Hi Knowflakes,

I am reading Gooberz at the moment - it is just marvellous. But I am a little confused about the meaning of "twin self" and "twin soul". I think in Star Signs the guru tells Linda, that there is a difference between the two terms and that Robert Brewer will be her twin self, but not her twin soul. Does anyone know what the two terms exactly mean?

Bright Blessings

Morgana

Keep reading... all will be revield! It doesn't get there untill the last quarter of the book - and it still leaves me a little bit confused to be honest. It's a wonderful book.

LoL

Lis

I only wish I wouldn't spend so much time at work - I am reading so slowly at the moment, and I am so curious to know more about Linda. On the other hand I am sure I will be really sad when I am through with Gooberz.

The most Wonderful thing about gooberz is that you can read it, and read it and read it again, and every time you find something new and exciting. When i first got it I took it with me to work to read through lunch - The Tube (underground trains) are very dirty here - so it probably didn't do the book any good - it's begining to look well loved.

Take care for now

Lis

Hi Morgana

I believe we have many soul mates but only one twin soul. The soul mates are the people we have spent past lives in close, intimate relationships with that we 'recognise'. The twin self is the one who is the other half of our soul. We do not always recognise them. Only when we are truly evolved are we able to experience a true reunion with them which lasts our whole lives and overcomes all things.

Hi Everyone,

Mermaid I agree about what you said on soulmates.
Now twin self - If we don't 'recognise' them, will they us. Is it "not" on both sides?
Assuming the soul's know where to be to meet, how do we meet?
And are we alike (trined, sextiled, cj) or diferent (sq, opposed?)
Is it a difficult relationship (at least at first) or is like "BONG" Well there you are! Where in the blases have you been and what took you so long!!! Seeems like there would be such a emotional release. (couldn't help but be upset for awhile.) Thohts like that. What do guys think?

Darwin

Excellent post Mermaid!! ..Dar..I wonder that same thing, and hopefully, I'll answer that one in a few months.(I think!).lol...

Au Ha! A2, I knew you up to something!
Months? You're the fourth ppl to to tease me with a secert. I wanta know now!

Darwin

P. S. I have secert too. And I'm not telling anyone ever! OK, OK, I give!
I have a left nibblette. Do you think I was supposed to be my twin self and we got mixed up at birth, meraged, and now we don't know who we are? OK, spill the beans, babe!

twin selves or energy relations? i don't know, i mean if we are all from One source, aren't we all one energy form, but in many manifestations? however there are always certain souls one vibrates closer to, perhaps certain stages of evolution one attracts or repels certain people towards one self. i believe in a deep twin soul who is the perfect balance of me, perhaps it is me, upside down, insider out or in ultraviolet shades...birth mix up, or death do us part? proxy?

hi Proxy! ..not a secret..I will tell you soon as I "know".. its a long story and the "veil" may be a part of it LOL@ you again!!

I hope its ok to post this but a show on today on KOMO TV called Northwest Afternoon (Darwin,you should get this in your area!) about TWIN SOULS.

June 23, 2000 - TOGETHER AGAIN
Today on NWA professional psychic medium and clairvoyant
Dennis Jackson will use his gift as a medium to tell audience
members about their love lives, relationships, money, career, and
other messages brought to him from the other side. Joining Dennis
will be his twin soul, Alice Best. Together, they will share their story
of being reunited. Do you have a twin soul? Join us to hear about
the connection of twin souls - told by twin souls.

Aries, Mermaid,& Proxy ,

Wow, a lot of familiar faces/names on this thread...seems like old times!

Aries, that show sounds great, I wish I got it out my way...you'll have to fill me/us (as I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know!?) in on what they have to say!!

I bet I know who you're talking about Aries...someone in PA? How are those aspects panning out? You'll have to let me know!

Anyone out there find they're twin soul yet? I'm sure we'd all love to hear about it...so, do tell!!!

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Love and Light,
Kelly

I hate to repeat myself, but, I've talked before about the fact that I spent some time with my Twin Soul, a long, long, time ago. We, both, were instantly attracted to each other. Matter of fact, both tried to walk away because the strong attraction was purely frightening. It was overwhelming. It seems that neither one of us wanted to loose self-control and risk what ever the fates had in store for us. When something is truly meant to be, it just happens. It was a magical relationship that changed both of us for a while. He was the other half of me and we complimented and completed each other. It was also a psychic union. Some of the strangest things happened in that area. Such as the night he was looking for me and couldn't find me. I suddenly got this powerful urge to run out into the street and holler for him. If I had acted on it, he was so close, he would have heard me. This when he was supposed to be in a different city. Our love created an aura about us that even strangers were attracted to. The stranger at the office we went to refused to noterize my signature on the divorce papers because "We belonged together." Alas, we were meant to meet, and we were also meant to go our separate ways. I have come to believe that we had both chosen to take care of a lot of karma this time around with other people and had to do it separately. It is inevitable that we will meet again and hopefully, we will have evolved enough as individuals to make a go of it the next time. In the mean time, I have recently met another man. I believe that the soul can (as Linda says) switch bodies with another willing soul, and I have often wondered if that would be how we would meet again. I don't think this is the case here. I spent the morning comparing his chart to mine and the connections are there in spades. It looks like we did indeed know each other in a past life. Right now I am inclined to think that we are Soul Mates of some kind. He acted like he knew me the moment we met. He is a friend of my sister's and she tells me that it is very unusual for him to be instantly attracted to someone. This could turn out to be a very interesting chapter in my life story. It is such an impossible situation that it may come to nothing, but I have that "feeling" that it won't be that simple. Good grief, Charlie Brown; he lives in Chicago and I live in Kentucky. And....he doesn't even like to talk on the phone. What a romance this is turning out to be! When I first met him on a visit back in December, I was attracted but didn't take it seriously. He was my date New Years Eve and I enjoyed myself immensly, but thought that was the end of it. When he heard that I was coming up for a visit this month he broke up with his girlfriend. They had an off again, on again relationship for quite some time. My sister told me that he was obsessed with me and the things she was telling me kind of frightened me. I've had some pretty bad experiences with men and to me the word "obsession" has a very negative effect. I wasn't sure I wanted to see him after all. To make a long story short; I did see him and came back to Kentucky with a smile on my face. Some how the music is sweeter and I miss him terribly. I actually wake up in the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep for thinking about him. He may not be my Twin Soul. In fact we are opposites. I've heard how opposites can attract, but this is my first experience with that. It just doesn't seem to matter that he is a Republican and I am a Democrat. The moral of this story is that he doesn't have to be your Twin Soul for you to get a silly grin on your face and enjoy some one special walking into your life. Maybe he is just a Soul Mate that dropped by for a while to remind me that my heart isn't in a permanent coma. It wouldn't be the first time another soul has crossed my path to help me along the way. I'll just have to flow with the river and see where it takes me. For the moment, I am busy enjoying the smile on my face. It's been a long time since I felt this good.

Expect a Miracle and allow it to happen.

Freebird

Freebird,

what a perfectly fantasic post. Big hug for being lonesome now though. If it's ment to be it will happen.

I loved your tale of your twin, and how sad to part company. I met a man a couple of years agao who frightened me because the attraction was SO strong. We didn't hook up in the end - me being to much of a scardie cat, but we work in the same industry and I know people he knows, so you can never tell whats around the next corner....!

I miss him a lot - which is daft because we were never together - but I don't care, I just think he's fab.

Lots of love

Lis

Freebird,

What a great story! I'm curious as to what aspects you shared with your ex...for research purposes, and were they in close orbs?

I too have a friend, who was my only temptation during my 10 year marriage...but I didn't give into it. He always used to tease me & said if you ever get divorced give me a call....so when my husband left, I called him! We went out when he was home for christmas that year & there is definately chemistry, but he was quite respectful of me...espically considering the circumstances. He lives out of state now, but is home a lot to see his parents. Now that I'm free, he's got a girlfriend of several years, but being the Sag has a bit of a thing about being tied down as he hasn't committed yet. He's always asking about my love life & we're supposed to go out in a couple of weeks when he's home...so we'll see what happens!? He's often in my thoughts & has been very much so lately...that's why I'm quite anxious to see him again!!! There are many good aspects between us, including Ven trine Pl, & he's at my Decendant by orb.

Thanks for sharing

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Love and Light,
Kelly

Dear Sweet Lis. Thank you for the nicest hug. I'm not feeling lonesome at the moment, but I will save it in my treasure chest in case I need it. I talked to him last night. Still got a wicked smile on my face. We had the best talk we have had so far. Both of us were worried that we may have left ourselves up to being misunderstood. He really didn't want to leave so early the last night that I was there and hoped I didn't take it wrong. I understood, but it sure was nice of him to tell me how much he wanted to stay. For the moment, I don't have to have him in the same County to feel so loved and wanted. It is right there in his voice.

Interesting that you should ask, Virgo Gemini rising, about the aspects. They facinate me, that's for sure. I never had the time of birth for my ex, so there is a lot missing, but there is one very strong aspect between our charts. It's my Mars conjunct his Venus. He was every thing I was looking for in a man and I was every thing he was looking for in a woman. The fact that he is an Aquarius and I am a Libra rising, with three planets in Gemini, added to a lot in common. Oh yeah, Mars, my ruling planet is in Aquarius. I wonder if the chart can really tell you if it is your Twin Soul. When he puts a smile on your face that touches people around you, that's your Twin Soul. You got me to thinking on this one. I don't have Johnny's time of birth yet. He promised to get it for me even if he says he doesn't believe in astrology. But even with out that, I know that his North Node is conjunct my Sun. His Venus conjunct my Jupiter. Saturn is activated too, but not in a difficult way. It sure looks like we have known each other in a past life. It surprised me when I found out he was a Cancer. He doesn't act like one. I figured he was more a Gemini. Sure enough, he has several planets in Gemini. That includes the Moon and I sure want his time of birth for that one. I have a Venus conjunct Uranus there that has at times brought me some rather pleasant surprises. It helps that they trine my Neptune in Libra. And get this.....his Jupiter in Aquarius fills out this trine to the exact degree. I do believe we were meant to meet. I use more than astrology for this revelation. I found something very interesting in his chart. More than one aspect says that he has had psychic experiences. Wonder if he will ever admit it. He does not come off as the mystical type. Who knows? He may have a bit to learn.

Shame on you, Lis, for acting like a scardie cat. But, per haps the moment wasn't right yet. You will know when it is. I swear that these things happen exactly when they are meant to be. And, it is Magic. Of the best kind. That goes for you too, VG. Good Luck with your Sag. I don't want to worry you, but my second ex was a Sag. with a wandering eye, but he had a lot of difficult aspects in his chart. I've sworn off of Sags myself. Those born in December need not apply for a position in my love life. I preferr air signs any way. They can say the most interesting things.

I gotta run. My dinner is getting cold and I'm missing a good movie.

Wishing you all the Magic you can handle.

Freebird

Hi everybody,

thank you for all those wonderful stories about twin souls, soulmates and lovers.

Do you think, that a twin soul is always of the opposite sex or is someone you might fall in love with? Couldn't it be that your twin soul in this life is e.g. your child, your mother or your brother? Or a very good friend?

I am not sure if I met my twin soul in this life. I didn't really have supernatural experiences, but I did experience the feeling that I somehow knew someone who had just been introduced to me. For example I have a penmate in Russia - my russian is quite bad and I knew him only for one evening, but we just HAD to stay in contact, although it is very difficult.

And when I fell in love with my boyfriend, I suddenly had a feeling as if I knew him for years and years. His face, his eyes looked so familiar, it was really frightening. I am sure that we know each other from past lives and that we decided to meet in this life. I always fell in love with Aquarius-men, mostly they had something to do with laws. I never knew why, but now I think I was looking for him.

We met very early in our lives, quite too early, so we were just acquainted for a couple of years before we started a relationship. As if our higher Selves knew when the time was right. There was always a deep attraction, and I think the only reason that we didn't come together earlier is that we were living in different parts of the country and did not meet very often. Then one day he moved closer and - BANG! I hope he is my twin soul, it would be great to stay together through the incarnations. I just can't imagine a world without him anymore.

Love and Light

Morgana

Kelly, I think I like this man for you. I'll observe form the sidelines and see if he makes you twinkle in the next few months. If nothing else he has given you a perfect distraction to think about over difficult times. The last post of yours seemed to indicate that he was curious.

Freebird, you truly are such an enlightened soul. You light up the shadows of my ignorance. I have missed you while you've been away making rainbows.

Your chap sounds delightful, isn't it amazing what a phone call can achieve. I'm interested to hear what psychic ability he hides, perhaps he does not call it that - perhaps something gentler like dreams, which he may not peg out into that basket. It's lovely that he'll let you in on his birth data even though he doesn't believe. I'm glad you're not lonesome, long distances can be tough, I'm more than sure it will be worth it.

I do know what you mean about putting a smile on your face, and I guess in your heart. Laugher can be so refreshing and heart lifting. I'm very interested in love aspects, I'm not at all astrologically knowledgeable, beyond the very bare bones. So I do get lost sometimes, quite easily actually.

My scary cat man and I have Venus conjunct Pluto and a sextile (if I'm right our Pluto's are in Virgo his Venus in Virgo and mine is in Scorp) hence the amazingly powerful nature of the attraction.

We have a whole bunch of other stuff and a few really nasty ones. My moon squares his Saturn, his mercury tines my Saturn. All that said, my Mars conjuncts his Pluto....the kiss of death, probably, although I'd hate a relationship that's all hearts and flowers - it wouldn't feel real? I still pine to and extent though - it's very weird as I've not had such a powerful attraction, and with having so much Scorp in my chart - it's not something that would normally put me off. Mmmmm, you never know, he might return to me at some point.

Anyway's long enough me thinks,

Kelly - I'll cross my fingers and toes for you, Freebird, it's lovely to see you back with a grin on your face.

Lots of love

Lis

Hi,
Here I didn't say about the wierd experience to do with this man. I've not told anyone else but I guess if I wisper no one but us can hear - can they?

I was in a pub with this guy and a few others from work, (I used to work with him - about a year ago) and one of the girl had bought a babt grow for a freind, but when I looked up I got this ....em.... vision of him bouncing a baby up and down, he looked so happy - it was all over in a blink. Now what does that mean? As i say NOTHING happend with him - except a few sparks and intense looks (he's got as much Scorp as me I think). So I've never figured out what that was all about.....possibly never will.

sorry 2 posts in a row, but your the first people I've told that too.

Lots of love

Lis

Lis,

Thanks for your wishful thoughts on my Saggie friend...I definately think the attraction is the Ven tri Pl by 2 degrees & we also have Sun opp Mn, Sun tri Ven, Sun tri Ur, Mn tri Mars, Ven sx Mars & sq Mars, along with Ven cj Jup,& sx Nep. We have some not so good one's too...Asc sq Sat, Sun sq Mer both ways, Mn opp Mer, Mn sq Pl, and Mer sq Pl & opp Sat. Quite a mixed bag....huh? I'll be curious to see what happens when he's back in town, I can't wait to ask about the girlfriend!?

I think with your situation, your vision was of your future with him holding your child! I definately think something is going to happen with that man when the time is right!!!

Freebird,

Thanks for sharing your aspects...it helps for research purposes!!! Sounds like you've got a good one going on there! How lucky for you to find more than one soulmate in a life (of the romantic sort)...I sure hope a good one comes my way soon!?! I should try an air sign since I have a Gem Asc & Moon, I don't know why, but I never seem to end up with one?! My first love was a Libra, he was a cheat & my first heartbreak...maybe that's why!

Talk to you ladies soon, I'll keep you updated on my Saggie friend.

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Love and Light,
Kelly

Kelly,

I have hopes for this man of yours - there seems to be a connection there that goes deep. I'll watch and wait and see what happend when you visit together? I'll have a peak at the aspects you've mentioned. I'm not up on these things - but a girl can learn or at least do soem home work, but i've got to go out - so it will need to be a big bit later.

As for my vision, who know, jury is still very out on that. It would be good if we were even talking in a casual way - unlikely with our suns. So unless somethign magical changes it might be a long time comming. Patience is not my thing.

Much love in the mean time

Lis

Morgana,

Sorry I misseed you out
em i'm no expert, but my understanding and there will be other points of veiw shared as well, there is also several other threads on this topic that are well worth a look including on in Ask the Astro..., That a twin Soul can be either sex to the person but the twin self is the opposit.

I'm thinking aloud now "Now if that's the case, what to homosexuals do?".

The thing about it is only you will know for sure, there ar a few asto indicators meantjioned in relationship signs, but when push comes to shove, it's your hear that you follow.

Much love and sorry for not replying earlier.

Lis

What interesting thoughts are flying around on this thread! Sorry I didn't get back to you all last night. Would you believe I spent the entire evening writing a letter to this enchanting new man in my life only to wake up this morning with the strongest feeling that I had said to much, to soon and I never sent it? It was fun writing it though. It was the first love letter I had written since I used to write to my Twin Soul. That was funny. He was in the Navy at the time and when they used to get "Mail Call" on the ship, he said that other sailors wouldn't read thier own letters until he had read my letter and read them the parts that were "not to personal." Can you believe he read them the part about how I had heard that because of an automobile accident he had before I met him, it was possible that he couldn't have children and that was ok with me, we would just raise dogs? Don't ask me why they all thought that was so funny. I have learned over the years to listen to my instincts and when I woke up with such a strong feeling this morning, I took the letter out of the envelope and wrote a short note to send with the picture my daughter took of him and me together that I had promised to send him.

How's this for synchronicity? Here I am talking about him and my sister interupts with a phone call to tell me that she saw him last night and he was telling everybody about how I had called him for his birthday and now all of his friends know that he is crazy about me. Good Grief, Charlie Brown, I am enjoying this! My daughter got on the phone and told her that it is like living with a bloomin teenager. Guess she'll just have to learn to go with the flow.

You brought up some interesting thoughts. Have you read the things that White Feather has to say here in Linda Land, Morgana? I read everything I can find that he posts. He is such an interesting man. He has talked about how he met his wife and it is so refreashing to hear a man talk about his woman with nothing but Love for her. More than that. He admires her, and you can tell he has a lot of respect for her and her talents. I never said anything, but until recently, I was kind of jealous of them. No, "jealous" is a bit to strong of a word. It did make me yearn for something similar. Any way, he says that his daughter is his Twin Soul. Kind of proves my point. I'm sure your Twin Soul can be a parent, a child, a sibling; any number of possibilities. And at the same time, there are other very specaial people in your life, such as Soul Mates who paths parallel yours for a while (long time or short) and bring you joy. I am a most fortunate woman, VG. It may have been such an awful long time since I met more than one Soul Mate, but there have been others besides the latest. If Herb hadn't crossed my path back in Seattle when I was going through my first divorce from my Twin Soul, I never would have made it. He was there to help me and, where ever he may be, I still Love him for it. There are some very special souls wandering around on Mother Earth and it has been my pleasure to meet quite a few of them.

I had to laugh, Lis, when I read your question about what do homosexuals do. Honey, they do the same thing a hetro does. They search for their Twins. Settle for less at times, mostly because they are lonly and a Twin can be so hard to find. They make the same mistakes and they keep on searching just like every body else. Some of them find the one they are looking for and live happily ever after although, in their case, they also have to deal with a society that doesn't understand a homosexual relationship. I figure that takes a lot of inner strength. I might also mention before I have to go eat my dinner that is getting cold again, that when I read what you said about seeing this vision of this fellow bouncing a baby, I got the strong feeling that you picked up on a picture of the past. Wether you two are meant to be together in this life or not is up to your Higher Selves, but you once were, and that memory came flooding back to you. He was very special to you before and the feelings were so strong, they remain. It is up to you and your Higher Self to decide what to do about it. I wish you Wisdom.

I gotta go, my friends. Blessed Be and don't forget the Magic.

Freebird

Hi Freebird,

I might go in search of White Feather's posts as well. sounds interesting. Your letter sounded lovely. It's so nice to get so rapped up in your thoughts that tat you loose yourself in communicating the heart of the man you love. It made me laugh that you choose not to send it and wrote another one. I've never done that before - Only kidding.

As for homosexual twinself, yes that feels right, TS is not necessarily of the opposite sex, just the one that you are into. It makes sense. I feel a little bit envious of the life style in a weird kinda way. It always seems so full of life, so vibrant, but there is an edge of pain around it. One of the chaps I used to work with, and socialise with, a charming and warm guy who was full of life and love, we once had a conversation where he became lost in his own thoughts and said ...sorry I can't remembers. Basically he was angry with himself for be a sad queen, it pained me a lot because he really was a wonderful person. He had found his partner (10 years they had been together) an was very happy, although at one point he was thinking of having and affair, but didn't - thank goodness, his boyfriend was lovely as well but in a different way, more gentle and stronger.

Freebird, I liked you thoughts on the baby vision, that make more sense to me. It was the sheer joy on his face that made is such a strong happening, it was over in a trice but I feel privileged to have seen it. Perhaps I need to learn to fear less, but the vibes are a little scary. One of these day's ..... .

Thank you for sharing your wisdom, most insightful, I might go and wish upon a star, and see what magic can be conjured up.

Love

Lis

Hi Knowflakes
I went out with someone for two years who I had karmic ties with, although there was no Venus/Pluto activity (except squared, I think). He was the first person of the opposite sex who I immediately felt at ease with as soon as I met him, I felt I could be myself and express myself freely (his DOB is 1oth June 1977 at 4:10pm in Geneva). In the latter months of our relationship, I was having doubts; first of all it was the Venus/Pluto thing, but then it was because I felt although we had harmony, we didn't have enough in common and we had completely different aspirations in life, came from completely different backgrounds; I always felt maturer than him and I've always been attracted to mature men. The physical side of our relationship lacked heat as well as true fusion; it did not elavate my soul, but I brushed this aside for some time as I had not known much success with this in this lifetime; I only knew somehow that it could be so much more.....Then finally came the friction with our viewpoints; I found his so flat and surgical and trying to discuss things was like a tiring "circumlocution"!

I put these feelings off until I could no longer take it. We decided (instigated by him, probably due to some insecurity which he hid well) to have an "open relationship" (if any of you know what I am referring to). Finally, I kissed someone who I'd always been attracted to, who I'd met just before I got with the other person, but written him off because I felt he wasn't interested, and now I know the time wasn't right because I, and perhaps him too, had lessons to learn and ways to evolve which would make us more compatible. I managed to put him right out of my mind, and in my relationship with the Gemini we were both loyal and true to each other. But then, when I kissed this man after agreeing on an "open relationship", I found I could not get him out of my mind and I could not surpress the truth (of our relationship problems) any longer. The break-up must have been so sudden and shocking to him, it had a delayed effect. I tryed not to hurt him, but hurt him more in the end. I denyed it to myself, because I did not understand. What hurt him was the turth, and lies wouldn't have helped. I kept the fact I was seeing this person after we broke up from him for a while, and then when I told him, he didn't even want to be friends any more, because he was so sickened with grief. I feel bad and regretful, but at the same time my new partner has made me very happy and awakened parts of me I never knew could be. I feel as though there is an ESP bond between us sometimes, and when we make love I feel we are truely blending and fusing. I don't know if it was in my mind, but when I compared our charts, it was like one was left and the other was right, with similar planets all in earth signs and so on. My Neptune is conjunct his sun, and although our natal charts appear to make us platonic, my progressed Venus is exactly conjunct his progressed Mars, which are both moving backwards together. There are also a number of ties with Saturn. (My DOB is 25th May 1980 at 11:35pm in Bristol, England, and his is 11th December 1960 at 6:30am in Tripolis, Libya). We do have Mars square Pluto, but he's never wanted to live with a partner anyway, and we both like to give, understand and avoid unpleasantness. I know that what we have is special, and we can feed into each other and give each other what we need in more ways than one. I am in love with the very energy his spirit is made of; it is like poetry to me, music, mystery, runnaway black-beauty accross a beach. His mind, body and soul all seem to compliment my own creativity and all enchant me because they are different to my own and yet similar in the right ways; as though our nature was created for our perfect blend. The nature of our spirits and souls.
With my ex, it was different to this; we could understand our wavelengths, but our spirit-natures were completely different and did not compliment each other. In the end, I felt liberated because in subtle ways I'd been drawn into not being myself while we were together.
It's stange the way things happen, the sequence of events all seemed to be knotted together in a freakish way. Before I fell for my Sagittarian well and truely, I did not intend on falling for anyone, not until I met my real Twin Self! But Mr Sagittarius seemed to be imprinted within my consciousness and subconsciousness, and it was telling me that I just needed to be a part of him and have a part of him, I needed to be in his life; I wanted him.....somehow his prescence in the world makes it a much more beautiful one! These feelings seem to be way beyond my control.
However, I don't like to contemplate that we may not last forever because he may not be my Twin Self. My inner yearning wants more than that; I've dreamt of finding my Twin Self since I was chronologically 9 years old. Perhaps I know too much for my own good sometimes, although maybe it's had it's positive effects at the same time.

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