Hello, every One! I am absolutely fascinated with Chaldean numerology (as referenced to in Star Signs). I am a 19 by birth and a 23 by name. I am just curious if there are any other Princes of Heaven (or Princeses of Heaven) out there. If so, I would like to hear from you. Peace!

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"Anger causes us to relinquish our power to another." Rebecca Clark

Hello Deathnomore! I am a Princess of Heaven!:-) Heeheehee. My birthnumber is also a nineteen, and my name adds to a thirteen. I also enjoy numerology... it's very interesting. I hadn't really thought much about what insights it could hold until I bought Linda's Star Signs book. I'm so glad my Higher SElf picked that one up!;-)

What Sun Sign were you again Deathnomore? I was born July 19... a looney Cancerian moonmaiden.:-) Uh oh. I forgot there's a full moon tomorrow! Heh heh. Oh those poor people I work with...hahaha. Tell me a bit more about your views on numerology sometime!

Much Love,
Princess Celeste ;-)

Celeste6, hello! My sun sign is Capricorn (with a Caricorn moon and a Virgo ascendant). I was born on a January 19th many moons ago! Numerology is so very important, because the Uni-verse speaks to us with numbers. All we have to do is listen (or in this case "look"). Thirteen is not bad for a name, either. What kind of snowflake miracles are you going to manifest with that unique combination? Do you know your Chinese sign? I'm a Snake. Peace.

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"Anger causes us to relinquish our power to another." Rebecca Clark

Hello again Deathnomore! Just how many moons ago were you born?:-) I am eighteen going on nineteen this next July. Woohoo! One more year, and I will no longer be a teenager. I was born July 19, 1981 at just past noon. So I am a Cancer sun, Aquarius moon, and Libra ascendant. It makes for quite an interesting personality, let me tell you! And I believe I would be a rooster... right? I think I remember reading a small bit about Chinese signs... but don't know much about them yet. Do you know anything interesting about them, or what a rooster's personality is like?:-) I would love to know if you do! Talk to you again later!:-)

Much Love,
Celeste6

Hi Deathnomore and Celeste6,

I'm a 19 name number and a 24 birth number, much like you Deathnomore.

Blessings to you both,
Annie

Celeste6, I never reveal my age; you might say it's against my religion. hehehe People usually guess my age to be around 20 (or 22 in my Master's classes at college), but I have gotten ID'd when buying lottery tickets a few times (you have to be 18 to play). Anywho, you are a Rooster. You are very flamboyant, and appearances are very important to you. Roosters are seldom happy with how they look and are constantly improving their appearance. Inside, Roosters are very sensitive and vulnerable people. They are moved by both flattery and criticism. Roosters are very intelligent and love to read, but they would rather be judged on their looks rather than their intelligence. Roosters experience all the joys AND sorrows that Life has to offer. They are brutally frank and very honest; many of them will not even tell white lies. Roosters do not experience a lot of good fortune, so they work hard for success, which can be in any field they choose. They DO NOT like subordinate positions, but they also do not like undue stress. They make good department managers, but seldom will they choose to be supervisors. They are highly compatible with the Ox and Snake. They should stay away from the Rabbit and other Roosters. In fact (and I am not trying to be presumptuous--you can check it out yourself), the most ideal couple in Chinese astrology is the Rooster/Snake combination. These two creatures intuitively understand one another. The Chinese say that the Rooster and Snake balance each other like mind and matter! Roosters are intense in their relationships, but they tend to be domineering. Preoccupied with their own needs, they are not the most sympathetic of signs. Roosters are bold and confident lovers. They are very adept at seduction. But they are also very egocentric, and their needs must come first. Roosters stun and impress the object of their eye with their flamboyance. Then, they make themselves indispensible to that person and totally satisfy their target physically. Unfortunately, Roosters are not faithful by nature and find it hard to resist temptation. Still, they have no trouble finding and keeping admirers. Partners must have something truly exceptional about them to keep the Rooster interested. They are often afflicted with respiratory problems. Their favorite pastimes are reading and socializing. You are a Double Metal Rooster--you guys/gals are the most headstrong of all the Roosters--double trouble, if you will! Cancer Roosters are ruled by their emotions. They are more easily swayed by both flattery and criticism than are the typical Rooster. Sound like you?

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"The most important thing you can change is your state of mind. When you do that, everything else follows suit." Rebecca Clark

Annie, I'm a 19 birth number and a 23 name number, but I won't hold a 19 name number against you!

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"The most important thing you can change is your state of mind. When you do that, everything else follows suit." Rebecca Clark

Annie, what's your sun, ascendant, moon, and Chinese signs? Just curious!

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"The most important thing you can change is your state of mind. When you do that, everything else follows suit." Rebecca Clark

Deathnomore.

I'm a Pisces, with Libra moon and ascendant.
I don't remember my chinese astrology sypbol.

Annie

Pisces is a wonderful sign! But how does Libra affect your personality with a fish sun? Seems like a little bit of a conflict. Peace.

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"I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught." Winston Churchill

yes, I would say conflict has been a theme in my life, but probably thats true for most. I notice the constant weighing of things more and more and the strain it produces, but thats just the Libra part.

I never realized how challenged I am, having a grand cross and all, until I started learning about astrology!! haha One day at a time, doding the best I can has pretty much been my motto for years now.

Peace,
Annie

hey Deathnomore,
would mind telling me my chinese sign?
my birhtday is 5/27/78
thanks!
crystllyne

Hey Crystllyne! Your chinese sign is a Horse. In China, the Horse symbolizes freedom. Horses have good images. They have a zest for Life that their friends take as bravery and independence, but deep down they are really not quite so independent. Horses rely on others for support and encouragement, which is required for their health and well being. On the surface, Horses are absolutely fearless, self-confident, and self-assured. Underneath, Horses are weak and fragile creatures. Horses are easily scared and often let themselvs get carried away by their emotions. Horses are fire signs. Fire is dynamic and exciting, and this is further enhanced by the Horses' Yang nature. Fire makes the Horse both dynamic AND temperamental. Being Yang fire, Horses have great strength when they need it. Still, people born under this sign are too easily affected by the opinions of others. Criticism or hostility easily shatters their vulnerable egos. A good example of a Horse is in the newly-released movie, Whatever it Takes. Most Horses are not as conceited as the girl in that picture, but she was easily affected by criticism, although she put on a facade of indifference. Great movie, by the way! Horses will only have access to their full strengths when they can balance their need for approval with faith in themselves. The female Horses are good persuaders and debaters (if they believe in the topic), need their own space, crave flattery and attention, enjoy dramatic scenes, appear elegant and well-groomed, do not like authority, and are usually late. Horses decorate their homes with things of sentimental value and not materialistic value. They are not good at housework, and their homes are clean but untidy. Horses prefer spending time at others' houses, but they appreciate their homes more when they are away for long periods of "time." Nevertheless, a good home environment is important for all Horses to bolster their fragile self-confidence. The Horse sign is harmonious with your Gemini and other air placements. Horses need jobs with variety. They are fast-talking and fast-thinking, but they are not good with long-term planning or organization. Horses are very imaginitive, are skilled communicators, and and are very good at brainstorming. They can come up with many ideas, but don't expect them to carry out any of those ideas! Horses hate routine and are unable to pay attention to details. Horses are very inconstant creatures. Horses are most compatible with Tigers, Goats, and Dogs. They should avoid Rats, Rabbits, and Monkeys. Horse rules the heart, so all horses should take care of their heart and lower intestines. You are an Earth Horse! Earth balances your fire and air placements. It grounds you and makes you much more dependable than typical Horses. Earth brings stability to you and makes you less flighty. It also makes you more able to pay attention to details (when necessary) and makes you more able to see a project to its end. These Horses are more cautious and responsible, but they are less fun. Earth Horses display minor eccentricities. Gemini Horses are even more enthusiastic, rebellious, and sociable than other Horses. Gemini and Horse is a very smooth comingling of signs and their traits. Hope you liked this. Bye!

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"I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught." Winston Churchill

Deathnomore
thankyou for that...i am blown away. i didn't realize chinese astrology was as 'right on' as western astrology. everything you wrote sounds like me! LOL
thanks again
crystllyne

Crystllyne, Eastern astrology also has something similar to ascendants. It is based upon the hour of One's birth. This is called the "inner companion of life." Each two-hour slot is assigned an animal. This is crucial for understanding a person's true nature, but it is especially useful in determining compatibility. For example, I am sure every One would agree that you and I get along well with each other. Snakes and Horses DO NOT get along. How can this be? Well, my inner companion is a Dog, and Dogs and Horses are VERY compatible! The inner companion overrides any problems with the main sign as it relates to compatiblity. But it doesn't overrule the positive aspects of the main sign. Peace to all.

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"I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught." Winston Churchill

Hmmm, thats interesting.
does eastern astrology go based on the planets and asign certain characteristics to planet as in western astrology?
and, have you found one kind to be more accurate than the other?
~curious
crystllyne

No, Eastern astrology doesn't rely upon the placements of the planets. The Chinese only knew of five planets which govern the five elements (unlike Western astrology that only has four elements). Western astrology is more detailed in many respects; however, Eastern astrology is far more accurate as far as personality, character analysis, and compatibility is concerned. Western astrology can't withstand scientific scrutiny as it relates to personality profiles (they fail every time). That is not to say that Western astrology isn't true--just that the character analyses are based on enough vagueness that causes them to fail scientific testing. By the way, what is the hour of your birth? Let me k-now, and I will tell you your inner companion.

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"I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught." Winston Churchill

Hi Deathnomore,
Can you figure out my chinese sign? And where are you getting these definitions from? Are they from a book or something? Do you ever tell ppl your real age?
Neha

Hi Deathnomore,
Can you figure out my chinese sign? And where
are you getting these definitions from? Are
they from a book or something? Do you ever
tell ppl your real age?
Neha
PS- My bday is June 22, 1984

my birth time is 3:20 pm.
by the way, what is the fifth element according to eastern philosophy?
love,
crystllyne

Hi, Neha! Your Chinese sign is the Rat. I have several books that were my Teachers in Eastern astrology, as well as my experience with how the particular signs interact and manifest. Tell any One my age!?! NO WAY! But people can guess all day! Just take a number, though! You Rats are so entertaining!

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"I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught." Winston Churchill

Crystllyne, your inner companion is the Monkey. The Chinese system is based upon the Lunar year, while the Western system is based upon the Solar year, so the Chinese sign dinner "placemats" in Chinese restaurants can be wrong (the new year begins at different times each year, so the full year does not govern just one sign). Just giving you a few interesting facts to ponder! Legend has it that Buddha invited all animals to visit him, but only twelve animals showed up. To reward those twelve, he gave every animal a year. The years were allocated in the order in which the animals showed up. The five elements are: Water (ruled by Mercury), Metal (ruled by Venus), Fire (ruled by Mars), Wood (ruled by Jupiter), and Earth (ruled by Saturn). (No Air in Eastern astrology! Sorry!) Each Element can manifest itself in any combination of several positive and negative aspects. Each year is ruled by a different Element (as well as a sign), so we go through sixty different cycles. Each animal also has its own natural Element. Interpretations can get rather complicated! Also, according to Chinese philosophy, the entire Uni-verse is ruled by two primal forces--Yin and Yang. As one increases, the other decreases, and vise versa. Each of the five Elements has a positive and a negative side. Which of these are expressed in people depends on whether their animal sign is Yin or Yang. For example, the Rat is a Yang Water animal, so for Rats, the qualities of the Element water are expressed positively. Pigs, on the other hand, are Yin Water animals, so the qualities of the Element Water express themselves negatively in Pig people. This controls everything from emotional disposition to health to physical attributes! And, of course, you then have to add the Yin/Yang, Element, and animal of the current year to the analysis! Whew! Chinese astrology is much more than just the year of One's birth! That would be like saying that Western astrology is just One's sun sign! This year is the year of the Dragon. It is a great year of Luck, prosperity, and abundance. Markets are volatile, and many fortunes will be made (or lost) this year. Millionaires are being made every day in the commodity markets due to this volitility (gasoline prices, for instance). Next year is the year of the Snake (my sign). I have been looking forward to the year 2001, because this is when my busineses will prosper beyond my highest expectations (since I am a snake). Eastern astrologers acknowledge Western astrology and comingle it, but Western astrologers usually fail to give any validation to Eastern astrology! Hope this wasn't too confusing! Peace.

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"I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught." Winston Churchill

Just to clarify a couple of comments, Deathnomore, when you say that Eastern Astrology doesn't rely on the sign placement of the planets, you mean Chinese astrology, right? Because Vedic astrology is often called "Eastern" astrology and, while it also differs from traditional Western astrology, it certainly does utilize the sign placements.

Also, as a Western astrologer, I feel impelled to ask what you mean when you say that the character profiles given by Western astrology cannot pass "scientific" testing. In my experience, character profiling is precisely what Western astrology excels at ... surely one of the reasons most people were attracted to Linda's work to begin with was the amazingly accurate character analyses in her books, wouldn't you say?

Now it may well be that the accuracy of these analyses can't be "scientifically" tested (depending on what you mean by "scientific" in the context of personality assessment, which is always subjective at best) ... but if that's so, then certainly Chinese or any other astrology would fail the same "scientific" tests. Or am I missing something?

Greg

BTW, I've used and studied Yin/Yang and Five Element theory for a lifetime, so I'm certainly not pooh-poohing Chinese astrology by any means. I just don't think the value of Western astrology needs to be undercut in order to value the Chinese approach.

Hi, Gregory! Major faux pas on my part--I did mean Chinese astrology when I spoke of the Eastern system. I know little about Vedic astrology. To my knowledge, Chinese astrology has never been tested in a scientific experiment, but you are correct--it is likely that it would fail those tests. Crystllyne asked me which was more effective in my opinion, so I gave that opinion. I am by no means putting astrology down! Numerous studies have been done to see if any astrologer can match chart data with random participants, and none have done better than chance. Other studies have involved such things as giving the personality profile of a mass murderer to a group of participants who were amazed at the results and who (almost) all thought it described them perfectly! Humans are highly suggestible. I am a firm believer in both forms of astrology, but I also like to keep abreast of the scientific community. The same thing goes for astral travel, telekinesis, and ESP--none of which can withstand scientific scrutiny; in a laboratory environment "psychics" seem unable to perform. This could have a lot to do with the environment. Most psi phenomena are accidental and occur at random intervals usually based upon some type of emergency situation that grants added emotion to the event. This is not easy to generate in a manufactered and artificial environment (laboratory). There is a million dollar reward to any psychic who can pass a simple scientific test to prove such abilities. Not a single psychic has come forward to claim the prize. Once again, I am a believer, not a skeptic, but I do like to keep up with the latest findings. Past magicians (such as Uri Geller) who have fooled researchers with simple parlor tricks have done much to taint the names of those in the paranormal fields who are genuine in their beliefs and practices. There was one study where the astrological charts correctly predicted occupation at a much higher percentage than chance, but it was swept under the rug by the scientific community and never replicated! I would very much like to see a really good astrologer pass scientific scrutiny and lend some credence and respect to astrology, and I'm sure it will happen one day. Linda could have done so. And I am sure Sydney Omarr could as well. But to this date, it hasn't happened. Skeptical Inquirer is a really good journal for people who are interested in what science believes about a number of issues. It is also good for showing what the "official" scientific position is on ADD, Anorexia, and Dyslexia (not just what the psychiatrists claim). I believe that some things are too fleeting to lend themselves to strict scientific testing, but that doesn't mean those things do not exist. That is why they are called paranormal. But other things SHOULD be testable in a scientific fashion if these things are NOT paranormal (like disorders). Science just adds another dimension to Spirit. I did not mean to sound as if I intended to put down Western astrology, because that was not my intent. Chinese astrology has never failed those strict tests (as Western astrology has), but I did not mean to imply that it would not. Still, in my humble opinion, I find Chinese astrology to be more reliable as it relates to compatibilities between persons. Just personal preference, I guess. And being an Immortal--well, science just has no clue about such a topic. Like Linda said, they should be studying Progeria, but there just isn't any money in researching the eight or so cases that pop up each year. So, by no means am I in total support of science (the same science that is based on the germ theory of dis-ease and virus ghost-chasing). But science has its place. (It just doesn't k-now its place! HA!) Peace.

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"I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught." Winston Churchill