Hi, all. I just want to put the esoteric stuff aside and get on to specifics about the physical immortality philosophy. But first, I would like to k-now if there are any Knowflakes here who have taken Linda's words on immortality to heart. I would like to compare notes. Oranges and Hyacinths may have been too subtle of a title for a thread, and many may not have caught its meaning. Peace to all who walk (or will walk) the Endless Path.

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"Maybe it's intuition. Some things you just don't question. Like in your eyes, I see my future in an instant..." I Knew I Loved You Before I Met You--by Savage Garden

considering Websters dictionary says immortality is:"a mythological term,one of the gods who's fame will never die"..I think I need that explained to me Death.

Hi Deathnomore and Aries!
I read a really great story once, before I read Linda's stuff on immortality that got me to thinking about immmortality. (Neil Gaiman's Sandman)
In the story, Dream and Death, entities known as 2 of the 7 Endless are in a tavern...way back in the day...before Shakespeare even. There is this guy shooting off his mouth about how Death is "a rogue's game", and how he'll have no part of it. His wish for immortality is granted...until such time as he WISHES to die...in which case, it subtly hints arrangements shall be made. However, while Death is the one who just bows out and stays away from him, what keeps him going is Dream. They meet in the tavern every 100 years.
Think about that. Dream helps to keep the Death away. There is a clue there, and it is one of the things that Linda was talking about. You must Dream of immortality...root it into your subconscious as well as the conscious...and of course...then there's the desire. Desire is also one of the 7 Endless in this story. The man desires to stay alive...despite all the pitfalls of immortality. So, if the dictionary says that immortality belongs to the gods...and belongs to fame...then I think, and this is just my personal understanding, that one must find them within themselves. The story I read would agree...these Endless...the gods...everything...are just little facets of ourselves...
If we can dream it, then it can be real. If it's in creation its-elf, then it is a possibility...and who's to say if one interpretation is any better than the other. The point is, if it works for you, it works! One person's way may not be another's...and opinions and theories that differ often meet along the same path...and then it is realized that each person had a piece of the puzzle, which is useful and wonderful in it's own right, and that they do fit together after all! This is part of astrology, and a point that I believe Linda stressed. We are all different, but we are all the same too. The trick in life is to appreciate the differences, and see how they are the same. It's really quite a solveable paradox, but it is difficult.
Everyone's opinion, whether we agree with it or not, matters. We are here, and everything here MATTERS. (I mean that in the sense of it being a reality...like a rock is part of matter, we are a part of matter-very similar to a concept in A Wind in the Door, Madeline L' Engle, who also wrote Linda's favorite book and mine, A Wrinkle in Time)
If I have one opinion, and yours is the opposite, and that is expressed...then we form a Yin Yang...this concept can also be expressed as Tabletopping...in which you have a flat surface which is the entire picture...and each of the four legs is an opinion. Two in opposition...two for something...
Anyway, this is a terribly long post, and I truly don't profess to be an immortal yet, although I am working VERY hard on it...but I felt like I should jump in...I hope that proves useful.

Light and Love and Harmony and Melody!
synergy

Synergy

that sounds like a great story! what was the name of it again??
~crystllyne

Synergy, the world would be a better place with you here till the end of "time."

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"Maybe it's intuition. Some things you just don't question. Like in your eyes, I see my future in an instant..." I Knew I Loved You Before I Met You--by Savage Garden

Aw....Deathnomore....you make me blush...teehee!
Same goes for you! Sounds to me like you've got the immortality thing nailed!
Crystllyne, (i hope I spelled that properly), the name of the story is The Sandman. The author is Neil Gaiman, and the cover art is done by Dave McKean. It's put out by Vertigo Comics. Don't let that scare you though. It won the World Fantasy Award, and over 2 million copies have been sold. Neil writes other stuff too, even a kid's book, and all of his work is excellent. The Sandman is a graphic novel, because Neil thought it would be fun to write a story that had pictures for grown-ups. There is NOTHING immature about this story. It is extremely magical! If you like/love Tori Amos, then this is a must. One of the characters is based off of her...in a sense.
Anyway, I started a thread on the Sandman, and it hasn't gotten much respose...but if you would like to talk about it more, then please post there. I could go on and on about it...there are all kinds of Jungian aspects in there as well. BUT-this is Deathnomore's thread...and I'll leave the space for his wonderous wisdom. It just seemed apt...synergy maybe (wink), because the story is filled with immortality and connectedness.
Light and Love!
synergy-Kelly

By the way, the particular book that this story is in is called The Doll's House.
Love,
synergy

Helloooooo, Jennifer! This has to be short, but I will write more tomorrow, okay? I do not follow Linda's plan for immortality. She took The Lion's Path and simplified it for the late 20th century. I simplified it even further. You have to understand that she gave us RITUALS to instill faith in us. Most of us need these rituals. Most of the immortals who learned of immortality through Linda would not dare to alter her formula. This is good. It grants the belief necessary to reverse-spiral cells and regenerate the body continuously. Some will take the rape juice forever (dark reddish blue kind is best), while others will eventually (in their own time) realize that they don't need it. And some will almost feel themselves age if they miss a day without her formula! It's all in the way it imparts belief. If you feel better doing Linda's plan, by all means DO IT! Her way is the best way for most people (but not the only way). Smoking is fine, since quitting causes more harm than good IF you are not ready to quit. Drinking is a BIG NO NO, though! And you should quit smoking when you are mentally able. Celibacy isn't required, but I choose to not have casual sex (my choice). More on this later! So, what is MY formula? You'll just have to wait until tomorrow! hehehe Ahh, anticipation--the food of the gods! By the way, I saw Dr. Dolittle tonight (with Eddie Murphy). I actually cried over the tiger in the operating room! *sigh* I am just hopeless!

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"She will remember your heart when men are fairy tales and books written by rabbits. Of all Unicorns, she is the only one who knows what regret is...and Love." The Last Unicorn

I certainly believe it is possible to indefinitely extend your life. But I just found out cells do actually deteriorate when you get older. I though it was just exposure which is why your face and hands look older than the inside of your arm (for example). Presumably you beleive it is possible to stop this cell deterioration?

Can your pets be immortal too (I'm serious).

Me again!

Also do you ever get ill, is the occasional detoxification acceptable to an immortal?

Okay Deathnomore-- I finally made it to this thread-- I've never been one for formulas-- always bending the rules-- but I'm still curious to what your method is--

I understand about the no casual sex thing-- I totally agree, maybe for reasons of my own, but I do think it can 'short-circuit your soul', to quote Linda-- & I learned young enough that there is no such thing as 'casual' for me-- but *friendly*, that's different, in my slowly maturing opinion.
'Til the right one comes along. . . but I still want to hear your reasoning!

& I will quit smoking someday, as I've always put it ( my family 'loves' this & I think my choice of terminology is just me practicing for my upcoming progression of the Sun into Aquarius, who loves to shock) -- I've always promised my-s-Elf I'd quit cigarettes in plenty of Time to get knocked up-- used to say that just to make my Mother's eyebrows do this weird Lioness cringing thing-- but I do mean it, I truly do!

And I don't drink-- except for the occasional couple downtown when I go out, but never enough to get really intoxicated-- its been years since I've pulled that stunt, cause my body would soooo make me pay. . .is a few drinks on occasion really harmful? I could forego alcohol altogether without a doubt, but when you're out & about--

Anyway, can't wait to hear more!!!

Love, Jenn

Dear Mermaid...I too would like to know about the immortality of pets. I have lived with several cats (4 now) and have one that has been with me going on 14 years.

I am always re-imaging her as her youthful s-elf, surrounding her with
healing light and let her sleep on my purple plate. So far the vet said she is in great shape. Plays, runs and chases strange dogs out of the yard.

I would like to know if there is more to do or if I am disrupting some great PLAN designed by the CREATOR for Cats.

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Mermaid, have you read Chapter Nine of Star Signs? Our thoughts cause us to age, because we see it happen all around us and because we EXPECT to. The face and hands are just the order of the process IF cells do not regenerate. Jennifer, yes, alcohol is a NO NO! It deprives the brain of water. Please, give it up completely! You don't need it any longer; immortals get their buzz from Life! Sorry that I can't reveal much more today, but I will tell all tomorrow! I promise! YIVY and Mermaid, I thought no One would ever ask this question!!!!!! YES, animals can be immortal! But here's the problem. Our creators gave all Life (a few exceptions--like some sea Life, amoeba, and a rare species of immortal seagulls) death genes (M1 and M2 genes). All complex animal Life by these genes should Live seven times the age of maturity (some exceptions). Humans shorten this with our thoughts. Humans can turn these genes completely off with our Consciousness; something animals cannot do (they do not ponder their deaths the way we can). For an animal to be Immortal, we have to "help" that creature with our thoughts. We have to first be immortal, and then we transfer that to our pets through Love. They cannot turn off the death genes on their own. I recently healed a dog of terminal liver dis-ease in one session of laying on of hands. They were going to put the beautiful creature to sleep. Now she is Living a happy Life, and I go back to see her often. We have a PROFOUND effect on our pets, as do they have on us. There is a constant transfer of energy. And Mermaid, detoxes will continue for Immortals until the food, air, and water are completely pure. My colds are very mild and last two to three days. Peace.

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"She will remember your heart when men are fairy tales and books written by rabbits. Of all Unicorns, she is the only one who knows what regret is...and Love." The Last Unicorn

Well-- what about an occasional glass of wine or something? On special occasions!!! I never, ever, ever drink hard alcohol-- but beer & wine, sometimes, sometimes--- oh, I promised my-s-Elf one last blast of a crazy Summer before I really become a responsible adult-- so I was thinking bonfires & blueberry wine I drink very, very little though-- I am quite naturally high on Life, so I won't miss it-- but one last summer can't do too much harm, can it?

Love Jennifer

Hi, Deathnomore. I used to frequent this site but ... well. Not so much anymore. But I do love this site!
I think it's funny that you said that people will feel the effects if they miss a glass of grape juice because they THINK they made a boo-boo. (Of course, you said it far better than I just did.) I agree.
I had my own experience with immortality theories that made me question the means to the ends.
I know it's a possibility. Fine. But did you ever read The Lion Path? Very encouraging, but very sad. I was four years old in 1984 and, though in my innocence I may have been aware of the significance, I eventually succumbed to the brainwashing of our society. But I fought back. Hard. Before the final days of the "Earth transition (August 1999)," I had already become a "born-again" straight-edge. Now it's time to reawaken those centers and re-call all the subconcious growth that was experienced.
I instantly felt that Linda's theory was true and correct and just. However, I've always felt there is more than just one way to go about anything. (Aquarius rising, so sue me!) I think you're very right in saying that for most people this path is best. Being that we're somewhere within the elevanth hour already, the other possible paths may prove to be too ... difficult? Not the best choice for a word, but I hope you understand what I meant. I would love to hear more about your personal enlightenment.

Oh yeah, I was wondering if you had any insights into the Unicorn archetype. I think Linda gave an explanation of it Gooberz. Well, wherever I got my theory on it, I immediately felt that it was a long-buried truth. Would love to share ....

Just bringing this up to the top.
Funny how my last comment on this relates to a new thread. Well, I thought it was funny.

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"Whatever you can do,
or dream you can,
begin it.
Boldness has genius,
power, and magic in it."
-- Goethe

Lassair,
I would like to hear more about your experiences with immortality, and anyone else who would like to share. Theories/Thoughts/Suggestions?

Thank You

Walk in Peace

Hello all,

My name is Meercatt and I just found this site two days ago. I'm glad it's here! I'm also glad to *finally* meet others who are interested in Linda's ideas. Spiritual companionship for me has amounted to almost nil in this life so far.
This is my first post to a 'newsgroup' or 'forum' as well; as I am an old IRC junkie this method of communication always seemed a little slow. But the conversation here is so intelligent and lively that I can't resist! Deathnomore, you seem to have a lot of good things to say, so I decided to post here in your Immortality thread. What you said about the rituals to instill faith... man, was I happy to hear someone else say that! I have long understood the pupose of ritual in all "religion". However, I sometimes wish I didn't; I sometimes worry that my understanding of the process will impede it's effect. What do you think about/how do you deal with this? It is by no means a large problem for me, but it would be nice to hear someone else's thoughts on the matter.
I call myself an "immortality in training". I'm in my fourth year of Linda's program/ritual to become a fruitarian. One more year 'til I ditch the fish and fowl... I can't wait!
My two-year old daughter is also following the program; she has never eaten red meat. I'm happy to say that she is an exceptionally bright, exceptionally LARGE, and exceptionally HAPPY child!
Well, I seem to have gotten diahrrea of the keyboard here, so I'll cut this long post short... nice to meet everyone!

Hehe... Deathnomore... I read more threads, didn't realize... you'd almost think I was a Sagittarius, eh?

Each cell in the human body, when it divides for continuation, lose a bit of stuff called telemorase in the end of the chromosome string. When that little stuff becomes exhausted, that cell dies. I suppose if we could will that not to happen, we could live a long time, but FOREVER. I don't think so.
Man has been searching for physical immortality since the beginning of time. Sitchin's second book in the series deals with this, how man was created in the image of the gods but without their ability to live "forever". No human has ever found the key, whether it is genetic or otherwise. Those of us who know that our soul is immortal do not seek physical immortality. If one seeks physical immortality, he has lost his soul perhaps?

hi meercaty and welcome ..just informing you that Deathnomore has left the building. You could read the "deathnomore bids you adieu thread" under starchat.
Yes Merlyn..I tend to agree with you there.

I love meercats! They are the most cunning little guys who ever lived!
Meercat, keep it up

Ted

'lo again!
Thanks for the warm welcome, Aries, merlyn! As you can see from my second, somewhat embarrassed reply, I found out about Deathnomore just a *little* too late. Sad that he chose to leave. I haven't yet found the thread that explains what the problem was -- there's so much to read here! -- so I don't understand why he left. No sweat, all in good time...
Merlyn, you know a LOT more about biology than I do; I've never even *heard of* telemorase! Very interesting! When you said that "man has been searching for physical immortality since the beginning of time", it chimed my inner bell. It *felt* right. This troubled me, because I believe in Linda's teachings of immortality. They chimed my inner bell, too -- fiercely. I remember the day I read Star Signs; I remember feeling intoxicated, my head reeling, as knowledge poured from that book into my brain, filling me up to overflowing! Never before had someone made a "return to Eden" seem so *possible*! But you are right, and I believe Linda would agree with you. I think your subconscious is showing off a little on ya! Of course man has searched for everlasting life SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME; didn't Time and Death arrive hand-in-hand here on Earth? What I'm saying is, what about ?before? that, when "there wase no time"? Do you believe that there was such a state of being once? It occurs to me that entropy (or, losing telemorase) could not happen without Time... indeed, to we humans, who are now time-oriented, it would seem that nothing would happen at all without Time. "Suspended animation". This leads me off into a lot of thoughts that my mind doesnt seem able to completely comprehend (yet)! But here's a related thought from a song I really like: "...they used Gravity, 'cuz it was the only force around / that could slow Time and the speed of Light down..." Maybe that will fan some sparks? I hope so, anyway, it *is* a provoking thought.
Well, now, do me a favor and don't take anything I say too too personally. I don't "push" my ideas on others, 'cuz I hate it being done to me! (I'm a Libra/Libra... fairness first!) I'm just very expressive, and throwing out whatever comes to mind, because I know that my intentions are in the right place. Remember, Libras love to debate! (Until the ugly emotions get involved.) You can tell me I'm wrong, wrong, wrong all day long and I won't mind (so it won't matter, right?).
Wishing You All Well,
(and off to study cellular biology),
Meercatt

All of us have to live in two worlds, even the mast advanced of us, even Linda. She had to pay taxes, use the toilet, take aspirin, etc. My point is that we have physical bodies and sometimes they don't cooperate very well with our spirit quest or our spiritual development. My guide, Mangus, once told me that having a body kinda "complicates" things but it doesnt make it impossible to achieve spiritual growth.
So while Linda may have believed that she could physically live forever, she died like the rest of us probably will.
There is a story of one Count St. Germaine who supposedly could not die, but moved about Europe from century to century. He never aged and outlived all his enemies. It is even said that he moved to America and became Ben Franklin.
It is impossible to know, of course, whether there are "immortals", but I have never known anyone who lived past 100 or so, and they were ready to die when it came. But if there are immortals, they do a great job of hiding and it makes good fiction to think so.
It may be that in olden times, people did live over 900 years also, but they werent the same genetic stuff as I am made of.

Merlyn,

I don't disagree entirely, but perhaps you should look into the idea of physical immortality a bit more before you jump to conclusions. I think that the evidence for immortality is quite clear. There may not be any politicians or movie stars claiming to immortal, but they would be stupid to do so. I tell most of my close friends about my immortality, and even though they don't believe it (most of the time), they accept it. Just out of curiosity, have you read the last chapter of Star Signs? It's not the greatest work ever written on immortality, but for a student who is ready, it does the trick. I think that the chapter could have been better done, but there are other books out there.

Anyway, in Gooberz, Linda went on and on about how depressing her life had been and how depressed she currently was. There is something to be said for that. She may have known the truth, but it could be argued that she didn't practice what she preached. This, in my humble opinion, is what killed her. She didn't choose life as she claimed, because she wanted to move on. But just like Jesus Christ--who could have lived forever but also decided to move on--Linda taught us what we need to know to live forever in the flesh. We should not strive to be like her. We should be ourselves and use what she taught to better ourselves.