This is to introduce the name of Zechariah Sitchin and his eight books to this forum. he first wrote The 12th Planet in 1976 in which he proposed that a planet called Nibiru was in orbit around our sun and re-appears every 3600 years. The Sumerians wrote of this over 4000 years bc in well preserved clay tablets, which Sitchin translated.
Sitchin then went on to write a total of 8 books, is still alive at age 80 and lives in NY.
Sitchin says that the Annunaki traveled from this planet to Earth and established bases in what is now the Middle East, especially the Mesopotamia region. They came here to mine for gold, needed on Nibiru. Around 300,000 years ago, Sitchin claims that the Annunaki "created" modern man from the primitive hominids found in Africa. They did this by DNA manipulation! Does it sound like a page out of today's science section?
Eventually these new women looked good enough to the Annunaki that they coupled with them and had offspring. Remember the Old Testament... "And the Sons of God looked upon the daughters of Man and found them fair and coupled with them..."? the Bible refers to these beings as the Nephilim.

Ah yeah, I've also read most of Sitchin's books. From what I understand of the whole thing, his theories fit in pretty well with the whole bigger picture.

There is indeed lots of evidence that aliens directly interfered with (and even ruled over large areas of) ancient earth. I think Sitchin contributes too much power to the Annunaki however - I think that ancient earth was divided into 'Spheres of influence', and the Annunaki were just the ones in the middle east/european area.

I think the aliens in South America (who taught the ancient native americans) were of a more benevolent nature - more like religious leaders such as Lord Pacal and so on.

There are just a pieces of Sitchin's historical puzzle that I can't seem to fit with my own view of the past. For example, I'm not sure how it relates to Atlantis.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Atlantis was supposed to have sunk at around 9000 BC right? That would mean that mankind had been around for atleast a couple of thousand years before that - meaning that the ancient 'gods/aliens' of Sumerian legend (around 5000-4000 BC) can't have engineered the human race...

I'm sure that Sitchin has discovered large parts of the truth, I*m just still trying to modify his theory to fit my own world view

Meryl,

I disagree with your interpretation of Genesis 6:1-3, 5
The reference to men are the sons of God, woman were called the daughters of men.
No aliens.

Also, I could find no reference in the Bible to these beings as the Nephilim or that word.

Lastly, have you done your math? A 3600 year orbit around the sun in an elliptical shape.

Pluto orbit takes 240 years and is about 3 billion miles away.
The surface of a circle quadruples as its radius doubles. (I think)
So 3 billion time pie squared = Pluto's circle.
So, off the top of my head, and backwards,

3,000,000,000 / 186,000 = 16129.03225806 sec for light to get to Pluto (268 min)

Now we have a circumference of 15 times longer,
hmmm...I think I need help with the math but the point is the speed and gravitational force can be calculated and you'll see that the planet is not there. That's my opinion.

Darwin

I have to agree that I havent seen this Nephilim mentioned in the bible either..but if you know where,Ide like to read it! thanks

I've never took the time to read his books, but I know quite a people who have, and I have flipped through them on numerous occassions. Very interesting stuff.

My math? Sitchin's math. It's his theory, not mine and his math is pretty good. An orbit taking 3600 years would not necessarily be elliptical but in the case of Nibiru/Marduk it is elliptical and when it comes back toward the inner planets it passes between Mars and Jupiter. A pass thru in ancient times caused the asteroid belt between those planets.
As to Atlantis, Atlantis may have existed as far back as 100,000 or 500,000 years. It is not part of Sitchin's theories.
According to Sitchin, the Annunaki created modern man around 300,000 years ago. That fits in exactly with what science has found by tracing mitochondria DNA back to an Eve who lived about 280,000 years ago. mDna is passed down only from mother and can be traced back in time. Interesting that Sitchin wrote that theory in 1976 but science only discovered Eve in the past 10 years and Sitchin did the math by using existing clay tablets in museums around the world

Hello knowflakes!
Nephilim are difficult to find mention of in the bible because it depends on your bible. Seraphim, or "good" angels are mentioned in most bibles, the nephilim are not because the view is that they were "bad".
Most older bibles, and I belive Catholic bibles contain mention of them, as well as study bibles that are not based on a religious sect.
Madeliene L'Engle, Linda's favorite, wrote a book called Many Waters in which the seraphim and the nephilim were involved with humans before the time of the great flood. The nephils were fallen, and were earthbound. They mated with human women, and children were born. Those children often displayed special powers, especially healing powers, and were taller than the other people. Both the nephils and the seraphs were able to take an animal shape. I feel it's fair to mention it because Madeleine, like Linda, didn't really write anything that she didn't have a basis for.

Light and Love!
synergy

Merlyn, interesting that thing about DNA being traced back to an Eve 300,000 years ago - I didn't know that! Then I suppose his theory does leave room for Atlantis having developed some 200,000 years after the creation of mankind.
¨ So maybe the Annunaki were just the first of the 'human alien groups' to colonize the earth (which makes sense since they're in our own solar system), and were then followed by other groups, who also manipulated our DNA...
Say, tell me - I never did get around to reading ALL of his books.. Is there any mention of what actually *happened* to the Annunaki? Did they just pack up and leave, or are they still around?

Hi All One

Wow, this is a great thread. I just left Amazon, ordered all Stichin's books. I have traveled the web and found many sites with information like this and it makes a lot of sense to me. I always believed that the Sons of God were not of the Earth and the Daughter's of Men were of the Earth.
Just for fun, here is a link to the Nibiruan council. Many interesting things there about this planet.

www.nibiruancouncil.com/

Donna

There are "aliens" and there are aliens. In the US a Mexican is considered an alien. If folks came from Nibiru to the EArth they could well look just like earthlings, but which earthlings? A tall blond or a short black?
Depictions of the Annunaki in Sitchin's books, taken from Sumerian tablets, show very human-like features, but then if they created us in their image, as it says in the bible, why wouldnt they? Sitchin contends that the gods of the bible are really the Annunaki and that is why they are referred to in the plural instead of singular. And God created man in their image.

Hey,

I do not believe the Eve DNA story either. I think the oldest carbon dated modern man (which is actually a 15 year old girl. Was it Lisa or Eve, maybe sue? I forget.) was just several thousands of years old. Like 17 or 25 or 30. And, as all the modern scientists continue to ignore, what about the great flood?

Darwin

P. S. No aliens or Aliens or "Aliens" or "aliens", there are lots of foreigners where I live though. They come from California.

Hi ProxyMoon,

I should have known you are from Oregon. I am a California girl myself and I love Oregon, too, but I am not a foreigner. You crack me up, especially on The Great Meeting Hall thread.

Dancing with the Light,
Dolphin2

Hi DaleLouise,

Nice to meet you.
If you come up here your a foreigner. hehe
Do you know how to surf?
Or are you a rollergirl?

Darwin

P. S. Has any new fad replaced street racing yet?

Hi ProxyMoon,

I surf, but I no longer roller skate.
Rock climbing, skateboarding and snowboarding are the happenin' things now. Not that any of that has anything to do with Sitchin. I first read about him and his ideas in the magazine Atlantis Rising and a good friend highly recommends reading his work.

Surfing in the Light,
Dolphin2

Hmmmmm and I thought this was a serious forum. :-)

Silly me!

Genesis 6 has long fascinated me as to what exactly they were trying to tell us. But I didn't realize that different Bible versions left out the word "nephilim" The Catholic version I have calls them men of renown.
The study bibles refer to them like Synergy said. I asked a Methodist preacher about that verse one time and he told me he didn't know what it meant. I always liked that preacher after that because he admitted it.

Hi Everyone

Here is a link that mentions a lot of things being discussed and the Nephilim are mentioned near the end.
http://cassiopaea.org/cass/jesus.htm

Donna

Hello ALLONE,

I am going to make an attempt here to give you a comparison with just two bibles. These are the ones I happen to have handy. The Living Bible, Tyndale, August 1980, 3rd printing, says the following: Genesis 6:1
'Now a population explosion took place upon the earth. 6:2 It was at this time that beings from the spirit world* looked upon the beautiful earth women and took any they desired to be their wives. * Literally "sons of God", used here in the sense of his created, supernatural beings, but no longer godly in character. Some commentators believe that the expression "sons of God" refers to the "godly line" of Seth, and "daughters of men" to the men of the line of Cain.'

Further in Genesis 6:4 'In those days and even afterwards, when the evil beings from the spirit world were sexually involved with human women, their childen became giants, of whom so many legends are told.'

In the Women's Devotional Bible, New International Version, Zondervan, 1990
Genesis 6:1 'When men began to increase in numbers on the earth and daughters were born unto them, 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.'

I would be interested in seeing what the following bibles say - The Book of Mormon, the Catholic Bible, The King James Bible, the New English Bible and the Revised Standard Version plus Hebrew and Greek Bibles.

With Light and Rainbows,
Dolphin2

Dale..

Thanks for your research. I quoted Sitchin when I stated that earlier. I assume he quoted the bibles correctly. As a biblical scholar and adept at many ancient languages, including hebrew, sumerian and others, I think he would not misquote something that obvious.
Actually as a youth the word Nephalim bothered him and sent him on his road to the 8 books he wrote. he was uncomfortable with the translation "giants" for nephalim. he felt it meant "those who descended from on high"
Just thought you would like to know

Hi Merlyn,

Thank you, I do like knowing that information. I do have all the other books I mentioned. But as I have said in other threads, I have more than 16,000 books, which I don't have enough bookshelves for, so I have a lot of them stored. I do want to make a comment on the word Nephilim though. I wrote it as it is spelled in the one bible I quoted. When I looked in two of my dictionaries, it was not listed in either one. I will go back and look under your spelling as Nephalim and see if there is a definition.
By the way, I have 15 books on Angels and I found no reference in those.

Dolphin2

I stand corrected. The spelling used by Sitchin is Nefilim, a Hebrew word and in the plural form. I phoneticized it as Nephalim since Hebrew did not use vowels in their alphabet. We should use sithcin's form as he was fluent in old Hebrew and studing the Hebrew bible in the orginal language.

Imagine being able to read and translate those ancient languages! Hebrew, Akkadian, Sumerian, Hittite. Imagine the peace of mind it must give one! Oh well, I speak a little Spanish.
In his research he discovered an interesting thing. The Akkadians, who followed the Sumerians, still used the old Sumerian language for certain tablets and such. It's somewhat the way we still use Latin, I suppose as inscriptions on buildings and for medical stuff like prescriptions, even though 2000 years have passed since Latin was spoken in a widespread way (yes, I know it was spoken by educated people in Europe until the 1600s)

Hi Merlyn,

Late last night I found Nephilim in one of the following books, but I forgot to bookmark it. The books I have are The Living Talmud and The Dead Sea Scrolls. Each one has a reference to the passages we have been talking about and The Dead Sea Scrolls has a reference to A Genesis Apocryphon, which led me on an internet search where I found several pages in French on this subject called Les Peuples Neolithiques. Another reference on the Nephilim was under The Living Water. I don't have the links.

The gist of the references in my books was to say that no one really knows the correct interpretation, although there is an extensive interpretation of the Genesis Apocryphon in the back of The Dead Sea Scrolls book that I have. I am out of my depth here, as I am not a biblical scholar.

Respectfully,
Dolphin2

Hi all!

Does anyone else here see a relation between "Nefilim/Nephilim/Nephalim and Nepenthe/Nepthys? This is exactly the kind of coincide-nce that makes me suspect it isn't one.

Just a Thought,
Meercatt

Why is it that no one uses or displays their email address on here? maybe I shouldn't LOL

Meercat, my wife is from Warren OH.

Dear Ted,

We are not allowed to display our e-mail addresses as a matter of protection for the members. When people do, our Administrator Greg, removes them. It is this website's policy and I think it is listed in the Website Suggestions forum. Nor can we advertise a commercial website, but I think it is all right to give links to free websites that are not commercial.

Greg may give you an additional answer.

Dolphin2

Dear Ted,

We are not allowed to display our e-mail addresses as a matter of protection for the members. When people do, our Administrator Greg, removes them. It is this website's policy and I think it is listed in the Website Suggestions forum. Nor can we advertise a commercial website, but I think it is all right to give links to free websites that are not commercial, like yours.

Greg may give you an additional answer.

Dolphin2

Sitchin is a genius. I too have all of his books and have read them over and over. Although some of his interpretations do seem a bit speculative, most of his evidence is literally written in stone.

He presents a fascinating and totally believeable epic of creation written by our ancient ancestors which so far has been proven again and again by "modern" science to be correct.

My Libra nature tells me the scales are leaning in Sitchin's favor. The evidence is overwhelming in my humble opinion. There is ABSOLUTELY something to it!

I highly recommend his book THE 12th PLANET. Fascinating.

Walk in Peace

--Merlyn, I would love to see some remote viewing data on this stuff!!

Merlyn, our email policy is described on this thread, which Dolphin2 kindly brought to the top: EMAIL POLICY.

As far as listing website links, everyone is welcome to list their own website in their profile, commercial or not. The profile can be viewed by anyone, just click on the icon above anyone's post. Listing commercial website links in your posts is more a matter of discretion rather than a "rule" ... if someone is looking for some information that you know about, by all means feel free to point them to it ... we just don't want the forums to become a place for advertising or promoting commercial businesses, simply because we can't investigate and stand behind them, and it takes away from the focus on Linda and her ideas. Use your own good judgment on this.

Greg

This is a long thread, and due to my short attention span, I have not read everyone's posts, but I did read your intro, merlyn......Hmmmmm.......Nephilim.......hmmmm....Nephthys.......Hmmmmmm........

~Neph

Ra...
I am currently in the process of RVing Nibiru with a viewer in New Zealand (Ilike to give everyone a chance LOL).
It is early in the process but we definitely have something so far, a planet far out beyond Pluto. I will keep u all posted

I just read an amazing news story off Yahoo news. Archeologists have just found a city in extreme eastern Syria(northern Iraq) which is dated to 4000 BC! It is exactly where Sitchin places it in his 1976 book. Just a coincidence I suppose. The city is therefore over 1500 years OLDER than any city in Egypt. The city shows evidence of a very large population and large ovens for preparing food. Also shows evidence of a complex govt.

Hi guys--

Interesting thread-- I just want to see if I'm on the same wavelength-- I've never read any of Sitchin's work, but know of it-- what supposedly happened was that way, way, way, way back the inhabitants of this planet (Nibiru?) needed gold, and when their planet swung by Earth (so to speak) they stopped here to mine gold & also genetically engineered humans to mine it for them-- as slaves-- but for some cosmic reason it was wrong of them to create slaves like this & basically, ummm. . .I don't know how we ever acquired souls or free will according to this theory-- but okay, assuming 'alien gods' had a lot to do with our creation-- & that does ring true for me-- Their planet orbited off into space & we were left with fragments of wisdom to help us evolve--

Different civilizations had contact with these craetor gods-- teh Mesopotamians, which I believe are the tablets where Sitchin got his info, right? From Sumeria--

& th eEgyptians-- but there are so many star systems we are supposedly related to-- Sirius A, and the Pleiades, & Arcturus-- etc etc . . .& what about the Hathors, a race of beings I've heard lives somewhere in Venus's dimensions--

so confusing. . . Maybe I should read Sitchin's books, just to clarify--

Where does Time fit into all this? Their Time would certainly be different than ours!

Can't wait to hear more,
Love Jennifer

Triple Cardinal -- If you do read one of his books, I think you will find that Time has a great deal to do with it! Not only that, it also correlates well with what Linda (a needed Linda connection)had to say about perceived Time. The 12th Planet and Genesis Revisited are excellent books with which to get a good understanding of the theories.

Happy Journey!

Walk in Peace

Cardinal

yes, before judging his works it would help to read his books. LOL
It took him about fifty years to formulate his theories and translate the Sumerian tablets, so we can't do justice to it in five days....

Walk in peace

I was honored today to receive a letter from Z. Sitchin in which he thanked me for sending him copies of the online remote viewing we have done on the planet Nibiru. We did another session yesterday and I will send him copy of that. He asked me to keep him informed of the progress this summer.