Dearest Michael,

Now I am the one drowning, in these oh, so deep waters. I have a million and one questions for you. And I can't even begin to ask you, because I need to take this all in. I do want to thank you so much for sharing this. I don't think I can express to you the depth of my feelings at this moment. Please allow me to come up for air ...

Much Love
essence

Dear Michael,

I fear I'll be getting too personal if I ask you questions, so I won't unless you tell me it's ok. But I do hope you never stop "Expecting a Miracle" because from the amazing things you told me, you've already had a very big one. So how can anything else seem too good to be true? And please don't ever accept anything as "just the way it is"... If you ever feel like going into more detail - I'll be waiting with those one million questions I already mentioned. It is all just so amazing.

May I ask you one question, now, tho? Would you please tell me how you were drawn to Linda Goodman in the first place and was it an instant thing, to fall into it - so to speak, or did that happen later?

Much Love, Magic & Peace Profound
***essence***

Michael, I imagine it's been so quiet on this thread because no one knows quite what to say. That was an amazing story. I would like to hear more; yet, like Essence, I feel how deeply personal and difficult to speak of this is for you, and don't want to crowd you. Just wanted to add my encouragement, though.

Hi Gregory,

Thanks for the encouragment,...I have been away from the computer, so that's the only reason I haven't replied to Essence yet,...wish I had your clarity of expression though,...it would be a great help!...thanks for the 27

Hi Essence,

You are a dear too , please feel free to ask questions about anything at all, it may not be the alloted time for some answers though ...seriously, I am in a bit of a rush now, so I will get back tonight to answer the questions you posed above, glad to know that you are a believer ( in magic! ) much thanks for the encouragment, deep down I am still wishing on a Star* thank you again

Much Love

Michael

Dear Michael,

Till then please HURRY back...

Love
essence

Dear Essence,

Your question of how I was drawn to Linda Goodmans books,..is interesting,...it goes back to my dawning awareness of the unseen realms,..some years back. So it is a good place to start,..at around that time I had cause to re-evalute my priorities and goals,..following a difficult period in my life,which culminated as Saturn aspected my natal Sun in 1990,..this soul searching continued until 1992,..when I came to realise that there must be more important things in life than trying to accumulate wealth. You could say that I had my fill of the "cold ambition of Capricorn".

Now that my mind wasn't so occupied with money ,..I began to wonder what our existence was really all about,..around this time I noticed an advert in some magazine,..about astral projection,and how to achieve it. The concept seemed incredible to me,..but I though what the heck, I will check it out.

The occultist who authored the small pamphlet ,..outlined one particular way to achieve a conscious projection,..which was based on the axiom that "energy follows thought" ..the idea was,..if one could think a conscious thought,..while dreaming... that they were experiencing an astral projection,..then it would occur.

A few nights later,..I thought this to myself (I am experiencing an astral projection). I actually thought that I was awake but I must have been somewhere between worlds,...well the instant the thought was completed a wave of energy swept through my entire body,..from head to toe in a twinkling!,..and then back up just as swiftly to my head again,..ending in a very loud pop in my ears ,..I awoke feeling very disoriented.... (No I didn't have to pinch myself to see if I was awake,..because my ears hurt for several days after!)

At this stage I knew that there was more to life than met the eye,..but I was disturbed also,..that the occult was real,only seeded more questions and the witch/warlock who had written this manual on broomstick travel offered no guidance,...except to elaborate on the advantages in influencing others through suggestion while they slept,.. along with various other dubious practices,..you have to appreciate that I was a complete novice in such matters ,..but with a Scorpio Moon there was never a chance that I was just going to say "leave well enough alone"

I was desperately needing guidance as to the nature of what I had encountered. Was it the work of the devil as the Church taught,..I wasn't a fervent believer in the Catholic faith I must admit,..too many "non sequiters" as Linda would say,..I needed to find out more. I thought perhaps I might find some other books that would throw more light on the subject,..and sure enough...while undertaking a thorough search of all the books at home,..I came across an old hardcover with the title "Strange Conflict",..one look inside the cover and I knew I had found something. With headings like,.."The Great God Pan" it would surely contain something of relevance,..now Strange Conflict was an occult novel written by the well known english author Denis Wheatley,..and here I was first introduced to the age old truth of reincarnation, within it's pages (of course I had heard of it before but not in a meaningful context).Quite a good yarn,..I would recommend it. Set during the second world war,..it focused on astral projection to a large degree.

After reading it I decided to postpone any ventures into the astral realms,..as I still needed something more to discern brass from gold.

Then one fine Summers day in June of 1993,..while browsing in a local bookshop, I happened to pick a paperback off the shelf with the title "Linda Goodmans Star Signs",..my first thought was ,..oh just astrology (I believed astrology began and ended in newspapers zodiac columns back then)after a very brief perusal I thought that it might contain something useful!

From the first page on.......

As you said Essence,..it was an instant thing to fall in,...it all made so much sense,..I just couldn't put it down and I kept thinking "thank God for Linda Goodman"
It took four or five days to read.

The night I finished the chapter on Physical Immortality,...I tried the Image...Ordain...Manifest technique,...it was a Saturday night / Sunday Morning.

I have already outlined the effects of Cell Regeneration,...the feeling of JOY was exhilarating ,..and on the physical level I could run much faster,..jump noticably higher,..the one thing I forgot was to weigh myself!. An experience never to be forgotten. And now you know that it was the Him of Me that experienced it and not my s-elf.

When Saturn aspects it's natal position,..by conjunction square or opposition only, in a persons Horoscope,..then the body temples owner may leave (or stay) it can be difficult to tell....

Does that answer your first question,..Essence? I bet you fell into Linda's books immediately,..as well. As I said before you sound like a Believer,..or maybe you KNOW, if there is anything else you are wondering about,..please ask! I feel it is important everyone should know of the very real Truths Linda revealed,...despite the f-acts. I will elaborate more on the Saturn Seven Cycle next time,..but I must respect the privacy of the other person involved.

I am sure you must have some things you would like to share as well!?

Love

Michael

Dear Michael,

I was glad to see you were here...

Your post's just mesmerize me and I can't stop expressing deep, heartfelt thanks to you for your generosity...

My grandmother had bought SUN SIGNS when it came out (I was about 9) and I would read it all the time and think how special was this pretty lady who wrote this book and what a great writer she was. And of course she made me feel glad to be a Pisces (another of her gifts - that she made everyone feel good). Ten years later, I took my first apartment and LOVE SIGNS was the first hardcover I bought for myself (I still have it, my friend has repaired the spine for me a few times and the dust-jacket is gone, but it is a 'treasure'). When people touch it, they always remark on the good vibe they get (nowadays it's retired, I only loan out the soft-cover). Of all the people I've lent it to, I could never persuade any of them to read the whole book, cover to cover. How sad, as it is "chock full of esoteric confetti" (as Linda would say). In any event, her "Carousel Message to Sally" just touched my heart so deeply I have never, ever forgotten just how much, and so it was there and then that this great Lady left such an indellible impression on me. However, even though I went on to read many metaphysical books over the ensuing years, I inexplicably put Linda's work's on hold. I'm sure you know how one book will lead you to another and so on, I was "led" to the Jane Robert's "Seth Books" - interestingly, when I "discovered" them they were out of print, yet on my mind heavily and soon after, they were back in print. They were fascinating, but they gave me the creeps. Linda popped into my mind and I knew I had to see what she would say. Now what is really wyrrd to me (only b/c I am always in book stores and yet I never knew it existed) - is that I found Star Signs at least 6 years after it's publication. After that I really wasn't interested in any other metaphysical authors (not counting novels). When I finally found Gooberz, well, it was like the Christmas present I'll never forget. I pick it up almost every day. I KNOW that Linda was/is definately a Wayshower!!!

I also tried astral projection (but it was "taught" to me in a different form than you described) and I couldn't believe that my 1st try was so successful and being the scaredy cat that I am, I quit and never tried it again. Though I was tempted once.

I love the way you described the sensation of being "somewhere between the worlds" - it is such a lovely way to put where we really are in between the "wakefulness of sleep and the sleep of wakefulness".

Can you please tell me when "Strange Conflict" was published, I would like to try and find it.

I am incredibly fortunate to "know" one who has mastered cell regeneration and I really wish I could "see" you, why not consider having Gregory post a picture of you?

Lastly, I never thought of the "ambition of Capricorn" as cold...

Much, Much Love & Magic
***essence***

Dear Essence,

I loved reading your post,your writing has such a nice soft feeling to it,..Ruth Cook,..linda's best friend is a Pisces too,..so you are in good company! Thank you for sharing your voyage of discovery too.

I bought Sun Signs myself a short while after reading Star Signs and was disappointed at first that it didn't contain more secrets of the Universe,..you see I had never heard of these books before then,..despite Sun Signs being an international bestseller. Just like the delay you encountered in finding Star Signs,..I almost missed GOOBERZ,..I remember phoning Mandrake Press in England to enquire if GOOBERZ had been published,..the lady I spoke to informed me that,yes it had been available for a few years,..somewhile later I rang back on another matter, a salesperson told me that no such book was listed,...they only had Sun Signs, Love Signs etc...so I guess you could say if the time isn't right Fate has a way of concealing things. Love Signs is a very special book ,...I agree with you there completely. I often turn to it for inspiration when those Saturnine spells descend! In Peter Pan, tinkerbell (I think) says that,..when someone expresses their disbelief in fairies,..one dies,..Linda said it was a similar case with astrology,..relationships die when people don't believe astrology can help them to understand one another better. That for me is the magic of Love Signs understanding one another and discovering why we act as we do!

I would love to hear more about the astral projection,..only if you feel like telling of course! I haven't tried myself for for a good while,..after I read the lobsang Rampa book "You Forever",..I tried on a few occasions,..but never got completely free of the physical,...I had always hated the sensation of falling......... when I would seem to hit the bed with an almighty thud! it always happened on the verge of sleep at times when I was physically exhausted,..I later learned that the astral seperated more swiftly from the physical when one was extremely tired,..the physical would not have relaxed sufficiently for a smooth parting and a twich of an aching muscle was all that was required to jerk back the astral (I hate the sensation) Everyone experiences it from time to time no doubt.

Strange conflict should be available in libraries,..as Wheatley was a bestselling author in his time ,..the copy I have is a "Book Club" hardback printed on wartime paper,it was published in 1942,..the same year as the story takes place (I think the years are right as I am writing from memory,..my copy being on loan. Now I haven't read any of his other occult novels,...one,"The Devil Rides Out" was made into a movie. Strange Conflict is well written in my opinion,..just don't take it too seriously! and if you were thinking of trying to achieve astral projection again, it might put you off,..or maybe not! Try used bookstores,..as his works were reprinted many times,..as I said I can only vouch for Strange Conflict" I forgot to mention last time that I am trying to locate another copy of "The Lion(ess)" Path,..Essence..so if I have any success I will let you know.

Into deeper waters..........

I have just scrolled up to my original post on the Saturn Seven Cycle and reading it,..I realise that it is not very clear (it's a difficult subject to explain but I suffer from some Saturn restriction in the expression department too,..so I will try my best this time.

If someone died that you love deeply,..would you be likely to even consider that a stranger could be one and the same as the one so intensley grieved for,..very unlikely is the answer, I feel,..if one was a student of Linda's possibly,.. but it could be a disturbing experience. This is where one of the greatest obstacles lies,...even Linda who was so sensitive and aware could not accept what the stranger told her on that snowy day in Cripple Creek, Colorado, and had to meet one who had an identical body temple to her dearly departed twin,...she then realised that an identical body temple could not satisfy her yearning to be united once again,..so it is what is inside that really counts.

I put myself into the place of the one who's life had been devestated by the suicide of her only child,...and realised how difficult it would be to even explore the possibility of the Saturn Reincarnational Cycle with her.

So I said nothing,..even though I had several cosmic confirmations of the Truth of the situation,..I made some small errors in my early conclusions,..but eventually all fitted into place,..she was an author,..so when I was struggling to stay afloat,...I tried what many do......I picked up one of her books and opened it at random...........[it was sometime after my son had died].......and again.......[could she be your mother]

There was even one joint revelation where we were both present,..in a hotel in Dublin,..where a medium was bringing messages from the other side.....she had the task of introducing this English Spiritual Medium,....and she had her reading done in private beforehand,....my turn came,..the medium discerned that I had been "all at sea",..so to speak,I wasn't too bad at that stage and thought she was exaggerating (she mixed up past with future)

At one point,she said that she often heard songs......from the other side.....she continued,...."the Robin,..he sings a merry little song",...there was a loud gasp from somewhere behind me in the audience and I knew that it was "she",(there was a small crowd there)

I believe she invited me to go to this spiritualist reading to confirm that my departed relatives would come through just like most of the rest,..and she could rest her mind somewhat at ease that Gooberz was not real,..I didn't get an opportunity to talk with her that night,..but I telephoned a few days later and exchanged small talk,..she said she thought my reading was accurate.

The Robin is obviously a messenger of the Gods,...in the beginning I thought that her sons name must be Robin,..due to the reaction it caused when I first mentioned it,..I was tempted to go to the local newspaper offices and find out his name,..date of death and the circumstances,..but I felt that this would not be right,..so I waited and one day while I was burning a stack of old farming journals,..I noticed a heading on the cover of one paper "suicide in rural Ireland". I thumbed through it quickly and another of these moments of fate was upon me,..the article was about her and her tragic experience,....now I knew the sons name and when he died.

After reading Star Signs I had added an initial to my name to give the compound number of 25 which was one less than it originally vibrated to. I did notice at that time,.....that if I added one letter to the surname and dropped the initial I would have quite a favourable number. I went for the initial instead as I didn't think changing the spelling of my surname would be as easy to manifest.

His name vibrated to 22 + 28 which reduce to the compound 23.......then I realised that with the letter U added to Osborne (both common ways to spell the name,..for instance Joan Osborne,.. the singer.. and the female lead character's name, "Osbourne" in the film "message in a bottle".. with the added U both our names matched,..Michael = 22 Osbourne = 37 which reduces to the compound 23....."his name" 22 + 28 = 23 as well!

So now my name is Michael Osbourne.

I spoke to her twice more after that before we lost contact. I really felt so badly for her,..the grief must be almost unbearable to roll the Saturn stone from the Easter cave,...then things started to look up for her and she achieved great success in her work,..this eased my concern somewhat.

If the Miracle had happened what would the effect be on my own family?.....Linda grew and knew,......I don't know how this story will end,..but it hasn't reached a final conclusion yet,..that I am sure of. You know in a way it is a relief to tell this and maybe it will be of help to someone.

Thanks for being so understanding Essence

Love

Michael

P.S. I asked a man I work with,.. about the Robin,..he told me that his mother would be in a state, if a Robin flew into the home,..."the Robin brings hasty news" he said

WOW!!!

Dearest Michael,

Please don't get upset if I have grossly mis-interpreted your story, but are you saying that you were/are that author's son?

If that is correct, then I feel so sad that you were so distraught before. If that is incorrect, will you please try to tell me again?

I have not yet mastered total understanding of the Saturn-Seven Cylce and since talking to you I feel like I get it even less. I had been posting you a reply and I even quoted something from page 524 of Star Signs, when I went back to your post to verify something and lo and behold, [what I thought you had 'said' about not being able to attain physical immortality until you paid off your karma] was not there, isn't that wyrrd? So I deleted that post and started over.

Anyway, before I knew about physical immortality I don't know what I would have thought. But as a student of Linda's, I really do see death differently (unnecessary and unnatural). And yes I knew exactly what she meant about wanting the Carousel Bill's SAME everything, however, as you recall, once she knew Gooober was really him, it didn't matter. Yet with a child, is it the same consolation? I don't know, I guess in the end it would be.

Part of my confusion with the SSC is, for example - "Michael left without a word and no one knows where he went" (sorry if the quote is not exact) - how does that work? Where does the original tenant go? Doesn't "that" spirit/mind miss everyone who was in their life in the newly given-up body temple?

It is almost 5 am here in Fun City, I really must go now but as usual I look forward to your return.

At this moment, I think you will hear from 'her' again. What will you tell your family? Did you inherit a family when you took over the lease on your present temple? How did that go?

And last but not least, how come a farmer stays up so late?

Slan
essence

Greetings

Dear Michael,

Now that I have bombarded you with questions, you probably will no longer think of my posts, as having such a "nice, soft feel" to them - sorry, I guess my Leo Moon & Capricorn Ascendant were showing b/c it was so late ...

Funny you should mention Ruth Cook. Because I often think of her. Do you recall that Linda not only put a dedication to her in STAR SIGNS & GOOBERZ, but also mentioned her so often in each of them, as well as in LOVE SIGNS? I have even told Crystal that maybe she should look to speak to her, for answers to a lot of things.

Anyway, I am going to post a lexigram I did of the Carousel Bill and maybe you will be interested, especially b/c of your story...

The one time I tried Astral Travel, I did not have any thuds or any other kind of crashing sensations, when I came back into my physical body (which really was right away)...

Much Love
***essence***

Dear Essence,

I am always looking forward to your posts too!

You know what is really wyrrd,..I DID say what you quoted,..but realised shortly after I had posted it,that my definition was wrong,..so thanks for putting me back on the right path!,..I take it you were going to quote what Linda said on page 524,.. about achieving Physical Immortality and paying your karmic debts without the amnesia of reincarnation,..right? whereas I said Physical Immortality couldn't be achieved until all karma was balanced,..you were quite correct in spotting that goof of course,..but as I am sure you are aware there are certain debts that must lead to death eventually,..no matter how adept you are. The Bible says,..God did not create death... and... Death is the wages of sin, these are not exact quotes,..no chapter and verse! I dip into it now and again,..and since reading Linda's books it makes much more sense to me. I can discern more easily the truth in it from the parts where "man has created God in his own image",.. rambling again!

Back to death,..cell regeneration is the beginning of one of the paths leading to enLIGHTENment and Physical Immortality,..which can only be achieved when two Twin S-Elves are joined together again, becoming one perfect snowflake guiding man and woman in Love and Light,...does that sound better!?

The phrase "time and gravity" Lexigrams into,.....TRAGEDY...also...GRAVE

time re-versed is....EMIT,...so to reverse GRAVITY one must emit thought forms which are not liMITEd by the illusion of time.

So lets do our best to avoid the gravity yard.

Yes I am the same Mind and Soul that was her son,..Essence,..I truly believe that (by the way the Lexigrams of "believe" and "miracle" which Linda decoded in Star Signs are my two all time favourites!)

The questions you pose about the Saturn Seven Cycle are very understandable,..and believe me, they have troubled me too,..I may have an idea about some of them,...but there is so much that I am still not aware of. When I first read GOOBERZ,I never for an instant dreamed that I would experience such a thing as the Saturn Seven Cycle,..for one thing,..I didn't think thar I would need to,..being determined to master Cell Regeneration. Of course it manifested a Miracle for linda and Gooober,..but it troubled me that such movement between temples was so ethereal,...how could one judge his/her progress in the game of life,..it seemed you went asleep in one house and woke up in another and never even noticed the difference,..the web of karmic lace must be incredibly intricate for such a thing to occur (I believe it is)

Essence,...your question about Michael leaving troubled me once too,..until I remembered that it is the Higher S-Elf who chooses to go or stay and not the self.

Yes to your other question too,..I have a family whom I care for very much,...so that is my dilemma,...why do I feel so heavy of heart,...there was no recognition on my part,..yet it must be an inner awareness.

You wanted me to post my pic!....aah....but I'm afraid I am pretty computer illiterate,...a jpg file..huh?...so perhaps I could convey an image to you ,...think of Mel Gibson!,...we share a birthday..Jan 6..although I once saw somewhere that he was born on the 4th,..but I think it's the sixth,cos....

MEL GIBSON

453 312375
=12 =21 =33 =6!

Only joking!..the only physical characteristics we share are blue eyes. When I was a nipper ,...we didn't own a television,..so my father would drive myself and a cousin over to my aunts house to watch programs there. Hawaii Five-O and Dustys Trail (ahem..) were my favourites. Steve McGarret was my fave TV character,...do you remember as the camera swooped in towards the top of the building and the dark suited cop swung around ! I used to think that was who I would like to be,..anyway when Jack Lord passed on last year I looked on the internet to see was there anything there about his life,...I remember my National (grade) school teacher saying that he was Irish and had changed his name to Jack Lord,..there were a lots of sites dedicated to him, his original name was very Irish sounding,..can't remember it now, and it was his father who was Irish,..guess what, Jack Lord was a cappy too! although I don't know the date of birth (guess I should be going to the celebrity forum 2 with this!)

So thats how you can image me,..dear essence...although I actually look more like Dusty!

So mite to go, are you a native New Yorker,Essence?... nice to see you can speak "as gaeilge" some Irish roots?

I think I saw on another thread,..that you said you had an affinity with Italy and all things Italian,..thats a bit of a coincidence,..I seem to be drawn to Italy myself lately,...it must be their passion which I admire (Italy being a Leo country)

Did you think I was up late?! I thought 4 am was pretty early myself,..Essence but I can understand how you might be confused,..being in the City that never sleeps,..you were up pretty early/late yourself

Love and Magic!

Michael

Dear Essence'

Crossed Posts!!

I had my answers all ready to send last night and couldn't make a connnection when I tried to submit the post,...see what I said about LEO!,..... if it please's your majesty ..... You've lovely Piscean qualities which I really like,...and as for Cappy..well druid said "birds of a feather flock together"

Love

Michael

Dear Michael,

I guess I was not paying attention to how funny you are!!! Don't you know by now, it wouldn't matter if you did look like Mel Gibson [a girl can dream, eh?] ONLY KIDDING... When I look at a picture of Linda - I just see a "certain, special something" and I noticed this same quality when I once saw a photo of Ralph Bergstresser. So I just was curious to see you b/c I'm sure you must have it too (druid honor). All the men in my family just love Hawaii Five-O and Jack Lord too.

Michael you spelled druid with a capital D, I'm sure it was just a typo...

If you lexigram weird - you get die, however when spelled wyrrd - you get wry, dry (words I happen to associate with humor)...

I was going to quote (from pg.524) the bit about "choosing eternal life in your present flesh body...choosing NOT to die, etc...will negate a great deal of the unpleasant karma of past incarnations." So my take on this, was that by one just KNOWING the truth about physical immortality, they had an instant payoff on (at least some of) their karmic debt.

In reference to "the web of karmic lace" (that is so nice) I agree it seems 'incredibly intricate'. 1st off, not everyone switches temples at their SSC. Somehow, I get the feeling the ones who do,(of course having already chosen this when planning out all details of their present incarnation, w/out any conscious recollection of it at the 'time' when in their original (from 'birth') flesh temple [which they will leave at the SSC], at least, not until after they've switched temples) well, that the ones who do - it is part of their own cosmic mission to change temples. [i.e. the Carousel Bill and even yourself] I do think many others fulfill their destiny w/o switching bodies.

I still have so much to learn in regards to where you said "it seems you went to sleep in one house and woke up in another and never even noticed the difference". I'm sure that is the way it is, at least on one level, but what about the rest? My feeling that there is more to it, is what I would like to learn about.
Is this aspect of it made any clearer in the Lion(ess) Path? I highly doubt it, not only because Linda told us it was 'fathoms deep' but, really, who has ever made anything any clearer than Linda? I am sure whatever aspects of this topic she did not delve deeper into with us, was of course for the usual reason ... The allotted time being intertwined with our S-elves 'remembering' at their own allotted time...

As for me I am determined to become a Lady Master in this flesh body, but I do know to never say never (except with Universal Truth).

Nationality wise, I am very much a hybrid. Yes, I am part Irish & Scottish and I have an affinity for all of Great Britain, but especially for Scotland. But I am also part Italian. Have you ever been to Italy? How about the States?

I took a few Gaelic lessons in the back room of an Irish bar here called "Rocky Sullivans", have you heard of it? But I'm afraid I can only speak 'as Gaeilge' a wee bit. I always wanted to learn and then one fine day I read that Gaelic was the 'language of heaven' and that was it. Even though I do know that English rules, I will be fluent in Gaelic one day, in the scottish dialect also. Probably around the same time I get my castle in Scotland - you will drop by, won't you?

It is always 'buttacrack' to stay up very late. I love to sleep but never seem to go to bed.

You really are very funny...

Much Love - essence

Dear Essence,

Wyrrd is the word! the word druids must be beaming in delight at you now!

All things Bright and Beatiful
All things Wyrrd and Wonderful

Yes some things are wyrrd (magical!) and other things are just plain weird (death)

Wyrrd
61224
= 15 (The Magican)

And here's an interesting thing,

Wyrrdr
612242
= 17 (the Capricorn sense of humour,..wry and dry)

It just gets wyrrdr and wyrrdr!!

I had been doing a bit of tidying up on a few of my posts,you know,.. a ' here and there. SHOCK HORROR!!! I noticed that I had spelled the pOets name with a capital D,...now I am usually very careful about this,..knowing the difference between the two. Thanks for pointing the goof out though, it's nice to know you realise the significance,..although I never really thought otherwise. And now after reading your comments on Cell Regeneration and the Saturn Seven Cycle,..I wonder would you like to post a pic on the forum! you explained everything so clearly,..I think you must have those EYES,..you know?....the ones that can SEE forever,..YES! I thought so!!

"What about the rest?" in reference to the SSC,..here are a few extracts from GOOBERZ,..just to RE-MIND myself as well.

"but of course! all things in existence
are measured by - and manifest through - vibrations
for,vibrations are the throbbing heartbeat
of life itself

although few are aware of it
all odors, scents and fragrances
are the vibrations of.....released vital energy
registered through the sense of smell"

So that would explain how the "not really dead" ones individual body scent is the same in the new body temple that the Spirit,Mind and Soul control

Here is another extract, page 556

"yes,urges it to choose another adult body temple quickly
another painted horse to ride on life's carousel - near to the bereaved
in some way I have not learned - but will
for a time,holding back the truth from the blindly grieved
deep behind the eyes..which are truly the windows of the soul

and if the one crushed with such an unbearable weight
will but look and listen,with the spirits sensitive awareness

and be ready

the proof will soon be seen and heard
sufficient signs will be gradually given..the familiar words
the recognition..the secrets no one else could know or remember
a laugh..a manner of speaking..a walk..a shrug
or a turn of the head just so..

and then - oh then! the heart will know
the re-kindled ember
yes,yes - the heart will know!

One thing I have noticed for the past while is that I do laugh differently,..being actually surprised at times,to hear how different it is from the way I used always laugh before.

Last night I happened to glance down at a book "she" had written, Love Signs was lying on top of it,..and the last two letters of her first name were only visible and the last two letters of her surname,..like this,

NA
ER

Heathcliffe quotes Emerson

"nothing is really dead...
people feign themselves to be dead
...endure mock funerals
and mournful obituaries
while...there they stand!

looking out the windows...of the souls eyes
in some strange,new disguise!

This is actually a reincarnation of my last post,which seems to have disappeared into hyperspace during the mite when the server was down. I explained what I thought the Lion(ess) Path was about,..and then after posting my reply I hopped over to Star Chat and saw where Crystal was very kindly making you a gift of "The manual of the short path" it has manifested at last! LUCKY YOU!!
So maybe it is just as well my akward attempts at explaining it escaped! now I would really like to hear your opinions on the work? is your copy published by House of Horus?

Och aye! I would love to visit when you find a nice Highland Castle,...you take the high road.......and you probably have more gaeilge than I.

Regarding travel,..believe it or not, I have never been past these shores,..though when I do Italy and America are on the cards (I wonder could I hack it in NYC,..being a rather shy ChAP)

Glad you liked the humour! I only take it out on special occasions (thank god,..say others!) wyrrd and wyrrdr are now in my vocabulary for good,thanks for the revelation Essence!

Good Luck with the Lion(ess) Path,..of course we are already on at least one of the three paths already.

Lots of Love

Michael

P.S. I am looking forward to the lexigram of the carousel Bill.

Dear Michael,

Greetings...We lost our last two posts with all the technical trouble (poor Greg). So if memory doesn't fail me entirely (which it has been doing the last few days) I will try to repeat, if not word for word, at least the 'essence' of what I was saying...

1st off - wyrrd & wyrrder - thanks for doing the numerological values - don't ya (who wouldn't) JUST love 15 & 17! In fact 17 has always been my favorite number, I even got married on the 17th b/c of that!!! But I digress...

Now, do you recall asking me to check 'Dweller' for you? After dutifully doing so I started wondering if you could be 'my own Sneaky Guru' - BECAUSE I really did not care for that book [nor 'Spear of Destiny'] -
but in searching for the following reference that you asked me about:

NOTE. - BUT ONE WILL COME AFTER ME WHO SHALL TELL THEE MORE OF THE GREAT DEEP OF LIFE THAN I.
AWAIT HER WORDS. - AUTHOR

which was actually on page 250, so of course I did a lot of skimming and re-reading. And I have to say I 'saw' the book differently. Which of course was for the good towards the KNOWING and Growing things...Because I 'got' more out of it and please don't ask what, yet!
Isn't it funny how you [so generously] mention that "I seem to explain things so clearly" when I feel so UNCLEAR. And even funnier is that if you would have asked me three weeks ago, I would have definately told you that my EYES COULD SEE FOREVER. Now I can only say that yes, they can see forever, but they just don't KNOW it all the time.

Thank you for quoting Gooberz to me, but you see Michael, the biggest part of SSC that gives me so much trouble is WHERE does the one who gives up their body temple (to make it available for the one, newly departed who is coming to take over the lease) GO?

It's back to the drawing board for me...
While I once again study the lessons in Linda's beautiful words -
"... who taught me that Truth must be discovered alone in silence before it can be shared with others through words" -
(from a dedication page in Gooberz).

But regarding 'Dweller' - I'm with you, I DO think he means LINDA!

I hope your being a shy ChAP wouldn't keep you from going where you want to go...

Wasn't that so very kind of Crystal? I am still utterly surprised.

Love - essence

p.s. - "BOOK 'EM DANNO!"

Michael,

Essence's question about the SSC is one I've been asking myS-elf forever! What happens to the Soul who's moved out of the body temple! I sometimes feel my Souls switched at my last SSC. I've changed soooo much and started my spiritual quest shortly after the SSC! My own family told me they don't even know me anymore. The change has been that dramatic. The old me and new me are like day and night!

Then I wonder.... if I did switch at the SSC, where did the other me go? It makes me sad for some reason! I don't like to think about it bcos if I believe that I'm not me anymore... then I am gone and where did I go? ...but I'm not gone bcos I'm here! So it's the other Soul that's gone! But that was me too! I just go in circles! And I don't make any sense to me, so I Know I can't possibly be making sense to you Or have you traveled through this big question mark already?

Can you shed some LIght on this for me Michael? I'm sooooo confused and when I think about it, I feel like the serpent eating its tail! Is that how it's supposed to seem?

LOve and LIght,
PurplePeace

Dearest Michael,

When I lexigrammed the 'Carousel Bill's' full name there were so many words, here is 'the story' I got from them:

BILL WAS IN ARMY AND HATED THE HI-WAY
BILL WAS STILL SHY, SLIM AND REALLY SMART
BILL HAD DREAMY EYES AND LASHES
BILL'S NAME WAS 'EYES'
BILL WAS A TWIN
BILL HAD A DREAM, WAS A DREAMER
HE WANTED TO BE A HEALER
BEST DAY WHEN MARRIED MARY/LINDA
WAS MARY/LINDA A TWIN?
WAS THIS HIDDEN?
BILL WAS A WRITER AND HID HIS ART
BILL WAS BEST WHEN DRY
AT TIMES WAS BEASTLY - AND LIED
HE MADE MARY/LINDA SAD
YET SAW THE NILE WITH MARY/LINDA
WANTED (TO) HEAL THE THREE AND HIM
BILL SAID BYE THREE TIMES
WAS SAD WHEN LAID THREE WREATHS
BILL WAS MARRIED MARY/LINDA - TEN YEARS
BILL READ MAIL - MARY/LINDA
BILL WRITE MAIL - MARY/LINDA
HAD MARY/LINDA AND BILL TWINS?
SALLIE HIDES BEHIND BILL
BILL HIDES IN BREWER
IS BREWER REALLY BILL? YES - STILL? - YES
IS MARY/LINDA REALLY DEAD?
YET - LINDA REALLY STILL HERE
AS SHE NEAR AND DEAR IN ALL HEARTS
MARY/LINDA REALLY WISE...

Isn't it amazing how it all so accurately lexigrammed? And of course, a couple of things were not in Gooberz, but didn't she tell us if something wanted to remain 'hidden' it would not lexigram?
Finally, there is no NO, only YES...

Love - essence

Essence dear,

That was simply beautiful...the truth shall "set" you free !

Michael, here is another of them druids...so many Gurus, Pixies, Angels, Magicians... so many of them and now the druids...

This gets magicaler and magicaler by the "minute"

Wonderful Essene...thanks for helping us "c"

love
druid

PS : Somehow this kinda reminds me of
the magical fairy stories of
that wonderful author - Enid Blyton!

Dear Essence,

You are simply a deLIGHTful druid
casting so much light on William and Linda's Life, just magnify by FIVE what I have said,..you know how staid a cappy can be!
Virgo insists on some clarifications though, so I will chat with you later, till then

Hi PurplePeace,

I know only TOO WELL,..what you mean! round and round!!.....I will be back later Peace to give my take on the comings and goings, however there is a lot I am not aware of yet, the SSC is not something one would really wish for is it? (without conscious recall) Fate does seem to work in mysterious ways, so there must be Rhyme and Reason to the seasons of it all,....we just have to lEARN what it is, to bring understanding near.

Love and learning

Michael

p.s. druid in Dubai, I loved the Famous Five books,..never found the fairies though!

Dear Purple,

"the body is the Temple of the soul..."

"it is like unto a house
a Body Temple is like a house
in which someone lives, but..."

"... and may the soul, then
move in and out of the house
... this Temple called the body...
- only at birth and death?"

"there is a possibility that the soul may move from one Temple into another...into the Temple of a sister or a brother...[and somehow knew that I did not mean kin by brother and sister]"

"...every seven years or so
sometimes by choice, sometimes not by choice..."

[when]
"the vibratory influences of the planet Saturn...when aspecting by conjunction square or opposition only its own position at birth

but the Body Temple has not changed
at the time of these Saturn-to-Saturn aspects
and I don't see how..."

"the Body Temple has not changed?"

"well, yes - I suppose it has changed
there is, so to speak, a new body - or a new Temple approximately every seven years, because..."

"at that approximate interval of Time
as measured here, on this planet - in this Solar System approximately every seven years
throughout an Earthling's life span
this new body - this new Temple is accomplished by..."

"accomplished through the body's
own regenerative process... through the constant regeneration of cells
such as one's hair and nails - and skin and blood and tissues...and...the cells of all body organs create a new Body Temple approximately every seven years
but not always a superior body, because[...]"

"the new Temple is created by...and
the body cells are regenerated through...
the food one eats - through food and thought
both together
yes, food and thought
this is how the body cells are regenerated
to form the new Temple - every approximate seven years"

"and what type of soul may or may not enter the Temple or the body
at these seven year Saturn periods of transformation
SYCHRONIZED to Saturn's movements?"

"the type of soul
moving into a Temple or a body at this time
depends upon...the condition of the Temple
it depends upon the condition of the Body Temple through food and thought
partaken of during each approximate seven year period of cell regeneration...
depending upon the care given the body
through food and thought...since what you eat creates what you think
and what you think creates what you are
then either a lower or higher evolved soul may enter
a lower or higher...spiritually evolved soul...although this does not mean..."
"....that is, sometimes - not always, but sometimes a high soul may enter an ill body
for a higher karmic purpose...sometimes, not always"

"a soul - from where?"

"a soul from the same level of awareness
from this existence - from a Body Temple
which has also reached the seven year Saturn cycle and wants to change or trade...
or a soul from...some other level of awareness
such as...from another galaxy
or a recently deceased Earth-bound soul
if pulled back into a Body Temple by the grief of the bereaved, or..."
"or...any other soul entering the body during the Saturn indicated seven year cycle"

"it stores all the memories
of the activities of a Body Temple
in its present existence
the memories of the body's words and actions
dictated throughout the Life span of the body by the various souls which have resided in it during a particular Temple's beingness on Earth
the brain...records and retains these memories somehow like unto a present day computer
and it also acts as a generator, the brain...a generator for...."
"...in addition to storing the memories or the 'growing' things of the body's actions
dictated by the souls which have resided in it during its Life span
in addition, the brain is a generator - or a transformer?
which transfers - how I do not know
but which impresses upon the mind
fragments which are...which are deja vu memories...
...the lesser 'knowing'-things"

..."not the ones of which we cannot speak
but still, 'knowing'-things" you added"

"yes! the 'knowing' things of which we may speak when the brain, acting as generator
helps us to recall them
these fragmented memories
brought by the soul from other Temples or bodies are stored in the subconscious of each Body Temple chosen when the new soul moves in
to be later generated by the brain, through the Mind into a conscious awareness...during meditation or whenever...that is, I believe that during..."

"so THAT'S why I remember the 'growing'-things
all the people, places and events of my past!" ....

[from pages 490 and on in Gooberz]

Since we are discussing the Saturn-Seven-Cycle I thought it might be helpful to have some of Linda's 'actual text' right here on this thread...

Would it have been an SSC (for Linda) during the 'time' that she 'crossed over'?

Love - essence

Actually it wouldn't be a Saturn Seven Cycle time, if she was indeed born on April 9, 1925. Of course, as much as Linda delighted in confusing the issue about her real age, I wouldn't be inclined to bank on that date, even if we had birth certificate in hand! Her passing would have been timed to a Saturn opposition if she were born in '21, and a square if she were born in '28.

This brings up an interesting question, though ... let's say someone changes body temples once, then years later does it again. The question is, would the second change be timed by the SSC of the body temple she was first born into, or the one she later occupied? A related question. of course, is whose birth chart is mapped by the birthtime/place of the body temple (since that stays with the body, no matter how many "occupants" it may have)? The original dweller? Or the new inhabitant? Or both, in some way? That, to me, is the real crux of understanding the SSC phenomenon. I suppose that's really just a different way of stating PurplePeace's confusion: who are we really, if the dweller in the temple changes?

I think the phrase you and Michael used several posts back captures it when trying to think clearly about these things -- deep waters!

Dear purplePeace,

It would be both the Mind and split Soul that leave the body temple at the Saturn Seven Cycle,as to where they go,well according to GOOBERZ, either the temple of a newborn infant, to a different dimension or universe, or to another adult Body Temple where the Mind and Soul are leaving to go somewhere else too.

Maybe we should think of the SSC in relation to the more common concept of reincarnation. A mind and Soul connect to and control the Body Temple of a newborn infant which is born under the astrological influences necessary to fulfil the karma of that Spirits Mind and Soul,..the human progresses through life and is presented with a certain set of circumstances,and progress is made depending on the responses, new karma can be created as well,..the body eventually dies and that person is no more,..that name and personality are gone. A new life,..a new birthchart,(a new personality) with no recall of what has gone before (due to crossing the stix)

Now translate that to the SSC,..moving from one Temple to another results in,..a new birthchart,..a new name,..and a new personality(programmed into the brain of that Temple at the instant of the first breath) so the person seems reasonably the same as before the change to friends and family ,..this of course begs the question as to how the personality patterns could emerge (with help) from the previous Body Temple,..well the mind travelled from the old house to the new and can recall if conditions are right.

The SSC would have to be timed from whatever Body Temple the Mind and Soul currently resides in, although leaving needen't be a SSC aspect,death can occur at other times than this obviously,..just the moving in to the new temple would be so timed (the host temple would be under such an aspect) in between the Mind and Soul could be discarnate.

Gregory, I think that whoever is in a particular Body Temple at whatever point in time is under the astrological influences that are playing on that Temple, from Birth to (maybe) death,..being a very experienced astrologer yourself do you think that similar astrological aspects in similar charts (I know they wouldn't be identical and perhaps renders my query invalid) can manifest in different ways?...lets say someone buys a house and there is a leaking pipe,..well the new owner has to face that problem as well,I suppose only the Gods know how intricate karma is.

I have a Sagittarian fourth House in my chart,.."her" Sun Sign is Sagittarius...so how would that have related to the previous tenant? well my aunt is a Saggitarian too and in my childhood I was like her own child.

PurplePeace, what we need is conscious recall, if you changed Temples there must have been a reason, I can only suggest picking up GOOBERZ regularly and watch out for any clues,...I was sent some signs...

If you have returned to meet someone,..then this will happen, of that there is no doubt,..its what you do after that counts.

I do know how you feel PurplePeace, I have worked it out in part in my Mind and Soul the rest I am content to leave in the Laps of the Gods for now.

Essence, sorry I won't get to chat this time but I'll be back soon,...the SSC raises very interesting questions about Sallys disappearence too,..which I would like to mention next time,..do you know anything about this?

Love ~ Michael

Thanks... Essence, Greg and Michael,

I've thought about my SSC only briefly on occassion, as I said it made me sad for some wyrrd reason! Rather than try to understand it, I suppose I've just tried to ignore it! Your posts got me thinking about it again. I don't Know if it was the cirucumstances in my life that changed me or if I really did switch Temples. I am definitely different. Perhaps it was my enlightenment that caused the change. All I know is it all happened around my SCC which is what made me start wondering in the first place.

I am honestly like night and day with my old S-elf! When the nearest dearest person in my life started telling me every single day... "I don't even know who you are anymore", I started to REALLY think about the SSC!!! If this is in fact what happened to me, I either have some amount of recall or this Soul is a STRONG one, because this ME is taking over and it hasn't been a subtle change at all. It's like being literallly in the dark and then someone turned on the bright LIghts!

I do read Gooberz quite frequently. It is my favorite of all Linda's books. But I haven't seen any signs as of yet. Then again that is most likely because I wasn't looking. I've tried to avoid this subject so I didn't have to deal with it! Yes..... I'm a coward Just a little scared of those "deep waters" I think for some reason it is time for me to figure it all out..... and that's what I shall do!

Thank you all for helping me understand this a little better. I'll keep you posted on what I un-cover Thanks for the wake-up call. I Know I needed it

LOve and LIght,
PurplePeace

Dear Essence,

Once again may I just say how much I liked your Lexigram of "the Carousel Bill",it was inspired!..there is one bit that troubles me though and I feel does not fit,.....the thirteenth line...

I hope you wont mind me mentioning this,..Essence..because I really admire your talent with the words. In GOOBERZ,..Linda writes,....page 352

an ugly,ugly buried thing
...deeply buried memory
the only,..only un-marvelous moment we ever knew
except for the three grassy...graves
and the time of...her
the cool,sure one

the only really nightmare time of hate and fear
..except for those..
we ever knew,in all our shining beauty days
it was..in our last drowning year"

That extract related to an incident,..when Bill was speeding in their car and she hit her tooth against the door and broke it. I can't believe he ever beat her.

Thanks for looking up "dweller" Essence,..I found the first half of that book a bit flat and boring,..but the second part was quite interesting,...relating to matters such as,..reincarnation,..astral planes,..karma and twin-souls. The first half laid the foundation. One of the books Linda recommends is "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ" I think it is very enlightening,..have you read it? How are you getting on with the Lion(ess) Path?..I would love to hear.

Seeing as we are discussing the Saturn Seven Cycle here,..perhaps I might mention something that I have been thinking about for a while,...the mystery of Sallys disappearence. If we consider that Linda was aware of the SSC when Sally "died" in 1973,..then why did she believe so firmly that her daughter was still alive,..having already experienced the Miracle of the return of the carousel Bill,...so she would have been aware that Sally could return even if "dead" (Linda's grief was almost unbearable) but she still maintained that she was alive,..citing astrological "proof",..could this have been the "transits that permit death" as discussed with Heathcliffe in GOOBERZ p 927.
Linda may or may not have been aware of this knowledge back then,..GOOBERZ was written over so many years,..and I know it raises questions as to how such astral permission could be in the charts of hundreds at the one time,..in a war scenario or a disaster of any kind, that is for the astrologers to decide I suppose.

Then in Love Signs,..Linda sends a "carousel message" to Sally,...which makes one wonder about a Saturn Seven Cycle return. Whatever the answer,.. it was all so sad.

When I first started in Post-Primary school,..the first class,..the teacher told us that "an atom is the smallest particle of matter there is" then added "that's not actually true,..but it is all you need to know for this year....now repeat,an atom is the smallest particle of matter"
It is similar with the lessons we learn in the spiritual school I feel,..first, the knowledge of the cycle of return,..then the wheels within wheels of the Saturn Seven Cycle and then unbroken consciousness. If we pass the exams!

I am sure you will find the Truth PurplePeace,..after all that is the Sagittarian byword isn't it.

I look forward to hearing from you again Essence,please do check in before you embark on the Lion Path,..if you enter the 4th Dimension goodness knows when you will be back!!

"of what use is this proven law of synchronicity
to me..right now? of what practical use to me
the Harmonics of the Universe?

supposedly,when something impresses itself upon the mind
with enough intensity to be considered a part of beingness itself
not minor worries..petty problems
nor trifles of fretting
but something of serious and real concern

the solution to that problem is there for us to learn...
the answer to that question lies
in the Universal Mind...infallibly there to be plucked from the air
embedded into the ethers,requiring that one looks
and listens..for it
for,at the same time the question arises
to its greatest pitch of anxiety in the human heart
since all is inter-related

when something is seriously wrong
and one honestly seeks guidance in the matter

it may be found..threaded through the ribbons
of the lyric of a song
buried in the reporting of the five o'clock News
to arise unexpectedly at the turning of a dial

perhaps hiding, within a chance remark
heard while one is moving through the rushing people traffic
walking along..or crossing..a street

Let those who have eyes -- see
let those who have ears -- hear

if one opens the eyes, to truly see
and opens the ears,to truly hear
the messages coming through
will be startlingly clear"

To finish, from GOOBERZ again, p949 on

"then the Easter story is really true!
not nearly,but really true!

Easter is total Truth -- although Jesus of Nazareth
being a Master,trained by the Essenes
chose to illustrate the Truth of human resurrection
through translation...rather than demonstrating it
through the current Earth pattern of resurrection
of the Saturn-Seven-Cycle...
by retaining his same Body Temple..and re-ordering it
in the manner of Ascension,which magic
all Earthlings will someday once more themselves remember
when they become again as children
and their newly awakened Third Eyes
allow them to recall this lost pOwer...and even more

yes,all this will be..when men and women once again
become Gods and Goddesses of Innocent Faith
for..it has been so ordained

and..until this wisdom is once more possesed
by all Earthlings
the Truth of the Saturn-Seven re-birth
will be the beginning of their ability to believe,as before
in a literal ressurection
for,when they begin to see the actual Truth in this
and are able to recognize
the departed ones for whom they so tearfully grieve
as literally and actually returned to them

and when the departed themselves bring back the memories
of the former Body Temple identity
and are thus able to prove that they,indeed,have returned
as their very selves
then the lost has truly been found

then it will swiftly follow..that the Light
will begin to dawn upon the Minds of all Earthlings
after which..more miracles lie ahead
than even the greatest visionary could possibly imagine"

Amen Awomen

Love ~ Michael

GREETINGS

Dear PurplePeace,

Could it be you didn't switch temples at your SSC and perhaps just had a metamorphosis?

On page 330 of Gooberz, Linda tell us:

"and these periodic, seven year, cyclic Saturn conjunctions
squares...or oppositions
all symbolize the time for varying kinds of contemplation
a need for guidance from the planets,
and their wisdom
for, these periods in the life are for the testing of the soul

so the ancient texts do say

a time for one to pray for Light -
to re-assess one's true goal
and purpose for being...the need for seeing the truth
and for discerning wrong from right"

Tell me true, don't you think you could have just been going thru changes, on the journey of finding the real -you of you?

Love essence