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The path round www.astro.com is below...it gives a full lunar fertiliy cycle for free.

Someone ws looking for a good book on fertility in astrology; this one was recommended by my local astrology specilist.

"Your Fertile Hours" by Emily Faugno

I am none too sure how widely available it is, but I am sure you can always order it.

Lov n hugs

Lis

What about non-fertile times then?? So one can have safe sex unprotected?? lol.

Hi Lorsa....

Well "Safe sex" is always protected, there are a lot of STD bugs to catch.

Now theoretically it is unlikely that you will get pregnant at other times (there is a chart of fertile periods for women on extened chart section of astro). However I am none too sure how proven this theory is.

LOL

Lis

Some gave instructions for this before...dont' rememeb who but thought I would replace it after the crash.

Go into www.astro.com
Then free charts.
Go to extended chart selection.
And then at the top left hand side there is a astrodienst special link,
click that and then the top left pull down menu has lunar phases fertility calander (it is one of the last options). Then run the chart from there.

Interesting!

Lis

Planning to get pregnant anytime soon Sam? lol!!!

lol, Carrie! Don't you remember? He always has questions!

HI there Tink.
I saw this post yesterday,It was a good move to put this back up. I had never seen it before,so I went to astro.com and used the fertility tables. It was quite easy, the graph showed the new moon and the full moon, and the ovulation date was marked in a half square with a masculine or feminine symbol above, Venus or Mars to indicate what the sex of the baby will be if conception takes place. Anyway amazingly enough, just after I left there and went back into my inbox, an email had arrived from an Aust. Astrology site. A man had posted something about Dr. Jonas's work, and was after some info on it, as he had tried himself to do this for someone ten years ago, and was not sure of the outcome, she did not get back to him. I was able to immediately tell him of astro.com...So I also put together this info last night, taken from four books I have. It relates to Dr Jonas and his work regarding Astrobiology....

1970
PSYCHIC DISCOVERIES BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN
(Ostrander&Shroeder) They visited the Soviet Union in 1968
Chapter on Astrological Birth Control mentions that in 1960 Dr. Eugene Jonas had found an individual pattern that, basically, involves the relationship of the Sun and the Moon at each womens birth. They said Birth Control Via Astrology seems to work. It was referred to as Astrobiology
The claims...*Ensure safe, reliable birth control without pills, contraceptives, or operations.
*Help many seemingly sterile women become fertile.
*Help women who have had nothing but miscarriages deliver full term babies.
*Help ensure a healthy baby, eliminating birth defects and mental retardation. (it was discovered that squares to the sun at conception from the major planets caused these defects)
*Allow parents to choose wheather they will have a girl or a boy.(the sign that the moon is in at conception, Masculine or Feminine, determines the sex of the unborn child. eg. Aries moon=male child..Taurus moon=female child and so on)

1978
LINDA GOODMANS LOVE SIGNS
Chapter A Time To Embrace. Refers to Dr. Eugene Jonas and his work on Astrobiology. Linda said that she attempted a phone call with him in 1970 regarding this matter, in the end the conversation did not take place for a couple of reasons.

1987
THE PRACTICAL ASTROLOGER (Nicholas Campion)
Chapter. Fertility Conception & Birth. Mentions that in the 1960's an experiment took place in Czechoslovakia where Dr. Eugene Jonas's experiments on women had discovered the exact distance between Sun and Moon seem to be the critical factor.

1998
MOON MAGIC (Lori Reed)
Chapter. Sex, fertility & Childbirth. She mentions Eugene Jonas and his research center. Of how he had discovered a method that women had used "apparantly" for centuries. The method is based on the idea that a woman is at the peak of her fertility at that time of the month when the moon is in the same phase as it was at the time of her own birth.

Vanessa....

Hey Daisy

Tht's really cool. actually I traded a few emails with Nicholas Campion a few months abck about some of my musings about astrology research, he really nice.

I think the thing with astro dot com is to print the chart out and record your own cycle. I think if you take the natural body cycles, the astrology cycle and progress Moon I think you can get a likely time for conception. But I really think it's wise to sort out underlying health complaint if there is any.

It's an amazinly interesting subject.

Lov n hugs

Lis

HI there Tink.
I really used Nicholas Campions book a lot, as it had all the tables in the back to do the Risings...Has he got a site these days?
Yes the graph at astro, is a great idea and as you say you can put all your cycles there with the info. Also at the top right hand corner the distance between the Sun and Moon was marked..
Yes as you say any illness would be of importance..Well at the moment it appears some think that women on the pill are going to have their cycles messed with, which is obvious I think, in regard to conception, it may take a while, but they cant get it out of their heads that once this cycle is messed with, the ovulation date goes out the window..What I think, because it appears they are debating that if the moon rules the Menstral cycles, why do so many women have 21 day cycles 28, 31 and so on..Also the point that women who hang together seem to slip into the same cycles, came up in regard to "apparantly" changing ovulation..Anyway I dont think this has anything to do with ovulation, (the fact that women are different) Just because we arnt in sync with the moon in that respect, cannot discount Astrobiology, as being a constant cycle, that is subject to Periods..As scientists have found woman can conceive during their monthly cycle...
Had to do this in a hurry, ok bye..
Daisy Girl..

Hi Daisy

I think there is anthropologicl resons that women get into the same cycles when they life or hng out together. Something to do with primative man bumping uglies with the valable non menstrting . LOL

I guess if women who don't hang out together are on different cycles the moon acts in slightly different ways on the hormones. Maybe it's to do with LH levels as opposed FSH levels. But that all gets a bit technicl for me, but my thought goes, that each womn has a particular hormoney that reacts to the phases of the moon, which may be a different one depending upon different metabolisims. It's just a thought.

Interesting subject

Lov n hugs

Lis

Hi Tink, yes it is an interesting subject. I would say that if the Moon is "Response and Fluctuation" it makes sense that each woman would be different. Emotions will affect the body chemistry (delay etc) Fluctuation (erratic Periods) or just that all Women will be different. That is how I perceive it. Say a woman with a Moon Trine Pluto, may have a cycle like a clock. Maybe a Moon Square, will be different. I dont know any other Planet to use with the Moon other than Pluto for a Rythmic Cyclic sense, seeing as Pluto is regeneration, Scorpio, birth. Maybe Im not approaching it correctly at all. But Im going to keep with it.

Hi Daisy

I don't know either. Older astrology gives different signs which effects fertility. Some of them are very fertile and some not .

I don't know bout aspect, I have none to my moon and I m like a clock...LOL...tic toc. But I will ask a friend who really isn't and see if we can get her time of birth.

I know if your moon is conjunct Jupiter is bodes well for lots of pregnancies.

Do keep sharign it's a facinating topic.

Lov n hugs

Lis

Hey Daisy,

Amy and I were chatting about the whole astro biology some times ago. She noticed the smallest reference in love signs regarding this topic. It was a reference to something called world breath. This indicates when a child can be born. It's amazingly insightful in terms of rectification.
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm

It's a bit tough going read but truely facinating.

I ran my own birth chart and realised that my birth cretifaicate is actully more accurate than my mum. LOL It was 5 minutes out. I also ran my parent prenatal and time of death transits, which each realted to the moon transits to the prenatal chart.

Really interesting and great for rectification.

Lov n hugs

Lis

HI again Tink..
Yes I remember World Breath being mentioned, it is in the recommended reading section of Love Signs , where Linda talks about Sydney Omarr's book "My World Of Astrology"...Omarr refers to the Sun as The giver of life, and says it tells us where we live. Also that the symbolism of the Sun is that of Purpose co-ordination and rhythm in nature. That our lives, too, have a basic rhythm, and astrology teaches us to find the "rate" of our own rhythm and to go with insted of against it.....

In a book on Natal and Medical Astrology, a chapter on irregular Menstruation... Chapter on Pathogenic effects of the Signs, Moon and Mars......
Afflictions in Scorpio produce irregularities of the menses. As each sign always reacts on the opposite, affliction in Taurus may also produce irregular menses.
Mars in Taurus: by reflex action in Scorpio, excessive menstral flow.
Moon afflicted in Scorpio: tendency to disturbed menses.
Moon afflicted in Taurus: by reflex action in Scorpio, menstral or other trouble with the genitals..
Saturn in Scorpio, Tendency to suppression of the menses.
Mars in Scorpio tendency to excessive menses.
Mars in Taurus: by reflex action in Scorpio, excessive menstral flow.
Sun afflicted in Scorpio, tendency to menstral disturbances
Moon conj. Saturn in a womans horoscope can obstruct the menses.

As for Pluto, co ruler with Mars governs the excretory organs which control the sewage system of the body, as well as municipal sewage systems..

Cayce: Encyclopedia on Healing....
Poor elimination, which produced congestion in the pelvic area, was a cause of painful periods for some women.....

Yesterday in the mail, I received a News Letter from Esoteric Technologies. (Solar Fire)...Announcing new Astrology Software,
"Astro Tides" helps you view details of the Moons Phases, you can choose colorful srips to display info on, times to weed the garden etc. Display the phases of the moon, conjunctions to the nodes, when not to garden. Anyone who likes to meditate by he Solunar cycles will love the Full Moon Meditation strip, it shows exact date and time of the Full Moon, as well as the appropriate time for the Meditation...WOW.. Also The Lunar Phase Return is handy for women who want to discover their fertile time of the month, according to ancient fertility methods...

see you soon....

Hey Daisy

Interesting stuff in the medical book re signs and menstral irregularites. Is it only Scorp and Taurus I wonder. I have a bucket load of scorp, but not mars or moon .

"which control the sewage system of the body, as well as municipal sewage systems.."

I think that is more detail than I needed to know LOL

"Astro Tides" sounds interesting, but the phases of the moon are in most diaries, it may not give signs but the phases are there. It sounds a bit groovier than that though . Asto.com seems to have the fertility thing sorted out.

The world breath seems really interesting in terms of predicting unborn children from conception time. It's amazing at rectification, it clean nocked a few seconds of my birth time . The whole prenatal chart is facinating, I need too look at it more in terms of how it relates to the native life.

I must also run a few tests to see what the interval is for people being born at a specific location. There has to be certain times when people just can't be born becuase of the whole moon asc line up intervals. It's facinating stuff, worthy of my more study than I have given it.

Lov n hugs

Lis

HI Tink, didnt get time yesterday to read the whole of the Prenatal Epoch..It looks like Im gonna need super concentration powers...
Yes Taurus and Scorpio, were the only 2 signs given. Moon with Saturn, was the only aspect without mentioning signs...
Too much info on Pluto hey! municipal sewage systems..Now that makes sense.If I get a chance, I might be able to run some of my own charts, to see if I have grasped it yet..

Later

LOL Pluto be damned....I have never had problems to date with manicipal sweage. LOL I eat enough veggies for that one...LOL

I have been trying tow rok though and epoch example but get lost half way thoguh. LOL Light will come I am sure.

Lov n hugs

Lis

Hey guys, I'm taking a close look at the Prenatal Epoch stuff now (thanks for sending me your notes, Lis) and I can see where there's some confusion the way this is explained, not a trivial subject by a long shot!

Give me a little pondering time, and if I can shed any light on simplifying it, I will.

Love,
Greg

Greg you are such an angel.

And yes not the easiest subject by far, but I suspect that it is possibly one of the most insightful issues. It's got every possibility of really adding a lot of power and accuracy to a rectification.

I think an accurate prenatal could be amazingly helpful.

Greg, I know you are really busy, and this is not an easy one, so please don't feel pushed into this.

Lov n hugs

Lis

He He the Power of Pluto LOL..Well, if Greg is going to help out, that would be great....not a lite topic, I have taken a quick browse...It is one thing I have never looked at doing yet, and a couple of weeks ago when I re read Star signs I noted Linda's comments on rectification. It felt out of my League. Tink you seem to have so much going on in the way of astrology, all the angles you are tackling. I read somewhere the other day on Horary, that is asking the questions isnt it? well it stated that if an astrologer is sent a question via the mail, the astrologer casts a chart from when "they" read the question....In April I had Pluto Trine my Sun, I also remember Pluto to Neptune (conjunction)..1987, the year I read Star Signs . Where shall I give you the Scoop? here or on the Pluto thread? Its the weekend coming up tomorrow, so Ill be off line for a few days..
have fun..

Hi Daisy,

Greg is great to help in any way. The Epoch thing is massively useful to clean up natal times. Even a few seconds can knock an Asc off. There is so much to learn about astrology, which is one of the atractions.

And yes I have been studying Horary. I actually think that it has helped my natal scoping as well. It's a weird little subject but quite startilingly accurate at times. Charts really do refect what is on peoples minds.

I do know that some astrologers take the time the recieve the question but I don't go with that, because there is massive times issues on a global scale. It's important the chart reflects the question itself. The board is GMT, I am BST, and the question is the local time, so hence it can all end up pretty confusing. By using local time for the question you can be 100% sure you get exactly the right moment for the question. I wouldn't nock the other way, but intuitively it doesn't make a lot of sence for me. I know my mentor uses local time rather than understanding time.

You can post your thoughts on Pluto here....LOL. It's so slow to move that I personaly think the native encorporates it into their life better than most...but then I've not had pluto square yet. LOL

I hope you enjoy your weekend.

Lov n hugs

Lis

Hey Daisy.....

Did you ever have a chance to see if you get how this works or not???

Lov

L

HI there Tink
funny you should ask, as I was reading through this yesterday and last night. I wondered if an astrology program was required (easier) or if you just calculate by hand..As I learnt how to get the Rising Sign through using the time and conversion tables etc, I decided it would be an extension of this process, but still am not sure at this stage if I have the means.I have an Ephemeris (Rosicrucion). Seeing all the examples for the Pre Natal Epoch had my head spinning at first.But it has become a bit clearer. After this has been attempted I will know if there are any problems.....
Thanks for asking

Hi Daisy

Isn't that odd that you were rreading it the other day? LOL

Well I have struggleed through the calculations a few times and they still a little unclear in places and which method to use etc, I am still stewing on it a little.

I do ahve a programme that will calculate prenatal charts, but it's not clear if this in fact does the calculation for you, and how significant the whole thing is. I adujusted my birth time by 4 minutes, which infact proved my mum to be more accurate than my birth certificate, which makes 100% sence to me .

I may try to do a bit of further searchign on this. Galen has recommended an article in Modern Astrologer.

Lov n hugs

Lis