It's interesting to note that the Sumerians and Chaldeans, who founded the study of astrology over 5000 years ago and who did not distinguish between astrology and astronomy, never said that you could use astrology to predict the future or the events of the day for that matter. Their purpose for studying it was to determine why people were DIFFERENT. Over a long period of time they discerned that people born in the summer were different in substantial ways from those born in the winter, etc.
In fact it has only been in the past century that astrologers have claimed to be prescient and have the skill to predict your future.

I wonder why that is?

It seems to me that the Sumerians only used a system that was far older than they. They said themselves that this knowledge was given to them by the "gods", so much of the information must be more ancient than they.

I think astrologers have been forcasting for much more than a century - or even a millenium. Nostrodamus for one?

Just thoughts.

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Well, I think it's important to distinguish between 'tabloid astrology' and the more professional kind. I think it was Linda Goodman who wrote that these tabloid predictions had nothing at all to do with real astrology. I can't be sure, but I think that the 'real astrologers' today do not claim to be able to foretell the future.

Instead, they see the *vibrations* that the celestial alignments produce, and make educated guesses. For example the'prediction' that the age of Aquarius will be one of spiritual rebirth is more of a general description than a prophecy in my opinion.

And while it is true that Nostradamus was an astrologer, I don't think he used this to make his predictions. As far as I recall reading once, it was more a process like Remote Viewing. He would go into a trance like state, see visions of the future, and then when he 'came to' he would have several pages of notes written, which he then converted into prose form to avoid antagonizing the church at the time...

Oh, and not to bring up the whole free will debate again, but I think that I also read somewhere that Nostradamus did not believe the future to be written in stone In fact, his prophecy that the 'King of Terror' would return in the year 1999 and 7 months certainly didn't come to pass.. unless I've missed something :P

Just my thoughts on the whole matter

Was Nostradamus an astrologer or was he not a physician of his time. Actually he looked into a bowl of water to do his predictions of the future, did he not? He was fully awake at the time. Of course the books I have read on the matter could be wrong.

Yes, Merlin, he was a physician. But his grandfather (who was a jewish kabbalist) recognized that Nostradamus showed psychic abilities at a young age. As far as I recall, he was taught astrology (and most likely also studied the Kabbalah).
I think based on this metaphysical training, he practiced a ritual to see the future, by looking into the bowl of water as you mention. As for him being fully conscious.. I'm not entirely sure.
The movie at least, suggests that he was in a deep trance, and had to rely mainly on his scribbled notes to compile his list of prophecies. Of course, it was what, 500 years ago? So it is doubtful we will ever know the truth - unless you do a remote viewing and tell us what you come up with If Nostradamus used a similar technique, maybe it would even be possible to talk to him from across time...

the only thing you missed Spectrum was that no one knows what or who the king of terror is nor do we know if 1999 is the actual date. According to Kabbalist numerology it isnt tho! its coded and some think since 0 A.D. wasnt a year..its actually meant to be 2000

Spectrum, you are so right on! And I, too, would love to see some RV material on that! Why would that not be possible? Fascinating.
How about it Merlyn, can you set up Nostradamus in your target pool? You should write a book - I would buy it (I am especially interested in the Nibiru material).

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Hello all!
I read several books named "Conversations with Nostradamos" by Delores Cannon. She hypnotised a person who regressed and did remote viewing and visited and spoke with him (apparently many spirits visited him) They were extremely interesting books for anyone who is curious about him.
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