the other day? You've got to be. I have enjoyed your very intelligent posts.

White feather, you sound familiar too, but I don't recall ever seeing your name. Do you use other names? Are you a channeler or something?

I enjoyed everyone's postings. Thank you very much. I don't have much to add, although I think I better read up on Linda Goodman. I read parts of Star Signs years ago, but nothing else by her. Astrology has always seemed so daunting to me. I think it could be studied one's entire life and the subject would never be exhausted.

Bainbridge here

Hi Bainbridge

Welcome to LindaLand. Yep, it's me, the same one.

White Feather

I am so glad you were able to use the South Nodal chart. It is amazing isn't it?
I had written to Matrix Blue Star several years ago to include it in their program, but alas, they never even acknowledged receipt of my letter.

Donna

Hi Donna,

I am still trying to figure it out, but so far it sure makes sense. I will have questions for you soon--as soon as I can formulate them.

Greetings, Bainbridge, and welcome to Lindaland. No, I don't use any other name except the name given to me by White Buffalo Calf Woman. I might be something, but I am not a channeler. I would never hang that label around my neck. I speak only for myself and take full responsibility for what I say. There is nothing wrong with channeling, don't get me wrong. Channeling is cool and very helpful, and we all do it to some degree. I've done a lot of it myself, but that just isn't my bag right now. I am into different methodology.

Welcome Bainbridge,

So glad you joined us here. I did the same thing at the beginning back in December. It seems that I would just go to Star Chat and read and rarely post. But in the Linda Goodman forum, I really feel like I am learning and sharing with so many people of similar interests. It doesn't mean we don't cross over to the other forums from time to time,as there subjects of interst in all of the forums.

Yes, astrology definitely is a lifetime subject. Just learning the language of astrology takes awhile.

Donna, That book by Robert Carl Jansky, what is the exact title and is it available today? I think you may have more metaphysical books than any metaphysical bookstore. You are the SOURCE, especially for astrology books. LOL

Love and Rainbows to All,
Dolphin2

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