...some material about Saturn in each of the 12 Houses.

Just one paragraph each (first paragraph) from each chapter, to introduce all of them. Hopefully, there will be something that helps, or at least gives thoughts on this part of a chart.

With Love,
MS AVC

[This message has been edited by MS AVC (edited 12-09-2000).]

....from the book... Twelve Faces of Saturn: Your Guardian Angel Planet - by Bil Tierney

Saturn in the First House

The closer Saturn is to the ASD, the more it suggests we may start off life with an uncomfortable self-image. An unchildlike uptightness is suggested. We have learned at a very tender age to hold back from taking spontaneous action due to basic insecurities about ourselves. Our instinct is to hesitate rather than self-assuredly mobilize our energies. Cautiousness and an air of reserve are often evident in our youth, reflecting an apparent degree of maturity in at least some of us. But because we naturally consider the consequences of our actions before initiating them, we readily keep most impulses in check. We at least are able to wait until we can calculate a better sense of timing before attempting to fulfill our urges. We seldom assertively or boldly move out into our environment. Patient restraint and a wait-and-see attitude are typical ways we face life.

Saturn in the Second House

A standard definition of Saturn in this house suggests that restrictions imposed on our earning and spending power exist until we have learned how to better handle finances in a mature and responsible manner. Life will pressure us to establish sound and sensible material values. People who amass great fortunes can have this position, especially those who've earned their riches instead of having simply gotten lucky. A certain shrewdness is impoied, as Saturn can calculate and carefully assess its options. What needs to be emphasized with this Saturn position is the proper and timely utilization of all personal resources. Until then, some of us with this placement are either going to feel insufficiently funded or may actually undergo monetary hardships.

Saturn in the Third House

While Mercury is the planet that best describes our mind and what intellectually interests us, the Third House describes how we learn to adapt our mental equipment to transient conditions we meet up against in our personal day-to-day world. With Saturn in the Third House, we communicate with our immediate environment with a measure of thoughtful reflection. Our mental processes operate less effectively when presented in a spontaneous, impulsive, unplanned manner. We are better served by learning to be orderly and discriminating in our thinking. We are to carefully observe our surroundings and selectively retain useful data.

Saturn in the Forth House

In this house of psychological roots and subjective anchoring, Saturn suggests we may feel a deep lack of inner security due to our early family experience. It may not have been easy for us to digest the general atmosphere within the home during our formative years. Later, we may grow making a concentrated effort to protect ourselves from whatever we regard as emotionally threatening. Saturn in the Fourth House can be emotionally threatening. Saurn in the Fourth House can be an easily internalized placement. We can become quite adept at constructing defense mechanisms and other psychological barriers that insulate us from experiencing vulnerability in close human interactions, leaving us lonely and cut off from others at a root level of our being.

Saturn in the Fifth House

At some point during our formative years, our sense of self-esteem may have been bruised. Somebody important to us (Daddy, or even Mommy playing Daddy?) may have sat on our spirit long enough to make us feel puny, unworthy, or painfully insignificant. One result of this is the formation of a fragile ego. We doubt our creative talents and /or question our right to openly and expressively display our "star power" to the world. Some of us who self-inhibit can suffer and inferiority complex that stirs much inner turmoil and frustration. A few of us who over-compensate are constantly attempting to prove ourselves superior to the rest of humanity. We work hard at risk-taking in those areas where we feel most competent, but do we really believe in our own glory?

Saturn in the Sixth House

Saturn in the Sixth House suggests we are to learn how to render dutiful service to others without feeling like l\slaves or work machines run amok. We want to be productive, but Saturn here means we do best when we learn to be discriminating, selective, and conscious of our daily routines. Are such careful, detailed actions always necessary? Are we tackling our taskes the hard way when efficient shortcuts would work better? To remain unconscious suggests we can concentrate too much time and effort on monotonous tasks that can drain us or leave us feeling like we'll never ever get to go to the ball, whether due to our lazy wicked stepsisters or otherwise. This position implies for us the danger of playing "doormat" and "dishrag," two roles unworthy of us and our above average organizational talents. Work is always serious business and something we need to structure with great thoughtfulness and care, but we are not here to straighten out any and every mess others try to toss our way. We have to know what is really our job and what is someone else's job.

Saturn in the Seventh House

Saturn in this house of peer partnerships means we tend to be insecure about our ability to relate to others on an equal footing. It's no wonder that the prospect of marriage is given much deliberate, careful attention. We're afraid to suffer the consequences of not choosing the right person, though this is not always a conscious fear. We take partnership very seriously and are intolerant of any failures or disappointments in this area. We want our primary relationships to bring us a lasting sense of security, which can be more meaningful to us than something as intangible as mere "happiness." We want something solid and self-evident that we can count on---but there are often obstacles in the path. First of all, many of us are not certain that we will ever have fulfilling partnerships. We fear we will fail our significant others in some way, or that they will disappoint us, so we proceed with caution regarding marital commitment and sharing our lives in long-term involvements.

Saturn in the Eighth House

Unless Saturn is also in Scorpio, there doesn't have to be anything too emotionally gut-wrenching about having Saturn in the Eighth House. Scorpio uses its own kind of powerful fuel to drive Saturn's engine---but in Gemini, for instance, it might be a different story altogether. Thus, the sign involved will give needed clues as to what motivates this Saturn to operate. However, Eighth House matters all deal with circumstances that are typically experienced behind closed doors, away from public scrutiny, so secretiveness and privacy can still be the Scorpio-like issues intrinsic to this house. We find ourselves drawn to serious life situations that are ponderous, complex, and sometimes mysterious. Saturn here suggests we have an urge to control or master those things that have enormous power implications for us, whether within the layers of our own psyches or outside of ourselves in a world of high-stakes survival games, whether involving business, finances, passionate conquests, or intimate but stormy relationships.

Saturn in the Ninth House

Saturn in the Ninth House of collective inspiration and broad social awareness may urge some of us to direct our quest for ultimate meaning toward more practical, workable explanations. Universal ideals and religious concepts need to be well structured and made real if they are to provoke any sense of true belief for us. For those with orthodox views , God must forever prove His Almightiness in clear, black-or-white terms in a world where true believers get healed and sinners get punished for transgressions in this life as well as in the hereafter. Viewing God as a stern judge who rewards the obedient and the righteous may be appealing for some. Others of us, less connected to mainstream religious tenets, may have an ambition to thouroughly understand heavyweight life principles and profound theories. We can be deeply philosophical and contemplative, with a scientific bent. While we may also take religion seriously, we do so cautiously; much the way religious scholars do as they try to differentiate accurate scriptures from corrupted texts. It is important for us to have clearly presented knowledge devoid of cultural bias, which is very difficult to find in the field of religion.<BR>

Saturn in the Tenth House

Our Tenth House is not only a life sector associated with our outward contribution to society's structure, it also represents the fruits of our efforts resulting in our reputation---honor, social standing, and the name we make for ourselves via our achievements. It describes what motivates us to move up the social ladder in our attempt to fulfill our ambitions. Much of these dynamics can be gleaned by studying the sign at our midheaven, our key to the somewhat less personal identity we develop to meet societal demands. However, any planet in our Tenth House does imply a personal drive tht needs proper outlets for its expression. When that planet is Saturn (especially when it is close to the MC), we may feel in a semi-conscious manner that society is forever evalutaing who we are in a worldly sense, and what we intend to do to add something important to this collective structure. We assume the world is not only watching and judging us, but is demanding we produce something tangible, solid, and enduring, so we feel pressured to emulate model civic behavior on some level.

Saturn in the Eleventh House

Saturn in this house has a basic fear of the potential chaos large groups of people can cause. Mobs running wild or anarchists on an uncontrolled path of destruction could be two of and Eleventh House Saturn's worst nightmares. There is something about unregulated group energy on the move that repels this planet. We could at least get claustrophobic in crowds. The Eleventh House is where we find people coming together to support progressive and even futuristic ideals. Large groups of individuals get to pool their energies, form powerful alliances, and operate as an even greater social force, for better or worse, than any one person could alone. Saturn, looking at this complex of egos fortifying eachother's power and will, starts to panic. That's because Saturn is a separatist at heart and is not eager to lose its identity to any group. It will not surrender itself unconditionally to any abstract cause, especially when in this house. Total, unquestioned loyalty is not what Saturn is willing to give (although Saturn/Neptune patterns might). Yet there are many other facets of the Eleventh House experience that can help Saturn feel connected to people in a broader and more purposeful sense.

Saturn in the Twelth House--can be found on "Twelth House" thread

[This message has been edited by MS AVC (edited 12-08-2000).]

Great thread...........

PROXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I do hope that you manage to read this and finally have it put to be those thought of yours of my Saturn!!!! It's just keeping an eye on me and protecting me from harm!

Love and hugs all round

Lis

Hi tinkerbell,

As usual your Astrology is as backwards as your spellin'.
I never had a concern about YOUR Saturn. There are a few around here on LG that may be though.
And if you call a 7th House Pisces Saturn a protector, whoa, have you got a surprise coming your way, Scorpio girl.

My Astro-lesson to you from way back was that my Virgo Saturn may be conjunct your Mars, Pluto, and Uranus.
I am sure that if we had not agreed to not discuss charts that I would have put you in your place many moons ago, wee fairy scone.
But since, in reality, I really am a nice guy, I let it roll off like water on a ducks back only because I know that you are INDEED a protected little fairy from heaven's gates.

Besides, could Venus tell Pluto anything? Would Venus upset the Moon? Can Jupiter argue with Neptune?
And with opposing Saturns we are more mature than the average flat dwelling CoatRack, capable of surmounting the most difficult differences through tolerance, forgiveness, patience, and grace. It's just that for once I wish I could find a post with my name on it from you that wasn't a punch in the arm. Many men that I know, in REAL life, would have pushed you off one of those London bridges a long time ago!

And if you had continued to study the material you would have seen that I have an empty 12th in Cancer, ruled by the Moon.
My Moon is in Libra, conjunct my Neptune, and I am ruled by Pluto in Leo, which is the Sun, and my Mercury and Mars are in Aquarius, which is the AGE that is upon us.
I am a fun loving Sun Shinny Moon Child from the depths of the eternal dream world.
Your lucky to even know me.

So don't shake that uptight, nit pickin' detailed Virgo, intense self centered Scorpio crap at me! Leave it at work, honey.

Love and Hugs,
Darwin

geee Darwin honey ....

which charm school booted you out for smoking behind the bike shed! Someone has been eating cranky pie has he??????

I'm so terribly privelaged to know you, U R right! I so enjoy the pleaseure of having a dicotomis, cranky bloke in my life who gets Oh SO Jelous when he's not given enough attention! Seeing as I'm a scorp virgo type who's terribly strung up on detail...how come I've never even bothed with your chart????

I just take you as you come my dear, hot one day.....cold the next! An angel in my presence?

But one thing I do agree with you on....I don't care what the temerature of the day is. I still love you, even though I'm not IN love with you!!!

Catcha later

Lis

And JUST for the RECORD - SATURN is in my SIXTH HOUSE ACTUALLY! so there!

[This message has been edited by tinkerbell (edited 12-09-2000).]

hehe ... dicotomis? Is that an English word? It's not in my American dictionary.
I was just stating the facts of our relationship aspects since you have been persistent in putting words in my virtual mouth with inaccuracy, projection, and Pluto arrogance. (You're not alone, eveyone does it.)
I was just attempting to clear the air of frustration caused by wrong attention, not the lack of attention.
And what do I get? I get a mouth full of smugness and denial from a Virgo Mars and revengeful name calling from Virgo Pluto. Technically your Saturn may be at the end of your 6th, but I believe it is operating in the 7th.
And why do you keep saying that you are not IN love with me? Are you left handed or something?

Isn't Astrology fun!
I love you too.
Darwin

Dear MS AVC,
Thank you for the Saturn treat! I have begun to think about it concerning myself and people close to me. I already made one new discovery just from the first reading.
Hi everyone else.
Love,
Piscesdreamer

Dear MS AVC,

Thanks for posting the houses of Saturn, I checked all my family.

I feel very drawn to Saturn. Well, I must be since it is my Sun sign regent. And I have it in conjuction with my sun.

I have a book that says, according to Saturn how the person dealt with responsability in a prior life and some Karmic stuff!!! very interesting.

If you'd like I would be glad to post the information, for each sign and house.

Goodmorning,

I'm barely awake yet....

Tish please do post the material you have. I think it's a good idea to have more angles.

Thanks for the comments everyone,
With Love
MS AVC

try Dichotomous. If you are looking for a slanging match - start you own thread - don't do it on the girls!

Lis

[This message has been edited by tinkerbell (edited 12-09-2000).]

Hi Lis and Proxy,

OH! I admire you both for your mental agility and witty answers to the post!!!!

I am imaginning how a conversation would be with you too!!!!

Hi MS AVC< I am glad you liked the idea!!

I will go take my book and post!!!

Tish hahahaha,

It's only funny if you are in the mood for it.

This is a dead interesting tread - I'm very interested in my 12th house at the moment (givent aht so much of my life hangs out in there).

Proz is just into being mean in the name of Saturn - I like having Saturn 1. in picese and 2 in the 6 OR the 7th house. I think it gives me and interesting take on life. Careful, dicering, non one of those flippity jibbets who falls madly in love with any old tom dick or harry that happens to flutter their eye lashes at her!

Snuff said I'll be good!

Love and hugs as per usual

Lis

Saturn represents the totality of Karma through de historic periods of lifetimes. It shows the responsabilities that were avoided or taken on the past. We must remember that karma can be positive or negative.

Karma has five aspects:

1. Planet Earth Karma
2. Our nation Karma
3. Our ethnic group Karma
4. Our family Karma
5. Our own individual Karma

Saturn on 1st House:

This ubication deals wuth the need to develop the personality. If Saturn is well aspected it shows we have developed our personality correctly in the past and we took our responsabilities in an adequate way.
In consecuence in this life we will harvest the goods of working on our petsonality on other lives. The world will see our personality as a good influence on other people.
If Saturn is negative on the first house indicates that the individual didn't worked on developing the personality. Maybe resisted change, didn't evolutionate like an individual, kept old routines, and denied growth.

Im a firm believer that we all need at least one good hearty laugh each day,and thanks PROXY and TINKER for supplying mine!
You two sound like a married couple,so get on it already!

What a Riot!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for months'-worth of humor, for me, after-- Laughter-in-retrograde!

[This message has been edited by MS AVC (edited 12-09-2000).]

Tish

I'm fascinated by your Karma posting. Please explain more of what you may know on that, and do add more of the Houses! If you get the chance

Piscesdreamer I'd like to hear what you learned.

Funnymakers I doubt most would underestimate the lessons taught by Laughiage!!

Darwin ~ Lis
Good luck!!!
May You buy a Stable Table, hehehe!!!

Love,
Angelika

Well i guess I can stop feeling bad about making a mess on your guys thread - everyone seems to be finding it hillarious! Anyways we chatted and are cool! hehhehe Bet he's still a cranky spcie - seeing as he got up way too arely this morning - I will leave you in peace and love.

Prox - if your listening in - please wil you get yourself down to Grrrrrrrrrr thread - I want to know what A2 is on about!!!!

Love and laughter

Lis

Tinkerbell,

thanks YOU guys for "messing" this thread in the right direction. You couldn't know it was exactly what I needed to read today! Fabulous! flippity jibbets, indeed...ha ha ha

Perhaps people won't take their placement in SATURN SO SERIOUSLY...

Like I said, Thank You

This is what I'll do, I will post a little about karma in general, then each house, in each post....

* The key factors to analize in Karmic Astrology are included:
1. 12th house --> the past, inconclusive matters.
2.The asc --> the main purpose of the actual encarnation.
3. Saturn--> the legacy of the past.
4. Pluto --> the lessons to learn on this lifetime.
5. Nodes and retrograde planets --> they tell about past characteristics with precision and detail.

Saturn on 2nd House

This placing shows responsability concerning the determination of values, they can relate to money, posessions or moral values. Here the main issue is the important values of the person thruogh life times.
Having Saturn on the 2nd house, the person will have to struggle to obtain his goals.
If Saturn is aspected positive, it is easier to obtain them. He will always have to ask for help though.
Negative aspects to Saturn, means the person didn't developed adequate values on prior lives or made bad use of material posesions and wrong moral values.
Money in itself is a marvelous advantage if it is used correctly.
The lesson to achieve here is "when a person really wants something and gets it, must use it correctly."

Saturn represents Karma, and it not punishes, but teaches. When the person accepts and learns the lesson, he will get everything.
This implication deals with the struggle inside to aknowledge that matter is based on spirit that gives it energy to exist.....in other words 'Spirit (God) is the life on the manifested world".

( I apologized for mistakes in English, I have this material on Spanish in a notebook)

[This message has been edited by Tish (edited 12-09-2000).]

Tish, Great Idea

I haven't studied the 2nd House Karma yet, but I think it works best a little at a time anyway. I appreciate your doing the translation work too.
I'm going to read about the 2nd House now.

Thanks to you Amiga
MS AVC

Daer MS AVC,

Your welcome!!!!

I am enjoying this!!

Thankyou so much, everyone, for creating this wonderful and enlightening thread...

I have just finished reading a fantastic book by Liz Greene, "Saturn, a New Look at an Old Devil". It's actually an extremely optimistic book, one that encourages us to make a friend of, and perhaps even welcome what Saturn (something I have found very difficult, with my Saturn T-square)has to teach us.

I think I have to mention Capricorns here.

I know so many, and they have all has very tough lives, yet they (like no other sign) seem to be able to rise above all the crap, and come out the other side completely intact, but tougher.(Shades of Scorpio? Is there a link perhaps?)

Think of all the Capricorns you've known. Does the above apply to the Capricorns in your lives too?

Looking forward to reading more of your posts.

Love from Tanya

Hi Tanya,

I'm glad you are joining us!!

I am a Capricorn, and I have to tell you,
you are so right....

I have been through some rought things, and I always find the strenght to stand up again, and with my head up!!!!

I have a small and fragile outlook, and people around me can't believe I am so strong...

And I have to thank my regent Saturn for that!!

Saturn on 3rd House,

Here Saturn deals with the responsability that the person must have dealing with the way of comunicating with other pesons. It also requieres the aplication of a practical mentality to everyday experiences by acquiring knowledge.
it also indicates the need to get self identification or selfperception.
If Saturn is positive, indicates that in prior lives the person developed stable family relations, and had a responsible commitment to family matters. On this lifetime, the person will be respected by his family, because he will represent the family stability. He will be a guide among the family circle.
If it is negative, the person didn't act responsibly toward the family. He denied mental, economical and spiritual support for his brothers and sisters.
This placing could also mean no brothers or sisters on this lifetime. He can be an only child, and miss having brothers and sisters.
On comunication point of view, Saturn on the 3rd house could mean a waste opportunity to teach others on a past life, denial to share knowledge. Especially spiritual.
It also indicates bad relationship with neighbors on a past life, didn't value education. And denied to share and comunicate with others his knowledge.