this topic is getting rather "old"..the day the world is perfect..with perfect people..perhaps thats when we shall see physical immortality and not before..like..umm whats the POINT..not a question,just a statement!

I think we lost Merlyn I wish he'd come back!!

I find it very interesting that MoneyBaby never posted while Deathnomore was here, and now that Deathnomore is gone, MoneyBaby posts.

Nephthys,

I posted quite a bit while DNM was around. We are roommates. I've made that abundantly clear in several of my posts here. We signed on at the same time, and Gregory deleted DNM's account because even he thought we were the same person. I am not he. But I am somebody you know. Where have you been????

Hi Moneybaby!! (I know you, too!)

decided to post under my new name in response to the topic --

friends, it's ALL ABOUT CHOICE.
nothing to do with genetics, with the exception that the soul may choose a body with a genetic 'difficulty' to overcome for reasons of soul-testing. Linda spoke often of being on the "Thunderbolt Path of Accelerated Karma", and it was very difficult for her to accept at times. Yet her Higher S-Elf chose that incarnation, her physical body, (with its genetic makings, and predisposition to illness) FOR A REASON, for her to live out her karma, and for her to Learn, so that she would not ever have to do so again.

It is highly possible that Linda, just like the rest of us at times, often felt discouraged, and may have succumbed to the losing ideal that we are not capable of physical immortality, even though she herS-elf believed it was an achievable goal. It is one thing to believe in something, but quite another to K-now IT. In the face of seemingly overwhelming karma, she may have chosen to bow out of this physical incarnation, in order to begin afresh. After all, although she may have lost faith in the end, she DID in fact balance the scales on MUCH of her personal Karma, and i feel this time around, when she comes back, (possibly already here ) she will swiftly re-K-now all that she learnt before.

the Mind and Higher S-Elf of each and every one of us has the power to BE, (and memories of being) physically Immortal, yet it is an extremely difficult thing to face. Unfortunately, we as a race have been bombarded by the word death, and the entire idea of AGE, and likewise, TIME.

Someone above in this thread mentioned the idea of TIME. Yes, it is the idea of TIME that ages us, for time as an idea lends to the constant thought that in order to go further, we have to Leave something. In other words, in order for it to be 10:00, it had to have sometime been 9:00. In order for me to be here tomorrow, I must be here today. You can look at TIME this way, OR you can relinquish Time for what it is. A human way of forgetting that we are all HERE NOW -- the human way of believing that in order for us to be here tomorrow, we must do something today.

TIME is man-made, and physical immortality is possible only when you Re-Member that, and let go of it. It is a difficult thing to do, and we have had centuries of brain-washing; believing that Time is the all-important Master which we cannot change. Not true.

We created time. We can also non-create it.

If I go by the belief that tomorrow I will be 32 years old, that means that i am buying into the fact that i must have been, at some time, 31, and then, 30 years old. If i make the decision that i will not be susceptible to this, i will forever remain 31. In my Mind, and in my Higher S-Elf, I believe that, and I ORDAIN IT.

Now, even though we each have the ability and capability to be physically immortal, it is true some will choose not to do this. Like i mentioned above, it is truly and honestly ALL ABOUT CHOICE.

Every day I choose to live.
And every day I choose not to die.
And I K-now that it is TRUE. I don't just believe it, I KNOW IT. It is a proclamation to the world that I will never ever buy into death, which is another man-made concept. Death breeds fear, which breeds the enemy of Time, which allows men and women to live in the fear of letting time 'pass them by', and the fear of 'death', which wouldn't exist without it's partner, Time.

Let it go!
Let go of the fear, and
CHOOSE TO LIVE!!

yes, feeling very passionate today!
love and white light to all,

Tara

lol Neph..smart gal..Gregs clever too
where OH where is Merlyn??

Woo-hoo, Tara!!! Great insight. You're post was very clear and moving, which is what many people need to grasp concepts such as immortality. I think Linda did a wonderful job of this in the last chapter of Star Signs, but the reader must be ready for such a thought-transformation. Alas ... some people just weren't ready when they read that chapter.

Anyway, it is great to know that there are fellow immortals out there willing to drudge through the everyday society that preaches death at every turn. I refuse to be brainwashed by most. Once you realize that death is a choice, then it just doesn't make any sense to choose death. It's like choosing Brussels sprouts over candy!!!! Life is great. What makes it so great is all of the differences of opinion, learning experiences, and other stuff that we go through to make us cherish it so. There is always a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow or a silver lining in every cloud. One need only look. If the world was really bad, then I don't think immortality would be a possibility at all. But the world isn't bad. There is nothing but good here. It all depends on how you look at it. And once we begin to realize that everything happens for a reason, we will begin to see that what we perceive to be bad actually has some bearing on strengthening the society in which we live.

Something to ponder on, anyway.

I'm going to ask a sort of "lame" question, but I was really thinking about it lately. If we're all 'mortal' because we believe in TIME, then why do babies grow older without us teaching them about TIME? If I never taught a child about TIME, would he necessarily grow older? I mean, if I isolated him from the world(to hide him from images of death and people growing old).

Just my thoughts

Cho, the fish

That's not a lame question, Cho The fact is that a lot of people get confused about immortality because of ideas like that. So it's very good to ask such questions in hopes of seeking such answers.

All animals are born small in order to make the birthing process easy on the baby and the mother. Humans are no exception. We are born small and immature for a variety of reasons. We are also mentally immature, which means that we've got to learn. Unlike most animals, humans don't have that many instincts. If we did, we would mature physicall and mentally in a lot less time. But since we've got to learn and grow so much, it takes us about 20 years to do so. Until a person is physically and mentally mature in such a way, he/she probably couldn't grasp the idea or become physically immortal.

During the learning process, we learn about physical time, so we grow old via expectation to grow old. If you never taught a person about solar time, he/she would still grow to maturity, and he/she would also probably grow old and die. The reason I say this is because animals don't believe in death, and they also don't know about time, but they still grow old and die. The difference between humans and animals is that animals almost always live seven times maturity. Dogs mature at around three years of age and die at around 21 years of age (and seven times three equals 21). Humans miss the seven times maturity mark by about 60 years!!! We miss this mark because we believe that we've got to die around 80 years of age (because that's what life insurance companies, religions, and doctors have told us). If we never learned about time, and if we were never told (either by observation or by actually being taught such things) that we had to die around eighty, then we would probably live seven times maturity ... we would live till about 140 years of age.

Immortality comes into play when we realize that we make ourselves die about 60 years before our potential. If we can believe something so strongly that it comes true, then the reverse should also be possible. If we can make our bodies die 60 years before their time, then we should be able to make ourselves live forever.

And that's really the core of physical immortality: belief. I realize that it's a difficult concept to comprehend; it's actually a massive thought-transformation that makes immortality possible. But everyone has this ability. Everyone has tricked their bodies into starting the death process 60 years before our potential, so we can also "trick" our bodies into living forever by turning off the death genes that make death possible. If we can turn them on prematurely, then we can turn them off forever.

That said, I hope I've answered your question.

well-explained, Moneybaby!

(you'd be great on a debating team!

Cho, hi! if i may add one further thought in response to your question:

You CAN shield a baby from the concept of time and death, but also remember that ultimately it is the soul of the child (its own Higher Self) that chooses its Life, (and its Death), and as Moneybaby mentions above , unfortunately sometimes the soul must wait until physical and mental maturity in order to fully grasp the concept of physical Immortality. The soul may REMEMBER that it can choose to be immortal, but karma often plays a part in this as well - due to complications, the soul of the child may desire NOT to accept immortality, for reasons beyond the contemplation of the rest of us, (or its parents).

However, if you accept the concept that it is the EXPECTATIONS of the parents, society, etc., that give the child the propensity to age, then shielding and teaching may in fact help the soul of the child to Re-Member their past much quicker, and help the child in the K-nowing of Immortality. It is still only their choice alone, but we CAN help.

Another quick note: children are born with their Third Eyes wide open, and are truly All-KNOWING about physical immortality. It is only those of us who already exist, (and the possible addition of karmic expectations of the child, as mentioned above) that close these eyes with fear and loathing of time, age and death.

wow, sorry Cho, meant that to be only a quick note! hahaha Anyway, yes, you can shield a child, but ultimately only the Higher Self of the baby can make that choice, consciously and fully, when it reaches its maturity.

Tara