I have the Relationships book and I've been
trying to check mine and my husbands charts but I cannot figure out whose Saturn is in
charge of the karmic lessons for us. Sometimes I can't see the forest for the
trees but this is hard for me and if any of
you have the time or inclination to help me
it would be appreciated. I don't want to bother Dave right now so here's the info to
work with. I'm 12-19-54 asc probally Gemini and my husband is 08-27-52 asc Leo. I've read
about trine and sextile and square but alot
of our planets are 1 sign apart or 5 signs apart and I don't know what to do with those.
He is my best friend and we have literally been together since our first date. (He never left!) and we've been married almost 15 years. We've endured the death of a child and
an almost fatal bout with cancer and I'm the one of us who looks for reasons for everything. I'm sure there's lessons to learn
here, our daughter's death is what really started my search for meaning but sometimes
I'm not clear on what I'm supposed to be learning. This is really hard for me to "talk" about but I have never felt so close
to any group of people as I do all of you. I truly treasure all the threads and just knowing there are really good kind souls out there. After work I love to come to Lindaland instead of watching the nightly news and I feel alot better after spending time with you. Whew, that's the most I've ever typed. I welcome all input. Thanks

I too am a bit confused as to if Saturn truly is the teacher..If it IS then maybe its in a "silent" type of way..sometimes not shown to us until much later.
Im speaking from something personal..I felt I was the teacher at one point but our charts said HE was..this really confused me!
Sorry, I wish I could be of assistance to you!

Hi Peggy

Your post was very touching and written from the heart. I did a quick solar chart on both of you, but it won't be as accurate as one with time, place and date.
You both have some pretty amazing cross aspects. I can see why you question the Saturn aspects. My gosh, you each have Saturn conjunct each other's moon, although your Moon is further away from his Saturn than his Moon is from your Saturn. There isn't one Saturn in charge of the other, so to speak. The stronger pull may be your husband's due the the closer orb, but it definitely is a mutual karmic aspect that seems fairly balanced.
Since I didn't have birth times, these are only based on the date, not longitude and latitude of place of birth, nor time. Two important factors. But still, it was easy to see the cross aspects between the two of you and there are a lot of trines and sextiles and conjunctions.

Donna

Aries, Donna- thanks for replying. I always
thought I was the teacher for us but I'm
really not sure. I just love to read and
do research but he always wants me to tell
him what I found out. He was born in St. Ignatius Montana near Ronan at 3:23am. I was born in Mesa, Arizona "around supper time" that's as close an answer I can get from Mom and Dad till my birth certificate arrives.
It will probally be another 2 weeks. It wasn't love at first sight for us but it was
love at first kiss because there was an instant recognition for me when that happened. I'd kissed my fair share of frogs waiting on my prince so I knew something special was about to happen. Are there any soul mate-twin soul aspects? Which house or
aspect relates to health? Any info is appreciated.
Donna, are you a nurse?
Did you say in another post that you hadn't really made friends where you live now?That's hard to believe. You seem very nurturing.;
Anyway thanks for helping me find my karmic
lessons. I always try to learn my lessons
whether I like it or Not!

aspects of "karma" will show in the Saturn to their moon,sun, venus..Pluto to their sun, moon and venus also. trust me..this works!! the nodes and chiron apparently have karmic involvement but im not fully convinced...still researching this. You should have known when you looked into his eyes tho..before the kiss..the look in the eyes would have told you the kiss would be good..hehe When I have more time later..I will look at your charts..the times arent needed for the sun and venus against his saturn and pluto..but the time IS needed for the moon and rising signs.
Karmic lessons are NOT always fun to learn nor or karmic relationships easy to have..one example sorry to say is Nicole and OJ..they had karmic ties and from all accounts will be back to learn the lessons..unless its to late for them now.

Peggy

I'll get back to you when I get the actual charts done. You were born in Mesa?
I love Arizona. I used to live in Tucson, but Sedona is my favorite. I get to go to Phoenix every year to visit my brother. I'm in Penna., so its a long trip.
I wonder if you got me mixed up with Freebird, she wrote about not making any friends where she lives in her Magic thread.
I am a nurse, and I probably am a little maternal, I have my Sun in Cancer, so I do tend to nurture a bit.
Oh, where are you now, still in Az.?

Donna

Oh my gosh Aries, we just posted at almost the same time. I have to go to the grocery store and will be out for a while, so I won't be doing any charts for awhile. I am leaving it up to you. Hey, do you remember that song that says those very same words? Maybe not, its from a long time ago.
Donna

Aries, not wanting to stir up any debates, but I just had to throw this up since you mentioned OJ and Nicole. OJ DID NOT kill Nicole or Goldman. He DID NOT pay to have it done. He's innocent. I k-now it looks bad, but as always, the Truth will surface. Just re-member--you heard it from Deathnomore first! Peace to the wrongly accused.

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Hi you all!!! In my opinion, when Saturn plays a role, both involved, are given a chance to learn something. It certainly sounds that way in your charts, Peggy. Sounds to me like it hasn't done any harm to your relationship. You sound quite fond of the feller. Keep in mind that not all lessons have to be difficult. Some can even be fun.

It probably was poor, friendless me that you read about. I did mention that I don't have any friends in the area where I am living. Bless the e-mail, I do still keep in touch with friends. Some very special ones at that! I went through one other period of my life friendless. It lasted for 5 long years. At first I thought there was something wrong with me. After it was all over, I realized that I had spent those 5 years getting in touch with myS-elf and that was exactly what I needed at the time. Things tend to ebb and flow in my life and I think in a great many other people's lives. At least this time I have so many people here in Linda Land to keep me connected. I'm sure that when the time is right, I'll get back into the mainstream. Right now, I am happy where I am.

Wishing you all Sunshine and Roses

Freebird

I'll get my relationships book out
and look at the saturn and pluto
against the sun,moon,and venus and
see what I can learn. I think I did
confuse parts of Donna and Freebird
but I think I've got it straight now.
Freebird, I understand what you're saying
about having time to yourself to get in
touch with yourself. It IS time consuming
and sometimes we don't take the proper
amount of time to do that for ourselves.
It's admirable that you do.
Donna I was only born in Arizona I was
raised in the midwest. I went back when I
was about 18 and thought it was beautiful but
it didn't feel like "HOME". Where I was
raised didn't either but I've been in Tennessee for 25 years and it definately feels like home. I've never been to the east
coast except for Florida and I would like to
see Virginia, especially Virginia Beach probally because of Edgar Cayce. I would also
love to go to Cripple Creek sometime. AHH someday.
Deathnomore, would you tell us why you think O.J. is innocent. I did in the very beginning because I could not believe someone
would kill their childrens mother and leave her dead body for the children to find but when I watched the trial as I did almost daily to learn how the system really works, I
changed my mind. I think he may have been out
of his mind on drugs but I think he still did it. But I've got an open mind so will you explain what you think? Just curious but that seems true of most of us here, don't you think?

Greetings, everyONE,

First, I should say that I am rather ignorant about astrology. So please excuse me if I am way off the mark.

Anyway, I remember Edgar Cayce talking about Saturn being a planet that offers us the chance to wipe the slate clean (of karma) and start again. Saturn gives us a second chance. Examples were given concerning Cayce's two lives as John Bainbridge. The second Bainbridge incarnation came in under Saturn, offering him a chance to make up for the bad karma he accumulated during the first Bainbridge incarnation. Donna, do you know anything about this? If anyone does, you do. I should probably look it up instead of relying on the ole noggin. If I find it, I'll be back....

Stars and planets,
White Feather

I wont even rebut that one Death. Any woman whos ever been abused knows who did it.

Aries, you seem to have ignored my words and placed your own into my mouth! I NEVER said OJ was a great human being! He treated Nicole horribly--but he didn't kill her. Peace.

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Deathnomore, will you please tell us
why you think OJ is innocent? I'm always
willing to reconsider my opinions and I'd
very much like to know how you came to
yours. Actually theres about a dozen subjects
I'd like your opinion on but maybe I will
ask you later.
I know one thing,after watching that trial
on tv I'm suprised anyone ever gets convicted.
I just really felt that the verdict was
wrong and it made me sick to my stomach and
I actually cried which is not something I do easily.
I guess it was just another system that doesn't work like it's supposed to.
Or maybe it did work like it's supposed to-
I just don't know.

The system rarely works like it is supposed to. *sigh* But just say that it is a psychic hunch. I k-now he was innocent (of that crime only), and I k-now the Truth will come out (at which time OJ will do movies again). Don't get me wrong--I can't stand the guy! Peace.

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"Maybe it's intuition. Some things you just don't question. Like in your eyes, I see my future in an instant..." I Knew I Loved You Before I Met You--by Savage Garden

Whitefeather-I still don't understand the
Saturn aspect. Where in your chart must it
fall to wipe out karma like you were saying?
I guess I'm just mostly trying to figure out
who's leading this dance. I always thought we
both were but in the Relationship book it
says when certain aspects are one way or the
other one is the teacher and one is the student. If you are one sign apart in some aspects for example, it's not conjunct-trine-sextile -what is it? Or say
5 signs away. Do you just disregard those?
I know this is supposed to be easy with the
book but I'm having a tough time. Donna, Aries, Rainbow, anyone who understands this if you have time to take a look I sure would
appreciate it.
Different subject but has anyone heard of Coral Castle? I just heard of it today and
it was very fascinating. They said this man
literally built this thing by himself, no
machinery and most of the stones are twice as
big as the ones in the Egyptian pyramids.Even
the scientists had to agree he found some way
to defy gravity. I love it when the scientists are stumped! I've been to Florida
several times but I'd never heard of it till today. Love that History Channel!

Hi Peggy,

Boy, I am pretty confused about it, too. I will try to find the book and get back to you.

White Feather

hi Peggy..Im not yet convinced about Saturn. I KNOW it has something to do with karma and past relationships..but other than that.. Im skeptical about it being the "teacher". I dont know YET, and this is based on my own personal experience with Saturn and cross-aspects with others charts.

Donna, Aries,Rainbow anyone who can do charts-I just got my birth certificate
today and I am a Gemini Ascendent. Time of birth 4:52pm in Mesa Arizona 12-19-54. He is
8-27-52 3:23am Ronan Montana. If there is
any definative info in your books about the
Saturn aspect between us or soul-mate connections I would like to know.
Donna-
I have Linda's Relationship book and Love Signs and Star Signs but could you recommend any other astrology books for beginners?
Anyone?
Thanks everyone!

Peggy

I will get a list together and get back to you.
Oh, and by the way, when I did your chart, I played around with the time and came up with 4:47, so I was 5 minutes off.

Donna

Hi Peggy

I have 2 very good books for beginners.
The first is The Only Way to Learn Astrology Volume 1 by Marion March and Joan McEvers. I like their style, they start out slow and explain things in orderly fashion, so as not to get one all confused.

The second one is a favorite of mine. It is a wonderful book and has a lot of Karmic aspects listed in the back of it. It is A Spiritual Approach to Astrology by Myrna Lofthus.

Now there is a third book that I just got because I looked through it and liked what I saw. The title threw me off and that is why I picked it up, I expected it to be awful, just from the title. I was peasantly surprised with the information and the work that went into it. It is written by an astrologer and is jam packed full of great tidbits and has a great reference list in the back. Ok, now that I said all that, I will tell you the name of the book, just don't be put off by it, like I was. It is called The Complete Idiot's Guide to Astrology. I can tell you, I was ready to write to them about that title until I read the intro by Noel Tyl. He is one of the "greats" in modern astrology.

Hope I helped a little.

Love,
Donna

Thank you Donna for the recommendations on the books. I laughed at the last one because
I almost bought "Astrology for Dummies" (I actually thought it was appropiate) but I wanted to ask you before I bought any books.
I think you're a very smart lady and it "tickles" me to think of you reading "Idiots
Guide to Astrology". I guess we can't take
ourselves to seriously, right? That was pretty amazing that you "guessed" my birth time within 5 minutes. I want to be able to do that. I WILL be able to do that SOON I hope. Thank you again!

hi Peggy! actually the astrology for dummies is a very good booK!!!

peggy..sorry I read that request to look at the charts a bit late..I'll take a look tonight tho moons in Aqua..good time for me to do it

Hi Peggy,

I found the book I thought I was referencing before, but I could not find it in the book. So now I am really confused. But I do remember more of what Cayce was talking about. He was actually talking about what planet we go to BETWEEN LIVES. I haven't a clue how this translates to our birth charts, or if it even does.

Let me say again that I am pretty ignorant about astrology. With that said, let me now shoot off at the mouth....

The teacher - student relationship is one of duality. That is not bad. We live in a dimension of duality. Saturn has something to teach, so we learn using duality. We help each other by taking on the teacher - student roles. And of course we switch roles continuously, often with the same person. Although this continuous role-switching can teach us a great deal, it also creates karma. I am thinking that perhaps two people who have traded the teacher-student role many many times, have decided to evolve together. I think Saturn may play a part in balancing that yin-yang/teacher-student energy so that the best lessons come to us as we need them. But I think it is also Saturn that wipes out that karma built up from such a relationship, so that the two entities have a clean slate to move on to the next step in their evolvement, a step that goes beyond the teacher-student relationship. If there is doubt as to who the teacher is and who the student is, perhaps it is time you are moving beyond that student-teacher relationship. You may still be learning together, but without the role-playing. Perhaps you are moving beyond duality into a oneness in which your partner learns BECAUSE you do, and you learn BECAUSE your partner does. Teaching and studenting are no longer necessary. For this to work a very close connection must exist between partners, one that is not fettered by layers of karma. When the two partners are crystal clear between each other (and the karma has been cleared away by Saturn--or our will), then they learn almost by osmosis. Your partner could be across town learning something, and, lo and behold, so are you! Partners at this stage are very psychic and telepathic with each other. The teacher-student relationship is a lot like sex. It is yin and yang through and through. And as anyone knows, sex can be a lot of fun. But there is a third element called ONEness, which, when thrown in with a supremely balanced yin and yang, creates a window through which we can evolve. The teacher-student relationship has been a very useful tool in our evolvement, but it will only get us up to a certain rung on the ladder. To procede onward we must engage new tools. And I guess Saturn helps us do that by helping us let go of the tools we have been using.

How's that for an astrological illiterate?

Donna? Does Saturn have anything to do with what I was saying? And are you familiar with any of the Edgar Cayce material on astrology? I've read all the other Cayce books, but the ones on astrology I've just skimmed. (It is like reading a book written in two foreign languages at once: the Edgar Cayce foreign language, and astrology--which is a foreign language to me.)

Peggy, are you done teaching yet? Are you done being taught yet? There are better and easier ways to learn. One way is to connect with ONEness. With a crystal clear connection to ONEness, we can access whatever we need to know, we can access the collective intelligence of ALL THAT IS. There is no longer any need to learn, because learning--though effective-- is a struggle. Accessing information is merely an opening up, and is not a struggle. In the meantime, we are all helping each other get to that point, and bless each of us for whatever we are doing to that end.

Chalk and erasers,
White Feather

Dear White Feather

That was excellent!! Quite an analogy and so correct. I believe they are both teaching each other. Saturn gets a bad rap because he is restrictive, but not in the sense that he holds back, he teaches and in restricting, it may be to learn not to do something that isn't of benefit, so that is restrictive. If Saturn teaches you not to do drugs, that is holding back, but it is good. Do you see what I mean?

Peggy You will learn as you are interested. I do not know how I do that, but I think I tune in psychically, but I don't know. It has to do with a feeling I get when I draw up a chart.

Aries I didn't know they had one out for Dummies. Looks like I have another book to buy

Donna

Wow, Whitefeather that was incredible. I have to digest that before I really even know what to say, except of course, Thank you.
Donna, are you saying by our charts we have evolved past the teacher-student relationship or is it not in the chart-just something you eventually KNOW.
My first brush with astrology was probally like most peoples -my sun sign vs his sun sign. Sag vs Virgo not particularly compatible but it made me want to dig deeper
because we are VERY compatible. We're also very different but except for rare occasions
we really appreciate our differences.
He is the only person I've ever known that didn't make me feel uncomfortable about reading Linda Goodman, Edgar Cayce and any and all "far-OUT" ideas but he doesn't like to read and he will tell me to do the studing and give him the cliff notes. So maybe that's where I got the idea I was the teacher and him the student.
But recently after a near fatal bout with cancer my husband has shown such a determined WILL to stay alive that other people are commenting that he has a "blessed" radiance about him. We are not particularly religious
although we both strongly believe in God.
After my daughter's death and his sickness I have been living my life in tremendous FEAR.Fear of loss of everyone I love. That is what I am really working on overcoming. Maybe that's what he's teaching me.
If there is ANYTHING I can do to get off this teadmill of fear and loss I must do it
so I won't attract it to us.
Well that was more than I meant to say but I feel better having said it.
I really do feel alot better since I found this site. You all are so uplifting. I found it by writing Crystal a thank you note for continuing Linda's work. What a blessing it has been for so many and I know it will continue to be. We must make it so.

Dear Peggy

I believe you are both each other's teacher, just in different ways. If your husband gets his information from you from your reading, then he gives his input when you discuss it. His insight may teach you. It is both give and take. How lucky you are to have this. This is great compatibility.

Ok, I didn't want to go into this either, but I will share my story of my Saturn return. When I turned 29, things were so bad in my marriage, my husband cheated all the time. He had girlfriends all over and he said it was just sex for sex. I was hurt, he said we had sex and love. So, his mother told me the Devil had me and I should burn all my astrology books and metaphysical books. So I did. I had a big bonfire out back. I read the Bible every day. Still, my husband did not stop cheating. Things were really bad by the time I hit my 33rd birthday. He left me for another woman, very much younger,(19) she was having his baby, something I couldn't do. I was devastated. I watched him pull out of our driveway with a Ryder truck full of 1/2 of our belongings. I collapsed and was unable to breathe I was crying so hard. The next month my grandfather died, 6 months later my grandmother died. Six months later my Mother died. From Aug to Aug. I lost 4 people I loved. It was the hardest thing I ever went through in my life. All I can say, is thank god I had Edgar Cayce, Astrology, belief in Reincarnation, or I would have killed myself. I began replacing the books I burned, because I knew Christianity wasn't for me, that is when I became a Wiccan, the year was 1978. I had refused to heed my Saturn return, because I was meant to let go of Ken when I instigated divorce proceedings at 29. I just couldn't let go, so Saturn came in and helped me. I got back into the belief system I had before, because I never really beleived in the Devil, as his mother said had a hold of me. I survived that awful year 22 years ago, because of my metaphysical beliefs. They were what kept me going, I searched and sought to find answers. The day of my mother's funeral, we had to drive past a restaurant diner where truckers ate, standing outside talking and laughing to two other men was my husband. He never sent me a note, a card or any acknowledgement of my mother's death. I knew then, that I could always get another husband, but I could never get another mother. That is when I began healing.

So Peggy, what I am telling you is, I am so glad you were able to share your fears and some of your history. That is healing. As for your fears, do not give them life. Cherish each moment you have with your husband, enjoy your compatibility. Know that your daughter is safe and growing on the "other side". To this day, my mother will leave messages to me in my dreams. One morning I had overslept and it was my Mom's voice calling me to get up for work. Another time, the clock stopped at exactly 5PM on April 26, the date and time she and my dad got married. So, I may have lost my Mom in the physical, but she is still with me in the Spiritual. I tried not to hold my Mother's spiritual progress back at her Death, by keeping her Earthbound. I talked to her in Spirit and told her I released her to go on with her Journey, that helped me with the grieving process more than anything. Because she still comes back to me every once in a while to check up.

Oh, and by the way, my ex husband still cheats on every wife he had,(so it wasn't just me) and any girlfriend he has. We have Venus (mine) conjunct Pluto(his) to hold us besides some other very Karmic ties. We are still in contact to this day, never having any children to have a reason to keep in contact. But he is the one who contacts me and I think he always will. But the hard lesson Saturn taught me was about love. Not to let it consume me, not to be obsessed with it. To not let love keep me from learning and growing with knowledge. I happen to have Venus conjunct Pluto in Leo in my own chart.

Whoops, I left a lot of personal stuff out, so against my Scorpio Rising.

Donna

Deathnomore,
I wasn't going to reply to your OJ comment butI must confess I am a bit impulsive! Have you ever heard of Speech Reversal? O.J. "confessed" to killing Nicole and Goldman in an interview taken by the police the day he was questioned . You can go to reversal speech.com and listen for youself.
I was convinced he did it in the first place so this only seals it for ME.
Peace&Love Starcap67

Whitefeather, you have given me alot to think about but unfortunately I need to ask you a
few more questions.
I love the idea of being able to learn without it being a struggle-going up another
rung on the ladder. But can someone who can't even meditate move up the ladder. I guess I thought this must come in stages. Do you will it into being so or work it into being so? Or just believe and it IS so.
Donna, thank you for sharing your story with me. We all have our scars from this carosel ride don't we.
Do you think that is the purpose of hard times? To make us look within to find the truth for ourselves. Do you think we must have pain to grow? If there's another way, I'm ready for it. I want to be positive and grow without so much pain.
I'd like to e-mail you privately if you don't mind. It's hard to put one's life story on the world wide web but our stories help us understand each other better. At least it does for me.
Thank you all kind friends for your generosity of spirit.

awesome Donna and I agree with your statement about "both" of them being the teacher.

Peggy

Yes, email me. Ask Greg to send your email to me.

Hi Aries

Donna

Starcap, police interrogations have that effect on people. The Truth will be revealed soon. Peace.

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Greetings, Peggy!

What we are talking about is the VEIL...

We are on one side of the veil, and on the other side is ONEness. ONEness can also be called All That Is, or whatever you choose. ONEness is the THOHT that created this universe. ONEness is what we are all a part of. ONEness is where we came from. ONEness contains the memory and knowledge of everything. To access that ONEness is to know whatever we need to know. To access that ONEness we can make quantum leaps in our evolvement. We came from ONEness, and it is with ONEness that we need to realign ourselves in order to make that next evolutionary quantum leap. But the impediment keeping us from accessing that ONEness is the veil...

It is because of the veil that most of us are not even aware of ONEness. It is the veil that protects us from the humongous onslaught of information that we would be bombarded with should we come into sudden direct contact with ONEness. It is the veil that keeps us from seeing our other selves, those other fragments of our oversouls that are living their own lives simultaneously in other places and times. (Past and future lives.) It is the veil that allows us to live and experience in a dimension of duality. We had to forget our ONEness in order to learn how to navigate duality, and that, after all, was our mission; to experience duality in every way we could. There is no leaving the amusement park until we have ridden every ride. So the veil has been very helpful to us, allowing us to evolve at our own speed and giving us the chance to ride all the rides, so to speak.

But evolving necessitates a thinning of the veil. There will come a day soon when the veil will be lifted completely. We are evolving, so it is inetivable. But we don't have to wait for it to happen, we can make it happen for ourselves. (or we can wait it out, too) The more people who do it, the easier it becomes for those who haven't done it yet, which means that it will get easier almost without trying. To dissolve or tear down the veil, it is best to understand what the veil is made of.

The veil is constructed of vibrational patternings. The only thing holding up the veil is the patterns of consciousness which we, as humankind, maintain. Our thoughts are vibrational energy. WE CREATE OUR REALITY WITH THE THOHTS AND BELIEFS WE HOLD! With 6+ billion people on the planet, there are a lot of THOHTS and beliefs going out to hold and maintain the veil. The veil is maintained by our gestalts, our psychosis, our fears, our religious beliefs, our heirarchies, our issues of separateness and lack, our issues of self-worth, and all the robotic patterns of consciousness we employ to dull us to the orgasmic thrill of living in this world. And one of the biggest things holding up the veil is our staunch beleif in TIME!

TIME IS AN ILLUSION! Once the veil is lifted, we will go by universal time, which exists only in the NOW. In fact, NOW is where you will find ONEness, and that is how time keeps us from ONEness. When we live in the past or the future, we will not find ONEness, because ONEness can only be found in the present. Time is the main support that holds up the veil.

Meditation is just a tool. The teacher-student relationship is just a tool. They can help us to tear down the veil, but whatever tool we use, we must realize that what we are trying to do is to change our patterns of THOHT. That is all it takes.

Peggy, don't worry if you can't meditate right now. Maybe it is not time yet. The main two keys are to get into the NOW, and to realize that you create your own reality with your THOHTS and beliefs.

This bears repeating:

1. Get into the NOW
2. Realize that you create your own reality.

Here is a suggestion:

Step away from your daily reality two or three times a day, even for just a few minutes. Get away from other people, noise, etc. Go outside for a few minutes, or to a quiet place. Find some object to focus on...a tree, a flower, some clouds, a rock, a mountain, whatever. Empty your thought processes of everything, stare intently at the object, and repeat this three times: "I create my own reality, and the present is my point of power." Try to feel and understand the intent and power of the words as you say them (silently or aloud). Feel the past and future dissolve away. There is only the NOW of you staring at the object and proclaiming your new reality. Then forget about it and go back to your daily life. After doing this two or three times a day for several weeks, I promise you will see a change. You may even get to the point where you want to meditate. (You may also notice an increase in psychic abilities.)

The point is we put the veil there ourselves with our THOHTS and the only way to tear it down is with our THOHTS. We must release those THOHT patterns that hold up the veil and replace them with THOHT patterns that bring ONEness back into our lives.

And time....

One thing I did long ago to help me was a little ceremony involving my wristwatch. I was in a nice quiet place in nature where I came frequently to find peace. I took off my Bulova and placed it on a big rock. I then found another rock--about the size and shape of a cantaloupe. After stilling my mind and taking some deep breaths, I dropped the cantaloupe-sized rock down onto my watch, smashing it to smithereens. It was my own personal way of releasing the grip TIME had on me. I've never worn a watch since. It is amazing how much we are all a slave to time. Our society works on time, though, so it is very hard to completely ignore it. The more we can loosen it's grip on us, though, the thinner the veil gets.

I've gone on enough.
It is time to take the dog out to pee, and say thanks to the night stars for being so awesome. I've made it a practice to never go to sleep until I've gone outside and looked up at the stars.

Milky Ways and Big Dippers,
White Feathe
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Oh White Feather, thank you! I UNDERSTAND what you said to me. ALL of IT. That's the thing about these metaphysical concepts and new ways of looking at things. I ALMOST get it. I ALMOST understand it. Like hearing underwater. I Want to UNDERSTAND. I even pray to understand more. But some of it while believable to me still feels just out of my reach.
I CAN DO what you said and I will. I Know there's more to our lives than most people realize and I just haven't been able to find my way alone.
My thankfulness for this web site is one of the last conscience thoughts I have before I go to sleep at night. I am so happy to find you people and I can't wait until I'm able to
share the journey with others.
I sometimes feel a little selfish by asking so many questions but I'm hoping these are things others want to know too.
You're a wonderfully wise man and I appreciate you more than I can say!

Oh White Feather, thank you! I UNDERSTAND what you said to me. ALL of IT. That's the thing about these metaphysical concepts and new ways of looking at things. I ALMOST get it. I ALMOST understand it. Like hearing underwater. I Want to UNDERSTAND. I even pray to understand more. But some of it while believable to me still feels just out of my reach.
I CAN DO what you said and I will. I Know there's more to our lives than most people realize and I just haven't been able to find my way alone.
My thankfulness for this web site is one of the last conscience thoughts I have before I go to sleep at night. I am so happy to find you people and I can't wait until I'm able to
share the journey with others.
I sometimes feel a little selfish by asking so many questions but I'm hoping these are things others want to know too.
You're a wonderfully wise man and I appreciate you more than I can say!

Donna,
I was going though threads and I got off track and started to read this one. I found it very interesting your story and it got me curious about my own Saturn return. I went back and looked up the years this happened and I must say I was very surprised! When Saturn returned I got married and had my daughter and became pregnant with my third. I always thought it was a negative time or hard time for one to live through. I am happy that you are free from your marriage. I hope my next Saturn return is just as good and yours too!!!!
Peace&Love
Starcap67

Starcap67

Thank you, for the good wishes. I was sort of feeling a little embarrassed about posting such private stuff. But it was an astrologer friend of mine that explained why all this happened to me. I couldn't understand it at the time because I was a good wife and a good person and felt I didn't deserve the "bad" things that were happening. It was for soul growth.
Donna

Donna, there will come a day soon when everyONE is so psychic that they will automatically 'know' about your private stuff. Then, embarrassment would be sort of a waste of time, no? Of course, there is no need for it now, either. Sharing takes us to ONEness. We are all friends.

Now to a serious question for you: The Cayce readings stated that one's ascendant ruled what major physical afflictions we would have. Does this jibe with traditional astrology? The material I read was pretty convincing, and it seems to work in my own chart as well. Just curious what you might think.

White Feather

Hi White Feather

Thanks for the kind words and yes, I do feel we are all friends here.

As far as the Cayce material, it is correct, as the Ascendent is the physical body. Traditional astrology also will relate afflictions from that point and others also, with aspects influencing and house position of planets. In the Cayce material, he agreed and disagreed at times with traditional Astrology. He always referred to Pluto as Septimus.

I have found a very reliable chart that not too many use. It was written about by Robert Carl Jansky and is called a South Nodal Chart. You place the South node on the first house as the degree of the Ascendent and the North node on the Descendent as the degree of the 7th house, all other houses are in equal degrees and follow the signs around. The ascendent represents the top of the head and the descendent represents the soles of the feet.
You then place your planets in the corresponding signs in the houses.
House 1 + 12 represent the head down to the collar bone

House 2 + 11 represent the collar bone down to the diaphragm, everything in the chest

House 3 + 10 represent the stomach, upper
small intestine, liver, spleen and pancreas, extending down to an imaginary line through the kundalini point just below the navel.

House 4 + 9 reresent the lower abdoman, rectum, kidneys, bladder, large intestine and organs of reproduciton, and the hips

House 5 + 8 represent the buttocks and upper legs, extending down to an imaginary line drawn through the center of each knee cap.

House 6 + 7 represent the lower legs and feet.

The houses 1 thru 6 represent the right side of the body.
The houses 7 thru 12 represent the left side of the body.

The center of the chart wheel does not represent the navel, but rather the Oriental word called the kundalini point, the point of connection between the physical and etheric bodies. They say this is the point Buddha contemplated and not his navel during meditation.

I have used this a lot for my family to reveal physical afflicitons. I also found it to be true, in hindsight for me when I sprained my right ankle, for all the planets on the right side in those particular houses were receiving apects.

Oh, one thing interesting, there is a left handed signature in a South Nodal chart which indicates the person who will be left handed. It is the Sun above the horizen and 6 other planets in houses 6 thru 12, the left side of the chart.

This information came from a holistic. homeopathic Doctor in England and he taught it to Jansky. It works. It surprises me that so few use it. I just thought you might be interested in it.

Donna

Greetings, everyONE!

Here's something that just struck me....

Let's forget letters for a moment and stick with phonetics. We'll just go by the sound of a word, rather than the spelling....

What does NOW sound like backwards?

The answer: ONE!

So ONEness can indeed be found in the NOW.

Vowels and consonants,
White Feather

I thought I was done, but something else came to me....

Let's look at the two words; ONE and WON. They sound the same, but....

ONE represents ONEness, and WON represents that ONEness split into duality. There is a duality to WON because you can't have a winner without a loser, right?

Now let's look at the numerology of those two words. ONE is an 8, the number of infinity. WON is a 9, the number of competition, aggression, and war (among other things).

Clues clues everywhere,
White Feather

Well, I thought I was done again, but then I noticed the two double 8s in my last two posting times. Goodness, gracious. When worked out, those two double 8s turn into a double 7, the number of spirit.

Letters and numbers,
White Feather

Greetings Donna,

I forgot to thank you for that incredible astrology information. I think I have learned more astrology from you here in Lindaland than I've learned in all the rest of my life. I am just now getting around to reconciling my own chart with the house information you gave. And I have to say that it is pretty darn amazing.

Stars and Donna,
White Feather

Wow! what a great thread! I've been to this website a couple times before, but I never got past star chat. Now I see where all the good stuff is.

Donna, are you the same Donna that I was speaking with in another forum just the other day? You've got to be. I have enjoyed your very intelligent posts.

White feather, you sound familiar too, but I don't recall ever seeing your name. Do you use other names? Are you a channeler or something?

I enjoyed everyone's postings. Thank you very much. I don't have much to add, although I think I better read up on Linda Goodman. I read parts of Star Signs years ago, but nothing else by her. Astrology has always seemed so daunting to me. I think it could be studied one's entire life and the subject would never be exhausted.

Bainbridge here

Hi Bainbridge

Welcome to LindaLand. Yep, it's me, the same one.

White Feather

I am so glad you were able to use the South Nodal chart. It is amazing isn't it?
I had written to Matrix Blue Star several years ago to include it in their program, but alas, they never even acknowledged receipt of my letter.

Donna

Hi Donna,

I am still trying to figure it out, but so far it sure makes sense. I will have questions for you soon--as soon as I can formulate them.

Greetings, Bainbridge, and welcome to Lindaland. No, I don't use any other name except the name given to me by White Buffalo Calf Woman. I might be something, but I am not a channeler. I would never hang that label around my neck. I speak only for myself and take full responsibility for what I say. There is nothing wrong with channeling, don't get me wrong. Channeling is cool and very helpful, and we all do it to some degree. I've done a lot of it myself, but that just isn't my bag right now. I am into different methodology.

Welcome Bainbridge,

So glad you joined us here. I did the same thing at the beginning back in December. It seems that I would just go to Star Chat and read and rarely post. But in the Linda Goodman forum, I really feel like I am learning and sharing with so many people of similar interests. It doesn't mean we don't cross over to the other forums from time to time,as there subjects of interst in all of the forums.

Yes, astrology definitely is a lifetime subject. Just learning the language of astrology takes awhile.

Donna, That book by Robert Carl Jansky, what is the exact title and is it available today? I think you may have more metaphysical books than any metaphysical bookstore. You are the SOURCE, especially for astrology books. LOL

Love and Rainbows to All,
Dolphin2

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